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mich...@preece.net  
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 More options Dec 12 2006, 6:58 pm
From: mich...@preece.net
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 23:58:52 -0800
Local: Tues, Dec 12 2006 6:58 pm
Subject: The u2ug mailing list
...has been down for a week but is now back up.

I do wish people could see the light. If any of the die-hard
mailing-list devotees have strayed over here, I would really like to
know what that list has to offer that this google group doesn't - other
than people/members. This google group - which is up pretty damn near
24/7/365 - can be used via browser and/or email, has excellent search
capabilities, is here, waiting, ready to be handed over to the u2ug org
people to manage. Help me here. What am I missing?

Mike.


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cds  
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 More options Dec 13 2006, 4:29 am
From: "cds" <charles.steven...@getronics.com>
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 09:29:58 -0800
Local: Wed, Dec 13 2006 4:29 am
Subject: Re: The u2ug mailing list
Mike,

Here's what I posted on cdp.  it is on-topic with your frustrations
here.
I share your frustration and respect your efforts.  I'm just taking a
little different path, myself.
Feel free to contact me privately.

Respectfully,
Chuck
charles.steven...@getronics.com

              -----------------------------------
on cdp:

Symeon wrote:
> Mike Preece wrote:
> > I get CDP whenever I want. I use
> > http://groups.google.com/group/comp.databases.pick

> yup the Google interface is good - it is what i use,  and a group for
> the u2ug rather than a mailing list would be so much better - in my
> opinion ...

1. To be fair, Mike Preece already started one, a Google group called
"u2users".  Same name as email list, but completely independent.
Speaking only for myself, while I like Google's user interface, I don't
see the point of 2 forums.  There's much more traffic on u2-users email
list than the Google group  ( *cough* when up *cough* - actually this
is the only outage like this that I am aware of.  To be fair.)  If we
were starting from scratch, I'd vote for Mike's solution, but we're
not, so my loyalties remain with the email list.
Having ONE common place is paramount.

2. U2UG is smack dab in the middle of making some major back- &
frontend changes to the lists, the web-site, and the various U2UG
forums.  It's a shame this outage occurred so soon before the mechanism
causing it is to be changed.

3. The user interface (email &/or browser  (notice the "&") ) must be -
and will be - separated out from the underlying function of managing
posts to threads and ongoing on-topic conversation.  Google allows
both.  Hey, we're a bunch of database geeks.  We understand separating
data from interface(s).  Nothing new here!
The idea is ONE repository, ONE backend  & remain flexible about
different user interfaces.  Presently, web-browsing & email are the two
popular ones.

4. Currently, U2UG has custodial care of the u2 lists, which Clif
Oliver started and then maintained for so many years.
Anyone can subscribe, even if not a U2UG member.  (www.u2ug.org, "Email
Lists" on left menu)

The user interface is currently email (with browser-based search of
archives).
   U2-users     - on-topic.  mostly tech, some marketing
   U2-community - water cooler chat among friends
   SBsolutions  - System Builder
   RBsolution   - RedBack

There are other U2UG forums, & they are currently web-based, with email
notification if desired.  Again, expect changes.

5. Please feel free to email me personally if you have strong opinions
or wishes.  I'm on the board for another year.  Or post here.  Or to
u2-users list.

6. If you really care, u2ug elections are coming up.  Nominations (&
volunteering) for the board are open until Jan 10. Email b...@u2ug.org.

I will keep you appraised of upcoming improvements.

Chuck Stevenson
U2UG Board


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Colin  
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 More options Dec 21 2006, 11:21 am
From: "Colin" <al...@zdnetmail.com>
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 16:21:00 -0800
Subject: Re: The u2ug mailing list
Mike;

I'm guessing it has a lot to do with momentum - it's been an e-mail
list for a long time and most seem to like it that way.

Plus, the SBSolutions group moved to the e-mail list because of major
problems with it's Yahoo group.

Of course, don't forget about control. Knowing where the server is and
who is running it gives some people a "warm-fuzzy" feeling.

Good luck
Colin Alfke
Calgary Canada


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