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 More options Nov 2 2006, 5:22 am
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From: "_ G O D _" <DEMI...@TELUS.NET>
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 18:22:57 GMT
Local: Thurs, Nov 2 2006 5:22 am
Subject: Americunts' long history of maiming and torturing prisoners
U.S. History Uncensored
What Your High School Textbook Didn't Tell You
by Carolyn Baker

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0610/S00491.htm

INTRODUCTION:
American inventor and entrepreneur, Henry Ford, is
famous not only for his astounding success in making
the automobile available to nearly every American
family, but also for his famous quote: "History is bunk."
Many historians, offended by Ford's abrupt dismissal
of the subject, defensively retort that history is not
bunk and set out to prove their "case" regarding the
relevance and significance of the study of history.
The reader may be surprised to learn that on one level,
I agree with Ford. A few years ago while browsing the
titles in the history section of my local bookstore, my
eyes fell upon James Loewen's Lies My Teacher
Told Me: Everything Your American History Textbook
Got Wrong. Instantaneously, I snatched the book from
the shelf and began frantically shuffling through its
pages. Presently, I realized that Loewen had elucidated
the exasperation of countless teachers of American
history, and I could barely wait to get the book home
where I could pore over his words without interruption.
A sociologist by trade, Loewen articulates brilliantly
the effects upon a society when its citizens are ignorant
of their history and shines an almost blinding light on
some of the most sacrosanct American historical
legends.
By and large, Americans do not consider themselves
ignorant of their history. Yet, most are still under the
influence of grammar-school indoctrination in the
"discovery" of America by Columbus and the myth of
George Washington's confession to his father that he,
indeed, could not tell a lie and did, in fact, cut down
the cherry tree. Sadly, in the technologically-obsessed
twenty-first century, any knowledge of history beyond
these mythical snippets is considered
"onerous" or simply "extraneous" to the "real" world.
Overwhelmingly, what I hear from my college history
students is that high school history was boring,
irrelevant, and largely taught to them by teachers
who had little or no passion for the subject. The
classic situation is the high school coach who is
hired to supervise athletic programs on the condition
that he/she teaches a designated number of social
studies courses of which history usually comprises
the majority.
In my own experience, high school history was taught by male coaches who
authoritatively lectured about U.S. history as a parent would a child, then barked
commands, like: "All right, everybody be quiet and write the answers to the questions
on Page 29." While we submissively complied, the coach sat at his desk, clipboard and
pencil in hand, diagramming football plays, resentfully offering obligatory answers
to any questions we might ask.
Nevertheless, some of us, thanks to stimulating college instructors, learned to love
history. We studied the subject in the context of the social upheaval and cultural
transformation of the 1960s and 70s. Moreover, in awe-stricken wonder at the
relevance of history to our lives and our world, we vowed that our teaching of it
would be passionate, vital, and illuminating. We could not wait to incite a similar
voracity for historical knowledge in our students.
So upon all of the above I reflect when I hear Henry Ford's proclamation that history
is bunk. I believe that rather than simply defending against Ford's comment, the
diligent historian must analyze it more deeply. First, we must ask ourselves what
would cause someone to proclaim that history is bunk? What more should we know about
Ford that might shed light on his dismissal of history? Is it not extraordinarily
relevant to understand that Ford was passionately anti-semitic and an ardent admirer
of Hitler? In fact, when Hitler penned his infamous Mein Kampf, a portrait of Ford
rested on his writing desk.
What might happen if this detail were included in conventional history texts? Might
it not lead to discussion of the reality that Ford was only one of hundreds of
corporate tycoons during the 1930s who admired Hitler and helped finance his rise to
power? And if Ford was only one, who were the others? Why did they support Hitler?
How did they become admirers of the most treacherous butcher in modern history? And
what happened to their support for Hitler during World War II and after? Does their
identification with his cause have anything to do with the turn of events following
World War II or even the unfolding of events in the early twenty-first century? Are
there implications that connect with current events such as the fact that at this
writing, the sitting American president's grandfather, Prescott Bush, a contemporary
of Ford, was one of those numerous corporate financiers of Hitler?
These are questions that historians are obligated to ask, and I do, and in History
Uncensored, I offer answers to those questions-or at least plausible explanations
which may not be "right" in the conventional sense, but which provide an alternative
not found in "official" versions of American history. This work is unequivocally
controversial, and it is meant to be, but as one of my students remarked after a
lively discussion of its contents: "We may not agree with you or this curriculum, but
we will never forget this course." For me, the impact of the questions raised is far
more momentous than my students' or readers' agreement with my answers.
At the opposite end of the spectrum from Henry Ford is the philosopher, George
Santayana, whose famous quote is ubiquitous in history books and holocaust museums:
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." Unfortunately, some
students use this quote to attempt to validate the irrelevance of studying history.
The logic goes something like: "Well, the only thing I learn from history is that
people learn nothing from history." At that point, I
am quick to challenge the student to tell me what he/she personally has learned from
history. Almost always, the student discloses that she has learned a great deal from
history but also confesses that it feels meaningless if the rest of society does not
also learn similar lessons. At that point, I hasten to remind the student that one
cannot compel society to learn from history, but one can learn one's own lessons from
history, and since society is comprised of individuals, what each person learns from
history has the potential to make an enormous difference in society.
I personally feel great empathy with the student who argues in this manner because he
is articulating frustration with a society that does not value historical knowledge.
College and university budgets incessantly decrease funds for humanities and social
sciences while increasing them for engineering and technological programs. Academia
appears to be screaming loudly that only the present and future matter. Whenever a
tragic event occurs nationally, one of the most
telling and frequently-repeated mantras is "we want to put this behind us" thereby
revealing our collective belief in the irrelevance of the past-a place where dark,
painful events are buried, never to be unearthed and examined for their meaning and
relevance.
In my opinion, the relegating of history to an antiquated closet of insignificance is
not only intellectually unsound but fundamentally dangerous. A people ignorant of
their own history are easily deceived and exploited. For example, our Founding
Fathers wrote and spoke profusely of the eighteenth-century Enlightenment concept of
inalienable rights. It permeates our Declaration of Independence and Constitution.
For them, the term was synonymous with human rights
held by each individual by virtue of nothing more than his/her existence. That is,
one possesses inalienable rights because one breathes air and walks on the earth.
Currently, however, members of the Bush Administration, including former Homeland
Security Chief, Tom Ridge, and Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, Antonin Scalia,
argue that government bestows the rights guaranteed in the Constitution upon its
citizens.
In almost every history class I teach, I ask students to explain the origin of their
rights as American citizens. Typically, most assume that their rights are "given" to
them by their government. It is a rare student who has ever considered that if the
government can "give" these rights, the government can also take them away. Few
traditional history textbooks clarify the concept of inalienable rights which has
contributed, in my opinion, to several generations of Americans who assume that the
rights they daily enjoy and take for granted are somehow bestowed by their nation's
leaders.
It is important to understand that history textbooks are the products of corporate
media, and corporate media, whether it be CNN, the New York Times, or Bedford St.
Martins Publishers is much more concerned with selling a product than agonizing over
accuracy. This is why hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions of Americans, no longer
acquire their daily news from mainstream sources but rely on alternative sources on
the internet to inform them of local, national,
and world events.
Moreover, as Loewen explains in Lies My Teacher Told Me, public school systems are
not interested in making waves in terms of questioning the accuracy of history
textbooks. Particularly in an era of backlash against the teaching of the theory of
evolution or sex education, educators are loath to scrutinize American history
textbooks which teach, as virtually all traditional ones do, that the United States
of America is the most tolerant, moral, non-aggressive, and benevolent nation on
earth. Insufficient detail, if any, is offered regarding Native American genocide by
European settlers or the rabid racism that motivated them from the moment they set
foot on the continent. Few textbooks analyze the persecution of labor and social
justice movements by the
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From: Duncan Patton <campb...@neotext.ca>
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 22:09:47 GMT
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Subject: Re: Americunts' long history of maiming and torturing prisoners
On Wed, 01 Nov 2006 18:22:57 GMT
"_ G O D _" <DEMI...@TELUS.NET> wrote:

> "History is bunk."

This is a typical reaction from someone who knows a lot
of "history" and would prefer that other's did not.

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