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Unqualified Affirmative Action Prince  
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 More options Aug 28, 10:18 pm
Newsgroups: alt.abuse.recovery, alt.bitterness, talk.politics.drugs
From: not@work (Unqualified Affirmative Action Prince)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 12:18:48 GMT
Local: Thurs, Aug 28 2008 10:18 pm
Subject: Bad News And Good News For Alan

FIRST. THE BAD NEWS:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,411984,00.html

$150M Marijuana Garden Found in California by Helicopter
Wednesday, August 27, 2008

HEMET, Calif. —  A sheriff's helicopter patrol guided Riverside
deputies to a $150 million marijuana garden in remote hills south of
Hemet.

(snip)

________

THEN THE GOOD NEWS:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,411961,00.html

Billionaire George Soros Funding Massachusetts Effort to Decriminalize
Pot
Wednesday, August 27, 2008

BOSTON —  A measure that would decriminalize minor
marijuana-possession cases is on the ballot in Massachusetts largely
because of one man: billionaire financier and liberal activist George
Soros.

(snip)


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M_P  
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 More options Aug 29, 2:56 am
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From: M_P <m...@rocketmail.com>
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 09:56:55 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Fri, Aug 29 2008 2:56 am
Subject: Re: Bad News And Good News For Alan
On Aug 28, 6:18 am, not@work (Unqualified Affirmative Action Prince)
wrote:

> FIRST. THE BAD NEWS:

> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,411984,00.html

> $150M Marijuana Garden Found in California by Helicopter
> Wednesday, August 27, 2008

> HEMET, Calif. —  A sheriff's helicopter patrol guided Riverside
> deputies to a $150 million marijuana garden in remote hills south of
> Hemet.

> (snip)

A drop in the bucket.

True conservatives also support lessened (in fact, eliminated)
penalties for marijuana.

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Alan B. Mac Farlane  
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 More options Aug 29, 5:09 am
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From: "Alan B. Mac Farlane" <al...@sonic.net>
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 12:09:08 -0700
Local: Fri, Aug 29 2008 5:09 am
Subject: Re: Bad News And Good News For Alan
in article
de238712-8147-417b-9297-0901df24d...@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com, M_P at
m...@rocketmail.com wrote on 8/28/08 9:56 AM:

> True conservatives also support lessened (in fact, eliminated)
> penalties for marijuana.

The Pill Grims are all kinked out about some flower from the garden of eden.

All hail Moses and his Serpent Staff from the Jealous God of Fire !!!

The Grim Pills are killing US .. they are stuck in their toddler tantrum I
am sorry to say.

sumbuddie on da watchtower ...

 ... two riders are approaching and the wind begin to howl.

:(


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M_P  
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 More options Aug 29, 5:41 am
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From: M_P <m...@rocketmail.com>
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 12:41:49 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Fri, Aug 29 2008 5:41 am
Subject: Re: Bad News And Good News For Alan
On Aug 28, 1:09 pm, "Alan B. Mac Farlane" <al...@sonic.net> wrote:

> in article
> de238712-8147-417b-9297-0901df24d...@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com, M_P at
> m...@rocketmail.com wrote on 8/28/08 9:56 AM:
> > True conservatives also support lessened (in fact, eliminated)
> > penalties for marijuana.

> The Pill Grims are all kinked out about some flower from the garden of eden.

> All hail Moses and his Serpent Staff from the Jealous God of Fire !!!

There's nary a word in Scripture about marijuana ... but there is this
affirmation of moderate recreational substance use: "Wine was created
from the beginning to make men joyful, and not to make them drunk."
Ecclesiasticus 31:35

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bobbie sellers  
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 More options Aug 29, 6:08 am
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From: bobbie sellers <bl...@california.com>
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 13:08:00 -0700
Subject: Re: Bad News And Good News For Alan

    Whether or not cannabis is mentioned in Scripture is
open to discussion as one of the major ingredients of the
prescribed incense is kaneb bosem which some believe
may be the veritable plant we discuss.

    By inclusion it is approved below.

            GENESIS 1; 11,12: And God said,"Let the earth burst forth
    with every sort of grass and seed-bearing plant." And so it
    was,and God was pleased.  GENESIS 1; 29,31: "And look! I have
    given you the seed-bearing plants throughout the earth for your
    food." Then God looked over all that he had made,and it was
    excellent in every way.  Taken from "THE LIVING BIBLE"

      350 B.C. Proverbs, 31:6-7: "Give strong drink to him who is
  perishing, and wine to those in bitter distress; let them drink
  and forget their poverty, and remember their misery no more."

        later
        bliss -- C O C O A  Powered... (at california dot com)

--
bobbie sellers - a retired nurse in San Francisco

    Ningen banji          Human beings do
    Samazama no           Every single kind
    Baka a suru           Of stupid thing
        --- 117th edition of Haifu Yanagidaru published in 1832


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Messiah Obama  
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 More options Aug 29, 6:33 am
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From: s...@nospam.org (Messiah Obama)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 20:33:32 GMT
Local: Fri, Aug 29 2008 6:33 am
Subject: Re: Bad News And Good News For Alan
On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 13:08:00 -0700, bobbie sellers

<bl...@california.com> wrote:
>            GENESIS 1; 11,12: And God said,"Let the earth burst forth
>    with every sort of grass and seed-bearing plant." And so it
>    was,and God was pleased.
> GENESIS 1; 29,31: "And look! I have
>    given you the seed-bearing plants throughout the earth for your
>    food." Then God looked over all that he had made,and it was
>    excellent in every way.  Taken from "THE LIVING BIBLE"

God is a greenie.  He wants plants everywhere, for their oxygen-giving
properties, not to be dried and huffed.

>      350 B.C. Proverbs, 31:6-7: "Give strong drink to him who is
>  perishing, and wine to those in bitter distress; let them drink
>  and forget their poverty, and remember their misery no more."

God is definitely pro-alcohol, a substance which most of the pot
people deplore.

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M_P  
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 More options Aug 29, 6:51 am
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From: M_P <m...@rocketmail.com>
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 13:51:30 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Fri, Aug 29 2008 6:51 am
Subject: Re: Bad News And Good News For Alan
On Aug 28, 2:33 pm, s...@nospam.org (Messiah Obama) wrote:

> On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 13:08:00 -0700, bobbie sellers

> <bl...@california.com> wrote:
> >            GENESIS 1; 11,12: And God said,"Let the earth burst forth
> >    with every sort of grass and seed-bearing plant." And so it
> >    was,and God was pleased.
> > GENESIS 1; 29,31: "And look! I have
> >    given you the seed-bearing plants throughout the earth for your
> >    food." Then God looked over all that he had made,and it was
> >    excellent in every way.  Taken from "THE LIVING BIBLE"

> God is a greenie.  He wants plants everywhere, for their oxygen-giving
> properties, not to be dried and huffed.

So smoking tobacco is a sin?

> >      350 B.C. Proverbs, 31:6-7: "Give strong drink to him who is
> >  perishing, and wine to those in bitter distress; let them drink
> >  and forget their poverty, and remember their misery no more."

> God is definitely pro-alcohol, a substance which most of the pot
> people deplore.

From which it certainly does not follow that God is anti-pot. (Not
that you said it did.)

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Messiah Obama  
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 More options Aug 29, 7:21 am
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From: s...@nospam.org (Messiah Obama)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 21:21:25 GMT
Local: Fri, Aug 29 2008 7:21 am
Subject: Re: Bad News And Good News For Alan
On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 13:51:30 -0700 (PDT), M_P <m...@rocketmail.com>
wrote:

God does not envision plants to be smoked, but rather as a source of
oxygen and, for those that are edible, food.

But most of us holy men don't claim that He believes that smoking is a
sin, but rather that smoking plants is not what He envisioned for
plants.

However, some holy men believe that because of the health
consequences, smoking tobacco is a sin against the commandment "Thou
shalt not kill" which contemplates suicide as well as murder.


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M_P  
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 More options Aug 29, 7:45 am
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From: M_P <m...@rocketmail.com>
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 14:45:18 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Fri, Aug 29 2008 7:45 am
Subject: Re: Bad News And Good News For Alan
On Aug 28, 3:21 pm, s...@nospam.org (Messiah Obama) wrote:

You missed at least one: To be mashed, fermented, and distilled. Given
that, smoking doesn't seem out of line.


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Jack  
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 More options Aug 29, 7:53 am
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From: Windswept@Home (Jack)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 21:53:03 GMT
Local: Fri, Aug 29 2008 7:53 am
Subject: Re: Bad News And Good News For Alan
On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 14:45:18 -0700 (PDT), M_P <m...@rocketmail.com>
wrote:

God does not mention these other processes.

Doesn't say whether they should or should not be done.

That's why we have the Supreme Court, to rule on aspects that were not
specifically addressed.


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 More options Aug 29, 11:08 am
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From: bobbie sellers <bl...@california.com>
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 18:08:42 -0700
Local: Fri, Aug 29 2008 11:08 am
Subject: Re: Bad News And Good News For Alan

    Then why did he make them combustible?  Mankind has been breathing
smoke from plants for thousands of years as recorded of the ancients who
in a tent tossed cannabis on a fire to provide a fragrant intoxicating haze.
And if cannabis was the kaneb bosem of scriptural reference burned in the
holy of holy as incense it is no wonder that God hung around and communed
 with the Priests and acolytes.
> But most of us holy men don't claim that He believes that smoking is a
> sin, but rather that smoking plants is not what He envisioned for
> plants.

> However, some holy men believe that because of the health
> consequences, smoking tobacco is a sin against the commandment "Thou
> shalt not kill" which contemplates suicide as well as murder.

    Well it is a slow death and until modern times did not affect life
span,  but the
tobacco to be smoked would be nicotina rusticana the plant the Indians
smoked
but did not particularly cultivate.  Our modern plants have been bred to
be more
intoxicating and nicotine is very addictive.

    But the God of the Old Testament was a local diety and had not
learned of
the plants in the Western continents but most likely knew all about
cannabis.
Some food we cook and some must be smoked and smoking tobacco w