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Re: Maine-Nebraska in 1860

dten...@ameritech.net (David Tenner) — Sat, 22 Nov 2008 09:23:23 UT

rich...@gadsden.name (Richard Gadsden) wrote in
Actually, he would get one electoral vote in a slave state--the St. Louis
district in Missouri which sent Frank Blair, Jr. to Congress.
I agree though that he would lose some electoral votes to Douglas in
Illinois, Indiana, and Ohio, also to "fusion" tickets in New York (that's

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Re: FDR in 1924?

dten...@ameritech.net (David Tenner) — Sat, 22 Nov 2008 08:05:44 UT

"Graham Truesdale" <graham.truesd...@tiscali.nosp am.com> wrote in
It does seem to me though that in 1932 the Democrats were especially
determined not to nominate anyone (e.g., Al Smith) who had been too closely
associated with the party's electoral defeats during the 1920's. And
remember that FDR in this ATL would have been involved in *two* of those

Re: What IF: Japan had also attacked the Panama Canal on Dec.7'41 ?

asp...@pacific.net.au (Phil McGregor) — Sat, 22 Nov 2008 07:09:27 UT

On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 08:53:57 -0800 (PST), dabrob <dab...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Because we are all against animal cruelty?
"Ban the shipping of Japanese Monkey in Barrels!"
***** FLASH *****
Monkey Business
===============
New York Times, Monday, 1 Dec 41 -- President Roosevelt today
announced that a complete embargo would be placed on all shipments of

Re: WI Little Boy type weapon ready in July 1944?

rober...@drizzle.com (Robert A. Woodward) — Sat, 22 Nov 2008 06:55:38 UT

In article
<411ef3d2-adc8-4eb4-a1ad-66dce f47b...@l14g2000yqj.googlegrou ps.com>
,
<snip>
It is one thing to make a mistake; it is quite another thing to
refuse to admit that it was one. Saipan was invaded June 15th,
1944; it was declared secure on July 9th. The first B-29s arrived
Oct 12th, 1944. I don't consider 3 months to be "many".

Re: Online Timeline of Presidential Elections: from Geo. Washington to Barack Obama

t...@panix.com (Tim McDaniel) — Sat, 22 Nov 2008 04:50:46 UT

In article <gg7n18$lq...@news.motzarella. org>,
James McPherson, _Battle Cry of Freedom_, pp. 258-9:
Most interest at Montgomery focused on the choice of a provisional
president. There was no shortage of aspirants, but the final nod
went to a West Point graduate who would have preferred to be

Re: Maine-Nebraska in 1860

rrostrom.21stcent...@rcn.com (Rich Rostrom) — Sat, 22 Nov 2008 04:39:11 UT

He probably gets 1 in MO; the MO 1st District was
dominated anti-slavery German immigrants and
elected Republican Frank Blair Representative with 44%.
Not likely, since Douglas won the popular vote in NJ - though
see below.
It should be noted that the results usually
given are somewhat deceptive. The "Breckinridge"

Re: WI Little Boy type weapon ready in July 1944?

montest...@gmail.com (Alfred Montestruc) — Sat, 22 Nov 2008 04:34:44 UT

Your lack of point.
I addressed that in detail in the previous thread. Sure they had the
material, and could scrape together the labor to do it, but, and this
is the important point, you really need a thick concrete runway, and
it takes time for concrete to harden, and longer for thick concrete to
harden, and to build the needed long runways would cost a lot of labor

Re: What’s new and improved about Venus

bradg...@gmail.com (BradGuth) — Sat, 22 Nov 2008 04:32:05 UT

Apparently the average person reading anything in Usenet/newsgroups is
deathly afraid of their own shadow, especially afraid to deductively
think about anything that's outside of their cozy mainstream status
quo box.
If I was as faith-based and past the point of no return would likely
make myself more than a little gun shy about the planet Venus.

Re: Maine-Nebraska in 1860

rich...@gadsden.name (Richard Gadsden) — Sat, 22 Nov 2008 02:26:00 UT

In article <7-6dnbxot8Ds1LrUnZ2dnUVZ_hidn ...@speakeasy.net> on Fri, 21
Breckenridge wins everything near the Mississippi; the rest of Texas was
still nearly empty, I'd have thought. Texas had only just got its second
congressman, and was still at-large, so it doesn't affect the EVs anyway;
Breckenridge gets all four.

Re: Empty America - Part 41

jb...@rogers.com (JBodi) — Sat, 22 Nov 2008 01:40:39 UT

-- Well, Stirling was a Canadian when he wrote the Draka novels, but
yeah, that is extra-funny.
it's just a hunch ... like the one I had when Alison purported to kill
Flashman in an IRA pub-bombing.

Re: Online Timeline of Presidential Elections: from Geo. Washington to Barack Obama

graham.truesd...@tiscali.nospam.com (Graham Truesdale) — Sat, 22 Nov 2008 01:24:48 UT

A few observations
Of the 6 states that Goldwater carried in '64, only Arizona had
been carried by Nixon in '60. Or if you prefer, of the 26 states
that Nixon carried in '60, Goldwater carried only 1 in '64. I make
this a loss of more than 95% of the 1960 states.
As recently as 1976, Texas went Democratic and California went

Re: what effect would the the German immigrant have on the rump USA if the CSA won?

da...@cablelynx.com (Daniel Sindell) — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 18:38:36 UT

If the South won the Civil War, the Confederate States of America
would have some affect on the German immigrants in the United States?
This is from the alt.history.what-if newsgroup and may be
interesting to discuss:
On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 21:21:12 -0000, Straha <CreativeZenStr...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Re: FDR in 1924?

graham.truesd...@tiscali.nospam.com (Graham Truesdale) — Sat, 22 Nov 2008 00:32:55 UT

NB that in the mid 20thC three unsuccessful Presidential candidates
in succession lived to run again.
1. As you state, Dewey lost in 1944 and ran (again unsuccessfully)
in 1948.
2. Stevenson lost in 1952 and ran (again unsuccessfully) in 1956.
3. Nixon lost in 1960 and ran (successfully) in 1968.

Re: Maine-Nebraska in 1860

grah...@speakeasy.net (Stephen Graham) — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 23:51:11 UT

Texas looks screwy on that map. It seems to show Bell carrying the vast
majority of counties, when Breckenridge had a strong majority in popular
vote. I don't think the population was concentrated enough to produce
this result.
Not having done the math on a Congressional District by Congressional