Newsgroups: sci.geo.geology
From: auxotectonics_deletethis@nachon_andthis. net (Florian)
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 14:28:19 +0200
Local: Sun, Mar 30 2008 10:28 pm
Subject: Seismic waves, density and temperature.
Stuart <bigdak...@aol.com> wrote: Hu? Only basalt and gabbro Eclogitized, so it concerns only 5-8 km not > (Florian) wrote: > > Not without full eclogitization. Eclogitization occurs only at depth >45 > > km and is only partial. > The lithosphere gets to be about 100km think. the whole lithosphere! > Also, it is on average roughly 600-700K Indeed, that statement looks incorrect. > cooler than the upper mantle. That buys you another 1.5%- 2%. > > See Doglioni et al "What moves slabs": > > <http://tetide.geo.uniroma1.it/sciterra/sezioni/doglioni/Publ_download/W > Some things in here may make sense, but then... > "The high velocity of slab detected by tomography could be related not > For starters tomography of slabs is done using P-waves. > The celerity of a P-wave is given by [ (K+4/3U)/R) ]^1/2 where U is the Just a reminder, the celerity of S-waves is given by [U/R]^1/2. > shear rigidity, K is the incompressibility and R is the density. > So one wonders how in the world high velocity of the slab could *ever* be So actually, the higher velocity in the slab could mean that the slab is > do to a simple change in density? Greater density by itself means slower. simply less dense than surrounding material. Interesting. Doglioni argues that oceanic basalt is depleted and serpentinized which support this interpretation but is at odd with the quote above. > Indeed, the speed of seismic waves increases in slabs because they are Not so sure. Don L. Anderson has a discussion about tomography problems, > stiffer; temperature has a greater effect on rigidity than it does on > density. You'll also notice that there is no term for viscosity in the > wave speed formula. The slab has higher viscosity because it is cooler. > The viscosity increases with decreasing temperature. It is the higher > stiffness that allows one to > ( That should read "larger rigidity", for that matter the > incompressibility also increases with decreasing temp.) > put bounds on the density through an appropriate equation of state. There > is simply no question that the slab is cooler than the surrounding mantle > and hence more dense. How much more may be arguable, but there is no > question that it is more. and notably the tendancy to wrongly use it as a kind of thermometer: See paragraph: "Seismic velocity is not a thermometer" <http://www.mantleplumes.org/TomographyProblems.html> By the way, I note the same confusion, i.e., denser material <=>higher "Nevertheless, tomographic images are often interpreted assuming that a Weird, isn't it? Especially, that a few lines further: "The African and south Pacific "superplumes" are vast, low-velocity thus suggesting again that low velocities region are associated to high > Maybe they meant to say "lower temperature" and "not higher density" but > I also take issue with his statement that mantle densities are "quite "Then seismology tells us that the velocity of both P and S waves "The implication is quite clear: Depth and therefore static So, where is the flaw? [...] -- You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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