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(1 user)  More options Aug 14 2006, 1:09 pm
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From: "_ G O D _" <DEMI...@TELUS.NET>
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 03:09:04 GMT
Local: Mon, Aug 14 2006 1:09 pm
Subject: Pigs shooting should be probed

by Kerry Diotte

http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Columnists/Diotte_Kerry/2006/08/13/17...

Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
There isn't a hell of a lot of public sympathy for Kirk Steele - and I don't have
much for him myself.
He's the guy who nearly died after being shot six times by an Edmonton Police Service
(EPS) dog handler. Steele has a long rap sheet and was unlawfully at large from a
halfway house when the drama unfolded July 27.
While armed with a knife, he scrambled out of a house at 99 Street and 69 Avenue,
with city police in hot pursuit.
Const. Bruce Edwards released a police dog named Wizzard to take down Steele.
During the attempted takedown, Steele stabbed the dog several times and was then shot
six times by Edwards.
Steele was in critical condition, but - like the police pooch - survived the attack.
An EPS statement following the shooting said Steele was shot due to the "level of
aggression" he was showing.
Many people, including letter writers to the Sun, conclude Steele deserved to be
shot, especially since he disobeyed police orders to halt, then stabbed an EPS dog.
He'd been on statutory release after being sentenced to seven years for crimes,
including robbery and assault.
The EPS is doing an internal probe into the shooting.
Regardless of Steele's record or actions, this is a case that screams out to be
investigated by an outside police agency.
Freshman Chief Mike Boyd owes it to Steele, to the officers involved, to the citizens
of Edmonton and to everyone on the EPS to call in outside investigators.
Under legislation, Boyd has the power to halt the current probe and ask the Edmonton
Police Commission or the province's solicitor general to hand it off to an outside
agency such as the RCMP.
As the old adage goes, justice must not only be done, but must be seen to be done. A
handoff to the RCMP would allay any suspicions that the probe is biased or not
thorough.
Those kinds of accusations have been made repeatedly about previous EPS internal
investigations.
Given that Boyd is trying to rebuild public trust in the EPS by emphasizing community
policing, this is a prime opportunity.
Boyd has some familiarity with independent agencies handling complaints about police.
His own wife was with the Special Investigations Unit in Ontario, an independent body
that probes allegations of police misconduct.
This probe will deal with the big question: Was there justification to try to kill
Steele by pumping six shots into him?
Canada's Criminal Code essentially says deadly force can only be used if the persons
who uses it have reasonable grounds to believe their lives or someone else's life is
threatened or could be subject to "grievous bodily harm."
The EPS policies and procedures manual echoes that.
Was someone's life in imminent danger when Steele was shot? That's the key question
to be answered.
Under the circumstances, I think it's one best answered by a full-scale RCMP
investigation. Currently, that force is only overseeing the EPS probe and it's
unclear what powers it has.
Steele's lawyer, Tom Engel, has launched an official complaint against police.
"Shooting at a guy running away with a knife is excessive force," said Engel.
He worries the internal probe won't be as thorough as a full-scale investigation by
an outside police force.
He said an outside force would "rigorously" interview witnesses and parties to the
shooting separately. Engel said some EPS internal probes have simply asked witnesses
and those accused of misconduct to fill out written statements. That creates an
environment that's ripe for allowing people to collaborate on one version of a story,
he said.
Serious police investigations don't work that way, he added.
"Chief Boyd should know this more than anyone because he professes to be an expert
investigator who worked for years in the homicide unit in Toronto.
"When Chief Boyd came to Edmonton there was a lot of optimism things would be
different at the EPS."
But by Boyd failing to act to turn the probe over to RCMP "it seems like more of the
same old, same old," Engel said.
University of Alberta criminologist Bill Pitt figures the long-term solution is to
set up an independent review committee to probe serious cases involving cops.
It's been talked about in Alberta but never instituted.
"Unless you have a body like that, there's going to be an impression in the public
there's a tainted process," said Pitt.
The former RCMP officer and U.S. law enforcement instructor reckons "a detached and
distant police oversight body reporting to Alberta's solicitor general" goes hand in
hand with EPS moves toward community-based policing.
"It's the evolution of policing," said Pitt. "It's the evolution of community
policing."
We can only hope one day to experience that evolution in Alberta. But for now at
least, the RCMP should be appointed to probe this shooting - for everyone's benefit.
- kdio...@edmsun.com

E-mail Kerry Diotte at kdio...@edmsun.com.
Letters to the editor should be sent to mail...@edmsun.com.

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 More options Aug 14 2006, 11:32 pm
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From: "CD" <c...@nospam.com.au>
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 23:32:26 +1000
Local: Mon, Aug 14 2006 11:32 pm
Subject: Re: Pigs shooting should be probed

"_ G O D _" <DEMI...@TELUS.NET> wrote in message
news:kPRDg.5288$365.920@edtnps89...

> by Kerry Diotte

> http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Columnists/Diotte_Kerry/2006/08/13/17...

> Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
> There isn't a hell of a lot of public sympathy for Kirk Steele - and I
> don't have much for him myself.

I don't have any sympathy for this criminal piece of shit. However, I do
have sympathy for the Police Officer who shot him, not just for the trauma
he's being put though by the shooting itself. But also for the troubles the
PC morons and ambulance chasing lawyers will churn up over this type of
incident.

Chris


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 More options Aug 15 2006, 3:49 am
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From: "_ G O D _" <DEMI...@TELUS.NET>
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 17:49:10 GMT
Local: Tues, Aug 15 2006 3:49 am
Subject: Re: Pigs shooting should be probed
"CD" <c...@nospam.com.au> wrote
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>> by Kerry Diotte

>> http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Columnists/Diotte_Kerry/2006/08/13/17...

>> Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
>> There isn't a hell of a lot of public sympathy for Kirk
>> Steele - and I don't have much for him myself.

> I don't have any sympathy for this criminal piece of shit.

Chris, you wouldn't have said so about victim of
this shooting, if he were your son, brother, father
or a grandfather, whom you loved and cared for.
Therefore, it's quite natural for perfect strangers
to express their sympathy for victim of so brutal
murder by extremely savage and heartless pigs....
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and other beneficiaries of the institutionalized slavery and genocide.

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"The army that will defeat terrorism doesn't wear uniforms, or drive
Humvees, or calls in air-strikes. It doesn't have a high command, or
high security, or a high budget. The army that can defeat terrorism
does battle quietly, clearing minefields and vaccinating children. It
undermines military dictatorships and military lobbyists. It subverts
sweatshops and special interests.Where people feel powerless, it
helps them organize for change, and where people are powerful, it
reminds them of their responsibility."   ~~~~ Author Unknown ~~~~
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 More options Aug 17 2006, 10:44 am
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From: "Just Me" <Just M...@Yahoo.com>
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 19:44:06 -0500
Local: Thurs, Aug 17 2006 10:44 am
Subject: Re: Pigs shooting should be probed

"_ G O D _" <DEMI...@TELUS.NET> wrote in message
news:qI2Eg.7767$tP4.2425@clgrps12...

_GOD_, you wouldn't have said so about  the policeman involved in this
shooting, if he were your son, brother, father  or a grandfather, whom you
loved and cared for.  Therefore, it's quite natural for perfect strangers to
express their sympathy for criminals who precipitate a violent situation .

:-)


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