On Mar 13, 6:21 pm, JeffM <jef...@email.com> wrote:
> Mark wrote: > >Google has enough money they could hire 20 people that could monitor > >all of News / Google groups, go through each one once a day and just > >delete the stuff. It would take a few minutes a day per group.
> You've COMPLETELY missed the point of an *archive*.
No I haven't..... I'll try to make it more clear for you.
Google could edit out the SPAM but keep the rest of the good posts in the archive. It does no good to keep _everything_ including spam in the archive. That makes it more difficult to find the good information. Mark
On Mar 14, 9:17 am, Mark <makol...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Not related to Mark's post, but I'll just stick it here.
It seems to me "Spam" only works if it's really, really easy on the sending end. In order to be effective, the spam must be essentially free & effortless to send.
If you can attach a monetary or time penalty to the sending of spam, you will stop it dead in its tracks. The spammers will not invest either to get the job done.
With S.E.D., other than moderating it, I wonder if there are some obstacles that could be thrown up that to that end?
<robertb...@localnet.com> wrote: > How in the #$)#$))%^@)#$#(!*&@#!$) can these XXX rated and fake junk >sales postings be *PERMANTLY* be blocked before they get posted?
Quite simply, we so far have had no way to put the relative executives toes to the fire.
>>On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 01:16:11 -0800 Robert Baer <robertb...@localnet.com> >>wrote in Message id: <13tholnj9ufp...@corp.supernews.com>:
>>> How in the #$)#$))%^@)#$#(!*&@#!$) can these XXX rated and fake junk >>>sales postings be *PERMANTLY* be blocked before they get posted?
>>Nuke Googlegroups.
>I have, except for a couple of known posters that I white-list.
>Agent won't filter on Message-ID but by using Hamster as an >intermediary, all of the google-originated junk gets thrown away >before it even gets my Agent client.
>I've seen, somewhere (el Reg?), that the captcha used to block bots >from signing up for google accounts has been broken with a high enough >success rate that it's now 'worthwhile' for the spammers to grab >throw-away accounts.
So you use hamster to do the filtering that Agent cannot? I am getting interested but i am *nix centric.
Rich Webb wrote: >>Agent won't filter on Message-ID but by using Hamster as an >>intermediary, all of the google-originated junk gets thrown away >>before it even gets my Agent client.
JosephKK wrote: >So you use hamster to do the filtering that Agent cannot? >I am getting interested but i am *nix centric.
>>As has already been noted in this thread, >>aoie has recently become a significant vector as well. >>It's just amazing what one unsupervised 13 year old can wreak. >>I haven't seen any traffic from *that* domain that anyone would miss.
>Unfortunately, there are...
>From: Jeroen Belleman <jer...@nospam.please> >Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design >Subject: Re: Choosing an AWG or function generator >Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 16:53:34 +0100 >Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server >Lines: 21 >Message-ID: <frbilu$38...@aioe.org>
>>Frithiof Andreas Jensen wrote: >>>Would there be anything lost in killing anything from Google?
>>Look at the header of one of Win Hill's recent posts >>and you will answer your own question.
>I think Win is a big enough boy to switch to a reputable method (as if >_any_ are really reputable :-)
> ...Jim Thompson
All this crap is posted from China addresses. Need to do an IP address lookup and eliminate stuff from [Google and China]. Better to do a DOS attack on the offenders web server with machines in China. I'm sure, for a price, the Russian spammers can do this sort of attack.
> All this crap is posted from China addresses. Need to do an IP address > lookup and eliminate stuff from [Google and China]. Better to do a DOS > attack on the offenders web server with machines in China. I'm sure, > for a price, the Russian spammers can do this sort of attack.
If you look up the IP address of most of those Chinese spammers, they are squatting on unassigned IP addresses.
-- aioe.org is home to cowards and terrorists
Add this line to your news proxy nfilter.dat file * drop Path:*aioe.org!not-for-mail to drop all aioe.org traffic.
>>On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 05:54:40 -0400, JW <n...@dev.null> wrote:
>>>On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 01:16:11 -0800 Robert Baer <robertb...@localnet.com> >>>wrote in Message id: <13tholnj9ufp...@corp.supernews.com>:
>>>> How in the #$)#$))%^@)#$#(!*&@#!$) can these XXX rated and fake junk >>>>sales postings be *PERMANTLY* be blocked before they get posted?
>>>Nuke Googlegroups.
>>I have, except for a couple of known posters that I white-list.
>>Agent won't filter on Message-ID but by using Hamster as an >>intermediary, all of the google-originated junk gets thrown away >>before it even gets my Agent client.
>>I've seen, somewhere (el Reg?), that the captcha used to block bots >>from signing up for google accounts has been broken with a high enough >>success rate that it's now 'worthwhile' for the spammers to grab >>throw-away accounts.
>So you use hamster to do the filtering that Agent cannot? >I am getting interested but i am *nix centric.
Yes, Agent has pretty good filtering options, including regular expressions, but it will only filter on the From and Subject header lines. Using Hamster or another "local newsserver" like NFilter, exposes the other header lines so Path and Message-ID can be used by Hamster to score the message.
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 18:59:42 -0700 (PDT), MooseFET
<kensm...@rahul.net> wrote: >On Mar 13, 7:53 am, "Frithiof Andreas Jensen" ><frithiof.jen...@diespammerdie.jensen.tdcadsl.dk> wrote: >> "Robert Baer" <robertb...@localnet.com> skrev i en meddelelsenews:13tholnj9ufp633@corp.supernews.com...
>> > How in the #$)#$))%^@)#$#(!*&@#!$) can these XXX rated and fake junk >> > sales postings be *PERMANTLY* be blocked before they get posted?
>> Would there be anything lost in killing anything from Google?
>I would be.
>I post from google.
Then quit and get a real news provider, and a real newsreader.
For providers try this search string "usenet providers". A few even offer "free" access. Though at US$2.95 a month, cost is a minor issue for most of the regulars here.
And likewise "usenet newsreader" for your newsreader selection. Many of these are free as well. Even Agent is inexpensive.
Rich Webb wrote: >Agent has pretty good filtering options, including regular expressions, >but it will only filter on the From and Subject header lines. >Using Hamster or another "local newsserver" like NFilter, >exposes the other header lines >so Path and Message-ID can be used by Hamster to score the message.
Note: The Gecko guys have promised the ability to filter on ANY header field in the next major release of Thunderbird (IceDove)/SeaMonkey (IceApe), due 1Q2008--so they recognize the need. (Hey, they still have 15 days to meet the schedule.)
On Sun, 16 Mar 2008 10:31:06 -0700 (PDT), JeffM <jef...@email.com> wrote:
>Rich Webb wrote: >>Agent has pretty good filtering options, including regular expressions, >>but it will only filter on the From and Subject header lines. >>Using Hamster or another "local newsserver" like NFilter, >>exposes the other header lines >>so Path and Message-ID can be used by Hamster to score the message.
>Note: >The Gecko guys have promised the ability to filter on ANY header field >in the next major release of Thunderbird (IceDove)/SeaMonkey (IceApe), >due 1Q2008--so they recognize the need. >(Hey, they still have 15 days to meet the schedule.)
Undocumented in Agent: Agent will filter on newsgroups, but you have to manually type in, for example...
Newsgroups: alt.usenet.kooks
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JosephKK wrote: > On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 00:38:35 -0800, Robert Baer > <robertb...@localnet.com> wrote:
>>JosephKK wrote:
>>>On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 01:16:11 -0800, Robert Baer >>><robertb...@localnet.com> wrote:
>>>> How in the #$)#$))%^@)#$#(!*&@#!$) can these XXX rated and fake junk >>>>sales postings be *PERMANTLY* be blocked before they get posted?
>>>Quite simply, we so far have had no way to put the relative executives >>>toes to the fire.
>> Well, if multi-million dollar court action against the company >>allowing this garbage puts it in financial jeprodary, those toes may be >>a bit roasted.
> So start it up.
I am Socially Insecure, and am lucky to feed & cloth myself. It takes money to gather evidence and hire a lawyer, etc...
> On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 18:59:42 -0700 (PDT), MooseFET
> <kensm...@rahul.net> wrote: > >On Mar 13, 7:53 am, "Frithiof Andreas Jensen" > ><frithiof.jen...@diespammerdie.jensen.tdcadsl.dk> wrote: > >> "Robert Baer" <robertb...@localnet.com> skrev i en meddelelsenews:13tholnj9ufp633@corp.supernews.com...
> >> > How in the #$)#$))%^@)#$#(!*&@#!$) can these XXX rated and fake junk > >> > sales postings be *PERMANTLY* be blocked before they get posted?
> >> Would there be anything lost in killing anything from Google?
> >I would be.
> >I post from google.
> Then quit and get a real news provider, and a real newsreader.
> For providers try this search string "usenet providers". A few even > offer "free" access. Though at US$2.95 a month, cost is a minor issue > for most of the regulars here.
> And likewise "usenet newsreader" for your newsreader selection. Many > of these are free as well. Even Agent is inexpensive.
Got one that allows me to access my news (and history of what I've read etc) from any browser on any machine? I switched to Google groups from a "real" reader for a reason, it has some real advantages.
<Zarathus...@thusspoke.org> wrote: >On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 22:11:53 -0800, Robert Baer <robertb...@localnet.com> >wrote:
>>JosephKK wrote: >>> On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 00:38:35 -0800, Robert Baer >>> <robertb...@localnet.com> wrote:
>>>>JosephKK wrote:
>>>>>On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 01:16:11 -0800, Robert Baer >>>>><robertb...@localnet.com> wrote:
>>>>>> How in the #$)#$))%^@)#$#(!*&@#!$) can these XXX rated and fake junk >>>>>>sales postings be *PERMANTLY* be blocked before they get posted?
>>>>>Quite simply, we so far have had no way to put the relative executives >>>>>toes to the fire.
>>>> Well, if multi-million dollar court action against the company >>>>allowing this garbage puts it in financial jeprodary, those toes may be >>>>a bit roasted.
>>> So start it up. >> I am Socially Insecure, and am lucky to feed & cloth myself. >> It takes money to gather evidence and hire a lawyer, etc...
> It would also require that a law be broken.
> I have broken no law in Usenet or on the Internet... EVER.
> The post forger, and the SPAMTards are committing offenses. Go after >them. As well as the server administrators of the servers they are >posting through.
> This is why Cox is going to ignore the ThompsonTard idiot.
> They are going to tell him about using filters, and when the pussified >dipshit says "I do use filters.", then they will tell him "Use them >then."
So why has the forger quit trying to impersonate Jim Thompson?
<altz...@gmail.com> wrote: >On Mar 17, 4:31 am, JosephKK <quiettechb...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 18:59:42 -0700 (PDT), MooseFET
>> <kensm...@rahul.net> wrote: >> >On Mar 13, 7:53 am, "Frithiof Andreas Jensen" >> ><frithiof.jen...@diespammerdie.jensen.tdcadsl.dk> wrote: >> >> "Robert Baer" <robertb...@localnet.com> skrev i en meddelelsenews:13tholnj9ufp633@corp.supernews.com...
>> >> > How in the #$)#$))%^@)#$#(!*&@#!$) can these XXX rated and fake junk >> >> > sales postings be *PERMANTLY* be blocked before they get posted?
>> >> Would there be anything lost in killing anything from Google?
>> >I would be.
>> >I post from google.
>> Then quit and get a real news provider, and a real newsreader.
>> For providers try this search string "usenet providers". A few even >> offer "free" access. Though at US$2.95 a month, cost is a minor issue >> for most of the regulars here.
>> And likewise "usenet newsreader" for your newsreader selection. Many >> of these are free as well. Even Agent is inexpensive.
>Got one that allows me to access my news (and history of what I've >read etc) from any browser on any machine? >I switched to Google groups from a "real" reader for a reason, it has >some real advantages.
>Dave.
As far as i know, none of the universal access, general or free providers prevents you from dealing with any of the several USENET news providers. The other Internet service providers (ISP) or may not provide USENET news themselves.
> On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 00:31:35 -0700 (PDT), "David L. Jones" > <altz...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>On Mar 17, 4:31 am, JosephKK <quiettechb...@yahoo.com> wrote: >>> On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 18:59:42 -0700 (PDT), MooseFET
>>> <kensm...@rahul.net> wrote: >>> >On Mar 13, 7:53 am, "Frithiof Andreas Jensen" >>> ><frithiof.jen...@diespammerdie.jensen.tdcadsl.dk> wrote: >>> >> "Robert Baer" <robertb...@localnet.com> skrev i en >>> >> meddelelsenews:13tholnj9ufp633@corp.supernews.com...
>>> >> > How in the #$)#$))%^@)#$#(!*&@#!$) can these XXX rated and fake >>> >> > junk >>> >> > sales postings be *PERMANTLY* be blocked before they get posted?
>>> >> Would there be anything lost in killing anything from Google?
>>> >I would be.
>>> >I post from google.
>>> Then quit and get a real news provider, and a real newsreader.
>>> For providers try this search string "usenet providers". A few even >>> offer "free" access. Though at US$2.95 a month, cost is a minor issue >>> for most of the regulars here.
>>> And likewise "usenet newsreader" for your newsreader selection. Many >>> of these are free as well. Even Agent is inexpensive.
>>Got one that allows me to access my news (and history of what I've >>read etc) from any browser on any machine? >>I switched to Google groups from a "real" reader for a reason, it has >>some real advantages.
>>Dave.
> As far as i know, none of the universal access, general or free > providers prevents you from dealing with any of the several USENET > news providers. The other Internet service providers (ISP) or may not > provide USENET news themselves.
Only thing that seems to work is for each of us to use the tools imbedded in our programmes. to select the offending posts and generate rules for each and every newsgroup and mail group that we monitor or use. It is a Royal PIA but filters our the trash. Sad there are so many illiterate people that use what was at one time a useful tool for dumping their garbage into. IMHO! FWIW.
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 01:16:11 -0800, Robert Baer wrote: > How in the #$)#$))%^@)#$#(!*&@#!$) can these XXX rated and fake junk > sales postings be *PERMANTLY* be blocked before they get posted?
I filter for "nude", "teen", "sex", "dick", and a few other choice terms in the subject line - also "cheap" and "wholesale" which are usually spam as well.
I use Pan newsreader, which has a really great filter thingie. :-)
On Wed, 26 Mar 2008 00:21:05 GMT, Rich Grise <r...@example.net> wrote: >On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 01:16:11 -0800, Robert Baer wrote:
>> How in the #$)#$))%^@)#$#(!*&@#!$) can these XXX rated and fake junk >> sales postings be *PERMANTLY* be blocked before they get posted?
>I filter for "nude", "teen", "sex", "dick", and a few other choice >terms in the subject line - also "cheap" and "wholesale" which are >usually spam as well.
>I use Pan newsreader, which has a really great filter thingie. :-)
>Good Luck! >Rich
I eliminate anything with Path:*googlegroups*, but prefaced by a white-list (NewsProxy/nfilter).
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