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laughalot  
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From: laughalot <skwe...@iprimus.com.au>
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 01:54:31 -0800 (PST)
Local: Mon, Nov 2 2009 8:54 pm
Subject: New Member
I am a new member from Perth, WA. I am 38 years old. I have had a
hearing loss all my life and wear heairng aids in both ears. I
struggle with my hearing loss and haven't accepted. Socially etc. Any
tips on how others cope would be appreciated. I feel isolated. Thanks.

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Amicus  
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From: "Amicus" <ami...@iinet.net.au>
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 22:26:33 +1100
Local: Mon, Nov 2 2009 10:26 pm
Subject: RE: {SHHH Support Group} New Member
Hi Laughalot,

Welcome to the SHHH google group.

I can relate to you, I'm 39 from Sydney, have also had hearing loss most my
life and wear hearing aids in both ears.

I've also struggled in accepting my hearing loss, but find that I'm slowly
starting to come to terms with it.

However, it was difficult as I went to a hearing school and grew up thinking
I was just a normal kid until was later told, at age 15, I had hearing loss.

Made me think how much schooling I missed out on and really effected my self
esteem and when I left school was left to fend for myself.

I was in and out of employment and got harassed at lot in the workplace
because of it.

The only advice I can give is that the quicker you accept it, the quicker
others will accept it.

I think being open and outspoken about your hearing loss is the best way to
go.  

Although you will find the occasional immature person out there who only
wants to make your life difficult, there are many others that are only too
understanding and willing to help.

When I go to training courses I now tell the trainer up front that I have
difficulty hearing and they always make an effort to accommodate me.

How profound is your hearing loss?  You may need to get help with Auslan or
lip-reading.

Best of luck.

Scrunch.


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Erin Mckenzie-Christensen  
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From: "Erin Mckenzie-Christensen" <erin...@bigpond.com>
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 22:44:11 +1030
Local: Mon, Nov 2 2009 11:14 pm
Subject: Re: {SHHH Support Group} New Member
Hi
I am 28 and wear hearing aids in both ears are in adelaide and have only
been deaf since october 2006. Originally found it very difficult because i
am a musician and want to teach, now on top of that I need a wheelchair (not
related to being deaf) so I doubly feel isolated because I cannot drive very
far and are totally reliant on accessible taxis and I cant hear very well. I
use many aids to assist me inculding an FM system which is how I am able to
particiapte in choir and viola/violin. I hope to teach people with
disabilties how to play viola/violin someday soon Too tired to give you
anymore help but will write more soon. Have you tried speech reading or
AUSLAN?

Erin


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Denis McDonald  
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From: "Denis McDonald" <mayd...@bigpond.net.au>
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 20:44:33 +1100
Local: Tues, Nov 3 2009 8:44 pm
Subject: RE: {SHHH Support Group} Re: New Member
Hi Scrunch. What's new! Nothing has changed over 75 years. A number of years
ago we had Access Committees at Local government level, our local
politicians were kept aware of the problems. My suggestion is get out there
and do something about it. I am still fighting. Denis McDonald.


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Amicus  
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From: "Amicus" <ami...@iinet.net.au>
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 05:59:17 +1100
Local: Wed, Nov 4 2009 5:59 am
Subject: RE: {SHHH Support Group} Re: New Member
Hi Denis,

Sad to say, one of my worst experiences was working for local government.

My so called "Team Leader" at the time was verbally abusive along with some
other unprofessional conduct, I contacted my Union at the time thinking they
were going to support me but their response was to leave my employment!

This is what I chose to do, since I felt I had no real support from anyone.
I did an exit interview and reported the Team Leader who did this and I had
witnesses who backed me up.

Nothing, in the end I left and so did others, the Team Leader is still there
causing the same grief to others.

So, I've lost faith in everything.  I really don't believe the current
channels of discrimination laws work in this country.

This woman should have received a warning and then if continued the
behaviour should have be terminated, instead I was the one who was told to
leave!

Scrunch.


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Kristy  
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From: Kristy <mare...@bigpond.com.au>
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 13:34:01 -0800 (PST)
Local: Wed, Nov 4 2009 8:34 am
Subject: Re: {SHHH Support Group} Re: New Member
Hi Scrunch,

That was absolutely disgusting! You may want to contact the Deaf Forum
over that.

I'm 51 now and work in the nursing profession. Any reports of
discrimmination and/or harassment are taken very seriously and we have
an excellent union that gives us plenty of support.

Nevertheless, hearing loss is unfortunately not well tolerated in the
workplace. I guess most people are feeling the pressure of trying to
get the job done and are not inclined to accommodate subordinates or
colleagues with disabilities. But we still go to work each day and
give it our best shot.

Those like Erin and Laughalot, though no doubt finding things a
struggle, can take some comfort in the continual improvement of
technology. Still, at the end of the day, if you are not supported by
those around you, it can certainly be very disheartening and
isolating.

Cheers, Maree

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Andrew Stewart  
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From: "Andrew Stewart" <astew...@printacall.com.au>
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 09:05:35 +1100
Local: Wed, Nov 4 2009 9:05 am
Subject: RE: {SHHH Support Group} Re: New Member

Hi Scrunch,

This is sad, but it is life. There are people out there like that.

I have chosen to fight in a number of instances when this has occurred. One
method is to launch a DDA complaint against the company, and that makes them
take action, also it raises the issue to a much higher level within the
company so that the matter is mot covered up.

Regards

Andrew Stewart
Deafness Forum Telecommunications Representative
Mobile: 0411 757 622
deafnessforum...@pacific.net.au
www.deafnessforum.org.au


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judy  
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From: "judy" <jai...@bigpond.net.au>
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 13:24:30 +1100
Local: Wed, Nov 4 2009 1:24 pm
Subject: Re: {SHHH Support Group} Re: New Member
I have had the same problem, I work for  Area Health Health Service and have
suffered considerable abuse and bullying in the office. My Team Leader did
not support me at all. It was only after this particular person went on to
bully another new member of the office that my matter was taken seriously -
she eventually had to leave as her true nature was apparent to all, but she
left voluntarily.  I was determined not to leave because at my age, and with
a hearing disability it is so difficult to get another job.  A new person
took over as senior and she has a been a nightmare in that she has caused
two people to leave and I have had to put in a complaint. This was taken
seriously but I was moved to another area, and she is quite happily working
in her comfortable position.  It seems that this Area Health Service in the
Blue Mountains is totally lax when it comes to dealing with bullies in the
office.  I'm afraid that when you have a government position and you are a
bully and a tyrant, you will not be sacked and at best just moved to another
area.  Said but true.  Regards Judy.


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Erin Mckenzie-Christensen  
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From: "Erin Mckenzie-Christensen" <erin...@bigpond.com>
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 13:39:44 +1030
Local: Wed, Nov 4 2009 2:09 pm
Subject: Re: {SHHH Support Group} Re: New Member
Hi Scrunch
I think that is appalling do you know of the disability advocacy groups in
your state? I have used the one in SA twice in the last 12 months and they
were excellent help not about being deaf but still related to disability
issues.
At least if it ever happens again this may be an option worth pursuing.
Personally being deaf is annoying because being 28 people do not take me
seriously (friends/family etc) when I say I cant hear and wear my "deaf help
card" badge. I am open about it because althougth there are many who dont
believe for the ones who do it makes things tons easier. I also find it
isolating because it can cause friction in my marriage and make it harder to
participate in social situations, even my music stuff. I have found
technology like FM systems to help tremendously but without this technology
I would be stuffed and life would be awful. I am glad I have enough hearing
left to be able to use this technology and I  pray that it doesn't get any
worse cause as it is I am using FM system on the highest setting and without
it as I said no music TV only with captions and much more difficult in
social situation. Lip reading only does so much!!!

Did you manage to find new employment?
Erin
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Denis McDonald  
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From: "Denis McDonald" <mayd...@bigpond.net.au>
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 19:24:39 +1100
Local: Wed, Nov 4 2009 7:24 pm
Subject: RE: {SHHH Support Group} D.D.A.r
Hi Scrunch, The DDA or Disabilities Discrimination Act is a very strong
document, look it up on internet, you will find that the states and
territories all have agencies to police it. Denis McDonald.


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Amicus  
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From: "Amicus" <ami...@iinet.net.au>
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 14:46:32 +1100
Local: Thurs, Nov 5 2009 2:46 pm
Subject: RE: {SHHH Support Group} Re: New Member
Hi Erin,

Yes, I can relate to what you have written here.

Yes, I did find new employment afterward in a place that services people
with disabilities and I felt right at home there.

Unfortunately, I was made redundant and am now taking a break from work.

Scrunch.


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peter gunness  
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From: peter gunness <wetfeetp...@yahoo.com.au>
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 19:57:34 -0800 (PST)
Local: Thurs, Nov 5 2009 2:57 pm
Subject: Re: {SHHH Support Group} Re: New Member

Hey There,
I'm 42, born a deafy and doing something about it! Wanna read more see www.deafinitley.wordpress.com
 
Cheers Pete
 
Oh yeah, the world is full of dicriminating ppl who take advantage of others disabilities to further there own agenda.....no-one said this world was easy so when it happens again flip em the bird.

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From: Amicus <ami...@iinet.net.au>
Subject: {SHHH Support Group} Re: New Member
To: shhhgroups@googlegroups.com
Received: Thursday, 5 November, 2009, 3:46 AM

Hi Erin,

Yes, I can relate to what you have written here.

Yes, I did find new employment afterward in a place that services people
with disabilities and I felt right at home there.

Unfortunately, I was made redundant and am now taking a break from work.

Scrunch.


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Amicus  
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From: "Amicus" <ami...@iinet.net.au>
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 15:38:50 +1100
Local: Thurs, Nov 5 2009 3:38 pm
Subject: RE: {SHHH Support Group} Re: New Member

Hi Pete,

I really like your positive attitude.

It's understood that this kind of thing happens in life but what is
disappointing is that the people that are put in place to ensure these
things don't happen like HR and Unions etc are not always doing their job so
it makes you think what are they there for?

I mean it's great that we have HR and Unions but if they don't support you
when you need it most, what's the point??

When I say this, I'm speaking about the incident that happened to me and I'm
not referring to all HR departments.  I'm sure we have some people working
really hard out there to ensure that employers feel safe and not threatened
in their place of work.

Also, why do we have to go through so many different channels to get some
resolution.  Often matters like this can be resolved by mediation if you
have the right people conducting these meetings.

It's obvious that, in my case, this woman clearly did not have the
communication skills to fill her job requirement.  Sadly, this is happening
so often these days.

Scrunch.

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peter gunness  
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From: peter gunness <wetfeetp...@yahoo.com.au>
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 22:42:36 -0800 (PST)
Local: Thurs, Nov 5 2009 5:42 pm
Subject: Re: {SHHH Support Group} Re: New Member

Hey Scrunch,
I hear you, ....from my own experience...
-Getting a good job with good career prospects has always been pretty hard. I have no doubt that our society has developed a general distaste for ppl with disabilities. The common phrase of "deaf and dumb" that continues to parade the school grounds can only create in the minds of society, even if subconsciously, an inherent lower social status for those of us that are deaf. Having a good job for myself required putting in many extra hours and reading to be up to speed with my collegues. The jobs themselves, I actually have done pretty well at........but as we all know, the game is played in the backrooms. The backstabbing, gossip and basic protecting of ones butt is a verbal game that for a deaf person is impossible to play. I have found myself in situations where I am at fault? without knowing the faultline.
 
The HR dept's and the unions are playing the same game with the same ingrained social bias, with the same result. What can we dooooo?
 
Once again I say, square your shoulders, look'em in the eye and flip em the bird! You could be surprised at the outcome. But then if all fails... hey!, from the sounds of it, it was a shitty job anyway.....go catch a wave and reflect.
 
Cheers Pete  

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From: Amicus <ami...@iinet.net.au>
Subject: {SHHH Support Group} Re: New Member
To: shhhgroups@googlegroups.com
Received: Thursday, 5 November, 2009, 4:38 AM

Hi Pete,
 
I really like your positive attitude.
 
It's understood that this kind of thing happens in life but what is disappointing is that the people that are put in place to ensure these things don't happen like HR and Unions etc are not always doing their job so it makes you think what are they there for?
 
I mean it's great that we have HR and Unions but if they don't support you when you need it most, what's the point??
 
When I say this, I'm speaking about the incident that happened to me and I'm not referring to all HR departments.  I'm sure we have some people working really hard out there to ensure that employers feel safe and not threatened in their place of work.
 
Also, why do we have to go through so many different channels to get some resolution.  Often matters like this can be resolved by mediation if you have the right people conducting these meetings.
 
It's obvious that, in my case, this woman clearly did not have the communication skills to fill her job requirement.  Sadly, this is happening so often these days.
 
Scrunch.

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Chris  
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From: Chris <cdanckwe...@hotmail.com>
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 01:19:05 -0800 (PST)
Local: Fri, Nov 6 2009 8:19 pm
Subject: Re: {SHHH Support Group} Re: New Member
Hi Peter,

I've just finished reading your blog.  I really enjoyed it, and I must
say it's great to come across a deafy with attitude!

Personally I can relate to a lot of what you've been through.  I was
born hearing impaired (severe in my case, not profound), got a degree
and worked for large corporations here and overseas.  I've now reached
retiring age, bloodied but unbowed, and now spend much of my time
helping out at SHHH.

Reading about everyone's experiences in this Google group brought back
to me much of what I've been through in life.  It's definitely tough
being hearing impaired in a hearing world.  In particular I missed out
on being able to network effectively at work and I also missed a lot
in my social life.

However, I was luckier than some of the people who've written in.  I
didn't get much active discrimination, mainly just got ignored and
bypassed!  I probably didn't stand up for myself enough.  Maybe if I
had more of the positive attitude that you seem to have, Peter, then I
might have done better for myself.

Then again, maybe not.  I have a great wife and family, good health,
and a comfortable life in retirement.  And helping others with hearing
impairment through SHHH is very rewarding.

So, yes, things could have been better.  But, looking around the world
today, it's certainly true that things could also have been a great
deal worse.

So keep that blog going, Peter.  I'll be following your life's journey
with great interest!    Good luck with the cochlear implant.

Chris

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From: Christian <christian...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 02:59:08 -0800 (PST)
Local: Fri, Nov 6 2009 9:59 pm
Subject: Re: {SHHH Support Group} Re: New Member
Gday Peter,

its excellent that you write a blog to document to your experiences.
Please make sure you let us google groupers know about your
experiences when they happen.
Since that SHHH stands for 'Self Help for Hard of Hearing' it can only
help when one hears of other peoples experiences and how they deal
with it.

I myself have had had a mixed upbringing.
i certaintly felt very different to other kids when i had to wear an
FM device around my next when at primary school aand high school.
I went to Denamrk as an exchange student when i was 16 for a year and
that was VERY different. Not only did i have to meet new people i had
to understand a new language! it took me almost the whole year to
learn danish and by then it was time to go back to school in
Australia. but it opened up my eyes that there are millions of people
all over the world who grow up learning different forms of
communication in different sorts of environments.

Seeing or Hearing that people are being discrimanted because of their
disability is definately not tolerated. I have been fortunate enough
to have met Greame Innes who is the Disability Discrimination
Commissioner and Race Discrimination Commissioner for the Australian
Human Rights Comission.

More info: http://www.hreoc.gov.au/about/president_commissioners/innes.html

Should you have a case of discrimination, please do not hesitate to
check out the website.

Christian


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From: "Amicus" <ami...@iinet.net.au>
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 22:43:09 +1100
Local: Fri, Nov 6 2009 10:43 pm
Subject: RE: {SHHH Support Group} Re: New Member

Hi Pete,

I've just come off reading your blog, I loved it!!

I tend to take my being HOH a bit too seriously sometimes, so I love that
your able to use humour to describe your experiences but also be honest at
the same time.

Please continue to do what you do, you are an inspiration and I feel it's so
important that people get insight into what it's like living deaf or HOH.

I will definitely be following your blog to see what you get up to next!

Living deaf has given you a unique take on life.

I especially liked your story about going to Tharens and meeting some bloke
you had a conversation with that bought you a beer.  

How funny was that, and I'm sure we've all been in that situation when we
just keep nodding to get us through without understanding one word that was
said!

Scrunch.

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