> On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 03:13:14 -0800, > "JosephKK"<quiettechb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 02:14:57 -0800, D from BC >><myrealaddr...@comic.com> wrote:
>>>On Sun, 01 Nov 2009 23:52:56 -0800, >>>"JosephKK"<quiettechb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>Say what? The question is not so much about what a Christian might >>>>>>believe, but rather about they behave. This is also what the New >>>>>>Testament tries to teach. Read it again, more carefully this time, >>>>>>why don't you?
>>>>>imo..the bible is not readable. >>>>>Example: >>>>>Jonah 1:17 Now the LORD had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah. >>>>>And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights.
>>>>>What good is book when read one thinks ' What!? Huh? wtf?'
>>>>>D from BC >>>>>Amateur smps designer >>>>>British Columbia, Canada >>>>>Posted to sci.electronics.design
>>>>You are entitled to your opinion. Just don't expect anybody to have >>>>the same opinion.
>>>Who claims to understand the bible 100%? >>>What % of the bible is understood by Christians? >>>If 5%-10% of the bible is understood by Christians, it's not a useful >>>book.
>>Inglory be. You are kind of hearing what i am trying to get across. >>From my perspective only about 1% of (sogenanten) xtians read or >>understand more that a few phases of the new testament, let alone the >>whole bible.
> Joke: xtians = Christians + X-Files > Spooky Christian stuff with spooky mysteries using spooky language.
>>>>Not that i will ever defend any religious text much. I may from time >>>>to time ask for honesty when reading them.
>>>I wouldn't expect honestly from the bible. >>>At worst, it could be all lies just to serve one purpose... Obedience. >>>It's all about obedience. Obey this, obey that. >>> God wants this and God wants that. >>> Behave you monkey animal! or Mr. Magic God will send a feathered >>>angel to spank your intelligently designed ass.
>>Try reading the bible instead of spouting off about it. It does NOT >>say what you claim. I found out the easy way, i read it.
> REally.... > Who claims that reading desert goat herder philosophy and tall tales > written in 1611 english has radically changed/improved/enriched their > lifes? > Modern books on 'the human experience' are easier to read, backed by > evidence, written by scientists and researchers hopefully following > protocols to keep the bullshit factor low. > What controlled the bullshit factor for the bible? Nobody lied? > People lie for attention,profit,control and gain. > How can you trust the bible when people are liars? > 3000 years ago it was easy to be a liar. > People barely knew anything 3000 years ago.
Can you cast metals without a casting book or a casting supplier? Or build a fire to melt gold, bronze, iron or other metals without using matches or any other modern fire starters? Can you make an iron object from ore? I have the feeling the desert monkeys knew their stuff as well as, if not better than, you know yours. How would your electronics design skills help you if you were living 3000 years ago?
>>On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 02:14:57 -0800, D from BC >><myrealaddr...@comic.com> wrote:
>>>On Sun, 01 Nov 2009 23:52:56 -0800, >>>"JosephKK"<quiettechb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>Say what? The question is not so much about what a Christian might >>>>>>believe, but rather about they behave. This is also what the New >>>>>>Testament tries to teach. Read it again, more carefully this time, >>>>>>why don't you?
>>>>>imo..the bible is not readable. >>>>>Example: >>>>>Jonah 1:17 Now the LORD had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah. >>>>>And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights.
>>>>>What good is book when read one thinks ' What!? Huh? wtf?'
>>>>>D from BC >>>>>Amateur smps designer >>>>>British Columbia, Canada >>>>>Posted to sci.electronics.design
>>>>You are entitled to your opinion. Just don't expect anybody to have >>>>the same opinion.
>>>Who claims to understand the bible 100%? >>>What % of the bible is understood by Christians? >>>If 5%-10% of the bible is understood by Christians, it's not a useful >>>book.
>>Inglory be. You are kind of hearing what i am trying to get across. >>From my perspective only about 1% of (sogenanten) xtians read or >>understand more that a few phases of the new testament, let alone the >>whole bible.
>Joke: xtians = Christians + X-Files >Spooky Christian stuff with spooky mysteries using spooky language.
>>>>Not that i will ever defend any religious text much. I may from time >>>>to time ask for honesty when reading them.
>>>I wouldn't expect honestly from the bible. >>>At worst, it could be all lies just to serve one purpose... Obedience. >>>It's all about obedience. Obey this, obey that. >>> God wants this and God wants that. >>> Behave you monkey animal! or Mr. Magic God will send a feathered >>>angel to spank your intelligently designed ass.
>>Try reading the bible instead of spouting off about it. It does NOT >>say what you claim. I found out the easy way, i read it.
>REally.... >Who claims that reading desert goat herder philosophy and tall tales >written in 1611 english has radically changed/improved/enriched their >lifes?
For starters it is compiled writings of thousands of years written in several languages, including Hebrew, Aramaic, Egyptian, Greek, and others.
Most modern versions lean heavily on the Vulgate Latin translation as does the King James Version (such as the NKJV, NIV, NASB, TGTB).
>Modern books on 'the human experience' are easier to read, backed by >evidence, written by scientists and researchers hopefully following >protocols to keep the bullshit factor low.
Ease of reading is so not to the point for way too many Xtians.
>What controlled the bullshit factor for the bible? Nobody lied?
You should know the claims that are common.
>People lie for attention,profit,control and gain.
No change for millennia.
>How can you trust the bible when people are liars?
You should know the claims that are common.
>3000 years ago it was easy to be a liar. >People barely knew anything 3000 years ago.
Actually in many ways it is far easier in the US today, nobody here wants to bother checking anything, except for a few more diligent people. Plus with mass media the BIG LIE is vastly easier now.
> > Really.... > > Who claims that reading desert goat herder philosophy and tall tales > > written in 1611 english has radically changed/improved/enriched their > > lifes? > > Modern books on 'the human experience' are easier to read, backed by > > evidence, written by scientists and researchers hopefully following > > protocols to keep the bullshit factor low. > > What controlled the bullshit factor for the bible? Nobody lied? > > People lie for attention,profit,control and gain. > > How can you trust the bible when people are liars? > > 3000 years ago it was easy to be a liar. > > People barely knew anything 3000 years ago.
> Can you cast metals without a casting book or a casting supplier? Or build > a fire to melt gold, bronze, iron or other metals without using matches or > any other modern fire starters? Can you make an iron object from ore? I > have the feeling the desert monkeys knew their stuff as well as, if not > better than, you know yours. How would your electronics design skills help > you if you were living 3000 years ago?
>> > Really.... >> > Who claims that reading desert goat herder philosophy and tall tales >> > written in 1611 english has radically changed/improved/enriched their >> > lifes? >> > Modern books on 'the human experience' are easier to read, backed by >> > evidence, written by scientists and researchers hopefully following >> > protocols to keep the bullshit factor low. >> > What controlled the bullshit factor for the bible? Nobody lied? >> > People lie for attention,profit,control and gain. >> > How can you trust the bible when people are liars? >> > 3000 years ago it was easy to be a liar. >> > People barely knew anything 3000 years ago.
>> Can you cast metals without a casting book or a casting supplier? Or >> build >> a fire to melt gold, bronze, iron or other metals without using matches >> or >> any other modern fire starters? Can you make an iron object from ore? I >> have the feeling the desert monkeys knew their stuff as well as, if not >> better than, you know yours. How would your electronics design skills >> help >> you if you were living 3000 years ago?
> You're new here. They don't help him now.
> -- > The movie 'Deliverance' isn't a documentary!
DofBC thinks all these "dessert monkey's" barely knew anything, but they're described as at least knowing how to make idols from raw materials, most modern folks don't know how to do that. What they knew applied to what they needed to know in the time that they lived, and probably not much less than we know today relatively. Bottom line is that they seemed to be quite capable for not having the modern education and resources we have today. More capable than many of us would be if we had to start where they were.
On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 18:00:08 -0600, "RogerN" <re...@midwest.net> wrote:
>DofBC thinks all these "dessert monkey's" barely knew anything, but they're
They all probably had really bad tooth decay.. No wonder they were praying to a God.. It was the tooth pain!
>described as at least knowing how to make idols from raw materials, most >modern folks don't know how to do that. What they knew applied to what they >needed to know in the time that they lived, and probably not much less than
A time without the internet!!! How barbaric!
>we know today relatively. Bottom line is that they seemed to be quite >capable for not having the modern education and resources we have today. >More capable than many of us would be if we had to start where they were.
Jesus would be Joe Schmuck nobody if he just got sick and died like many other people at that time.. Jesus coughing up blood from tuberculosis isn't as hollywood as gore,torture and execution.
'....And Jesus planted daisies in his senior years and one day just vanished.' A story like that is a better role model and is more mysterious.
>>>On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 02:14:57 -0800, D from BC >>><myrealaddr...@comic.com> wrote:
>>>>On Sun, 01 Nov 2009 23:52:56 -0800, >>>>"JosephKK"<quiettechb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>Say what? The question is not so much about what a Christian might >>>>>>>believe, but rather about they behave. This is also what the New >>>>>>>Testament tries to teach. Read it again, more carefully this time, >>>>>>>why don't you?
>>>>>>imo..the bible is not readable. >>>>>>Example: >>>>>>Jonah 1:17 Now the LORD had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah. >>>>>>And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights.
>>>>>>What good is book when read one thinks ' What!? Huh? wtf?'
>>>>>>D from BC >>>>>>Amateur smps designer >>>>>>British Columbia, Canada >>>>>>Posted to sci.electronics.design
>>>>>You are entitled to your opinion. Just don't expect anybody to have >>>>>the same opinion.
>>>>Who claims to understand the bible 100%? >>>>What % of the bible is understood by Christians? >>>>If 5%-10% of the bible is understood by Christians, it's not a useful >>>>book.
>>>Inglory be. You are kind of hearing what i am trying to get across. >>>From my perspective only about 1% of (sogenanten) xtians read or >>>understand more that a few phases of the new testament, let alone the >>>whole bible.
>> Joke: xtians = Christians + X-Files >> Spooky Christian stuff with spooky mysteries using spooky language.
>>>>>Not that i will ever defend any religious text much. I may from time >>>>>to time ask for honesty when reading them.
>>>>I wouldn't expect honestly from the bible. >>>>At worst, it could be all lies just to serve one purpose... Obedience. >>>>It's all about obedience. Obey this, obey that. >>>> God wants this and God wants that. >>>> Behave you monkey animal! or Mr. Magic God will send a feathered >>>>angel to spank your intelligently designed ass.
>>>Try reading the bible instead of spouting off about it. It does NOT >>>say what you claim. I found out the easy way, i read it.
>> REally.... >> Who claims that reading desert goat herder philosophy and tall tales >> written in 1611 english has radically changed/improved/enriched their >> lifes? >> Modern books on 'the human experience' are easier to read, backed by >> evidence, written by scientists and researchers hopefully following >> protocols to keep the bullshit factor low. >> What controlled the bullshit factor for the bible? Nobody lied? >> People lie for attention,profit,control and gain. >> How can you trust the bible when people are liars? >> 3000 years ago it was easy to be a liar. >> People barely knew anything 3000 years ago.
>Can you cast metals without a casting book or a casting supplier? Or build >a fire to melt gold, bronze, iron or other metals without using matches or >any other modern fire starters? Can you make an iron object from ore? I >have the feeling the desert monkeys knew their stuff as well as, if not >better than, you know yours. How would your electronics design skills help >you if you were living 3000 years ago?
>RogerN
I don't speak of D, but for myself, the Physics, Chemistry, Sociology, manufacturing history, etc., underlying my EE would hold me in quite good stead if i could get through the first month (language issues).
How well would you fare? And with what potentially valuable expertise?
On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 09:30:29 -0600, "RogerN" <re...@midwest.net> wrote:
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>Can you cast metals without a casting book or a casting supplier? Or build >a fire to melt gold, bronze, iron or other metals without using matches or >any other modern fire starters? Can you make an iron object from ore? I >have the feeling the desert monkeys knew their stuff as well as, if not >better than, you know yours. How would your electronics design skills help >you if you were living 3000 years ago?
>RogerN
/ /I don't speak of D, but for myself, the Physics, Chemistry, Sociology, /manufacturing history, etc., underlying my EE would hold me in quite /good stead if i could get through the first month (language issues). / /How well would you fare? And with what potentially valuable /expertise? /
Maybe OK, it's hard to know without being in the situation. I have some wood working, metal working, machining, casting, and forging skills. Also electrical and mechanical aptitude. Hunting, fishing, gardening, etc... I guess I would say I have good basic skills that could be used in many different ways, survival being one.
On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 13:41:49 -0800, D from BC <myrealaddr...@comic.com> wrote:
>A Big Bang without photons! Amazing...:P >I tremble in fear at such superiority. A God worthy of worship!
You do not seem to remember the state of matter at the 'time'.
There were no elements yet, so why would there have been photons?
You seem to be the one that did not think it though.
Also, how do you know even what form that what we know of as "heat" was in at the 'time'.
IR photon emission is the result of heat, not necessarily the producer of it. Though it is a good carrier of heat energy. Anything above absolute zero emits IR photons.
On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 18:14:17 -0800, The Great Attractor
<Sup...@ssiveBlackHoleAtTheCenterOfTheMilkyWayGalaxy.org> wrote: >On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 13:41:49 -0800, D from BC <myrealaddr...@comic.com> >wrote:
>>A Big Bang without photons! Amazing...:P >>I tremble in fear at such superiority. A God worthy of worship!
> You do not seem to remember the state of matter at the 'time'.
> There were no elements yet, so why would there have been photons?
Name a type of super massive intense explosion that makes no light..
> You seem to be the one that did not think it though.
> Also, how do you know even what form that what we know of as "heat" was >in at the 'time'.
> IR photon emission is the result of heat, not necessarily the producer >of it. Though it is a good carrier of heat energy. Anything above >absolute zero emits IR photons.
>>> On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 04:50:53 -0800, The Great Attractor >>> <Sup...@ssiveBlackHoleAtTheCenterOfTheMilkyWayGalaxy.org> wrote:
>>>>On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 21:00:11 -0800, D from BC <myrealaddr...@comic.com> >>>>wrote:
>>>>>Name a type of super massive intense explosion that makes no light..
>>>> You STILL do not remember the early events of the universe.
>>>> It ALL happened BEFORE there was ANY "MASS" of any kind. There was no >>>>mass, no elements.
>>>> What makes you think it was an "explosion"?
>>> I'm backing up a bit to get some clarity on something that is probably >>> not possible to be clear about...
>>> Is it a correct and popular interpretation that the bible claims >>> 1) there was a big bang >>> And... >>> 2) the big bang made no light.
>>Didn't the light come a few days later? Just a little slow getting here :)
> How long is a day in that compressed, new, expanding even faster than >light moves space-time zone of the Universe?
I think it's cheating when the english language is modified to make the bible less goofy. When 'day' is read in genesis it most likely refers to the idea of 'day' at the time of writing. iows...The language/meaning (semantics) at that time.. I"m guessing a 'day' meant sunset to sunset. If God said to Moses.. 'I created the universe in 0.00000000000001 jesuseconds.' Now that would be a God worthy of worship! The bible has no scientific data not even concepts of time beyond what was observed by desert goat herders. God can't teach a new word for time? But will kill someone working on the Sabbath....yeah.. ok.
If every fkn word in the bible doesn't mean what it's supposed to mean then it's a cryptic document that can be twisted to mean just about anything. For good communication, writer and reader have to agree on the meaning of words. If it's Gods intent to make it so that there's poor communication in the bible then isn't that a god deliberately jerking people around. If parts of the bible are vague, what good are those parts? (Ex. All of genesis) What good is 5% of a painting? If you twist the language around enough, one can turn 'Alice in Wonderland' into creation theory.
Even if true, creationism is ridiculous! But it's not true, so it's double ridiculous! And the bible is human based(people are imaginative liars), which should disqualify us from guessing at how the universe came to be .. so creationism is triple ridiculous!
A god that takes all day long to make a universe and can't personally write a book is silly god. The bible is a communication mess, slow at creating matter and has no evidence of existing. God is not good role model. God is like someone working at a McDonalds drive thru.
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