The Phinong Hmong’s repatriation should not come as surprise, particularly if we followed up to the rationale behind the decision made by Thai and Lao government as a result of the long overdue resettlement impasse yet without any political standing. If something speaks volumes, it also tells us a lot about the biggest absent-mind on this issue is uncle Sam who seems to be content to play a few PR tune to the ears of the U.S local Hmong constituents with hope to capture a few incentive in the event of their own district election, and beyond the headline is just history…When no alternative and other viable options, the repatriation is in the best interest of these misguided innocent people who have been already suffering enough of all these false prophecies, before any unnecessary violence sprouts out at the next round of frustration. The final nail in the coffin is that the prospect for a third country is dwindling since long time, following by the Thai government’s mounting domestic pressure to get rid of these camps once for all…
Meanwhile the outside various political Hmong groups as we all know can only be bogged down into their endless old buried feuds and empty cold war rhetoric. When it comes to the real substance, there’s no contest for lack of Uncle Sam’s support, they are just too fragmented and incapable to come up with a unified and credible humanitarian solution, except a few courageous family members who have dodged to help their own individual family members to soothe their pain in the transitional waiting or back to their native homeland.
Time has changed in this emerging new world order, the cold war rhetoric is not going to do any good, all but disservice to themselves like the fate of general Vang Pao and his close associates…If any Hmong splinters want to be re-connected to their birth place, they have to follow the same footstep as Uncle Sam has just initiated is to recognize the new reality by dealing with your adversaries of yesteryear…The choice is yours…if the noble goal is to alleviate the long-termed pain and suffering of these Phinong Hmong.
Hmong politic is a joke! We realized this much...but the old fools wanted to continue a legacy that were lost 30+ years ago. It's time to move forward to a new chapter. Buried the old grudges, FACE IT...the communist won the battles and the WAR. The country of Laos may be my parents' heart and soul, but certainly NOT MINE! My loyalty lies with America and America is what I will defend and protect. Those who are lao citizens, return home and help rebuild your country. Like leaders of the free world, leaders in Laos have an obligation to SERVE the interest of thier citizens within thier capacity. PEACE to ALL.
jim
On Jul 1, 10:44 am, Vannasay <vansay.s...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The Phinong Hmong’s repatriation should not come as surprise, > particularly if we followed up to the rationale behind the decision > made by Thai and Lao government as a result of the long overdue > resettlement impasse yet without any political standing. If something > speaks volumes, it also tells us a lot about the biggest absent-mind > on this issue is uncle Sam who seems to be content to play a few PR > tune to the ears of the U.S local Hmong constituents with hope to > capture a few incentive in the event of their own district election, > and beyond the headline is just history…When no alternative and other > viable options, the repatriation is in the best interest of these > misguided innocent people who have been already suffering enough of > all these false prophecies, before any unnecessary violence sprouts > out at the next round of frustration. The final nail in the coffin is > that the prospect for a third country is dwindling since long time, > following by the Thai government’s mounting domestic pressure to get > rid of these camps once for all…
> Meanwhile the outside various political Hmong groups as we all know > can only be bogged down into their endless old buried feuds and empty > cold war rhetoric. When it comes to the real substance, there’s no > contest for lack of Uncle Sam’s support, they are just too fragmented > and incapable to come up with a unified and credible humanitarian > solution, except a few courageous family members who have dodged to > help their own individual family members to soothe their pain in the > transitional waiting or back to their native homeland.
> Time has changed in this emerging new world order, the cold war > rhetoric is not going to do any good, all but disservice to themselves > like the fate of general Vang Pao and his close associates…If any > Hmong splinters want to be re-connected to their birth place, they > have to follow the same footstep as Uncle Sam has just initiated is to > recognize the new reality by dealing with your adversaries of > yesteryear…The choice is yours…if the noble goal is to alleviate the > long-termed pain and suffering of these Phinong Hmong.
I read a decade ago that the people of Laos detested the term "phinong" when used by the Thais in reference to Lao people. I notice that you keep saying "phinong", so you must like the term(s). So, tell me. Who is "phi" (pronounced "pea") and who is "nong". Does the Lao people want to be "nong"?
Anyway, you must be paid well for your frivolous rambling about things you know nothing about, particularly the Hmong people and the refugee issues. Get it straight. Were it not for the LPDR's continual butchering of innocent people, there would not be Hmong refugees in Thailand 34 YEARS after the war.
It is easy to lie to the world that this does not exist or that does not exist in Laos, but the evidence is overwhelmingly against the LPDR. It is not VP and his associates who have to wake up and see the reality, but the LPDR needs to stop the blood letting and stop paying people such as you to spread lies that, in the long run, will be damaging and costly to Laos. The LPDR needs to come to reality that denial and truth are not the same thing. The ball is in the LPDR's court, yet it keeps crying fouls, when in actuality, it is the LPDR that blatantly committed the fouls.
Stop torturing and killing your own phinong and the world would be much a better place.
On Jul 1, 9:32 am, vimhlub <vimh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Vannasay,
> I read a decade ago that the people of Laos detested the term > "phinong" when used by the Thais in reference to Lao people.
I think the Thai refer to Laos as bane Phi muang Nong , 2 words ( Phi and Nong ). But " Phinong " it's one word and it has different meaning . Please correct me if I am wrong .
> that you keep saying "phinong", so you must like the term(s). So, > tell me. Who is "phi" (pronounced "pea") and who is "nong". Does the > Lao people want to be "nong"?
Well say, our younger generation prefers peace and solidarity than taking grudge over something that there is no future and hope. Walking is different from talking, and generally, the older generation was never getting over its mentality—and we would let they be where they are, because characters will never change in a person’s life time. However, the know-how and educated people would just walk away high above and pretend to plug-in our ears on their conversations, because it will never get anywhere. Therefore, we must not take these old generation’s comments to heart…leave them where they are, and then we just keep moving along in our prosperity and harmony for the country itself.
Thank you for your clairvoyance in this important subject. I totally endorse your point of view. I'm not a pessimistic person, we know that the future always belongs to the younger and brighter generation. Maybe you're one of them.
Please, keep up the good work!
Vannasay,
On Jul 1, 3:04 pm, Born2beMhong <truelove_never...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Well say, our younger generation prefers peace and solidarity than > taking grudge over something that there is no future and hope. > Walking is different from talking, and generally, the older generation > was never getting over its mentality—and we would let they be where > they are, because characters will never change in a person’s life > time. However, the know-how and educated people would just walk away > high above and pretend to plug-in our ears on their conversations, > because it will never get anywhere. Therefore, we must not take these > old generation’s comments to heart…leave them where they are, and then > we just keep moving along in our prosperity and harmony for the > country itself.
> Well say, our younger generation prefers peace and solidarity than > taking grudge over something that there is no future and hope. > Walking is different from talking, and generally, the older generation > was never getting over its mentality—and we would let they be where > they are, because characters will never change in a person’s life > time. However, the know-how and educated people would just walk away > high above and pretend to plug-in our ears on their conversations, > because it will never get anywhere. Therefore, we must not take these > old generation’s comments to heart…leave them where they are, and then > we just keep moving along in our prosperity and harmony for the > country itself.
> Thanks,
> Born
Friends,
It is a place for free press and speech. But most Hmong people don’t read what is on Lao PDR’s agenda. Laos is a member state to the United Nations and needs to come clean before them. Continue denying and hiding the truths will not save her. Please read this link before making your judgment on Hmong repatriation issues.
Lao PDR needs these people back to eliminate all the evident which will put her at Sanction and possible lost of a portion of land. Many people in the detention center in Nongkhai and Hoy Namkhao camp are the victims. Hmong brothers, wake up!
It's true that the phinong Hmong's forced repatriation lingeringly has never failed for the last 30+ years by their oppressors. But it is also true that those who resisted the brute force and endured the horrific conditions in the refugee camps long enough, their call has more than a few occasion been answered by Uncle Sam. The latest influx of these refugees were the 15,000 who began their resettlement in the U.S. in December, 2003 from Buddhist Temple of WTK, Thailand - that ended in 2005. Forced repatriation, in the eyes of morality, has never been, is not, and will not be in the best interest of any victim fleeing from an oppressor which continues to deny people their basic rights such as freedom and liberty. There might have been a few expatriates patriotic to the Royal Lao past who use these refugees as a tool to leverage with the current Lao government and to justify their hopeful return to the kingdom that once belong to all, but it is all too well known around the globe that the term "Ai Nong" often used by the LPDR government to define unity, peace and harmony theoretically sounds appealing, but in real life it is just empty words. The dream of a country governed by a pluralistic system which numerous distinct ethnic, religious, ideological or cultural groups are present and tolerated within a society has long vanished and cannot be established unless someone release the Lao Genie from her jar or awake long lost Buddha from his meditation. In world view, the "phinong Hmong" will continue to flee the "Ai Nong" LPDR, not in search of a better social, political and economic life but in search of a safe haven and to disengage themselves from the governmental officials who cannot be voted out of office or voted to their offices by the ballot box; who see noble conscience of men and philosophical difference as a threat. The blame can be shuffled from left to right, but one must know that the real reconciliation is already happening according to the time and circumstance. The reality must be recognized and it is only natural and transient that people will stay in one place only if they do not know that the other side is much better.
On Jul 1, 11:44 am, Vannasay <vansay.s...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The Phinong Hmong’s repatriation should not come as surprise, > particularly if we followed up to the rationale behind the decision > made by Thai and Lao government as a result of the long overdue > resettlement impasse yet without any political standing. If something > speaks volumes, it also tells us a lot about the biggest absent-mind > on this issue is uncle Sam who seems to be content to play a few PR > tune to the ears of the U.S local Hmong constituents with hope to > capture a few incentive in the event of their own district election, > and beyond the headline is just history…When no alternative and other > viable options, the repatriation is in the best interest of these > misguided innocent people who have been already suffering enough of > all these false prophecies, before any unnecessary violence sprouts > out at the next round of frustration. The final nail in the coffin is > that the prospect for a third country is dwindling since long time, > following by the Thai government’s mounting domestic pressure to get > rid of these camps once for all…
> Meanwhile the outside various political Hmong groups as we all know > can only be bogged down into their endless old buried feuds and empty > cold war rhetoric. When it comes to the real substance, there’s no > contest for lack of Uncle Sam’s support, they are just too fragmented > and incapable to come up with a unified and credible humanitarian > solution, except a few courageous family members who have dodged to > help their own individual family members to soothe their pain in the > transitional waiting or back to their native homeland.
> Time has changed in this emerging new world order, the cold war > rhetoric is not going to do any good, all but disservice to themselves > like the fate of general Vang Pao and his close associates…If any > Hmong splinters want to be re-connected to their birth place, they > have to follow the same footstep as Uncle Sam has just initiated is to > recognize the new reality by dealing with your adversaries of > yesteryear…The choice is yours…if the noble goal is to alleviate the > long-termed pain and suffering of these Phinong Hmong.
Ahhaamm! This issue should be depoliticized, untagged hmong, LPDR, US etc. The matter is an issue of universal human rights, the rights to seek refuge, asylum and non refoulement that both Thailand and Laos are signatory to; to the UN convention and ASEAN charter. The ONLY authoritative world accepted organization to deal in this matter is UNHCR and its affiliated orgs; not the home country nor the host country to decide. Thailand is abusing international norms and its Buddhist Metta sanctity.
Let UNHCR do their work!
On Jul 2, 1:44 am, Vannasay <vansay.s...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The Phinong Hmong’s repatriation should not come as surprise, > particularly if we followed up to the rationale behind the decision > made by Thai and Lao government as a result of the long overdue > resettlement impasse yet without any political standing. If something > speaks volumes, it also tells us a lot about the biggest absent-mind > on this issue is uncle Sam who seems to be content to play a few PR > tune to the ears of the U.S local Hmong constituents with hope to > capture a few incentive in the event of their own district election, > and beyond the headline is just history…When no alternative and other > viable options, the repatriation is in the best interest of these > misguided innocent people who have been already suffering enough of > all these false prophecies, before any unnecessary violence sprouts > out at the next round of frustration. The final nail in the coffin is > that the prospect for a third country is dwindling since long time, > following by the Thai government’s mounting domestic pressure to get > rid of these camps once for all…
> Meanwhile the outside various political Hmong groups as we all know > can only be bogged down into their endless old buried feuds and empty > cold war rhetoric. When it comes to the real substance, there’s no > contest for lack of Uncle Sam’s support, they are just too fragmented > and incapable to come up with a unified and credible humanitarian > solution, except a few courageous family members who have dodged to > help their own individual family members to soothe their pain in the > transitional waiting or back to their native homeland.
> Time has changed in this emerging new world order, the cold war > rhetoric is not going to do any good, all but disservice to themselves > like the fate of general Vang Pao and his close associates…If any > Hmong splinters want to be re-connected to their birth place, they > have to follow the same footstep as Uncle Sam has just initiated is to > recognize the new reality by dealing with your adversaries of > yesteryear…The choice is yours…if the noble goal is to alleviate the > long-termed pain and suffering of these Phinong Hmong.
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