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Good transits for dangerous situations

raymu...@tpg.com.au (Ray Murphy) — Thu, 17 Sep 2009 21:53:22 UT

Hi All,

I've finally begun working with multiple factors for transits to see
what types of events occurred more often under certain transits in the
data being used - (mostly timed and un-timed chart and event data from
Astrodatabank).

So far, I've looked at 120 categories of events with 8 aspects chosen

Five databases

raymu...@tpg.com.au (Ray Murphy) — Tue, 15 Sep 2009 18:45:11 UT

Hi All,

Many of us often discuss what sort of things happen under various
transits or how various natal factors manifested in people's lives,
but usually we're working with a minimal amount of data, or if we
~can~ find lots of data in Astrodatabank etc, it's often difficult or
impossible to process it within a reasonable amount of time to get

Re: Fw: JS2 problems

ondastropic...@yahoo.co.uk (Graham Douglas) — Sun, 30 Aug 2009 10:12:35 UT

Hi Ray,
             Absolutely, I wonder what most of them use it for.
               Keep up the good work,
                Graham.

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I was just thinking how unbelievable it is - 15 years of displaying

Re: Fw: JS2 problems

raymu...@tpg.com.au (Ray Murphy) — Sun, 30 Aug 2009 04:52:10 UT

I was just thinking how unbelievable it is - 15 years of displaying
tables
in a research program that allegedly display:
* Proportion of total
* Percentage of total
* Proportion of average
* Percentage of average
for
* Birth hours
* Birth years
* Birth latitudes
* Birth longitudes

and all we have ever seen displayed for 15 years is 6292 zeros

Re: Fw: JS2 problems

ondastropic...@yahoo.co.uk (Graham Douglas) — Sun, 30 Aug 2009 00:27:00 UT

Hi Ray,
             Sorry don't get the joke here, can you explain about Ripley's ?
                         Cheers,
                             Graham.

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Re: Fw: JS2 problems

raymu...@tpg.com.au (Ray Murphy) — Sat, 29 Aug 2009 22:44:16 UT

RM: Yes, but think of the publicity for the program if it gets shown
on "Ripley's Believe it or not" - you know, a summary you're having
when you are not having a summary of birth data :-))

Ray

Re: Fw: JS2 problems

ondastropic...@yahoo.co.uk (Graham Douglas) — Sat, 29 Aug 2009 18:42:28 UT

Hi Ray,
Here is a link that you might like to try, which Roy Gillett has sent me:

Firstly, the easy answer. There is a Jigsaw user's
Forum provided by Astrolabe at
[link]
It is moderated by Madalyn Hollis-dineen who is the

Re: Fw: JS2 problems

raymu...@tpg.com.au (Ray Murphy) — Sat, 29 Aug 2009 15:41:06 UT

On Aug 29, 11:47 pm, Graham Douglas <ondastropic...@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:

Hi Graham,
It sounds like it could be a ram problem - not that I really
understand ram on PC's like I do on Macs - where you can dedicate ram
to any given program. My 300MHz m/c has 192MB and the 1000 MHz m/c has
248 MB and I just noticed on the Esoteric Technologies site that

Re: Fw: JS2 problems

ondastropic...@yahoo.co.uk (Graham Douglas) — Sat, 29 Aug 2009 14:47:52 UT

Hi Ray,
Thanks a lot for doing that. I've tried it on about 5 different machines over the last few years always with the same result and with every version current at the time.
I'm sure you are right about the size of the market, but if it was the program I still thought they should have fixed it by now. When I first bought it I fortunately ran a test with some known data and found two different problems that gave the wroing results and they did a patch pretty quickly. If I hadn't done this I'd have gone a long way down the wrong track with my work. I also felt that they should have been a bit apologetic and appreciated that I'd done a bit of free testing for them.

Re: Fw: JS2 problems

raymu...@tpg.com.au (Ray Murphy) — Sat, 29 Aug 2009 11:52:09 UT

[....]

RM: It sounds like the problem has been your PC's because I just tried
it with that Military file on my 300Mhz and 1000 Mhz machines with
identical setups of Jigsaw and found everything worked as it should.
I must add that there are a couple minor differences in the way the
two PC's handle Jigsaw at times, but I forget what they are now, but I

Fw: JS2 problems

ondastropic...@yahoo.co.uk (Graham Douglas) — Sat, 29 Aug 2009 10:06:40 UT

Hi,
       Here is the decription of another annoying bug that I have been getting for a long time, in case anyone wants to try with their version. Please let me know what happens.
              By the way, who are you supposed to contact in Oz for JS support ?
            Over here its Roy Gillett who is always willing but some things need referring to the programmers.

Re: venus/merc in the 12th

raymu...@tpg.com.au (Ray Murphy) — Fri, 28 Aug 2009 17:02:56 UT

RM: Hey, you have to believe it. For now as far as astrological
research is concerned here, it's like the song in that great movie "An
affair to remember" -- "Close your eyes, make a wish and you're
there" (or in the ballpark anyway).

I found while writing various research software and utilities that

Re: Anyone there using Jigsaw found this bug ?

raymu...@tpg.com.au (Ray Murphy) — Fri, 28 Aug 2009 16:22:46 UT

Yes, my version of Jigsaw (2.0.15) shows zero for that total as well,
and I agree that we should get together to complain and offer
suggestions. This group would be a good place to discuss and collate
all known problems in Jigsaw or in any other software that is related
to astrological research. At one time I started a Yahoo group for

Re: venus/merc in the 12th

blazingstar1...@yahoo.com (JohnTWB) — Fri, 28 Aug 2009 13:26:18 UT

Hi Linda,

I use SolarFire v5.1

For the Solomon's temple foundation, I just punch-in '30 Dec 0967 BC', and out it pops.

Also, I've since noted that into the future, two Grand-Shekinah cycles (1440 yrs x 2) after the 0967 BC foundation stone ceremony, brings time to the year 1913, when the U.S. Federal Reserve Act was passed, just after that's year's winter solstice. The Shekinah conjunction partiled during the second week of January 1914; see 06:40 LMT Jerusalem on January 13, 1914: VE = 15-Cp-02 & ME = 14-Cp-34, then compare it with the 0967 BC when @ 8:15 a.m. = VE 14-Cp-56 & ME 15-Cp-05.

Re: venus/merc in the 12th

sleepswith2c...@yahoo.com (l martin) — Fri, 28 Aug 2009 11:49:21 UT

thank you both for the information
its very fascinating... cant believe you took the time to research your database for me
very kind..
john.. ive been reading The keys of Hiram... so your book will be
quite an interesting ... companion
what program do you use to cast a pre CE chart?
im having problems with my program at the moment?

Anyone there using Jigsaw found this bug ?

ondastropic...@yahoo.co.uk (Graham Douglas) — Fri, 28 Aug 2009 11:09:42 UT

Hi Ray,
           I know you use JS so I wonder if you could see if yours does this ?
            Just open any file and go to Tabulate and Graph, then select Natal details at the bottom followed by Time(Local).
             When I display the result as a table the Total entry is always zero even though the others are not.

Re: venus/merc in the 12th

blazingstar1...@yahoo.com (JohnTWB) — Fri, 28 Aug 2009 05:37:28 UT

Hi Ray, Hi Linda,

John here:

See Christopher Knight & Alan Butler, SOLOMON'S POWER BROKERS (London, Watkins, 2007) for an extended discussion of the Shekinah phenomenon, as well as the date and details of the founding of Solomon's Temple, the first temple. However, with due respect to Knight’s excellent book, please note: archeologists have long searched for evidentiary remains of the First Temple, but to no avail. So it would appear that this First may be no more than a Temple of the mind, retrospectively established for mythopoeic purposes of tradition building.

Re: venus/merc in the 12th

raymu...@tpg.com.au (Ray Murphy) — Thu, 27 Aug 2009 21:38:20 UT

[Update]

I've just had a look at the 37,951 timed data in 100 categories --
Mer con Ven with orbs of 1, 2, and 3 degs, with Mer also in 12th and
can see that there is too little data to arrive at any meaningful
conclusions. In the case of the 2 deg orb, only about 3 people per
1000 can have that aspect in the 12th house.

Re: venus/merc in the 12th

raymu...@tpg.com.au (Ray Murphy) — Thu, 27 Aug 2009 20:11:00 UT

RM: At the moment I cannot recall what I have looked at with Ven-Mer,
so I'll have a look now. I'm using 2 databases - one with timed data
and the other with un-timed. Each set of data has some different
categories - 100 and 140 are in each one respectively.

For anyone who is not familiar with the possible angular separations

Re: venus/merc in the 12th

sleepswith2c...@yahoo.com (l martin) — Thu, 27 Aug 2009 19:44:14 UT

Ray... odd question here
ive been reading some old masonic stuff and they
in their early history, used venus and mercury conj(shekinah) in the 12 (heliacally rising)

as very significant, have you come across anything like that in your research? i dont have the orb of the conj i assume its pretty tight.

Pop singers and URA in Gauquelin Sector 1

raymu...@tpg.com.au (Ray Murphy) — Thu, 27 Aug 2009 19:28:53 UT

Hi All,

I just noticed while processing the Astrodatabank data for 608 Pop
singers that they have always been far more inclined to have Uranus in
Gauquelin Sector 1 than the average - around 50% more often than
expected. For those who are unfamiliar with the Gauquelin Sectors,
Sector 1 roughly equates with the 12th house.

Re: Mar-Sat aspects for 3646 scientists

raymu...@tpg.com.au (Ray Murphy) — Tue, 25 Aug 2009 17:27:37 UT

[...]

RM: That could be hard to ascertain for minor surveys like these, but
here's something that tends to support my contention that birth
inducement makes no difference to the way peoples' charts work:
It's something I've just spotted in the 2174 astrologers data where
they have consistently had Moon in Sector 10 at 20% above the average

Re: Mar-Sat aspects for 3646 scientists

ondastropic...@yahoo.co.uk (Graham Douglas) — Mon, 24 Aug 2009 21:26:38 UT

Hi Ray,
           Aha thanks, for the info about capture.
            Regarding TV hosts etc, of course it would be good to know who was born without any medical intervention.
                 Cheers,
                    Graham.

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Re: Mar-Sat aspects for 3646 scientists

ondastropic...@yahoo.co.uk (Graham Douglas) — Mon, 24 Aug 2009 21:24:00 UT

Hi Ray,
Good sounds encouraging.
Graham.

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[....]

[Extra]

Hi Graham,
Your question about the accuracy of the charts for Comedians and TV

Re: Mar-Sat aspects for 3646 scientists

raymu...@tpg.com.au (Ray Murphy) — Mon, 24 Aug 2009 00:07:14 UT

[....]

[Extra]

Hi Graham,
Your question about the accuracy of the charts for Comedians and TV
hosts led me to check on some other categories. The result was very
interesting because I saw that the categories of Composers and
Instrumentalists both scored low for Mars in Gauquelin Sector 1 at

Re: Mar-Sat aspects for 3646 scientists

raymu...@tpg.com.au (Ray Murphy) — Sun, 23 Aug 2009 21:56:23 UT

RM: Yes, the data accuracy needs to be questioned, but the trend is
strong enough to make it worth following up. I'm inclined to believe
that most of it is fairly accurate, particularly because those two
categories of Comedian and TV Host came out so close together as very
high percentages amongst 100+ categories. The category of

Re: Mar-Sat aspects for 3646 scientists

ondastropic...@yahoo.co.uk (Graham Douglas) — Sun, 23 Aug 2009 21:30:47 UT

Hi Ray,
This is quite impressive though I'd like to know how accurate the data was.
By the way, how do you manage to add those comments to the Jigsaw graphs ?
Graham.

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Re: Mar-Sat aspects for 3646 scientists

raymu...@tpg.com.au (Ray Murphy) — Sun, 23 Aug 2009 19:23:10 UT

I've been thinking the same thing because the Comedians and TV
personalities in Astrodatabank scored much higher than the Gauquelin
sportsmen for Sector 1 but had nothing happening in Sector 4.

I've just made a polar graph in Jigsaw after combining the Comedians
and TV personalities and removing the duplicates - giving 547 cases.

Re: Mar-Sat aspects for 3646 scientists

raymu...@tpg.com.au (Ray Murphy) — Sun, 23 Aug 2009 11:59:30 UT

I've noticed that these trends (where something appears to be working)
come and go quite frequently with random data - and after much
experimentation with computer simulation, found that the frequency is
very close to what we would expect it to be.

For example, I found an apparent Mars-Saturn connection for

Re: Mar-Sat aspects for 3646 scientists

ondastropic...@yahoo.co.uk (Graham Douglas) — Sun, 23 Aug 2009 10:13:59 UT

Hi Ray,
Thanks for these figures...... or it could mean that the effect comes and goes which would be very interesting. I am already thinking that the two big key sectors may have separate trains of causation.
Graham.

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Re: Mar-Sat aspects for 3646 scientists

raymu...@tpg.com.au (Ray Murphy) — Sat, 22 Aug 2009 20:45:08 UT

[...]

[Extra]

After writing the above message I decided to have a look at another
random Gauquelin sector to see if a trend was not consistent and chose
to look first at Saturn in Sectors 1 or 4. I haven't looked at Sector
1 but Sector 4 (as a peak) didn't exist for the first 45 years and the

Re: Mar-Sat aspects for 3646 scientists

raymu...@tpg.com.au (Ray Murphy) — Sat, 22 Aug 2009 19:44:58 UT

RM: It was MO in 7th (PI was the other discussion for scientists).
The unusual thing about this is that stats don't matter much because
the strong trend would have been visible in the early data about 80
years ago if anyone had looked, and it has remained well above the
average ever since (in the available data).

Re: Mar-Sat aspects for 3646 scientists

ondastropic...@yahoo.co.uk (Graham Douglas) — Sat, 22 Aug 2009 11:23:33 UT

Hi Ray,
BTW I am interested in the aspect data or perhaps its phases, especially in relation to the earth. Have a look at ER-MA in heliocentric coords for Sports after breaking the data into subsets according to the MA placing in GQ sectors (geocentric of course).
I think pre-natal conjunctions or other aspects might be involved in outbursts of solar activity which could influence the foetus during the last 3 months of pregnancy.

Re: Mar-Sat aspects for 3646 scientists

ondastropic...@yahoo.co.uk (Graham Douglas) — Sat, 22 Aug 2009 11:16:29 UT

Hi Ray,
I guess what you are saying is that since nearly all the Chi2 score comes from just one point that point is very significant ? I'm not a statistician, but I imagine what they would say is:
either 1) you can predict PI as the most frequent sign for MO in which case you have indeed got something impressive , doing a Chi2 with just Df = 1 and only the one-tailed version which divides the p value by 2 again,

Mystical and Mystical experiences

raymu...@tpg.com.au (Ray Murphy) — Sat, 22 Aug 2009 10:35:16 UT

Hi All,

After mentioning the Pisces theme in Gauquelin scientists data where
SUN
or MOO or MER or VEN were prominent, I had a look at 56,000 data in
139
categories to see who else had it, and found that the Astrodatabank
categories of "Mystical experience" came 1st and "Mystical came 3rd
out of

Re: Mar-Sat aspects for 3646 scientists

raymu...@tpg.com.au (Ray Murphy) — Sat, 22 Aug 2009 10:27:34 UT

[....]

RM: There are several ways to approach this problem, but let's start
here:
Take this graph for the ADB category of "Long Life" where Moon in 7th
house Placidus is extremely prominent and also the best graph I've
ever come across in about 1,000,000 I've looked at in astrological
research.

Re: Mar-Sat aspects for 3646 scientists

ondastropic...@yahoo.co.uk (Graham Douglas) — Sat, 22 Aug 2009 09:49:20 UT

Hi Ray,
             Yes, I just looked at it with 12 when I did the Chi2 because I've been in the habit of using 12.
               Can you say a bit more about why Chi2 doesn't work I don't follow.
                           Graham.

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Re: Mar-Sat aspects for 3646 scientists

raymu...@tpg.com.au (Ray Murphy) — Sat, 22 Aug 2009 06:52:20 UT

Hi Graham,
It was a big error. I've looked further and found the same trend in
random data and it is even more prominent in data for every 2 days for
the 124 years.

The reason for me overlooking such an obvious thing is because I've
been doing a huge amount of work for months with up to 140 categories

Re: Mar-Sat aspects for 3646 scientists

ondastropic...@yahoo.co.uk (Graham Douglas) — Fri, 21 Aug 2009 22:20:09 UT

Hi Ray,
Yes it's interesting, but remember that MA especially tends to appear more often in some signs than others. I looked at it also in heliocentric coords and of course the angle changes from 90/270 to 60/240 but the significance also drops greatly with a Chi-sq of 17.5 with Df = 11. But its still interesting.

Re: Mar-Sat aspects for 3646 scientists

x...@sympatico.ca (Axel) — Fri, 21 Aug 2009 14:22:48 UT

Ray, I like the consistency approach because it puts things in
historical perpective. Even an INconsistent result, provided it is
consistent within several contiguous time periods, can be useful; e.g.
one can look for other factors which caused the change.

Mar-Sat aspects for 3646 scientists

raymu...@tpg.com.au (Ray Murphy) — Fri, 21 Aug 2009 13:07:29 UT

Hi All,

If we look at the 3646 Gauquelin data for the scientists who were born
during the 124 year period of the dataset from 1794 to 1918 it is easy
to see that people *consistently* gravitated towards becoming
scientists at 25% above the average rate if they had MAR sqr SAT <
11.25 degs and consistently avoided becoming scientists if they had

Re: Moon in Pisces for scientists

raymu...@tpg.com.au (Ray Murphy) — Fri, 21 Aug 2009 12:37:04 UT

RM: Well since I posted the above message a few hours ago I've found
that the Sun, Mer and Ven in Pisces have done pretty much the same
thing all along as well, but to a slightly lesser extent.

If MO or SU or ME or VE in Pisces are combined for a search in that
data, then 27.2% of those scientists had it, compared with the average

Re: Moon in Pisces for scientists

sleepswith2c...@yahoo.com (l martin) — Fri, 21 Aug 2009 11:44:32 UT

cool being moon in pisces... i get it...
my best skill being research...

keep up the good work.
Linda/texas

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Hi All,

The Gauquelin data for the 3646 scientists who were born over a 124
year period from 1794 to 1918 shows that people were always more

Moon in Pisces for scientists

raymu...@tpg.com.au (Ray Murphy) — Fri, 21 Aug 2009 08:25:05 UT

Hi All,

The Gauquelin data for the 3646 scientists who were born over a 124
year period from 1794 to 1918 shows that people were always more
likely to become scientists if they had Moon in Pisces than in any
other moon sign.

Let's put it this way - if some alert astrologer had noticed the trend

Re: Mars Effect for TV personalities

raymu...@tpg.com.au (Ray Murphy) — Mon, 15 Jun 2009 17:27:52 UT

RM: Yes, the graphs are a bit bare compared to the ones I've made
previously.
The blue line in the upper graph is always the accumulating score of
the
factor being studied.
The magenta line is always the accumulating average on the "non-
factor".

The reason for using the average of the non-factor is to make it easy

Re: Mars Effect for TV personalities

ondastropic...@yahoo.co.uk (Graham Douglas) — Mon, 15 Jun 2009 16:28:52 UT

Hi Ray,
Thanks for the graphs but I can't see what is being plotted on the vertical scales in the 2 graphs.
As to the effect disappearing after 79 years, this may be just the oscillation before the data settles down as you suggested. You could try entering the data in reverse date order and see if the dip is still at the same date.

Re: Mars Effect for TV personalities

raymu...@tpg.com.au (Ray Murphy) — Sun, 14 Jun 2009 21:57:22 UT

RM: I was aware he could help with most things, but I've always had it
it mind not to contact him until after I'd found something compelling
and replicated it at least once at better than 0.001

Here is a progressive graph I made for the Gauquelin Sportsmens' data
for Mars in Sectors 1 and 4, when compared with the "non-Sector 1 and

Re: Mars Effect for TV personalities

ondastropic...@yahoo.co.uk (Graham Douglas) — Sun, 14 Jun 2009 20:20:48 UT

Hi Ray,
            I think Geoffrey Dean can answer your question about statistics and trends, have you got his email address ?
               Best wishes,
                   Graham.

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Re: Mars Effect for TV personalities

raymu...@tpg.com.au (Ray Murphy) — Sun, 14 Jun 2009 18:27:07 UT

RM: Here's an example of the type of graphs I've been making to see if
reliable-looking trends exist in data.

This pair of graphs shows (with 2174 ADB data for a few centuries)
that SUN in AQU people have been consistently gravitating towards
tropical astrology more than the non-AQU average. It is currently

Re: Mars Effect for TV personalities

ondastropic...@yahoo.co.uk (Graham Douglas) — Sun, 14 Jun 2009 17:03:38 UT

Hi Ray,
I think you're on to something importrant here, likewise you might look at how it varies with geographic latitude. I think it'd be worth looking at this date effect in more detail, especially in relation to the various activity cycles of the sun.
Best wishes,