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On 30 Mar, 13:10, David K <absolutelyinvinci...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Kory wrote: > > Kory, I read the Book. I read PSWG once years ago, again about 2 > Could you share this list with us, and why they can't be true? > David ============================================== Bates' assumptions and his leaps of logic are HUGE compared to "nobody Bates: "That glasses cannot improve the sight to normal can be very I don't get the same results. Most of my patients see better color and Bates: "Even plane glass lowers the vision both for color and form, as I don't get that either. There's a difference, but I don't think Bates: "As a matter of fact the sight ALWAYS improves, to a greater or I don't get the same result. If you can't "note" improvement, where is Bates: "That the human eye resents glasses is a fact which NO ONE I would. Ask a hyperope or presbyope if his eyes feel better with or Bates: "The strong concave glasses required by myopes of high degree But people overcome them all the time. Bates: "ALL glasses contract the field of vision to a greater or less Patently false. Minus spectacle lenses can increase the field of Bates: "It has been demonstrated, however, that the lens is NOT A Patently false. No contribution at all? Ask any aphake. Ask yourself Bates: "It is fortunate that many people for whom glasses have been This is particularly treacherous if they drive. Bates didn't have to Bates: "As refractive abnormalities are continually changing, not only I don't share his experience. I have refracted people who remained A bunch of anecdotes can't prove a rule, but they easily DISPROVE this Bates: "It has been demonstrated in thousands of cases that all I don't know of anything that provides relief such that "ALL errors of Bates: "The eye may be blind, it may be suffering from atrophy of the Whaaaat? ALL these conditions? Relaxation cures ALL cataract, optic Bates: "Myopes, although they see better at the near-point than they Myopes do not see WORSE up close than emmetropes. At age 50, they Bates: "The remedy is not to avoid either near work or distant vision, So how come nobody but Jesus matches his success rate? No I DON'T want Bates: "Fortunately, ALL persons are able to relax under certain Well, "at will" means they would have to be conscious, so that rules Bates: "In ALL uncomplicated errors of refraction the strain to see Um, OK I'll buy that one. Closing the eyes works, too. Bell's reflex Bates: "The fact is that when the mind is at rest nothing can tire the So will Xanax or meditation or spiritual enlightenment make my Bates: "After looking at the sun most people see black or colored My textbooks beg to differ. But what do they know? -MT
> > > Mike, I think it would be best to become a little more familiar with
> > > Bates. Would you like me to scan in a short piece that he had from
> > > the magazines that would explain what an average first visit was like?
> > months ago, and I recently scanned through it again (online copy) to
> > make a list of several things he says that can't be true.
usable accommodation after age 60. The argument was if I could make
such a wide generalization, then all of Bates' generalizations must
therefore be true. My response below, newly edited:
has significant accommodation after 60."
simply demonstrated by looking at any color through a strong convex or
concave glass. It will be noted that the color is ALWAYS less intense
than when seen with the naked eye; and since the perception of form
depends upon the perception of color, it follows that both color and
form JUST be less distinctly seen with glasses than without
them." [emphasis mine]
form _with_ their glasses than without them. Minus lenses minify and
have barrel distortion, but that doesn't outweigh seeing forms you
can't see without them, seeing sharp borders between colors where they
aren't blurred together.
EVERYONE knows who has ever looked out of a window."
"everyone" notices it. Maybe glass is better these days? Spectacle
lenses are clear on the edges, not green like windowpanes. Color
distortion is measured by spectroscopy and the spectrograph of CR-39
is remarkably flat.
less degree, when glasses are discarded, although the fact may not
always be noted. "
it? Refractive error simply does not go away when they take off their
glasses. Ask patients who lose their glasses and make do without them
for three months. Their refractions are not generally better. Every
eye doctor can document anecdotes that disprove this gross
generalization, and very few to support it.
would attempt to deny."
without glasses.
make all objects seem much smaller than they really are, while convex
glasses enlarge them. - These are unpleasantnesses that CANNOT be
overcome."
degree."
vision. They don't always, but they certainly can be made to. Minus
lenses minify, and more objects are "drawn into" the field.
FACTOR, either in the production of accommodation, or in the
correction of errors of refraction. Therefore under NO circumstances
can there be a strain of the ciliary muscle to be relieved."
after cycloplegia. Ask any eye surgeon - they pluck 'em out all the
time and usually the other parts still work.
prescribed refuse to wear them, thus escaping not only much discomfort
but much INJURY to their eyes."
meet his patients on a dark rainy highway with 120 mph between them. I
can't find this INJURY he's talking about.
from day to day and from hour to hour, but from minute to minute, even
under the influence of atropine, the accurate fitting of glasses is,
of course; IMPOSSIBLE."
consistent over decades. I have frequently refracted without any
knowledge of their previous prescription, and later found it within a
quarter-diopter of values from previous years. I often repeat
refractions when people have problems with their new glasses, and to
say they NEVER refract the same a few days later is ludicrous.
one, plus millions of people who find their glasses work the same day
after day.
abnormal action of the external muscles of the eyeball is accompanied
by a strain or effort to see, and that with the relief of this strain
the action of the muscles becomes normal and ALL ERRORS OF REFRACTION
DISAPPEAR."
refraction disappear". Nor did Bates, nor do you. muscle imbalance
causes strain. Not the other way around.
optic nerve, from cataract, or disease of the retina; but so long as
it does not try to see, the external muscles act normally and there is
no error of refraction. This fact furnishes us with the means by which
ALL these conditions, so long held to be incurable, may be cured."
atrophy, and histoplasmosis? That's faith-healing, and its frankly
cruel and anxiogenic to tell people these problems are their fault
because they can't relax.
do at the distance, NEVER see as well as does the eye with normal
sight.."
definitely see BETTER up close than everybody else. And a macro lens
doesn't have lower inherent resolution than a telephoto.
but to get rid of the mental strain which underlies the imperfect
functioning of the eye at both points; and it has: been demonstrated
in thousands of cases that this can ALWAYS be done. "
to read all thousand stories. I want to hear averages, before and
after, with a treated group compared to an untreated group with the
same demographis. Why hasn't it been done? Because every believable
attempt to modify refractive error with lenses, training, and mental
effort has shown such limited success that the noone will invest the
effort and expense to prove that if we re-hash it just right, it WILL
work. That's what the COMET study attempted to do.
conditions at will."
out death, coma, narcosis or sleep. So why isn't the "Natural Method"
used for other anxieties? Yoga and biofeedback would outsell Valium
and Xanax combined, if they worked. Which professional would you
expect to use the Natural Method - a psychologist, or a psychic?
can be relieved, temporarily, by having the patient look at a blank
wall without trying to see."
'n all that.
eyes, and when the mind is under a strain NOTHING can rest them.
ANYTHING that rests the mind will benefit the eyes."
astigmatism better? Never worked for me. My K readings didn't change
appreciably.
spots which may last from a few minutes to a year or longer, but are
NEVER permanent."