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samphong  
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From: samphong <samphon...@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 10:27:18 -0800 (PST)
Local: Mon, Nov 9 2009 5:27 am
Subject: To Dr. Pao - Clear The Air
Clear the air, Dr. Pao.

Seems you are full of contradictions. Sadly, in the same ways of Yong
Chanthalangsy! Just re-read your contradictory statement!

You said, "As for my trip, it was an enjoyable trip indeed with no
official engagement, only visiting few people like Achan Vichit at
Thaluang
(more photo to come..), HE Khenthong and catch up with few friends (Dr
Bounkhuang and Dr Khamphad (the husband of Pany)"

Khenthong may be your friend, but he is also the official national
spokesperson of the one-party Hammer and Sickle government run by Lao
People's Revolutionary Party.

Dr Khamphad may be your friend, but he is also the husband of the Pany
Yathotou, a Politburo Member of the Lao People's Revolutionary Party,
the neucleus of that country's one party rule.

It is no wonder extremists on both sides (Yong on the one hand and his
critics on the other), have no respect for you. You're a living
contradiction unto yourself.


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tseemyeej  
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From: tseemyeej <tseemy...@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 10:58:35 -0800 (PST)
Local: Mon, Nov 9 2009 5:58 am
Subject: Re: To Dr. Pao - Clear The Air
Show off, maybe?

TseemYeej.


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ກາສາລາວ  
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From: ກາສາລາວ <casa...@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 10:58:57 -0800 (PST)
Local: Mon, Nov 9 2009 5:58 am
Subject: Re: To Dr. Pao - Clear The Air
i doubt that drpao has fallen in love with the hammer and sickle flag.
family obligations and the good life dictate some of the moves.

http://s269.photobucket.com/albums/jj58/casalao/?action=view¤t=...


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ລາວພວນ ລາວຮັກຊາດ  
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From: ລາວພວນ ລາວຮັກຊາດ <phet...@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 11:18:19 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: To Dr. Pao - Clear The Air
On Nov 8, 10:58 am, tseemyeej <tseemy...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Show off, maybe?

> TseemYeej.

As you can see high educated people never talk from imagination,
only talk from what they saw, sorry for your disappointment...

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yawgnomdub  
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From: yawgnomdub <yawg...@rocketmail.com>
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 11:21:05 -0800 (PST)
Local: Mon, Nov 9 2009 6:21 am
Subject: Re: To Dr. Pao - Clear The Air
On 8 Nov, 12:58, ກາສາລາວ <casa...@gmail.com> wrote:

> i doubt that drpao has fallen in love with the hammer and sickle flag.
> family obligations and the good life dictate some of the moves.

> http://s269.photobucket.com/albums/jj58/casalao/?action=view¤t=...

I agree

May be lpdr already give dr. pao $1 million for him to eliminate the
people who oppose lpdr who know. If so he will be richer than usual,
must be
careful for some untrust person.


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 More options Nov 9, 6:24 am
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From: vaajmoob <vaajm...@yahoo.com>
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 11:24:16 -0800 (PST)
Local: Mon, Nov 9 2009 6:24 am
Subject: Re: To Dr. Pao - Clear The Air
casalao, dr.pov han bo man long hak nam hammer le thong sickle han
dok, pheun han man long hak nam phusao lao gnamx le noumx you muaen
lao han na, kho thi pheun pai savan han ko man wa you savan han mi
phousao viet laix le ko aloi aloi lai,
vmged
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ກາສາລາວ  
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From: ກາສາລາວ <casa...@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 11:41:32 -0800 (PST)
Local: Mon, Nov 9 2009 6:41 am
Subject: Re: To Dr. Pao - Clear The Air
ຮາຮາຮາ... ດຣ. ປາວພັງເພງນີ້ເດີ ດຽວນີ້.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXlWGOWW9ng
ມົນຮັກສາວສວັນນີ້ ມັນແຮງແທ້ໆເດີ ອັນນີ້ແມ່ນຕາມປະຊົບປະການເດີ.
ຮາຮາຮາ... ຜູ້ທາງໃນຢາກອອກ ຜູ້ທາງນອກຢາກເຂົ້າໄປເບິ່ງຂອງດີ.

ແນ່ນອນວ່າ ດຣ. ປາວຈະໄດ້ກິນອອ່ມຂີ້ເລັກແລະ ລາບຊີ້ນສົດຫລາຍກວ່າເກົ່າ.

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ກາສາລາວ  
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From: ກາສາລາວ <casa...@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 11:43:37 -0800 (PST)
Local: Mon, Nov 9 2009 6:43 am
Subject: Re: To Dr. Pao - Clear The Air
ບາດມີເວລາ ຂອ້ຍຊິແຕ່ງເພງ "ມົນຮັກສາວສວັນ" ແບບສົດໆຮອ້ນໆ
ໃຫ້ທຸກຄົນໄດ້ຟັງນໍາກັນເດີ.

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vaajmoob  
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From: vaajmoob <vaajm...@yahoo.com>
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 11:53:05 -0800 (PST)
Local: Mon, Nov 9 2009 6:53 am
Subject: Re: To Dr. Pao - Clear The Air
phinon es, dr. pov pai savan han pai beung sao viet ni na,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJd3Ad8B8UM

pov es pov koj puag has tsua cov hluag nkauj nyablaaj has tas am,am
qoix yi nua naj,koj the nyaj pistsawg naj,meui oz $ lov,
vmged

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ກາສາລາວ  
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From: ກາສາລາວ <casa...@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 11:56:34 -0800 (PST)
Local: Mon, Nov 9 2009 6:56 am
Subject: Re: To Dr. Pao - Clear The Air
ບໍນາ. ຄັນລາວຢາກໄປເບິ່ງສາວວຽດ ຫັ້ນ ເຕັມກັນ ຢູ່ LAO PLAZA HOTEL
ຢູ່ວຽງຈັນເດີ.
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Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 12:02:01 -0800 (PST)
Local: Mon, Nov 9 2009 7:02 am
Subject: Re: To Dr. Pao - Clear The Air
On 8 Nov, 13:56, ກາສາລາວ <casa...@gmail.com> wrote:

> ບໍນາ. ຄັນລາວຢາກໄປເບິ່ງສາວວຽດ ຫັ້ນ ເຕັມກັນ ຢູ່ LAO PLAZA HOTEL
> ຢູ່ວຽງຈັນເດີ.
> On Nov 8, 11:53 am, vaajmoob <vaajm...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > phinon es, dr. pov pai savan han pai beung sao viet ni na,- Hide quoted text -

> - Show quoted text -

 Oil

Khw va thuk khon vao lo le hai dr. pao thek nor. Yak hek hai lao torn
xwk xien de.


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From: vaajmoob <vaajm...@yahoo.com>
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 12:07:15 -0800 (PST)
Local: Mon, Nov 9 2009 7:07 am
Subject: Re: To Dr. Pao - Clear The Air
ynd es, xwb xieng pov han tok you namkhong mot leo na ton thi pheum ao
mea noi han na, pheun het hai toi eng seux bo man phou eun hat hai
pheun dok,
vmged

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DownUnder  
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From: DownUnder <drpao...@dex.hmoob.net>
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 17:06:40 -0800 (PST)
Local: Mon, Nov 9 2009 12:06 pm
Subject: Re: To Dr. Pao - Clear The Air
On Nov 9, 5:27 am, samphong <samphon...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi all,

It is a holiday trip only... ONly want to share my trip with every
one. If I do not say anything, no one would know.  All the photos are
for families and friends to see. There is nothing to hide... so while
in Laos, I met few friends and families; had lunch with few, sang
karoke with few, and caught-up with few just like any tourist. So..
what is wrong with that?

I donot represent any one or any organisation. I went to Laos for a
holiday as my Nepal trip was postponed as I posted earlier due to my
daughter engagement at her University. So it is true that there is NO
official engagement as DKJ said- all the people I met were friends and
family only. HE Khenthong  was LPDR Ambassador to Oz before - so just
catching up with him on personal basis. Dr KHamphad & Dr Bounkhouang
are classmate of my wife! So, we just caught-up with some old friends.
Achan Vichit, Mr Leam Insisiengmay are part of my wife family - so it
is a family matter only.

Hope that I have clear the air!
Will be glad to clarify any further inquiry any time.

DU


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From: DownUnder <drpao...@dex.hmoob.net>
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 17:49:38 -0800 (PST)
Local: Mon, Nov 9 2009 12:49 pm
Subject: Re: To Dr. Pao - Clear The Air
See Lycee Savannakhet website:
http://www.lyceesavanh.net/index_usa/news-usa.htm

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ທ້າວໄຂ່ມືດ  
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From: ທ້າວໄຂ່ມືດ <laon...@hotmail.com>
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 17:52:53 -0800 (PST)
Local: Mon, Nov 9 2009 12:52 pm
Subject: Re: To Dr. Pao - Clear The Air
On Nov 8, 8:06 pm, DownUnder <drpao...@dex.hmoob.net> wrote:

Dr. Pao,

If you are there to peacefully negotiate reconciliation, I applaud
you.  Let the extremists choke on their own vomit for all I care.


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From: dony <phiaj...@hotmail.com>
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 18:31:38 -0800 (PST)
Local: Mon, Nov 9 2009 1:31 pm
Subject: Re: To Dr. Pao - Clear The Air
On Nov 8, 5:52 pm, ທ້າວໄຂ່ມືດ <laon...@hotmail.com> wrote:

My Hmong Friends.

It sounds like wherever Dr. Pao 'Shits" he will be blamed. Some of you
blamed him for going back to Laos to stir trouble in 2006 and some of
you labeled him as VP puppet and now some of you label him as LPDR
puppet.  I am confued. Dony


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From: DownUnder <drpao...@dex.hmoob.net>
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 23:11:39 -0800 (PST)
Local: Mon, Nov 9 2009 6:11 pm
Subject: Re: To Dr. Pao - Clear The Air
On Nov 9, 1:31 pm, dony <phiaj...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Dony...

Li koj hais yog lawm. Tus xav tshum, xav ruav ces lawv yeej take every
opportunity tshum thiab ruav yus. Tabsis, yog yus ua qhov zoo lawm
ces, yus ua yus mus, luag yuav hais npaum twg los nws ua reflection
rau lawv tus kheej  ntawv xwb.  More criticism gives me more POWER!!!
and people ONLY criticise people who are HIGHER than them (you never
criticize any one below you!!).

Tej forum no mas yog ib daim tso-ia ua reflection rau txua tus neeg
uas nkag tuaj post hauv no. Cov tsis kav rau npe los tsis ua licas
tabsis kom sawvdaws nco ntsoov tias:
YOU are who you are always;
Each person's words/ post is a TRUE refection of each inner self (the
truth is that those people do not even realize that fact).

DU


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From: All4One <jim_...@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 07:29:33 -0800 (PST)
Local: Tues, Nov 10 2009 2:29 am
Subject: Re: To Dr. Pao - Clear The Air
ALL,

Amazing isn't it folks?! The old saying that hmoob are like a bunch of
hunting dogs become clearer and clearer as I read more and more of you
people stupid arguments. The "PERSONAL" trip of Dr. Pao, whether
political of not, it's his own personal decision.  What I dont;
undertand is that the minute a high profile person take a perosnal
trip trip/vacation to a communist country...hmoob jumped to the
conclusion that he's up to something no good with the communist
regime. I'm afraid if hmoob can't play politic with hmong's
enemies...hmoob will have no friends and become ashes.  Time to write
a NEW CHAPTER in hmoob's life.  We can't dwell in the past to hinder
our future progress....ua tsaug.

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From: samphong <samphon...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 07:56:23 -0800 (PST)
Local: Tues, Nov 10 2009 2:56 am
Subject: Re: To Dr. Pao - Clear The Air
On Nov 9, 9:29 am, All4One <jim_...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>The "PERSONAL" trip of Dr. Pao, whether political of not, it's his own personal decision.  What I dont; undertand is that the minute a high profile person take a perosnal trip trip/vacation to a communist country...hmoob jumped to the conclusion that he's up to something no good with the communist regime.<

You're equally contradictory in your statement as Dr. Pao was with
his! But you probably don't even realize it!

First, I agree that Dr. Pao's decision to travel to Laos, whether for
personal or politcal reasons, are entirely his own.

My only point and reminder to Dr. Pao is that he's a CONTRADICTION
unto himself by claiming the trip was just personal, while at the same
time showing off to the world that he indeed met with the official Lao
spokesperson for the country run by the Lao People's Revolutionary
Party, and the husband of one of the 11-Member Communist
Politburo...both of whom wielded the very control over the very
policies and politics which he openly argued against for years! It's
not a matter of right or wrong, it's just a matter of his own
credibility...especially in light of his previous positions with those
very government officials!

Second, Jim, if your judgement is true that indeed Dr. Pao is "a high
profile person," then that high profile person's trip/vacation to a
Communist country is indeed significant...especially if that high
profile person has been known to be at direct odds with the very
policies set by his "friends" in high offices of that Communist
country, which he is an ardent critic of. So, you see how easy it is
for anyone to "jump to conclusions."

Finally, I'm sure Dr. Pao has all the good intentions in the world,
and those are truly his best friends and family...but he also has to
realize that his own credibilty is at stake when he turns around and
makes arguments about the Lao PDR. Basically, what it has boiled down
to is...while he has friends and family in the Lao PDR, he has been
rendered so insignificant, politically, by those same people. I read
Yong's continued dismissal and total disrespect for Dr. Pao as an
example of how sad a state Dr. Pao has managed to put himself
into...by his own choices, no mattery how contrary to his own
arguments.


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Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 08:01:22 -0800 (PST)
Local: Tues, Nov 10 2009 3:01 am
Subject: Re: To Dr. Pao - Clear The Air
brother,

just don't bother with these people and the so called hmong leaders;
as far as my concern--hmong people do not  yet know anything about
being leader. however, they would nominate themselves to be in the
high position as he/she can be at, but they fall short on how they
must carry themselves and their own word of wisdom, knowledge and
communications that fits as when, where, how, and what to say at that
special instant moment.

if you don't leave these people behind, you then will be trapped with
them in this low life!

Born2beHmong

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From: All4One <jim_...@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 09:05:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: To Dr. Pao - Clear The Air
SAM,

Your points are well taken...and thanks for explaining your position
in this matter. I understand where you're coming from...I, however,
must insist that politic is not my cup of tea, though I may have shun
a few words of opinions on and off in SCH in regards to the political
state of Laos and that country's political policy in general.  I do
however realized that people/policy of sorts are constantly changing
in an ever changing world. To remain in one confine position/political
ideaology risk too much than if you are engaging with your foes...be
it political or business...you're missing an opportunity to make
changes or profit from a lucurtive business investment. Needless to
say...I stand firmly beleive that Hmoob MUST move forward for the
betterment of our people and our future.  I've seen you presented your
arguments in many views. I hope you'll continue fighting for your
belief in a manner that culminates respect and understanding.  We may
disagree at times, but we can agree to disagree and yet still fight
for one goal. Whatever that goal was/is...I can't said. Ua tsaug!

jim

On Nov 9, 9:56 am, samphong <samphon...@gmail.com> wrote:


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From: Hmoobvajusa <ddkv...@comcast.net>
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 09:34:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: To Dr. Pao - Clear The Air
On Nov 9, 12:05 pm, All4One <jim_...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Jim,
I agree with you 100% . Thank you for the intelligent  comment . Dr
Pao . please visit Hmong villages , too.
Thank you for the pictures . Hmong Love OZ .

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From: samphong <samphon...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 09:50:05 -0800 (PST)
Local: Tues, Nov 10 2009 4:50 am
Subject: Re: To Dr. Pao - Clear The Air
Dr. Pao, you said, "More criticism gives me more POWER!!!"

Really? So if we criticise Yong or the Lao PDR, that gives them more
power?

Then you said, "and people ONLY criticise people who are HIGHER than
them (you never criticize any one below you!!)."

Really? So does that mean that ALL of your previous criticisms of the
Lao PDR and Yong are because it's your belief and conclusion that they
are HIGHER than you? You're saying you are below them?

Do you really know or believe the things you say?


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From: DownUnder <drpao...@dex.hmoob.net>
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 21:05:43 -0800 (PST)
Local: Tues, Nov 10 2009 4:05 pm
Subject: Re: To Dr. Pao - Clear The Air
On Nov 10, 4:50 am, samphong <samphon...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Dr.Pao, you said, "More criticism gives me more POWER!!!"

> Really? So if we criticise Yong or the Lao PDR, that gives them more
> power?

> Then you said, "and people ONLY criticise people who are HIGHER than
> them (you never criticize any one below you!!)."

> Really? So does that mean that ALL of your previous criticisms of the
> Lao PDR and Yong are because it's your belief and conclusion that they
> are HIGHER than you? You're saying you are below them?

> Do you really know or believe the things you say?

We, the Hmong, have to move up one more notch! This is the 21st
century!!

One has to be very clear about one criticism - I take that all people
are basically GOOD but when I have to say something, it is NOT about
the PERSON but it is only about that person action, behavior or
ideology.  In the case of Yong, we are as different as sky and earth
on our ideology but it does not stop us to agree to disagree and to
have dialogue and when he came to Melbourne, we had dinner together
and when my niece was in Laos and in trouble, he came for the rescue -
but politically we are on different spectrum.

Even in the case of the current LPDR Spokesman, we do have more
differences than in common in our political beliefs - we argued for
hours and one time, we argued for  for one whole night about our
differences but on the personal level, we can still be friend. Just
imagine this, can a Republican has a Democract member as friend - of
course, you can. It is about time that the Hmong must move up to this
level, at least.

Finally, All4One has said so clear and so right that I agree
completely with him and I have nothing more to add ... just Amen!!!

Hope that the air is being cleared!

If there is anything else, I will be happy to discuss - just email me
to:
drpao1 at Hmoob.net

DU


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From: Tony <avang_...@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 04:49:20 -0800 (PST)
Local: Tues, Nov 10 2009 11:49 pm
Subject: Re: To Dr. Pao - Clear The Air
It is good to have friends.  But, friends with political figures could
also put you into an awkward position as well.  Just don’t wander too
far off track.  Say the right things in the right time, you are doing
just fine.  Laonok can say all they want, but Laonai takes pride on
what they have, a country.  The only sad thing is that they got stuck
in the system just for the national pride.  Deep down in the personal
level, they see many good things in the Laonok and yet they can’t do
too much about it.

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