On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 19:55:32 +0100, Thorsten Schier wrote: > MU schrieb: >> On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 00:03:50 +0100, Thorsten Schier wrote:
>>>MU schrieb: >>>[...]
>>>>If you want to maintain as good an image as possible, your best bet?
>>>>Shut up.
>>>Why don't you take your own advise if have to contribute nothing but >>>insults?
>>>HTH,
>>>Thorsten
>> Oh there you go again, snipping and diverting while I slice you and your >> arguments to pieces, T-Bone. Why not plainly admit you jumped into the >> middle of a discussion, posted a bunch of meaningless garbage, I called >> you out for it, you went into an egotistical tizzy whereupon MU cut your >> proverbial-Usenet legs out from under you. >> You are an idiot clicking your heels together and wishing something were >> true. And a liar who would rather play kiddy games than face facts. >> Now, you attack like a rabid Muppet on crack in your flailing of arms >> you are trying your best to hide that are a stone hypocrite. You have >> zero credibility after this discussion. >> It's clear as a bright summer day why you get the treatment you get >> almost every time you post. You foist the most ludicrous, self >> contradictory arguments I've ever seen anyone even attempt in my entire >> life, then try and defend them or deflect them when exposed. You're >> absolutely insane. Obsessed. >> Feel free to stay in character and scream about what a "troll" I am >> some more for pointing out your glaringly obvious dishonesty.]
> Why don't you come back to this thread when you have to offer something > besides rantings and insults. Yeah, I know, this won't happen anytime > soon ...
On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 19:51:41 +0100, Thorsten Schier wrote: > MU schrieb: >> On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 00:06:03 +0100, Thorsten Schier wrote:
>>>MU schrieb:
>>>[...]
>>>>There you go again, T-Bone, the non answer answer.
>>>Not the answer you liked, I take it, which is why you felt forced to >>>snip it. Afraid of facing the truth, are you?
>>>Thorsten
> [...] >> Possibly you could care less.
> I fact, I couldn't care less about your opinion about me, I just > consider the source. Interestingly, the reverse does not seem to be the > case, because otherwise you wouldn't go on and on and on with your > rantings about my alleged shortcomings.
> Thorsten
I care deeply about you T-Bone and it hurts that you pass MU off with a toss of your crooked arm and a spat from your misaligned teeth.
Really.
LOL
Now where were we. oh yes, you're inability to admit you're wrong by continually diverting away from the subject matter at hand.
Overconsumption caused the high BP gain as stated by the OP and, of course, you called me a lair when I agreed.
Sorry, sure didn't mean to uncloak your scam and refocus on your "alleged" shortcomings since, all in all, you post on topic all the all time.
> Overconsumption caused the high BP gain as stated by the OP
Do you really believe your repeating this over and over again does somehow make this the truth? A sandwich and a serving of beans (the "huge" meal described by the OP) hardly exceed 2 pounds, so if he otherwise ate "like a mouse", which he claimed to do, he will be well under 2 pounds a day. Even according to the sacred teachings of your guru, this wouldn't be overconsumption then.
> and, of > course, you called me a lair when I agreed.
No I didn't. I certainly didn't call you a "lair". Nor did I call you a "liar", what is probably what you meant. I just politely disagreed with you. But the difference between reasoned argument and name calling is obviously lost on you.
On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 22:49:13 +0100, Thorsten Schier wrote: > MU schrieb: > [...]
>> Overconsumption caused the high BP gain as stated by the OP
> Do you really believe your repeating this over and over again does > somehow make this the truth?
I never said it was the "truth" T-Bone just that was what was reported by the OP.
Of course, you knew that since I have consistently said the same thing for three days now. But you can't help yourself be a duplicious dongle, can you.
I've dug a fair number of holes in my life (been there, dug that) and think I recognize when someone else has dug one. Though I don't think my hard won advice will be accepted (cheerily or otherwise), I'd say the old saying "If you find yourself in a hole, stop digging" probably applies.
You are obsessed and can't admit that you totally missed the context. On top of that you can't even complete the quote correctly.
As I said before,your image is one of a self-important ass. When you are done with that perhaps you will be relaxed enough to re-read the thread and admit you missed the point entirely. It's way past time for you to get real.
> On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 22:49:13 +0100, Thorsten Schier wrote:
>>MU schrieb: >>[...]
>>>Overconsumption caused the high BP gain as stated by the OP
>>Do you really believe your repeating this over and over again does >>somehow make this the truth?
> I never said it was the "truth" T-Bone just that was what was reported > by the OP.
And of course this wasn't what the OP reported at all. But you know that of course. A normal sized meal is not overconsumption, except to people who voluntarily are on a starvation diet.
On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 23:33:16 +0100, Thorsten Schier wrote: > MU schrieb: >> On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 22:49:13 +0100, Thorsten Schier wrote:
>>>MU schrieb: >>>[...]
>>>>Overconsumption caused the high BP gain as stated by the OP
>>>Do you really believe your repeating this over and over again does >>>somehow make this the truth?
>> I never said it was the "truth" T-Bone just that was what was reported >> by the OP.
> And of course this wasn't what the OP reported at all.
You are simply a bogus liar and incapable of maintaining coherent thought for any length of time. You enjoy playing with words and attempting to obscure the truth with them. You think you are good at it, but you are not. A squirm is a squirm is a squirm.
I've had enough of tossing you around and you certainly should have had enough being tossed, but folks like you, with their little Usenet only lives, must by nature continue to self-crucify themsselves in a most public way and just have to get the last word in.
> On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 23:33:16 +0100, Thorsten Schier wrote:
>>MU schrieb:
>>>On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 22:49:13 +0100, Thorsten Schier wrote:
>>>>MU schrieb: >>>>[...]
>>>>>Overconsumption caused the high BP gain as stated by the OP
>>>>Do you really believe your repeating this over and over again does >>>>somehow make this the truth?
>>>I never said it was the "truth" T-Bone just that was what was reported >>>by the OP.
>>And of course this wasn't what the OP reported at all.
> You are simply a bogus liar and incapable of maintaining coherent > thought for any length of time. You enjoy playing with words and > attempting to obscure the truth with them. You think you are good at > it, but you are not. A squirm is a squirm is a squirm.
When someone has angina pectoris, but only has chest pain during or after physical activities like climbing stairs, then the angina pectoris is not caused by "overexertion" but by atherosclerosis. To tell such a person to deal with the chest pain by avoiding "overexertion" (like climbing stairs or walking the dog) and otherwise to ignore his condition because he is just fine when he doesn't move this much would be very bad advise.
Just a bad as to tell someone who has very high blood pressure after eating a meal that is normally sized to normal persons that he just should stop "oversuming" and otherwise ignore his condition.
May GOD give you, Thorsten, a new heart and a new spirit (Ezekiel 11:19-20 and 36:26) so that you would be born again of water and Spirit (John 3:3 and 3:5) so that you would come to trust the truth, Who is Jesus:
>> And of course this wasn't what the OP reported at all.
> You are simply a bogus liar and incapable of maintaining coherent > thought for any length of time. You enjoy playing with words and > attempting to obscure the truth with them. You think you are good at > it, but you are not. A squirm is a squirm is a squirm.
> I've had enough of tossing you around and you certainly should have had > enough being tossed, but folks like you, with their little Usenet only > lives, must by nature continue to self-crucify themsselves in a most > public way and just have to get the last word in.
> So have at it.
Sort of describes you too. I bet you cannot even realize that.
On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 21:38:52 +0100, Thorsten Schier wrote: > MU schrieb: >> On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 23:33:16 +0100, Thorsten Schier wrote:
>>>MU schrieb:
>>>>On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 22:49:13 +0100, Thorsten Schier wrote:
>>>>>MU schrieb: >>>>>[...]
>>>>>>Overconsumption caused the high BP gain as stated by the OP
>>>>>Do you really believe your repeating this over and over again does >>>>>somehow make this the truth?
>>>>I never said it was the "truth" T-Bone just that was what was reported >>>>by the OP.
>>>And of course this wasn't what the OP reported at all.
>> You are simply a bogus liar and incapable of maintaining coherent >> thought for any length of time. You enjoy playing with words and >> attempting to obscure the truth with them. You think you are good at >> it, but you are not. A squirm is a squirm is a squirm.
> When someone has angina pectoris, but only has chest pain during or > after physical activities like climbing stairs, then the angina pectoris > is not caused by "overexertion" but by atherosclerosis. To tell such a > person to deal with the chest pain by avoiding "overexertion" (like > climbing stairs or walking the dog) and otherwise to ignore his > condition because he is just fine when he doesn't move this much would > be very bad advise.
> Just a bad as to tell someone who has very high blood pressure after > eating a meal that is normally sized to normal persons that he just > should stop "oversuming" and otherwise ignore his condition.
> Thorsten
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Your turn to *again* post something completely irrelevant
My blood pressure used to go from normal range of 120/70 up to 190/105 after eating large meals. It would take an hour to three hours for it to come back down.
After several ER trips (maybe it was anxiety related?) my cardiologist put me on a few different meds, and finally wound up leaving me just on the beta blocker alone.
Still to this day I take 50mg of Toprol XL (extended release). I haven't seen a high reading over 130/85 on this. I'm usually in low- norm range.
Also the beta blocker helps with an arrhythmia that I have called PSVT.
Maybe I need to be on a beta blocker, but I am very concerned about T2 diabetes because my father had it.
That seems to show concrete evidence that beta blocker may cause or worsen diabetes in some people.
I'm going to go on a sugar restricted diet anyway. I check my blood sugar once a month (I have a reader) and my GP also checks my A1C test, which is so far normal. [snip] Thanks Richard
--- I've found the alt.support.diabetes newsgroup to offer better advice about diabetes than a doctor who was fired from his only job in less than three months, and has spent years since then posting bad advice about diabetes to the internet, along with advice unrelated to many of the newsgroups he crossposts to.
Another item: Don't consider avoiding just sugar enough to prevent diabetes. Also avoid all easily digestible starches, since they digest into to same types of sugars as table sugar and about as fast.
You may also need to avoid foods sweetened with fructose - a cheap sweetener often used in non-diet carbonated drinks, among other foods, which does not immediately increase your blood glucose but is a known cause of the insulin resistance that later increased your blood glucose by causing type 2 diabetes or making it worse.
My blood pressure used to go from normal range of 120/70 up to 190/105 after eating large meals. It would take an hour to three hours for it to come back down. [snip] Finally I’m wondering if it might be normal for blood pressure to sky rocket after eating a large meal, after a stressful day (with anxiety). Perhaps I don’t need any medication? [snip] Thanks Richard
--- For some people, just decreasing the amount of salt in your diet, or substituting a potassium-chloride-based salt substitute, is enough to reduce their blood pressure.
Not all people agree on which of the potassium-chloride-based salt substitutes taste good enough to use; I found that, for me, only those with calcium glutamate included avoided the bitter taste on most of the other. McCormick, Schilling's and Kroger brands.
I doubt if my cardiologist would agree that such high blood pressures after large meals are normal.
Also note that most of the people who crosspost between the cardiology newsgroup and any of the diabetes newsgroups are quickly added to the killfile lists of those on the diabetic newsgroups - lists they have told their newsreaders to delete all posts from, and therefore such posts get a lot fewer answers from them.
> My blood pressure used to go from normal range of 120/70 up to 190/105 > after eating large meals. It would take an hour to three hours for it > to come back down. > [snip] > Finally I’m wondering if it might be normal for blood pressure to sky > rocket after eating a large meal, after a stressful day (with > anxiety). Perhaps I don’t need any medication? > [snip]
This is clearly a likely case of endocrine disorder. Many ht ER cases turn out to be undiagnosed and unsuspected aldosteronism, and may be caused by adrenal and/or pituitary disorder. There are other endocrine tumors that can cause such reactions as well, including food induced Cushing's syndrome.
In any case, you need to be evaluated by a good endocrinologist, though they are rare as hen's teeth.
>>>>> Then *most* diabetics wouldn't be on med. Pretty much all of the ones >>>>> I know in real life are.
>>>> Sorry to intervene here, but this tread is becoming a collection of >>>> meaningless and inaccurate one-liners.
>>>> Type-2 diabetes is a serious condition that should not be ignored.
>>>> The level at which a patient is affected by type 2 depends on a number >>>> of performance indicators to be looked at by a health care >>>> professional.
>>>> Some patients with type-2 diabetes can be treated with just pills.
>>>> Other type two's do need insulin as I learned from the discussions >>>> here.
>>>> And some type two's can keep their diabetes under control with a diet.
>>>> Your mileage may vary.
>>>> But, usually the situation is, once you are diagnosed with type 2 it is >>>> something that will stay with you for the rest of your life.
>>>> Just following a diet with type 2, or losing weight, or whatever >>>> self-proclaimed idea you see, is not a good general advice for people >>>> with type 2.
>>> So far, every T2 patient I've seen has had their sugar levels below 100 >>> by simple diet and exercise and cutting out the refuse they eat. As far
>> I presume that you talk about their fasting BG levels.
>>> as I'm concerned, this is *cured*. If you read the statistics most T2
>> No, you don't just cure type 2, this is not true, read on... >>> diabetes is caused by lifestyle. Being that so many Americans are >>> overweight, diabetes is higher here than most other countries. Most >>> people who can't cure their diabetes are not trying hard enough. We >>> rely far too much on medicines to hide the symptoms other than to find >>> the underlying cause and solution. These are simple facts that can be >>> easily researched and are verifiable.
>> Let me ask a question, are you suffering side effects from certain >> medicines, or are you afraid of taking them?
>>> How many of your patients do you put on meds for diabetes? That should >>> be the *last* resort.
>> I follow the advise of a doctor and I recommend you do the same. For more >> information you could perhaps read the following:
>> In people with Type 2 diabetes, glucose builds up in the blood. But with >> good management, your blood glucose levels may go down to normal again. >> But this does not mean you are cured. Instead, a blood glucose level in >> your target range shows that your treatment plan is working and that you >> are taking care of your diabetes.
>> And also:
>> Are lifestyle changes enough?
>> Type 2 diabetes is a progressive condition. This means that over time you >> will gradually produce less and less insulin. Although you may be able to >> manage your blood glucose levels in the healthy range by eating healthy >> food and having regular exercise for a number of years, most people come >> to need tablets or insulin as well as their food an exercise plan.
>> My conclusion is still, as I said before: once you have diabetes it will >> be with you for the rest of your life.
>> Maybe you find it unpleasant to hear, but I would accept this as a fact,
> You must either A) work for a pharmaceutical company or B) be completely > brainwashed by them. To say T2 is *not* curable, is a complete falsehood. > I assumed your were a physician. I can see this is not true or you would > see this in your own patients. *My* doctor is one of my own colleagues > who has the same experiences with T2 patients. Most cases are totally > curable. There are some FEW exceptions. We generally don't see those.
> Also, there are thousands of documented cases of T2 being cured. You can > ask most internal medicine MDs. If one is telling you otherwise, he/she > is a quack.
Looks like you are are confusing what most of us call controlling type 2 diabetes with curing it.
