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rgrozdanic  
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 More options Aug 30 2006, 12:43 pm
From: rgrozdanic <rgrozda...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 12:43:04 +1000
Local: Wed, Aug 30 2006 12:43 pm
Subject: the art of the dumb question 2

ok peter allen - i've got a new topic for an "art of the dumb question"
podcast

i've just looked at a number of articles on "microformats" aimed at newbies
but still don't get what they're talking about.

can you have a go at a non-geeky podcast on microformats in a way that
passes "the bus stop test"? (ie something anyone at a bus stop would
understand)

ta nicely.. :-)

r


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 More options Aug 30 2006, 1:57 pm
From: "peter allen" <pgp...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 13:27:07 +0930
Local: Wed, Aug 30 2006 1:57 pm
Subject: Re: :: TALO :: the art of the dumb question 2

sorry,  that one's out of my range of expertise - i cant add a thing beyond
what i found in wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microformats

I think shaggy would be the evil genius we need to call onto for this
one.... shaggy?

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From: "Susan F. Heywood" <sheyw...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 07:17:43 -0700
Local: Thurs, Aug 31 2006 12:17 am
Subject: Re: :: TALO :: Re: the art of the dumb question 2

Thanks for the provacative "dumb question." Two nights ago I stayed up
playing with Webmaster Tools and last night writing about them.  Just an
example of the power of microformats. :^)
Anyway, because your question sparked my interest as content for my classes,
I wrote a somewhat lengthy explanation.  I see Microformats as a way to
provide a guide to the information on the Web without filtering it through a
single point of editing. I read this back to my non-techie husband and he
helped me see the big picture benefit of this--Microformats as a way to
share information .  Hope you don't mind if I recycle this response to my
classes, lenses and blog.  I already created a Squidoo lens that uses the
content below (there are a few modules left to complete.

Any comments are appreciated.

Best regards,

Susan

Microformats and their Importance
by Susan F. Heywood
www.DirectMarketingMBA.com

Summary

Microformats are an evolution in Web programming languages that use special
tags in Web pages to help computers identify information they contain.  This
enables systems to use the tags to display the most relevant information,
identify common relationships, and link to additional relevant information.
Microformats speed Web use and enable aggregating, sharing and display of
Web content.  Python, Ajax, Ruby on Rails and SOAP are some of the
technologies associated with using Microformats to create content pages.

Before Microformats Web 1.0

Think about searching the Web for data.  When we type in apple, for
instance, we might find information about the fruit, the computer company,
the record label, people with the last name Apple and a multitude of other
results.  We then have to decide what information is relevant to our needs.
The first thing Microformats can do is define the nature of the information
they contain.  They are a way to use code in the Web pages to tell
searchers' systems about the content on the page so that the search returns
the most likely results.

Let's assume we want to learn about Apple the computer company.  We might
find financial data on the company, reviews of products, products for sale,
blog posts, videos and other information.  Microformats enable pages to be
classified and for systems to read the classifications and display the
results we want, again, reducing our need to look at each likely page to
decide what we are likely to want to see.

As you can imagine, when each Web page used different formatting
instructions it was be very difficult to share information (think
1994. )With standardized ways to define the type of information in Web
pages, we can use our preferred definitions to specify content that we want
to see and save our preferences on sites that use the Microformat

Microformats - Stylesheets for the whole Web

Microformats are a way to organize the code in a Web page to identify chunks
of data by the type of data that they are, similar to what we do when we
change a row or column in a spreadsheet to a certain format. A tag is a
small piece of code on a Web page that replaces many lines of code with
other tags or formatting instructions containing more detailed information.

Microformats help other computers read the information on the page more
easily, by creating a standard definition similar to a style sheet for the
Web. Like a template, the code tags tell Web users what type of data is
included between the tags. Once this is known, the receiving computer knows
where to store the information and how to display it.

As the Web has evolved, programming languages have evolved that have defined
standard ways to categorize, store and display pages and to display the
information they contain. Over time, Microformats are developing as the
standards condense the formatting into smaller and smaller chunks, which are
generally defined, and also to define "chunks of chunks" or modules so that
information can be easily shared with users of many types of systems through
a variety of browsers.

Micoformats - The basis of Web 2.0

Because Microformats contain all of the information needed to display the
information on the page, the module can be used on other sites and shared
easily with others, without users needing to be on the page or site where
the data "lives," and without loading the entire page that contains it.

Users can decide what information we want to see displayed regularly as it
is updated, both from sites we specify and from sites we discover based on
our preferences.  We can aggregate the content using sites like Google's
personalized pages, MySpace, intranets, classrooms and other community
sites.  In this application, Microformats form the basis of the social media
applications included in Web 2.0

The Main Reasons Microformats are Important:

*  They speed the display of pages because the receiving computers store the
basic information about the types of data they expect to receive and how it
should be treated. Using Web pages is more efficient and faster.

* Sharing and use of information among computers of different types and of
Web sites is possible. Google Adwords are an example of this.

* Sharing information on the Web by inserting modules of from different
sites onto one page, to import it into other applications, and to share it
with others, while maintaining the integrity of the original source.  Google
personalized pages and Google AdWords are examples of this.

* Querying and discovering other research and others who are searching helps
drive collaboration.  An emerging trend in this area is the use of social
media and networking sites.

* Search Engine Optimization has the tendency to create bad behaviors lthat
limit the relevance of search to users.  Microformats help ensure that
content is what we expect it to be as searchers.

            ###
Susan F. Heywood
www.DirectMarketingMBA.com
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rgrozdanic  
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 More options Aug 31 2006, 9:02 am
From: rgrozdanic <rgrozda...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 09:02:18 +1000
Local: Thurs, Aug 31 2006 9:02 am
Subject: Re: :: TALO :: Re: the art of the dumb question 2

Fabulous, Susan - that's really really helpful and I have a much more
concrete sense of what they are.

In terms of feedback, the only suggestion I would make is to come back at
the end (before the "main reasons microformats are important" section) with
a paragraph that follows through the "apple" scenario you started in
paragraph 3 and broadly shows how the rest of what you said applies to a
real case. (And even then, that's not really necessary 'cos you've already
used examples throughout, such as Google's personalised pages etc but I
always like a story that walks you through how someone does something).

Thanks again - what a lovely surprise to meet you like this!  Welcome to
TALO.  :-)

r

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