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M_P  
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 More options Aug 28, 2:04 am
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From: M_P <m...@rocketmail.com>
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 09:04:09 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Thurs, Aug 28 2008 2:04 am
Subject: Losing endless war on drugs
http://www.gazette.com/opinion/drug_39743___article.html/war_drugs.html

Colorado Springs Gazette
August 25, 2008 - 10:23AM

Decades of effort yield few results

In this campaign season, critics often hammer Sen. John McCain for his
comment that he could see U.S. troops in Iraq for another 100 years.
Although the senator meant the U.S. role in Iraq would be similar to
our role in Germany and South Korea, not actively fighting insurgents,
as the critics would have voters believe, the criticism scores points
because the average American doesn't have much inter-est in fighting a
seemingly endless war. Yet this country and others have been fighting
a war for four decades with limited or no success, and there is no end
in sight.

No less deadly than uniformed troops trading volleys with one another,
the war on drugs has cost this country more than a trillion dollars so
far, according to the Law Enforcement Against Prohibition Web site,
and that figure increases more than $65 billion each year. (LEAP is an
organization of former and current law enforcement officers who have
recognized the futility of the drug war.) And the government's attempt
to curtail human nature is costing more than money. Every year,
innocent people are killed, wounded or traumatized because of the war
on drugs.

The problem is drug prohibition, not drugs.Those who support the drug
war seem to fall into two main camps: those who believe drugs are bad
(no argument here) and must be banned, and those who support the war
simply because drugs are illegal. The latter concern can be solved by
removing prohibition. Then drugs wouldn't be illegal. The former must
be addressed with an appeal to freedom, if not economics.

Although in many people's minds the jury is still out on long-term
harmful effects of marijuana, most people and the scientific evidence
agree that hard drugs such as methamphetamine, heroin and cocaine do a
lot of damage to human bodies. But so does alcohol, and the nation
learned decades ago that banning it didn't keep people from buying it;
they simply changed suppliers, from the corner liquor store to Al
Capone's organization. Government's proper role is to protect its
citizens from each other, not the harmful effects of their own poor
choices.

Bans do little to change people's desire for a substance, but bans do
create black markets to meet that desire. Because of the risks
involved in black markets, prices are higher to cover the overhead,
such as increased security necessary to protect the operation and
specialized equipment needed to smuggle contraband across borders. The
prices result in higher profits as suppliers rake in the cash to
offset the risks they take. High profits attract criminal elements,
people who like high payoffs for little hard work. The violence that
is part and parcel of the drug trade has little to do with drugs and
everything to do with prohibition. And that's the problem from a
public safety standpoint.

In an effort to curtail drug trafficking and corruption, Mexican
President Felipe Calderon has stepped up efforts south of the border.
More than 36,000 troops have been assigned to drug-war efforts in
recent years. Predictably, that has led to violent clashes as drug
traf-fickers fight to protect their profits.

In Ciudad Juarez, across the Rio Grande from El Paso, Texas, drug
violence has killed about 800 people this year. Ciudad Juarez has
about four times the population of Colorado Springs. We've had 19
killings so far this year. At a similar rate, Colorado Springs would
have seen roughly 80 homicides so far this year. It's difficult to
believe that if drug war violence killed 80 of our friends and
neighbors, Springs residents wouldn't be howling for change.

Not that all drug war violence takes place elsewhere. Drug raids in
this country have had disastrous results for many innocent people.
Acting on tips from often anonymous sources, anti-drug police teams
have kicked in the doors of innocent homeowners, sometimes drawing
gunfire from residents who believe their homes are being invaded. Some
police officers and homeowners have been wounded in the ensuing gun
battles. All for a mistake in an address.

The mayor of Berwyn Heights, Md., had a SWAT team kick down his front
door and shoot his two dogs when the team served a war-rant in an
investigation of a drug ring that mailed packages of drugs to
unsuspecting victims, then picked up the packages later. The raid was
last month; he's still waiting for an apology for the way the raid was
carried out.

Some drug prohibitionists argue that to end prohibition would be to
admit defeat, would be throwing up our hands and giving our kids to
the drug lords. Although the second point is simply overwrought, maybe
it is time to admit that the drug war isn't working. After decades of
trying to eradicate drugs from our society, they're still here, easier
to buy and more powerful than ever. Prohibition has spawned drug
cartels in other nations, undermining their governments, adding to
corruption, and financing terrorism. In the U.S., inner-city gangs
have grown more powerful, to the point where there are some areas
police are hesitant to patrol.

There's likely not a community in this country that doesn't face
problems associated with the drug war. After 40 years of expense and
effort, the drug war has resulted in packed prisons, broken families
and a loss of respect for police agencies. And still, many high-
schoolers can tell you where to go to buy illegal drugs. Have we made
any real headway toward solving the problem? It's time to rethink the
policy of prohibition.

New rules, new intrusions
With the recent Olympic games taking place in China, a lot of media
attention has been given to that nation's abysmal record on human and
civil rights. As of this writing, Chinese officials had not approved a
single request for activists to stage a protest anywhere near the
sports venues. In fact, many foreigners have simply been shipped home,
while Chinese activists have been detained by police.

Americans are smug in the knowledge that U.S. officials would never
act in such a manner. After all, we have our Constitution that
protects many of our rights. But what if the government that is sup-
posed to respect those rights by following the Constitution were to
ignore it? That's a concern among some congressional Democrats after
they were briefed on a new Justice Department plan to revamp the way
the Federal Bureau of Investigation opens investigations on citizens.

According to a New York Times report last week, four senators - Russ
Feingold, Richard Durbin, Edward Kennedy and Sheldon Whitehouse - sent
Attorney General Michael B. Mukasey a letter outlining their concerns
after a series of meetings last month. They say the new rules would
allow the government to investigate Americans and access private
records "without any basis for suspicion."

Anticipating push-back from Congress and the public about the changes,
Mukasey said in a recent speech in Portland, Ore., that the new rules
simply clarify procedures between agents so everyone is operating in
the same way. He assured listeners the feds would still need a "valid
purpose" to begin an investigation.

Call us skeptical, especially with this administration's record on
openness, but it's concerning when the highest law enforcement
official in the nation uses words like "valid purpose" rather than the
legal standard of "reasonable suspicion."

When the new rules are made public next month, it will be a relatively
simple matter to look at them and ensure the Justice Department isn't
walking on the Constitution to fight the war on terrorism.

Copyright © 2008 Freedom Communications


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From: Day Brown <daybr...@daybrown.org>
Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 21:24:10 -0500
Local: Thurs, Sep 4 2008 12:24 pm
Subject: Re: Losing endless war on drugs
The end is in sight. The war on drugs is actually the effort by
Christians to suppress the use of sacred entheogenic potions that create
an altered state of consciousness in most people that is not, according
to the brain scans, any different from that thru meditation.

And Buddhists who meditate are not Christian either. Everyone who gets
to this mind space realizes the divine is not an alpha male tyrant.

And increasing numbers of young women are finding this out. There are a
large number of organic products sold online that were used by witches
in sacred ceremonies all over the world that are legal, and work.

Partly, its economic. Young women, 21-30, now make more money than young
men. And young men can no longer afford to support families, so witches
are trying to work out new social models for young women.

And their notion of the divine, as The Goddess, comports with the kind
of direct emotional experience young women have after they've been given
an entheogenic potion. They come away utterly convinced the Bible is
bullshit as well.

So- the moral premise behind the war on drugs is destroyed. The women
never become addicts cause the sacred potions are only used in the
sacred space, at the sacred time and in the sacred way. The punishment
for 'drug abuse' is not crime, but blasphemy.


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 More options Sep 5, 3:01 am
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From: M_P <m...@rocketmail.com>
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 10:01:37 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Fri, Sep 5 2008 3:01 am
Subject: Re: Losing endless war on drugs
On Sep 3, 9:24 pm, Day Brown <daybr...@daybrown.org> wrote:

> The end is in sight. The war on drugs is actually the effort by
> Christians [...]

It looks that way in the West only because the West is majority (at
least nominal) Christian. I don't think drugs are legal in Israel, or
in many Muslim countries.

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From: bobbie sellers <bl...@california.com>
Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 13:27:32 -0700
Local: Fri, Sep 5 2008 6:27 am
Subject: Re: Losing endless war on drugs
M_P wrote:
> On Sep 3, 9:24 pm, Day Brown <daybr...@daybrown.org> wrote:

>> The end is in sight. The war on drugs is actually the effort by
>> Christians [...]

> It looks that way in the West only because the West is majority (at
> least nominal) Christian. I don't think drugs are legal in Israel, or
> in many Muslim countries.

    Yes but aside from alcohol the drugs that are illegal in the Muslim
countries
are the drugs that have been made illegal in the West.  The Muslims,
Hindus et al
accept the Western Christian logic that they are backward or were
previously
backward due to the use of now illegalized drugs.  But we got coffee
from the
East along with tea and the Persians like to drink wine unless they are
fanatical
followers of Islam.  The Chinese used to use Cannabis as medicine as well as
the Hindus who developed the use of Opium though this was known to the
 ancient Egyptians.

        later
        bliss -- C  O C O A  Powered... (at california dot com)

--
bobbie sellers - a retired nurse in San Francisco

"It is by will alone I set my mind in motion.
 It is by the beans of cocoa that the thoughts acquire speed,
 the thighs acquire girth, the girth become a warning.
 It is by theobromine alone I set my mind in motion."
        --from Someone else's Dune spoof ripped to my taste.


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