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All4One  
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From: All4One <jim_...@yahoo.com>
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 09:13:04 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Thurs, Jul 2 2009 2:13 am
Subject: Can Hmong Politician be this HONORABLE?
I DON'T THINK SO!  Your thougths?

A qoute from Norm Coleman's defeat to Al Franken for the senate seat
race.

"We have reached the point where further litigation damages the unity
of our state, which is also fundamental. In these tough times, we all
need to focus on the future. And the future today is: we have a new
United States Senator. I congratulate Al Franken and his victory in
this election."


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vimhlub  
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From: vimhlub <vimh...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 10:56:17 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: Can Hmong Politician be this HONORABLE?
Coleman was trying to save his own face.  You must not be very bright
to fall for such a ruse.  You are right in seeing that Hmong
politicians will not be so low.  Why don't you ask yourself why such
an honorable man will bring suit in the first place?

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John  
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From: John <yango...@live.com>
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 11:21:08 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: Can Hmong Politician be this HONORABLE?
On Jul 1, 11:13 am, All4One <jim_...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I DON'T THINK SO!  Your thougths?

> A qoute from Norm Coleman's defeat to Al Franken for the senate seat
> race.

> "We have reached the point where further litigation damages the unity
> of our state, which is also fundamental. In these tough times, we all
> need to focus on the future. And the future today is: we have a new
> United States Senator. I congratulate Al Franken and his victory in
> this election."

All4one,

Can koj tsis paub txog Malikas tej politic li.  Thaum luag yeej los
luag yeej muaj ib co lus zoo los hais thaum luag ho swb lawm los luag
muaj ib co lus zoo los hais na.  That just saying that he was being
defeated, losing side, nothing can change, and only accepted the
defeat and unity no los mos.  Cas tseem tsis paub thiab es tseem los
cem hmoob thiab.  Don't compare apple to orange.  Hmoob politic and
maslikas politic is not equal thiab hmoob never had and never will
have politic and some psychology and game in the hmoob culture like
wedding and funeral services.


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Xavzoo  
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From: Xavzoo <koj...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 13:18:21 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Thurs, Jul 2 2009 6:18 am
Subject: Re: Can Hmong Politician be this HONORABLE?
On Jul 1, 11:13 am, All4One <jim_...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I DON'T THINK SO!  Your thougths?

> A qoute from Norm Coleman's defeat to Al Franken for the senate seat
> race.

> "We have reached the point where further litigation damages the unity
> of our state, which is also fundamental. In these tough times, we all
> need to focus on the future. And the future today is: we have a new
> United States Senator. I congratulate Al Franken and his victory in
> this election."

ALL4One,

Yog ib qho sob kawm.

Peb yuav tau kawm luag tej ncauj lus zoo thaum muaj tus yeej thiab
muaj tus swb peb thiaj yuav nyob tau uake paub sib yoog. Peb tej kev
tawg tshwj uas muaj tsis tu ncua twb yog tsis xyaum txos yus li hwj
chim thiaj sawv sib tawm tsam tas ib txhis HMOOB. Tus nyuj sib nraus
yeej swb xwb twb ua rau peb tau cim ntsoov. Rooj tshoob kos tsis tshua
haum sib xwb los twb caws ib rooj ntxiab tseg rau lwm zaus luag tuaj
yuav yus li ntxhais thiab nkauj muam. Peb Hmoob kawm thiab xyaum tiag
tiag nawb.

Xav Zoo


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Born2beMhong  
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From: Born2beMhong <truelove_never...@yahoo.com>
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 13:21:55 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: Can Hmong Politician be this HONORABLE?
  Jim,

You are corrected, and i don't think that John and Vimhlub understand
your intent of the question. If Hmong politicians can put away their
praises and say something as Norm Coleman said in public—it would be
great.  However, our young generation can do it without any
hesitation. These kind and warm words can forbearance both the tension
of the public as well as saving one’s own face and reputation as who
you are.

Born


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vimhlub  
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From: vimhlub <vimh...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 16:17:23 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: Can Hmong Politician be this HONORABLE?

> You are corrected, and i don't think that John and Vimhlub understand
> your intent of the question.

Yes, he is CORRECTED.  We understood the clown intended to throw a low
blow at Hmong politicians at the cost of the good former Senator
Coleman.

>If Hmong politicians can put away their
> praises and say something as Norm Coleman said in public—it would be
> great.  

How can putting away ones praises be great in public?  Praising an
honorable man is the right thing to do.  However, one should "put
away" ones praises for those who merely tries to save his own face.
What good is it to put Hmong people below a sore loser?  I am not
saying that Coleman is a loser but your JIM-bo seems to suggest that
Hmong politicians are less than a loser.

> However, our young generation can do it without any
> hesitation.

That's right.  Your young generation will "do" anything without
hesitation, especially putting away your praises for the Hmong.

> These kind and warm words can forbearance both the tension
> of the public as well as saving one’s own face and reputation as who
> you are.

What???? Me no understand what you say.  I didn't know "forbearance"
is a verb.  Your younger generation no like Hmong but you too far from
American.

In case you and your JIM-bo didn't know, the both of you had just
trashed Coleman's good speech.


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hmong  
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From: hmong <plum_vill...@hotmail.com>
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 21:19:34 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Thurs, Jul 2 2009 2:19 pm
Subject: Re: Can Hmong Politician be this HONORABLE?
I'm under no illusions, that Coleman campaign saw they had to pay many
dollars for legal fees and being realistic and truthful too, saw it
was the time, to give up the fight.

But Norm is a good man, I saw him at the LaRusso Brothers restuarant
over in East St. Paul once, having dinner. I hope we see him back.

It is not possible to know the true goings on of what happened in the
Minnesota Senate Race and it was indeed a bit of a dirty race between
he and Franklin.  But Norm seems to be a good guy like Bruce Vento
was.


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From: Hmong-Lao <Hmlao...@hotmail.com>
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 06:49:29 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: Can Hmong Politician be this HONORABLE?
Cov Phoojywg,
Kuv saib mas nej hais nkaus li txhua txhua tus Hmoob coj lub siab
nqaim nqaim thiab cib cib nyeej tas zog. Tej zauj nej ho pom ntawm
qhov muag kiag lawm, tabsis ntawm kuv, kuv yeej pom Hmoob tsa nom los
lawm ntau zaus, tabsis ho tsis tau pom muaj ib zaug twg uas tus swb
yuav cib nyeej thiab ua caub ua chim rau tus yeej thiab. Qhov hnov ces
tsuas yog dabneeg txog Lauj Npliaj Yob thiab Lis Foom tsev neeg xwb.
Tabsis qhov dabneeg kuv hnov no mas tejzaum nws muaj ntau dua li qhov
nej hnov lawm. Dhaum ntawm kev xaiv tsa yeej thiab xwb no lawm, ib
qhov loj loj uas ua rau ob tse neeg no sib tawg mas yog muaj neeg siv
tom txwv lawm. Lub tom txwv lawv siv ntawd ces yog khawb Lauj Npliaj
Yob lub ntxa thiab pov quav rau Lis Foom tsev neeg. Luag lub tom txwv
no yog ua kom Hmoob tawg ua ob pab, kom Hmoob lub zog ntaug, kom Hmoob
tsis sib haum xeeb, kom Hmoob mus chawj mus chiab luag. Txog qhov kawg
ces Hmoob mus mag luag lub voj hluas lawm tiag, peb thiaj li muaj
dabneeg hais li peb niaj hnub hais no.

Li no, kuv thiaj xav kom peb cov hluas txheej tshiab no, ua ntej yuav
hais dabtsi, yuav ua dabtsi, peb yuav tsum xyuas kom meej meej mam ua
thiaj tsis mag luag lub voj hluas ntxiv lawm.

HL


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Born2beMhong  
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From: Born2beMhong <truelove_never...@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 07:16:17 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: Can Hmong Politician be this HONORABLE?
HL,

Vimhlub nej lam hais kom zoo mloog xwb...yog tias Coleman thiab
Franken nkawv yog hmoob mas xyov tseem yuav kwv phom kwv riam sib tua
li cas lawm nawb.  yog koj muab xav tias, yog xaiv nom tswv es nws
yeej swb zoo zoo es cias li tsum zoo zoo lawm xwb mas yog nawb.

yog tias yeej zoo li Coleman thiab Franken nkawv no lawm es yeej
xyuampaj sibfoob mus txog hauvnom hauvtswv li nkawv ua no lawm tiag
tiag mas, ntshe tseem yuav sib tua tuag kiag mas thiaj li tag nawb,
hmoob nav.  twb tsi yog sawvcev rov los nqua hus rau cov lus rau
pejxeem li Coleman hais kom sawvdaws rov los ua pab ua pawg los sib
pab rau lub neej tshiab tom ntej no nawb, ntshe hmoob tseem yuav rov
los sib tshum thiab nkaug lwm yam nawb.

qhov no, vim peb haivneeg hmoob no lub siab tseem miv miv thiab tsi
txawj tsi ntse--es hauv yus lubsiab txawm yuav chim npaum li cas los
yus yuav tsum txawj hais los me lus moj lus muag thiab lus qabzib los
dib rau pejxeem kom lawv hos thimxav thiab kajsiab mus rau lawm tagkhi
nawb.  yog li no, Jim thiab peb ob peb tug thiaj li hais li peb hais
no.  qhov no, yog qhov peb xam pom thiab yog txoj kev ntshaw ua peb
xav kom Hmoob/Moob pauv lawv tus xeebceem thiab cwjpwm kom lub neej
pegsuab hos zoo zujzus moog nuav xwb.

xav tias haiv miv miv le nuav, sawv daws yuav nkagsab zoo txaus lawm.

Born2b2Hmong


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Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 07:23:35 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: Can Hmong Politician be this HONORABLE?
smile@Vimhlub...

tos kuv hais li los kuv cov me npawg no mas--peb tuaj hauv no, yeej
tsi nyeem peb tej me ntawv ua peb ntau li nawb....sau tsua tsua kom
mus raw li yus lub lajlim tswv8 xwb.  txawm hos sau tsi rau qhov twg
lawm los---kawg tus neeg tawvdawb kiag xwb twb ua tsi tau li yus ua
lawm thiab...thov qhua koj tus me ua npawg...tabtsi txhob poobsiab,
peb qhabnab no ces tug yeej pauv tsi tau tug li ntag
nawb....LOLz@Zhen, yog yuav coj los ua ke es hais txog tej nyuag lus
Ameska no xwb os...smile kiag 3 suab!

if you don't understand any of our comparison and/or interpretation in
regard to Mr. Coleman’s statements, please ask...smile!

Born2beHmong


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Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 07:36:19 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: Can Hmong Politician be this HONORABLE?
HL

Qhov koj hais koj los yog vim hmoob lub siab me siab nqaim thiab xav
kom yus ib leeg ua tus loj xwb. Yog hmoob siab loj siab dav mas txawm
yuav khawb ntxa los nws muaj nws txoj cai, yuav tau taug saib leej twg
yog tus khawb thiab yuav tau muab teem txim raws txoj cai xwb tsi tsim
nyog sib faib ua ob pab sib ntaus sib tua.

Cov py thiab born2

Twb tsi hais yuav sib foob txog hauv xam los tseem los hais lus zoo
nqua hu kom pej xeem sib haum xeeb nav. Yog mus txog nram xam lawm
cais yeej yog yeeb ncuab mus ib txhis li lawm los maj, koj twb pom DYD
thiab VP, LT lawv sib ua sib ua pem St. Paul ko es nim no ib leeg liam
ib leeg ua liab thiab yeeb ncuab ua rau hmoob tsi sib haum xeeb tas
nrho neb. Nej twb pom VP thiab yawg PK lawv tus twg los xav ua tus loj
es kas moos thiaj tsi mus tsi los, ua ua PK mag tua kiag hos VP mag
hlob kav hlau kiag neb.

Yog peb yuav hloov hmoob mas peb yuav tau muab tej kev cov laus coj
tsi zoo no los hais kom meej txhob ntshai ntshai tub qaug lawv li
lawb, vim lawv yeej coj tsi zoo thiab ua qauv tsi zoo rau hmoob thiaj
coj hmoob mus tau kev twg thiab puam tsuaj nej. Pab cov laus thiab
hmoob tu siab uas cov laus muaj opportunity los cawm hmoob tsi cawm
hmoob tiag tiag tiamsis muab hmoob lua liaj saum neraub qaum noj xwb
nim no hmoob thiaj twg kev tas.

Nim no peb ua tsi tau dab tsi lawm, kawg yuav tau yoog luag haiv neeg
yus nrog luag nyob lawm xwb. Kev yuav sau hmoob los ua ib haiv muaj
teb muaj chaw mas tsawg tsawg kawg tiamsis yog nrog luag haiv neeg yug
nrog nyob sib tw ua neej kom haum luag mas tseem muaj thiab yog lub
hom phiaj yuav ua lawm xwb. Hais li no xwb laub.


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From: vimhlub <vimh...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 07:44:28 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: Can Hmong Politician be this HONORABLE?

> Vimhlub nej lam hais kom zoo mloog xwb...yog tias Coleman thiab
> Franken nkawv yog hmoob mas xyov tseem yuav kwv phom kwv riam sib tua
> li cas lawm nawb.  yog koj muab xav tias, yog xaiv nom tswv es nws
> yeej swb zoo zoo es cias li tsum zoo zoo lawm xwb mas yog nawb.

Born,

Koj hais yog lawm laiv.  Nej cov Hmoob ses yog pom leej twg ua phem no
ces txawm muab piv kiag tias "yog nej no nej tseem yuav ua phem tshaj
ntawd thiab" no laiv.  Txawm nej cov Hmoob zoo li ntawd los tsis txhob
muab nej cov Hmoob coj los piv rau peb cov Hmoob.  Peb thiab nej sib
txawv lawm deb heev os.

> yog tias yeej zoo li Coleman thiab Franken nkawv no lawm es yeej
> xyuampaj sibfoob mus txog hauvnom hauvtswv li nkawv ua no lawm tiag
> tiag mas, ntshe tseem yuav sib tua tuag kiag mas thiaj li tag nawb,
> hmoob nav.  twb tsi yog sawvcev rov los nqua hus rau cov lus rau
> pejxeem li Coleman hais kom sawvdaws rov los ua pab ua pawg los sib
> pab rau lub neej tshiab tom ntej no nawb, ntshe hmoob tseem yuav rov
> los sib tshum thiab nkaug lwm yam nawb.

Yog dua lawm.  Nej ces yeej zoo li ntawd los mas.  Tabsis tsis txhob
xav tias nej zoo li ntawd ces ntshe Hmoob yuav zoo li ntawd no.  Ua li
cas nej lub zeem muag yuav ntiav ua luaj li?  Yus phem xwb ces txawm
siv xav zoj tias ntshe ntiaj teb mas phem ib yam li yus thiab no ntag?

> qhov no, vim peb haivneeg hmoob no lub siab tseem miv miv thiab tsi
> txawj tsi ntse--es hauv yus lubsiab txawm yuav chim npaum li cas los
> yus yuav tsum txawj hais los me lus moj lus muag thiab lus qabzib los
> dib rau pejxeem kom lawv hos thimxav thiab kajsiab mus rau lawm tagkhi
> nawb.  

Yog lawm.  Nej yeej tsis txawj tsis ntse thiab siab mas yeej miv miv
tiag.  Cia kuv loo miv ntsiag ntxiv rau --  Nej mas pom twb tsis deb
tshaj ntawm taw.  Pom leej twg ua phem kiag ces muab sau tag nrho rau
nej ev.  Pom leej twg ua zoo no ces xav tias nej yeej ua tsis tau li
ntawd.  Nej ces ntshe yuav nrog kev phem sib puag tuag li laud.

> yog li no, Jim thiab peb ob peb tug thiaj li hais li peb hais
> no.  qhov no, yog qhov peb xam pom

Yog lawm.  Nej yeej tsuas pom li nej pom thiab hais li nej txawj hais
xwb.  Nej kev txawj hais ces yeej tsis tshaj li qhov nej pom thiab nej
kev txawj pom ces yeej tsis tshaj li qhov nej hais.

> thiab yog txoj kev ntshaw ua peb
> xav kom Hmoob/Moob pauv lawv tus xeebceem thiab cwjpwm kom lub neej
> pegsuab hos zoo zujzus moog nuav xwb.

> xav tias haiv miv miv le nuav, sawv daws yuav nkagsab zoo txaus lawm.

Peb nkag siab zoo lawm los mas.  Neb twb hais li nej txawj xwb nes.


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Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 07:55:40 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: Can Hmong Politician be this HONORABLE?
LOL@vimhlub,

ua li cas yuav tsi txawv kuv me npawg tiag tiag li laud...LOLz!  tos
kuv hais tias yuav nrog kuv cov me npawg no sibtham thiab sibcam xwb
mas...yuav hais mus txog ntujkag los yeej tham tsi txawj tag no, muaj
tiag....smile kiag 3 suab!  dhau li ntawd, ua tsaug kiag rau koj tus
ua npawg cov lus zoo thiab qhua nawb....LOLz!

yog tias peb haivneeg tseem coj zoo li no xwb tiag mas, peb hmoob
tseem nyob deb ntawm txoj kev sibhaumxeeb thiab kev cojnoj cojuas
nawb...tos peb haivneeg hmoob no ua npaum li cas puas tuamtshoj los
txog xovtshoj no los pheej mus tsi nto ntsi li, ntshe yeej yog vim
muaj tej no tiag nev, Yawgnom.

Yawgnom...koj puas yog kuv me phoojywg Thornsp mas?  ua li cas, zoo li
koj pheej yuav join peb qhabnab Thornsp no ua luaj li thiab...LOLz!
tabsi, koj cov lus yeej tsi povtseg kiag nawb, koj yeej hais yog lus
lawm ntau  thiab muab reason txau los support koj lub zeemmuag ua koj
pom lawm, ua tsaug.

Born2beHmong


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Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 07:56:01 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: Can Hmong Politician be this HONORABLE?
On Jul 2, 7:23 am, Born2beMhong <truelove_never...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> smile@Vimhlub...

> tos kuv hais li los kuv cov me npawg no mas--peb tuaj hauv no, yeej
> tsi nyeem peb tej me ntawv ua peb ntau li nawb....sau tsua tsua kom
> mus raw li yus lub lajlim tswv8 xwb.  

Paub zoo lawm os.  Nej ces yeej tsaus sau xwb yeej tsis nyeem
li...thiab nej twb sau tsis tshaj li nej lub lajlim tswv yim los mas.
Paub zoo kawg.

> txawm hos sau tsi rau qhov twg
> lawm los---kawg tus neeg tawvdawb kiag xwb twb ua tsi tau li yus ua
> lawm thiab...thov qhua koj tus me ua npawg...tabtsi txhob poobsiab,
> peb qhabnab no ces tug yeej pauv tsi tau tug li ntag

Pom tseeb lawm tias nej qhabnab ces ib tug yeej pauv tsis tau ib tug
li los mas.  Ua li cas yuav ntxim tu siab ua luaj li tiag laud.  Nej
ces txawm tas li no lawm xwb ntag?  Txawm tsis muaj tshaj li?  O, ciav
cuag niag neeg tawv dawb twb tsis cuag nej lawm ntag...tsis paub xyov
yuav pab tu siab los xyov yuav pab qhuas nej li os.  Ua li cas nej
yuav pom tseeb ua luaj li?  hallucination!

> nawb....LOLz@Zhen, yog yuav coj los ua ke es hais txog tej nyuag lus
> Ameska no xwb os...smile kiag 3 suab!

> if you don't understand any of our comparison and/or interpretation in
> regard to Mr. Coleman’s statements, please ask...smile!

O, I understand you completely.  No more questions.


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Hmong-Lao  
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From: Hmong-Lao <Hmlao...@hotmail.com>
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 09:36:20 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Fri, Jul 3 2009 2:36 am
Subject: Re: Can Hmong Politician be this HONORABLE?
On Jul 2, 9:36 am, yawgnom <yawg...@rocketmail.com> wrote:

> HL

> Qhov koj hais koj los yog vim hmoob lub siab me siab nqaim thiab xav
> kom yus ib leeg ua tus loj xwb. Yog hmoob siab loj siab dav mas txawm
> yuav khawb ntxa los nws muaj nws txoj cai, yuav tau taug saib leej twg
> yog tus khawb thiab yuav tau muab teem txim raws txoj cai xwb tsi tsim
> nyog sib faib ua ob pab sib ntaus sib tua.

Py Yawgnom,
Nyaj koj yuav paub zoo txog Hmoob txoj kev ntseeg hais txog sawvtoj
thiab loojmem lawm. Hmoob ntseeg hais tias cov nyob yuav tau nom tau
tswv, muaj txiag nplua nuj, ua qoob loo zoo los yuav tsum yog tej laus
tau zoo loojmem. Yog yus muab tej laus faus rau qhov twg lawm mas yeej
txwv tsis pub khawb tawm li lawm. Yog khawb tawm mas yuav ua vij sub
vij sw rau tsev neeg uas nyob tom qab, thiab lub zoo loojmem yuav raug
rhuav nrog rau yus tus xwvfeej ua nom ua tswv yuav puas tsuaj mus.

Koj sim xav seb, thaum xaiv nom los yus swb; yus txiv lub ntxha tseem
raug khawb kom yus xwvfeej tuag mus thiab; puas tsim nyog xav tau ntau
yam?. Yeej xwj kawg kev lawm ntes tsis tau tus khawb, yuav coj leej
twg mus teem txim? Tej no thiaj ua rau Lauj Npliaj Yob tsev neeg txias
siab thiab khiav tawm nrug deb ntawm Lis Foom tsev neeg mus. Thaum no
Hmoob thiaj li tawg ua ob pab pawg loj loj. Ib pab thiaj mus nrog
Nplog sab Laug, ib pab thiaj li nrog Nplog sab Xis lawm.

PY B2BH,
Kuv tsis follow up txog ob yawg uas nej piav no hais tias nkawv tej
teebmeem mus li cas rau li cas. Tabsis yog thaum yus xaiv tsa tag es
ho los sib foob ces yeej tsis yog neeg zoo, ib tug tsis nkaus los ib
tug nkaus es thiaj muaj tej xwm txheej no. Tabsis kuv yeej agree li
sawvdaws hais thiab, yog thaum yus swb lawm los yus yuav tau lees
txais yus txoj kev swb, txawm yus yuav chim siab npaum li cas los lo
lus yus hais tawm yuav tsum hais li lawv hais no thiaj li yog qhov
zoo. Qhov kuv tsis tshua agree mas nej hais tias Hmoob coj phem dua
nkawv. Qhov tseeb, tus phem los yeej muaj, tabsis tus zoo los yeej
muaj, tsis hais Hmoob los lwm haiv neeg li. Ib tug Hmoob ua phem tsis
tau txhais hais tias ib tsoom Hmoob phem.

HL


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From: kemosabesan <kemosabe...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 09:55:01 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Fri, Jul 3 2009 2:55 am
Subject: Re: Can Hmong Politician be this HONORABLE?
On Jul 1, 11:19 pm, hmong <plum_vill...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> I'm under no illusions, that Coleman campaign saw they had to pay many
> dollars for legal fees and being realistic and truthful too, saw it
> was the time, to give up the fight.

> But Norm is a good man, I saw him at the LaRusso Brothers restuarant
> over in East St. Paul once, having dinner. I hope we see him back.

> It is not possible to know the true goings on of what happened in the
> Minnesota Senate Race and it was indeed a bit of a dirty race between
> he and Franklin.  But Norm seems to be a good guy like Bruce Vento
> was.

Only a CLUELESS HMONG REPUBLICAN like PLUM VILLAGE (aka Hmong) from
Minnesota would make such ridiculous statements:

"But Norm is a good man, I saw him at the LaRusso Brothers restuarant
over in East St. Paul once, having dinner. I hope we see him back."

I'm sure that even some Hmong MN Democrats know that it's Yarusso
Bros. Restaurant, NOT LaRusso!

Here's more: "It is not possible to know the true goings on of what
happened in the Minnesota Senate Race and it was indeed a bit of a
dirty race between he and Franklin."

Who's Franklin? (not to be confused with that guy on the $100 bill, of
course).

Here's a kicker: "But Norm seems to be a good guy like Bruce Vento
was."

What? Norm is NOTHING like Bruce Vento! They're complete opposites,
including political parties! Hello!

The state of Hmong Republicans in MN, or anywhere, is quite sad...like
Plum Village have plainly illustrated here.


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Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 13:53:07 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Fri, Jul 3 2009 6:53 am
Subject: Re: Can Hmong Politician be this HONORABLE?
HL,

txhob hab deb deb nad yuav, yus li community xwb ces yus twb paub zoo
txaus lawm os PY. npawm li no, peb thiaj li achieve tsi tau ib
txoj ...nyob rau txhua lub zos li mas.

vim hlub,

Many times I have seen high potential people fail because they lacked
growth potential.  Unable to learn from their mistakes, they would not
accpet constructive criticism, and they used their intelligence to
defend themselves rather than listen, learn, and grow.

smile!

Born


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Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 15:23:12 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Fri, Jul 3 2009 8:23 am
Subject: Re: Can Hmong Politician be this HONORABLE?
Ib tsoom bojyaig,

Kuv noog mej sib caam zoo le nyuj moog nyuj, neeg moog neeg. Peb yog
cov tseem hluas zog peb twb pum tej nuav lawm ces peb kawm, muab khaws
tseg, hab fau rua huv peb lub hlwb es thaum txug yug lawm yuav tau siv
luag tej tswvyim nuav vim lub sawm fem nuav tsi yog thaum  1800-1900
tabsi yog 22nd century lawm.

Peb yuav tau kawm tag-g es peb xob ua le tej laug lub neej qub qaab
lawm.

Kuv saib AFL and NFL play superball. Thaum kawg kws 2 teams yuav moog
play superball, 2 tug coach has tas tsi yog peb 2 teams nuav moog play
xwb tabsi yog taag nro AFL hab NFL moog play hab yog suavdlawg yeej.

Yog peb Moob mas tshe tseem has tas peb 2 teams nuav yog 2 team keej
tshaaj es peb txhaj moog txug superball. Mej puas xaa le ntawd?.

MT


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hmong  
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From: hmong <plum_vill...@hotmail.com>
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 21:18:01 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Fri, Jul 3 2009 2:18 pm
Subject: Re: Can Hmong Politician be this HONORABLE?
On Jul 2, 11:55 am, kemosabesan <kemosabe...@gmail.com> wrote:

At least, Vento wasn't as much a baby killer as some of the dimwits
are.

"YES on barring transporting minors to get an abortion: Strongly
Opposes topic 1" - http://www.ontheissues.org/House/Bruce_Vento.htm

I just think both are good Minnesotans, Obama is taking this country
down, his popularity is way down. Kemosabe must be the sad sack here.

We can't trust Franklin's election, ACORN got caught again today,
Obama needed someone to hug and it was a Democratic operative, staged.


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hmong  
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From: hmong <plum_vill...@hotmail.com>
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 21:30:14 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Fri, Jul 3 2009 2:30 pm
Subject: Re: Can Hmong Politician be this HONORABLE?
On Jul 2, 11:55 am, kemosabesan <kemosabe...@gmail.com> wrote:

So it is YaRusso Brothers or whatever, QUIEN NO SABE, SHOULD BE YOUR
NAME, KEMOSABESEN, YOU KNOW, THE LONE RANGER WAS QUIEN NO SABE, WHO
DOES NOT KNOW AND THE INDIAN WAS TONTO. YARUSSO, LARUSSO, I THOUGHT OF
THE SPELLING AFTERWARDS, IF IT OFFENDS YOU CLUELESS SO MUCH WHY DON'T
YOU DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT YOU BULLY!!!

Vento votes for adoptions for gay couples in DC, check, abhorrent,
Vento votes against parents to be able to fund their own children's
education to private or parochial schools, check.  A very horrible
voting record it is.

Hello!!! Bully???


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Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 21:31:40 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Fri, Jul 3 2009 2:31 pm
Subject: Re: Can Hmong Politician be this HONORABLE?
On Jul 2, 11:55 am, kemosabesan <kemosabe...@gmail.com> wrote:

KEMOSABEN, THE BULLY, SO YOU ARE SAYING WHAT?? THAT NORM COLEMAN IS
NOT A GOOD MAN?? IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING? OR ARE YOU SAYING THAT
BRUCE VENTO WAS NOT A GOOD MAN??? THAT THEY ARE NOT GOOD
MINNESOTANS??? THAT HAS YOU BROWBEATING PEOPLE YOU BULLY AND YELLING
AT PEOPLE IN CAPS??? HUH???

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Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 21:33:57 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Fri, Jul 3 2009 2:33 pm
Subject: Re: Can Hmong Politician be this HONORABLE?
On Jul 2, 11:55 am, kemosabesan <kemosabe...@gmail.com> wrote:

KEMOSABESEN?? FIRST POST IN TWO YEAR: SOCK PUPPET TO LONE WOLF?? OKAY,
i WASN'T RIGHT TO LONE WOLF THAT ONE TIME, HOWEVER PEOPLE LIKE CHE
GUEVARA AND FIDEL CASTRO ARE OR WERE PART OF REPRESSIVE COMMUNIST
REGIMES.  YOU USE CAPS, I CAN TO.

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Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 07:14:17 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sat, Jul 4 2009 12:14 am
Subject: Re: Can Hmong Politician be this HONORABLE?
Vim thiab cov PY awd!

Cov Hmoob twg yog cov zoo...nyob rau Fresno es lam yog cov nom loj li
Al thiab Norm nkawv los cas cov non-profit xwb es twb yuav sib tua na
hais txog sib txeeb ua nom Hmoob  xwb na.  It is the same in MN for
the non-profit org(s) yeej muaj problem ib yam li thiab.  Nej pom lawv
qhov saga awhile back ua neeg tua Lao Family lub office and VP tus tub
lub tsev kubnyiab.

Cov Coj li DYD, Lee Teng and VP lawv los lawv yeej muaj lawv qhov
issue twb tsis kam los hais ib lus li Norm rau cov pejxeem kom
sawvdaws ua ib ke.  Cov ua haus lwm rau sab human rights los yeej zoo
ib yam li thiab...cov no los yeej tsis nov hais ib los lus kom
sawvdaws los ua ib ke li.  Kuv muaj kuv ib pab tim DD…koj muaj koj ib
pab tim DD.

Nyob rau WI kiag xwb kuv twb pom happened rau Green Bay lub non-profit
ua nws plam kiag...Oshkosh lub los plam kiag..Madison lub los tseem
sibfoob sibfood thiab yeej tsis kam los hais lus ua kes li lawm.

Yog li cov Hmoob zoo duas qhov twg tam li lawm!!!!

MT...
Cov nyuag ua heev heev ces txawm yog cov nyuag hmoob ua twb txawj lus
nplog tim ub tuag lawm la mas...cov nyob li thaum 40 xyoos rov sov.

Peb cov hluas ua tsis nyiam mloog kwvtxiaj thiab nkauj nplog lawm mas
tiaj li pauv tau nawb...

TxawjLem-


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Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 07:54:49 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sat, Jul 4 2009 12:54 am
Subject: Re: Can Hmong Politician be this HONORABLE?
On Jul 2, 11:31 pm, hmong <plum_vill...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Plum Village - I didn't really want to say it, but here goes...typical
Hmong Republican...making no sense and perpetually self defeating, if
not outright contradictory in every way.

Looks like you're proving yourself to be the one writing in all caps,
in 3 consecutive postings! I must be hitting that nerve just right.

Let's see here, first you said: "But Norm seems to be a good guy like
Bruce Vento was."

Then you said that Bruce Vento's voting record was "horrible" and
"abhorrent." According to this logic, that "Norm seems to be a good
guy like Bruce Vento was," then Norm's voting record should also
horrible and abhorrent, which might actually be true.

It's funny that you would call me a "bully" when all I did was quote
your own senseless contradictions. Name callings seems to be the only
things Republicans have left, or are good at these days, or has it
always been that way? Yes, it's a historical fact that the past 8
years under Bush/Cheney were horrible and abhorant....but this new
revelation that we now have a Hmong Republican crony like Plum Village
here regurgitating the same tired lines from Right Wing nuts like Rush
Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity, and locally, Jason Lewis and
Tom Barnard...is worth the discussion.


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Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 07:57:26 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: Can Hmong Politician be this HONORABLE?
Kwv Txawjlem,

Kuv pum nyob rua ntau-au lub xeev kws muaj Moob coob mas tej koomhum
tsi yog koom hum tabsi yog koomtshum xwb. Moob nyam siv tug cwjpwm
moog le Moob lub sab xaav. Moob feem ntau lub qhov muag tseem pum ze-e
ntawd Moob txhais kutaw, ua nraw kev chim sab. Koj xaav tas koj xeem
coob, kuv xaav tas kuv xeem ntse. Ce sib tw xeem tsi kaam sib tw ceem
( ceem kom ntse) kom ntse tag-g lug paab Moob lub neej lawm yaav
pegsuab.
Peb twb nyob rua lub tebchaw kws vaammeej kawg lawm peb yuav tau kawm
luas tej txuj ci hab lub sab ntsw kws coj tuab neeg tsi yog Moob xwb
tabsi kom peb coj tau luas pej kum haiv hab yog thaum peb sawv tau hab
peb txawm. Tsi yog peb tseem tsi kaam tso Moob lub sab lim ham dlai
ntuj nyob Suav teb, Nyaablaajteb, Nplog teb, Thaibteb tseg ce peb
yeej yog ib haiv tsi tau koob moov ntawd Tswvntuj.

Ua le koj has ntau-au lub koomhum mas sib tshum, sib foob kom koj
tuag, kuv tuag. Yog thaum Moob cov koom hum tuag yog leej twg ua tug
tau qhov benefit, yog Moob los lwm haiv? yog yug Moob xwb.
Peb cov hluas yuav tau pauv peb tag-g es xob has lwm tug tabsi yug
yuav tau pauv yug tug kheej kom lwm tug pum es lwm tug kawm. Peb ua
neej nyob yog yuav kom yug muaj nuj nqe ces kuv, koj peb cov nuav yuav
tau ua ib yaam kws luas kawm ntawd yug coj moog ua luas lub neej mas
txhaj yog yug hlub Moob.

Thanks,

MT


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