Makes sense to me though i still think the best answer is to make DUI a felony with automatic multi-year license suspension. Let's stop coddling these killers and maimers.
> Makes sense to me though i still think the best answer is to make DUI a > felony > with automatic multi-year license suspension. Let's stop coddling these > killers and maimers.
Never happen. Too many George Bush type drunks... with power. Like judges, lawyers, senaturds.
>Makes sense to me though i still think the best answer is to make DUI a >felony >with automatic multi-year license suspension. Let's stop coddling these >killers and maimers.
>> Makes sense to me though i still think the best answer is to make DUI >> a felony >> with automatic multi-year license suspension. Let's stop coddling >> these killers and maimers.
> Never happen. Too many George Bush type drunks... with power. Like > judges, lawyers, senaturds.
Yes indeed. Drunk driving is a super-violent drug crime but since rich white people do it, we're told it's no big deal.
> On Fri, 02 Oct 2009 10:15:41 -0500, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are > MURDERERS" <xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>Makes sense to me though i still think the best answer is to make DUI a >>felony >>with automatic multi-year license suspension. Let's stop coddling these >>killers and maimers.
> ...and raise the driving age to 18
I've been saying that for years, maybe make it 20 in fact. It's crazy to let 15 yo kids drive but the auto industry makes a fortune off car crashes and if they had their way 5 yo kids could drive.
> >Makes sense to me though i still think the best answer is to make DUI a > >felony > >with automatic multi-year license suspension. Let's stop coddling these > >killers and maimers.
> ...and raise the driving age to 18
Too bad there isn't a REAL test for 16yo's. There are some that can handle it. The best thing that happened to me is wrecking my Bug 1 1/2 days after getting my license. Tore it all to hell but hurt no one and I got it home without any cop involvement. It brought my ass down a few notches. Started driving a school bus at 16 1/2, a dump truck at 17 and a tractor trailer at 18. 2.5 mill. truck miles later I have had 1 ticket for running a yellow..err red light (reduced to I.O.) and 2 accidents where I was not at fault. 1 was a double fatality but I had no control over it.
In article <1sacc5hdtqmgtj24l1hucjinai6ts5m...@4ax.com> Drive-by Poster <aim...@yur.brain> writes: >On Fri, 02 Oct 2009 10:15:41 -0500, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are >MURDERERS" <xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote: >>Makes sense to me though i still think the best answer is to make DUI a >>felony >>with automatic multi-year license suspension. Let's stop coddling these >>killers and maimers. >...and raise the driving age to 18
Better to raise the driving age to 21 and lower the drinking age to 18.
That way people get experience with the effects of drinking before starting to drive rather than vice-versa.
> Makes sense to me though i still think the best answer is to make DUI a > felony > with automatic multi-year license suspension. Let's stop coddling these > killers and maimers.
On Oct 2, 10:15 am, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS"
<xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote: > Makes sense to me though i still think the best answer is to make DUI a > felony > with automatic multi-year license suspension. Let's stop coddling these > killers and maimers.
They don't want to do anything that might discourage people from drinking because drinking generates a lot of revenue for the gubmint and if there's one thing the healthcare debacle has taught us all, it's that Congresscritters love money literally more than life itself. Just as long as its somebody else's life, that is.
On Oct 2, 9:15 am, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS"
<xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote: > Makes sense to me though i still think the best answer is to make DUI a > felony > with automatic multi-year license suspension. Let's stop coddling these > killers and maimers.
In Britain pubs can be found in every neighborhood, within walking distance so drunks can walk home without hurting anyone. Here in America the neo-prohibitionists severely restrict the location of bars with zoning laws, forcing them to locate in commercial districts far away from residential neighborhoods, and way too far to walk. And since America has terrible public transportation, the only way to get to and from a bar is in a car, presumably with a designated driver.
> >> Makes sense to me though i still think the best answer is to make DUI > >> a felony > >> with automatic multi-year license suspension. Let's stop coddling > >> these killers and maimers.
> > Never happen. Too many George Bush type drunks... with power. Like > > judges, lawyers, senaturds.
> Yes indeed. Drunk driving is a super-violent drug crime but since rich > white people do it, we're told it's no big deal.
It used to be really no big deal. Even if you had an accident driving, if nobody died you kept your license.
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On Oct 2, 8:15 am, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS"
<xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote: > Makes sense to me though i still think the best answer is to make DUI a > felony > with automatic multi-year license suspension. Let's stop coddling these > killers and maimers.
Drugging and driving, drinking and driving are the same thing. I think methadone users should not be allowed to have a license. People get high off of methadone when they take it. I don't want to take a chance. Marijuana driving is just plain wrong. Crack down on everyone.
On Oct 2, 7:15 am, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS"
<xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote: > Makes sense to me though i still think the best answer is to make DUI a > felony > with automatic multi-year license suspension. Let's stop coddling these > killers and maimers.
So people too drunk to drive can sleep it off in their cars.
In article <a78d8558-b70d-4bdf-aa5e-2b0afcee6...@q40g2000prh.googlegroups.com> Steady Eddy <nonsmoki...@comcast.net> writes:
>Drugging and driving, drinking and driving are the same thing. I think >methadone users should not be allowed to have a license. People get >high off of methadone when they take it. I don't want to take a >chance. Marijuana driving is just plain wrong. Crack down on everyone.
Total bollocks.
Addicts on methadone maintenance don't get high off of methadone, they get "normal". It's much better for an addict to drive after a maintenance dose than for an addict to drive while jonesing or in withdrawal.
And studies by the US DOT have found that marijuana-only using drivers do not have accidents at a higher rate than totally sober drivers. In fact the rate was slightly lower for marijuana-only users, but not enough lower to be statistically significant.
Mixing marijuana with alcohol, however, makes one a worse driver than alcohol alone. Alcohol, cell phone and PDA disractions, and sleepiness are probably the biggest problems for causing accidents.
Since you claim to speak for Christians, why not take the log out of your own eye before trying to take the speck out of someone else's eye?
> In article <a78d8558-b70d-4bdf-aa5e-2b0afcee6...@q40g2000prh.googlegroups.com> Steady Eddy <nonsmoki...@comcast.net> writes:
> >Drugging and driving, drinking and driving are the same thing. I think > >methadone users should not be allowed to have a license. People get > >high off of methadone when they take it. I don't want to take a > >chance. Marijuana driving is just plain wrong. Crack down on everyone.
> Total bollocks.
> Addicts on methadone maintenance don't get high off of methadone, they get > "normal". It's much better for an addict to drive after a maintenance dose > than for an addict to drive while jonesing or in withdrawal.
> And studies by the US DOT have found that marijuana-only using drivers do not > have accidents at a higher rate than totally sober drivers. In fact the rate > was slightly lower for marijuana-only users, but not enough lower to be > statistically significant.
> Mixing marijuana with alcohol, however, makes one a worse driver than alcohol > alone. Alcohol, cell phone and PDA disractions, and sleepiness are probably > the biggest problems for causing accidents.
> Since you claim to speak for Christians, why not take the log out of your > own eye before trying to take the speck out of someone else's eye?
> "Man does not control his own fate. The women in his life do that for him."
> -Groucho Marx
It is illegal to drive a motor vehicle impaired. It doesn't matter what the substance is (alcohol, methadone, pot etc...). Recently they started testing marijuana breath test machines. I think that is a great idea. If you are going to smoke pot, do it at home. I am against drugging and driving. Around here they take your car if you are caught with illegal drugs. Stoned driving is wrong. Plain and simple.
In article <f8028dfa-ae5f-4744-8786-00da6b562...@h40g2000prf.googlegroups.com> Steady Eddy <nonsmoki...@comcast.net> writes:
>It is illegal to drive a motor vehicle impaired. It doesn't matter >what the substance is (alcohol, methadone, pot etc...).
I agree, and they should test impairment.
>Recently they >started testing marijuana breath test machines. I think that is a >great idea.
Terrible idea, since it doesn't test impairment. At least the alcohol breath tests correlate with impairment, so I support those.
>If you are going to smoke pot, do it at home. I am against >drugging and driving. Around here they take your car if you are caught >with illegal drugs. Stoned driving is wrong. Plain and simple.
I am against being impaired while driving. As far as drugs -- I think caffeine is a good idea for driving. When I lived in Ohio, various groups would even hand out free coffee to drivers on long trips during holiday weekends, etc. Some drugs are good for driving.
Pete nospam Zakel wrote: > In article <f8028dfa-ae5f-4744-8786-00da6b562...@h40g2000prf.googlegroups.com> Steady Eddy <nonsmoki...@comcast.net> writes:
>> It is illegal to drive a motor vehicle impaired. It doesn't matter >> what the substance is (alcohol, methadone, pot etc...).
> I agree, and they should test impairment.
>> Recently they >> started testing marijuana breath test machines. I think that is a >> great idea.
> Terrible idea, since it doesn't test impairment. At least the alcohol > breath tests correlate with impairment, so I support those.
>> If you are going to smoke pot, do it at home. I am against >> drugging and driving. Around here they take your car if you are caught >> with illegal drugs. Stoned driving is wrong. Plain and simple.
Stoned driving is safer than driving with a couple of drinks. People who only use cannabis have fewer accidents, as Mr. Zakel has mentioned before. The problems come with drinking stoners who have even worse accident rates.
> I am against being impaired while driving. As far as drugs -- I think > caffeine is a good idea for driving. When I lived in Ohio, various groups > would even hand out free coffee to drivers on long trips during holiday > weekends, etc. Some drugs are good for driving.
Got to disagree with the caffeine recommendation Mr.Zakel. It masks lack of sleep long enough to let the driver get to boring parts of the trip and then they drop off and provide stats for the CHP. Remember that driving without lack of sleep is more dangerous than most drugs.
In article <a78d8558-b70d-4bdf-aa5e-2b0afcee6...@q40g2000prh.googlegroups.com>, Steady Eddy <nonsmoki...@comcast.net> wrote:
> On Oct 2, 8:15 am, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS" > <xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > Makes sense to me though i still think the best answer is to make DUI a > > felony > > with automatic multi-year license suspension. Let's stop coddling these > > killers and maimers.
> Drugging and driving, drinking and driving are the same thing. I think > methadone users should not be allowed to have a license. People get > high off of methadone when they take it. I don't want to take a > chance. Marijuana driving is just plain wrong. Crack down on everyone.
Right now the problem is mainly people who drive in sleep deprived states we really need to get them off the road.
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