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Joe  
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 More options Sep 17, 11:36 pm
Newsgroups: sci.geo.geology
From: Joe <see_real_...@sig.lin>
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 09:36:07 -0400
Local: Thurs, Sep 17 2009 11:36 pm
Subject: Searching For Real Geology Groups
Now that nearly all of the real fans of geology have fled this
newsgroup, leaving it mostly as a playground for mentally disturbed
egotists, I have to ask: Are there any good on-line forums where
geology is discussed? I want to find a group with content similar to
what this group was 7 to 10 years ago.

Please help - I'm starving for geo-content!

I'm posting this here in the remote possibility that one of the
old-timers may pop in once in a while just out of nostalgia, or
whatever.

Joe

(ps - no offense to you, Barbara; I did say "nearly all")


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Nosterill  
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 More options Sep 18, 1:04 am
Newsgroups: sci.geo.geology
From: Nosterill <fladg...@hotmail.com>
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 08:04:11 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Fri, Sep 18 2009 1:04 am
Subject: Re: Searching For Real Geology Groups
On Sep 17, 2:36 pm, Joe <see_real_...@sig.lin> wrote:

> Now that nearly all of the real fans of geology have fled this
> newsgroup, leaving it mostly as a playground for mentally disturbed
> egotists, I have to ask: Are there any good on-line forums where
> geology is discussed? I want to find a group with content similar to
> what this group was 7 to 10 years ago.

> Please help - I'm starving for geo-content!

> I'm posting this here in the remote possibility that one of the
> old-timers may pop in once in a while just out of nostalgia, or
> whatever.

> Joe

> (ps - no offense to you, Barbara; I did say "nearly all")

If you find one - please let me know. This group and
sci.geo.earthquakes are both 90% spammers and nutters now. They used
to be so good.

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oriel36  
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 More options Sep 18, 3:27 am
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From: oriel36 <kelleher.ger...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 10:27:16 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Fri, Sep 18 2009 3:27 am
Subject: Re: Searching For Real Geology Groups
On Sep 17, 4:04 pm, Nosterill <fladg...@hotmail.com> wrote:

O.K. let me see your explanation for the symmetrical creation of crust
off the entire length of the  mid Atlantic ridge using thermal
convection cells and then we will speak about 'nutters'.

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Australia Mining Pioneer & Founder of the True Geology  
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 More options Sep 18, 6:32 pm
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From: "Australia Mining Pioneer & Founder of the True Geology" <jpturc...@neuf.fr>
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 01:32:21 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Fri, Sep 18 2009 6:32 pm
Subject: Re: Searching For Real Geology Groups
On Sep 17, 7:27 pm, oriel36 <kelleher.ger...@gmail.com> wrote:

Excellent Mr Oriel ...   I applaud both hands in fact at your
remarks.
By the way the epithet "real geology" used by Joe implies some doubt
about the reality of present one....
Could he be looking for True Geology by any chance ?

jpturcaud


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John D99  
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 More options Sep 20, 6:36 am
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From: "John D99" <J...@quantum.com>
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 14:36:21 -0600
Local: Sun, Sep 20 2009 6:36 am
Subject: Re: Searching For Real Geology Groups
Somebody needs to establish a moderated earth science newsgroup to include
geology, geophysics, climate.

It's that simple.

"Joe" <see_real_...@sig.lin> wrote in message

news:36e4b5ptaocetcnuoi0q54ukbhres93ojn@4ax.com...


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Paul  
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 More options Sep 20, 8:17 am
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From: Paul <m...@my.com>
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 17:17:05 -0500
Local: Sun, Sep 20 2009 8:17 am
Subject: Re: Searching For Real Geology Groups

John D99 wrote:
> Somebody needs to establish a moderated earth science newsgroup to include
> geology, geophysics, climate.

> It's that simple.

Someone.

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Alan Johnson  
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 More options Sep 20, 5:59 pm
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From: Alan Johnson <afjohn...@geotrans-online.de>
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 09:59:30 +0200
Local: Sun, Sep 20 2009 5:59 pm
Subject: Re: Searching For Real Geology Groups

Paul wrote:
> John D99 wrote:
>> Somebody needs to establish a moderated earth science newsgroup to
>> include geology, geophysics, climate.

>> It's that simple.

> Someone.

I suppose you could worse than here:

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/geological/

Traffic is usually very slow, but the more interested people join, the
more the chance it will liven up. But new members are moderated
initially and the lunatic fringe is not tolerated, nor are (generally)
posts with religious or political content. I started the group a few
years ago. For some reason good discussions never really seem to get off
the ground. Worth looking at though, innit?

Regards

--
Alan Johnson, Geotr@ns
www.geotrans-online.de
German-English, Geosciences/Technical
http://geotransblog.blogspot.com/
Terminus Est


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Paul  
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 More options Sep 21, 2:47 am
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From: Paul <m...@my.com>
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 11:47:36 -0500
Local: Mon, Sep 21 2009 2:47 am
Subject: Re: Searching For Real Geology Groups

Thanks Alan.
Good to hear from you.
I just applied to the Yahoo group.
Paul in Houston

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Australia Mining Pioneer  
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 More options Sep 21, 3:49 pm
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From: Australia Mining Pioneer <sir.jeanpaul-turc...@neuf.fr>
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 22:49:22 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Mon, Sep 21 2009 3:49 pm
Subject: Re: Searching For Real Geology Groups
On Sep 20, 9:59 am, Alan Johnson <afjohn...@geotrans-online.de> wrote:

snipped previous rants for decency's sake

That lunatic majority, you should say Johnson.... That mad consensus
on Glaciations, Ice Ages,  Continental rafting, Millionz of yearzz
etc

Challenge to your Universities backed  imbecility & cretinism is
disturbing to you, it seems !

Why not base such proposed site on the Fraudulent Official Geology in
the "Valley of the Blind" ? They sure would welcome you since they
have about the same intelligence of the Universe as the Oxford
Bougredanes who started the present Sham

Sir Jean-Paul Turcaud


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jonathan  
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 More options Sep 22, 9:04 am
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From: "jonathan" <H...@away.net>
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 19:04:14 -0400
Local: Tues, Sep 22 2009 9:04 am
Subject: Re: Searching For Real Geology Groups

"Joe" <see_real_...@sig.lin> wrote in message

news:36e4b5ptaocetcnuoi0q54ukbhres93ojn@4ax.com...

> Now that nearly all of the real fans of geology have fled this
> newsgroup, leaving it mostly as a playground for mentally disturbed
> egotists, I have to ask: Are there any good on-line forums where
> geology is discussed? I want to find a group with content similar to
> what this group was 7 to 10 years ago.

> Please help - I'm starving for geo-content!

> I'm posting this here in the remote possibility that one of the
> old-timers may pop in once in a while just out of nostalgia, or
> whatever.

> Joe

> (ps - no offense to you, Barbara; I did say "nearly all")

An impatient geologist? I'm still pondering my reply to a thread
that started 5 years ago.

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jonathan  
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 More options Sep 22, 11:30 am
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From: "jonathan" <H...@away.net>
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 21:30:23 -0400
Local: Tues, Sep 22 2009 11:30 am
Subject: Re: Searching For Real Geology Groups

>"Australia Mining Pioneer & Founder of the True Geology" <jpturc...@neuf.fr>
>wrote in >message
>news:74359227-af69-441e-9b80-63f00e85162c@p23g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
> Excellent Mr Oriel ...   I applaud both hands in fact at your
> remarks.
> By the way the epithet "real geology" used by Joe implies some doubt
> about the reality of present one....
> Could he be looking for True Geology by any chance ?
> jpturcaud

Well, if someone doesn't believe in modern science in totality, then
that person must be technically considered insane. Or at the very least
suffering from some disorder or another.

The majority is clear on this, and as always, will prevail.

But some look at the current state of modern science and
point out the simple fact that it's ..."just not good enough".
It's so annoying to them to have the gaping holes and logical
contradictions pointed out. Which spans the disciplines.

So many brick walls in space, time or energy for them.

Ask 'them' very simple questions and watch them babble away.
What's gravity? What's light?  Oh ...well ...they might reply...
"someday we'll create energies above ...ten raised to the fourteen billion
electron volts, where we think all the fundamental forces and gravity
merge into one, and...

"Then we'll have it all figured out".  They might say.

Oh, so then you'll be sure how life first started on Earth?
Or give us the equation for a good poem?
You'll be able to answer all the questions of meaning then?

"Science doesn't do that!"  They're quick to respond.

And that's not a cop-out? Some deranged kook might ask.
Just today I read this Prof from Cambridge explain
the current state of the art with one of those questions
of meaning.

"The final display contains recent pictures of Mars, the center
of a current discussion about life's origins. Knoll said once
we understand how life on Earth evolved, we can begin to think
about the possibility of it arising on other planets as well."
"The final question is a big one," Knoll said.
http://www.news.harvard.edu/gazette/2004/10.07/15-origins.html

Let me translate  He said ......"I DON'T KNOW".

Why don't they just say that instead? Always the caveats.
And isn't it more likely that ...we won't figure out how life on
Earth formed, until we find how out life evolves ...elsewhere?

Caveats everywhere!

"If only" they will say, 'if only' we had a bigger computer, or could
smash things into smaller particles, or if we just had a larger telescope.
"If only" we could see farther away, dig deeper, heat things higher
or travel to another world.

Then... "we'll have it all figured out".

No they won't, not as long as they keep breaking things apart
in order to understand the whole. Not as long as they assume
detailing the simplest of the physical universe is the path to
understanding the whole....life.

For just as a large statistical sample gives the best representation
of behavior, the fundamental laws of the physical universe are best
derived from the most complex the universe has to offer.
Life!

"But life, emotions and all that can't be quantified"  They say.
"Without exact answers it's not science" They say.

But even Dickinson, fifty years before the discovery of the
Uncertainty Principle, knew that objective methods alone
cannot answer the true mysteries of reality. And until
subjective and objective methods are merged, returning
the observer to the 'calculations, much as Einstein did with
relativity, we'll continue to see only half of what's there.

And we'll remain in the dark with everything except for the least
meaningful questions of all. Which is the specialty and limit
of our beloved 'modern science'.

      "Perception of an
      Object costs
      Precise the Object's loss.
      Perception in itself a gain
      Replying to its price;
      The Object Absolute is nought,
      Perception sets it fair,
      And then upbraids a Perfectness
      That situates so far."

Only then will we be able to see the true simplicity of the universe.
Which is  where classical behavior transitions to quantum behavior, where
both are intractably entangled,  then self organization spontaneously occurs.
Or more abstractly....

At the Union of Newton and Heisenberg, ...Darwin emerges.

At the unstable equilibrium between the ultimate of opposite
extremes, the ultimate creation emerges.

Now that's a proper grand unified theory imho.  Try it and see!

Newton                      Darwin                     Heisenberg

deterministic                complex                  statistical
static                >        dynamic            <      chaotic
solid                 >          liquid              <         gas

classical motion  >   thermodynamics    <    quantum motion
condensation              cloud                         evaporation
gravity                   space-time                  cosmic expansion

dictatorship       >      democracy          <        anarchy
rule of law                  elections                       freedom
producer                     markets                      consumer

genetics               natural selection                 mutation
knowledge        >      art/genius           <       imagination
truth                            beauty                           love
instincts                   intelligence                     emotions

geology                    biosphere                        life
science             >    philosophy            <       religion
needs                      contentment                  desires

matter                          light                            energy
words                         poetry                        imagery
male                            children                      female

Simple motion           Cyclic motion             Random motion

Newton                       Darwin                     Heisenberg

And so on                   And so on.              And so on

s


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Graystar  
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 More options Oct 28, 2:13 pm
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From: "Graystar" <grays...@polyhexamethylene.org>
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 21:13:24 -0600
Local: Wed, Oct 28 2009 2:13 pm
Subject: Re: Searching For Real Geology Groups
You could probably do that on Annexcafe.com, if you like their rules
and assign moderators for the group with limited control.
They have NGs there you can set up <if they still are around>
If I remember right, Greg owns it and Ishie is or was one of the chief
moderators.
At least it would give some control.

"Paul" <m...@my.com> wrote in message

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> John D99 wrote:
>> Somebody needs to establish a moderated earth science newsgroup to
>> include geology, geophysics, climate.

>> It's that simple.

> Someone.

http://www.USENETHOST.com 100% Uncensored , 100% Anonymous,         5$/month  Only!

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