Permanently very cold in shadow area and very hot on other side. Everyone and virtually everything would live along a thin circular zone where the sun would be permanently on the horizon. Only a small portion of the earth would be inhabitable. There would be only two directions to travel, east or west.
> The 1st and obvious answer is that half the world would be night and the > other half would be day without change.
> However, what would be the less apparent effects? For example, how would > it affect the ecosystem, the climate, polar ice caps.
> Lets assume that the Earth stops spinning in a manner such that it is > the time [in terms of sun/earth orientation] always 4:30 AM > standard-time in Stamford, Connecticut. Let's also assume that the > Earth's movement stops when it is summer for the southern hemisphere and > winter for the northern hemisphere.
> What would be the effects? That it would be always be summer in > Australia and winter in Canada is self-explanatory.
> Thanks,
> Radium
... underlying your question is the one concerning the cause of both Earth rotation & revolution ... and in fact none has answer to that question except the one peddled forth by the Academic Cretins i.e. inertia resulting from some alleged "Gros Boum" idiocy some Zillions yearz ago ! Okay ?
I am tellling your here now, that if the Earth stopped rotating the whole system would do likewise, and it would mean that Sun which is the driving force in accordance to the True Geology, would have stopped rotating as well ( non-obstant the certitudes processed from of the conditionned mind of poor John Kepler, a faithful of Glaciations, Continental Rafting etc )
Any other stupid question ?
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In article <482a3b9d$0$20191$4c368...@roadrunner.com>, "Green Xenon [Radium]" <gluceg...@excite.com> wrote:
> Hi:
> The 1st and obvious answer is that half the world would be night and the > other half would be day without change.
> However, what would be the less apparent effects? For example, how would > it affect the ecosystem, the climate, polar ice caps.
> Lets assume that the Earth stops spinning in a manner such that it is > the time [in terms of sun/earth orientation] always 4:30 AM > standard-time in Stamford, Connecticut.
You mean if the Earth's rotation were to slow to the point that one hemisphere always faced the sun.
> Let's also assume that the > Earth's movement stops when it is summer for the southern hemisphere and > winter for the northern hemisphere.
This part is meaningless because summer and winter are defined by the relation of earth's rotation axis to its orbital axis. Unless you're asking that the axis of the earth's rotation changes so that it's at the arctic circle at approximately the -2h GMT time zine. (I may be off on the longitude; that was just a mental calculation without pencil and an envelope).
> What would be the effects? That it would be always be summer in > Australia and winter in Canada is self-explanatory.
Well, depending on how quickly this change occurred, it could wreck the ecosystem.
-- Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com> http://www.timberwoof.com "When you post sewage, don't blame others for emptying chamber pots in your direction." ‹Chris L.
In article <764391ba-6a14-4983-b440-5fd09b7d7...@e53g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>,
oriel36 <kelleher.ger...@gmail.com> wrote: > Through this reasoning,there is a much better way to explain the > seasons but alas,geodynamics is in a poor state at the moment and > replacing the pseudo-dynamic of variable axial inclination with a new > orbital component which causes the daylight/darkness variations may > take a while.
> Hope this helps.
Oh, it's you! I was expecting you to show up at this party.
Now you're calling axial inclination a pseudo-variable? That's good. Have you done *any* astronomical measurements of your own?
-- Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com> http://www.timberwoof.com "When you post sewage, don't blame others for emptying chamber pots in your direction." ‹Chris L.
In article <66805c14-955e-4e52-969d-1f4f75693...@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
oriel36 <kelleher.ger...@gmail.com> wrote: > A person standing on the North and South pole is physically not > axially rotating
Hah! That's the most idiotic thing you've ever said!
Do you think that if someone were to set up a time-lapse camera at the south pole, above that chrome hemisphere, say on the summer solstice, that the sun would stand still in one place?
I recall seeing a movie where someone did exactly that. The sun quite plainly moves all around the sky, much as one would expect...
> therefore your interesting question is not > hypothetical but an actual condition.With this discovery,you can work > through the reasoning where a person at the polar axis experiences > variations in daylight/darkness throughout the year while not axially > rotating.
That's either more idiotic, or less. I'm not quite sure.
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In article <482b6917$0$30497$4c368...@roadrunner.com>, "Green Xenon [Radium]" <gluceg...@excite.com> wrote:
> > If the Earth stopped rotating then you'd still have a cycle of light and > > dark; you'd have a year-long day.
> Why would there still be a dark/light cycle if the earth stopped > rotating? Why would it be a year long?
Brain? Brain? What is brain?!
You need to work this out yourself with a ball and a lamp. Put the lamp on a table in the middle of the room; remove the lampshade. Hold the ball in your hand and walk in a circle around the lamp. Watch what the shadow does.
(Under no circumstances do this counterclockwise! Your neighbors will think you're doing witchcraft.)
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> > 1. Solar: Earth swings around sun, facing it. > > Light & dark sides.
> > 2. Galactic: Earth swings around sun, facing center of galaxy. > > Year-long day.
> > 3. Extra-galactic: Earth stops while sun goes around galaxy. > > Very dark.
> > 4. Other ?
> > Jim Lillie
> Ok. What would it take for there to be no dark/light cycle?
In the third episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation, young Wesley Crusher fell over a barrier into some flowers. Those flowers were in an Enforcement Zone that day, so Wesley was sentenced to a quick and painless death. There's a lot to be said for that sort of thing.
-- Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com> http://www.timberwoof.com "When you post sewage, don't blame others for emptying chamber pots in your direction." ‹Chris L.
In article <13563c4e-4f8f-4561-b850-5c3d864cd...@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
oriel36 <kelleher.ger...@gmail.com> wrote: > If the Earth stopped rotating you would lose your 'axial tilt' > explanation for seasonal variations in daylight/darkness which occur > anyway regardless of axial rotation and orientation.The seasonal > change arises from orbital motion along with the global variations in > the natural noon cycle when allied with axial rotation and using > natural noon as a benchmark.
You are, of course, free to make some diagrams that illustrate what you're saying.
> Very rare that a large modification such as replacing variable axial > inclination with a new orbital component is allowed to drift as this > insight has,but it is done nonetheless and there for any person who > wishes to reason through the details.No person who truly grasps it > would dare pretend that the insight is not a huge departure from > previous' variable axial tilt' explanations or try to assimilate the > insight without regard for the enormous and sometimes painful effort > put in.
So in other words, you're poisoning the conversation by saying ahead of time that anyone who disagrees with you is stupid. That's okay. You're free to present convincing diagrams and measurements that back up your preposterous claims.
-- Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com> http://www.timberwoof.com "When you post sewage, don't blame others for emptying chamber pots in your direction." ‹Chris L.
> Ok. What would it take for there to be no dark/light cycle?
The same face of the earth to point towards the sun at all times. ie the earth's rotational and orbital periods to be identical.
I suspect that to achieve /that/ the earth would have to a ) be moonless and b) a lot closer to the sun. The gravity of other bodies in the solar system has a nonzero effect on the earth and would break any tidal lock.
Without thinking, it 'feels' to me that the Moon would drop into Earth, that the rotation of Earth has gravity weakening effects. One of those Hollywood moments where things stall, and then two bodies attract. But things wouldn't stall completely.
According to theories it is the contrary. Spinning adds to gravity, more noticable in spiral galaxies where this dark matter is 9 times the visible mass.
In article <ac54f45b-c4f1-4f17-80b7-8aade47ca...@34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
sir.jpturc...@neuf.fr wrote: > ... underlying your question is the one concerning the cause of both > Earth rotation & revolution
Hm. I didn't know that he earth rotated *and* revolved. Care to explain?
-- Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com> http://www.timberwoof.com "When you post sewage, don't blame others for emptying chamber pots in your direction." ‹Chris L.
In article <e2433ff0-d070-40c3-8e1a-25a05feb5...@26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com>,
gb <gb6...@yahoo.com> wrote: > Without thinking, it 'feels' to me that the Moon would drop into > Earth, that the rotation of Earth > has gravity weakening effects.
What??? That makes only a little bit of sense. To do calculations of the moon's orbit, all you need is the earth's mass, the moon's mass, the distance between them, and some specifics about eccentricity, orbital inclination, etc. You don't care about the Earth's rotation.
Yes, the Earth's gravity as measured at the surface is a little lower at the equator than at the poles, but you can't measure that difference in orbit.
But you've contradicted yourself. You say that "that the rotation of Earth has gravity weakening effects" yet if the earth's rotation should stop, the moon would fall into the earth.
> One of those Hollywood moments where > things stall, and > then two bodies attract. But things wouldn't stall completely.
> According to theories it is the contrary. Spinning adds to gravity, > more noticable in spiral > galaxies where this dark matter is 9 times the visible mass.
According to what theory?
I strongly suggest you pick up a couple of textbooks on astronomy and learn their content before you write such opinions. They make you look like someone trying to be mistaken for ignorant.
-- Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com> http://www.timberwoof.com "When you post sewage, don't blame others for emptying chamber pots in your direction." ‹Chris L.
> On 14 mai, 03:08, "Green Xenon [Radium]" <gluceg...@excite.com> wrote:
> > Hi:
> > The 1st and obvious answer is that half the world would be night and the > > other half would be day without change.
> > However, what would be the less apparent effects? For example, how would > > it affect the ecosystem, the climate, polar ice caps.
> > Lets assume that the Earth stops spinning in a manner such that it is > > the time [in terms of sun/earth orientation] always 4:30 AM > > standard-time in Stamford, Connecticut. Let's also assume that the > > Earth's movement stops when it is summer for the southern hemisphere and > > winter for the northern hemisphere.
> > What would be the effects? That it would be always be summer in > > Australia and winter in Canada is self-explanatory.
> > Thanks,
> > Radium
I'm *almost* certain that it would severely disrupt the flow of mindless trash cross- posted to sci.newsgroups.
> In article > <e2433ff0-d070-40c3-8e1a-25a05feb5...@26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com>,
> gb <gb6...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > Without thinking, it 'feels' to me that the Moon would drop into > > Earth, that the rotation of Earth > > has gravity weakening effects.
> What??? That makes only a little bit of sense. To do calculations of the > moon's orbit, all you need is the earth's mass, the moon's mass, the > distance between them, and some specifics about eccentricity, orbital > inclination, etc. You don't care about the Earth's rotation.
> Yes, the Earth's gravity as measured at the surface is a little lower at > the equator than at the poles, but you can't measure that difference in > orbit.
> But you've contradicted yourself. You say that "that the rotation of > Earth has gravity weakening effects" yet if the earth's rotation should > stop, the moon would fall into the earth.
> > One of those Hollywood moments where > > things stall, and > > then two bodies attract. But things wouldn't stall completely.
> > According to theories it is the contrary. Spinning adds to gravity, > > more noticable in spiral > > galaxies where this dark matter is 9 times the visible mass.
> According to what theory?
> I strongly suggest you pick up a couple of textbooks on astronomy and > learn their content before you write such opinions. They make you look > like someone trying to be mistaken for ignorant.
> -- > Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com>http://www.timberwoof.com > "When you post sewage, don't blame others for > emptying chamber pots in your direction." ‹Chris L.
On May 15, 8:22 am, Mark McIntyre <markmcint...@spamcop.net> wrote:
> Green Xenon [Radium] wrote:
> > Ok. What would it take for there to be no dark/light cycle?
> The same face of the earth to point towards the sun at all times. > ie the earth's rotational and orbital periods to be identical.
A location does not keep the same face to the Sun but changes through an entire 360 degrees with respect to the central Sun.There are actual images of the Equatorial rings of Uranus showing this feature of orbital motion -
The Earth does not have those useful Equatorial rings which explicitly show that a location changes its orientation through 360 degrees and take an entire orbit to achieve this but it should be inferred without question by any intelligent person -
> I suspect that to achieve /that/ the earth would have to a ) be moonless > and b) a lot closer to the sun. The gravity of other bodies in the solar > system has a nonzero effect on the earth and would break any tidal lock.
You operate off celestial sphere geometry and a false view where the Earth keeps the same side to the Sun.In the absence of axial rotation you would not get a year long day as some have correctly pointed out -
I have to remind myself that men still cannot explain the second greatest effect after day and night - the variations between daylight and darkness everywhere except at the Equator.The lack of a central authority to actually deal with the matter and come to a satisfactory conclusion is lacking.
A original poster asked a very straightforward question regarding axial rotation and what occurs if it stopped in terms of daylight and darkness,it does not require anything other than the Earth's behavior to the central Sun and should not involve any other factor outside orbital motion.
Btw,a person axially rotating at the Equator is moving at roughly 1.000 miles per hour and diminishes to 0 miles an hour at the polar axis hence a person standing on the polar axis is not axially rotating nor the ground beneath him.That is a fact for everyone.
> On May 15, 9:22 am, Timberwoof <timberwoof.s...@inferNOnoSPAMsoft.com> > wrote:
> > In article > > <e2433ff0-d070-40c3-8e1a-25a05feb5...@26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com>,
> > gb <gb6...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > Without thinking, it 'feels' to me that the Moon would drop into > > > Earth, that the rotation of Earth > > > has gravity weakening effects.
> > What??? That makes only a little bit of sense. To do calculations of the > > moon's orbit, all you need is the earth's mass, the moon's mass, the > > distance between them, and some specifics about eccentricity, orbital > > inclination, etc. You don't care about the Earth's rotation.
> > Yes, the Earth's gravity as measured at the surface is a little lower at > > the equator than at the poles, but you can't measure that difference in > > orbit.
> > But you've contradicted yourself. You say that "that the rotation of > > Earth has gravity weakening effects" yet if the earth's rotation should > > stop, the moon would fall into the earth.
> > > One of those Hollywood moments where > > > things stall, and > > > then two bodies attract. But things wouldn't stall completely.
> > > According to theories it is the contrary. Spinning adds to gravity, > > > more noticable in spiral > > > galaxies where this dark matter is 9 times the visible mass.
> > According to what theory?
> > I strongly suggest you pick up a couple of textbooks on astronomy and > > learn their content before you write such opinions. They make you look > > like someone trying to be mistaken for ignorant.
> > -- > > Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com>http://www.timberwoof.com > > "When you post sewage, don't blame others for > > emptying chamber pots in your direction." ‹Chris L.
> Hm. I didn't know that he earth rotated *and* revolved. Care to explain?
Illegal argument, what do you think your classroom teacher think of you, that you are very smart or racially picking? Common, rotated, revolved are both clear logic. You think the Moon revolves around the Earth and the Earth rotates? Could it be this simple logic?
> On May 14, 11:42 pm, sir.jpturc...@neuf.fr wrote:
> > On 14 mai, 03:08, "Green Xenon [Radium]" <gluceg...@excite.com> wrote:
> > > Hi:
> > > The 1st and obvious answer is that half the world would be night and the > > > other half would be day without change.
> > > However, what would be the less apparent effects? For example, how would > > > it affect the ecosystem, the climate, polar ice caps.
> > > Lets assume that the Earth stops spinning in a manner such that it is > > > the time [in terms of sun/earth orientation] always 4:30 AM > > > standard-time in Stamford, Connecticut. Let's also assume that the > > > Earth's movement stops when it is summer for the southern hemisphere and > > > winter for the northern hemisphere.
> > > What would be the effects? That it would be always be summer in > > > Australia and winter in Canada is self-explanatory.
> > > Thanks,
> > > Radium
> I'm *almost* certain that it would severely > disrupt the flow of mindless trash cross- > posted to sci.newsgroups.
> Then again, perhaps not.
Eye for eye, like in England with cameras in the streets, all people are tarnished to become policemen. But it is highly offending in terms of human rights to see discrimination. Truth should win in matters of crimes against humanities that Pier from France aims to ridicule in terms on non-comprehension and outrage. How I hated cross posts once, now imperialism.
> On May 15, 4:42 pm, sir.jpturc...@neuf.fr wrote:
> We'd not have to read your ramblings
I thought you were dead ole man ... how is your gout condition? Worsening ? Good !
Ramblings ? are you talking about the driving force spinning the Earth into motion both axially & ecliptically ? Clueless about that indeed ! ... as the rest Timberwood, Oriel etc included
By the way have you as yet finished that backyard of yours ' mapping ? I am waiting for that brown envelope from Cincinnati with all the data in it ... I just want to know how many Glaaaacierzzz went over it ( your backyard ) through the different Glaaaciationzzz. Surely you will find some moraines or rest of it ... everyone does all over the world indeed !
With kindest regards to you Georgi Boi !
Sir Jean-Paul Turcaud
~ Ignorance is the Cosmic Sin, the One never Forgiven ~
Stuart wrote: > On May 13, 3:08 pm, "Green Xenon [Radium]" <gluceg...@excite.com> > wrote: > > Hi:
> > The 1st and obvious answer is that half the world would be night and the > > other half would be day without change.
> You're wrong already.
> Quit while you're not ahead.
> Stuart
(Woo, ..clever...) So how come a clever guy like you can't work out the nonsenses in Plate Tectonics Stuart? Like the crust forcing the mantle down subduction zones? Cos it's lighter? . (I mean denser...) ...And floating. I mean sinking.
>> On May 13, 3:08 pm, "Green Xenon [Radium]" <gluceg...@excite.com> >> wrote: >>> Hi:
>>> The 1st and obvious answer is that half the world would be night and the >>> other half would be day without change. >> You're wrong already.
>> Quit while you're not ahead.
>> Stuart
> (Woo, ..clever...) So how come a clever guy like you can't work out > the nonsenses in Plate Tectonics Stuart? Like the crust forcing the > mantle down subduction zones? Cos it's lighter? . (I mean > denser...) ...And floating. I mean sinking.
Quick question - is crude oil denser or less dense than water? Then how come it floats?
> >> On May 13, 3:08 pm, "Green Xenon [Radium]" <gluceg...@excite.com> > >> wrote: > >>> Hi:
> >>> The 1st and obvious answer is that half the world would be night and the > >>> other half would be day without change. > >> You're wrong already.
> >> Quit while you're not ahead.
> >> Stuart
> > (Woo, ..clever...) So how come a clever guy like you can't work out > > the nonsenses in Plate Tectonics Stuart? Like the crust forcing the > > mantle down subduction zones? Cos it's lighter? . (I mean > > denser...) ...And floating. I mean sinking.
> Quick question - is crude oil denser or less dense than water? Then how > come it floats?
Oh! You gave the answer away!
-- Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com> http://www.timberwoof.com "When you post sewage, don't blame others for emptying chamber pots in your direction." ‹Chris L.
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