> On Nov 5, 12:41 am, "JosephKK"<quiettechb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 11:09:20 +0000, Raveninghorde
> > <raveninghorde@invalid> wrote: > > >One of my chaps is off to do his PhD, which means he will know a lot > > >about nothing.
> > >He asked me the other day if reversing the 24V AC power supply to a > > >board had caused damage to an elctrolytic capacitor. I don't think > > >you have to know the circuit to answer the question.
> > >Talk about not understanding what he knows.
> > How would you like working with an entire cadre (over 100) of EEs > > about that smart? That is why i have a love/hate relationship with my > > job.
> You think you're smarter than a cadre of over 100 EE's?
> You also think you're modest, right?
Well, maybe smarter than half. :^)
BTW, is the smartness comparison relative to each individual in the group, or the group as a whole? 'Cuz if it's the latter case, then you should really talk to management instead...
> On Nov 5, 12:41 am, "JosephKK"<quiettechb...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 11:09:20 +0000, Raveninghorde
> > <raveninghorde@invalid> wrote: > > >One of my chaps is off to do his PhD, which means he will know a lot > > >about nothing.
> > >He asked me the other day if reversing the 24V AC power supply to a > > >board had caused damage to an elctrolytic capacitor. I don't think > > >you have to know the circuit to answer the question.
> > >Talk about not understanding what he knows.
> > How would you like working with an entire cadre (over 100) of EEs > > about that smart? That is why i have a love/hate relationship with my > > job.
> You think you're smarter than a cadre of over 100 EE's?
If he works for a company* that figures it can get the same quality work out of 100 people with IQs of 75 as 50 people with IQs of 150, maybe he is.
*Old joke at Boeing: Someone told a manager it took 9 women-months to produce a baby. So he asked 9 women to get the job done in one month.
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>> On Nov 5, 12:41 am, "JosephKK"<quiettechb...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> > On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 11:09:20 +0000, Raveninghorde
>> > <raveninghorde@invalid> wrote: >> > >One of my chaps is off to do his PhD, which means he will know a lot >> > >about nothing.
>> > >He asked me the other day if reversing the 24V AC power supply to a >> > >board had caused damage to an elctrolytic capacitor. I don't think >> > >you have to know the circuit to answer the question.
>> > >Talk about not understanding what he knows.
>> > How would you like working with an entire cadre (over 100) of EEs >> > about that smart? That is why i have a love/hate relationship with my >> > job.
>> You think you're smarter than a cadre of over 100 EE's?
>If he works for a company* that figures it can get the same quality work >out of 100 people with IQs of 75 as 50 people with IQs of 150, maybe he >is.
[snip worthless joke]
Hovnanian thinks the world revolves around his kind of "cadre". It doesn't... his "cadre" are the losers of this world... Hovnanian is the leader of the band ;-)
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>On Nov 5, 12:41 am, "JosephKK"<quiettechb...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 11:09:20 +0000, Raveninghorde
>> <raveninghorde@invalid> wrote: >> >One of my chaps is off to do his PhD, which means he will know a lot >> >about nothing.
>> >He asked me the other day if reversing the 24V AC power supply to a >> >board had caused damage to an elctrolytic capacitor. I don't think >> >you have to know the circuit to answer the question.
>> >Talk about not understanding what he knows.
>> How would you like working with an entire cadre (over 100) of EEs >> about that smart? That is why i have a love/hate relationship with my >> job.
>You think you're smarter than a cadre of over 100 EE's?
Yes, come meet them. See how many can still use Ohms law, and how many recognize Shannon's law.
>You also think you're modest, right?
Not particularly, nor do i think i am dishonest. Come try working with the characters i have to work with. If you volunteer there is a one year opening in Sacramento.
<tmoran...@gmail.com> wrote: >On Nov 5, 2:48 am, Greegor <greego...@gmail.com> wrote: >> On Nov 5, 12:41 am, "JosephKK"<quiettechb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 11:09:20 +0000, Raveninghorde
>> > <raveninghorde@invalid> wrote: >> > >One of my chaps is off to do his PhD, which means he will know a lot >> > >about nothing.
>> > >He asked me the other day if reversing the 24V AC power supply to a >> > >board had caused damage to an elctrolytic capacitor. I don't think >> > >you have to know the circuit to answer the question.
>> > >Talk about not understanding what he knows.
>> > How would you like working with an entire cadre (over 100) of EEs >> > about that smart? That is why i have a love/hate relationship with my >> > job.
>> You think you're smarter than a cadre of over 100 EE's?
>> You also think you're modest, right?
>Well, maybe smarter than half. :^)
>BTW, is the smartness comparison relative to each individual in the >group, or the group as a whole? 'Cuz if it's the latter case, then >you should really talk to management instead...
>Tim
In a sense that discussion has occurred, and the bottom of the barrel wages has been partially relieved over the past few years. It did not improve the quality of existing employees.
>>> On Nov 5, 12:41 am, "JosephKK"<quiettechb...@yahoo.com> wrote: >>> > On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 11:09:20 +0000, Raveninghorde
>>> > <raveninghorde@invalid> wrote: >>> > >One of my chaps is off to do his PhD, which means he will know a lot >>> > >about nothing.
>>> > >He asked me the other day if reversing the 24V AC power supply to a >>> > >board had caused damage to an elctrolytic capacitor. I don't think >>> > >you have to know the circuit to answer the question.
>>> > >Talk about not understanding what he knows.
>>> > How would you like working with an entire cadre (over 100) of EEs >>> > about that smart? That is why i have a love/hate relationship with my >>> > job.
>>> You think you're smarter than a cadre of over 100 EE's?
>>If he works for a company* that figures it can get the same quality work >>out of 100 people with IQs of 75 as 50 people with IQs of 150, maybe he >>is.
>[snip worthless joke]
>Hovnanian thinks the world revolves around his kind of "cadre". It >doesn't... his "cadre" are the losers of this world... Hovnanian is >the leader of the band ;-)
> ...Jim Thompson
I do not believe that your response is called for.
Most of the idiots you have to work with are managers that screwed up long term until getting into the situation where they needed to hire someone like you. Most of the idiots you deal with i say.
krw wrote: > On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 11:09:20 +0000, Raveninghorde > <raveninghorde@invalid> wrote:
>> One of my chaps is off to do his PhD, which means he will know a lot >> about nothing.
>> He asked me the other day if reversing the 24V AC power supply to a >> board had caused damage to an elctrolytic capacitor. I don't think >> you have to know the circuit to answer the question.
>> Talk about not understanding what he knows.
> Many moons ago, when GE still made small appliances, they had a > troubleshooting tip for a toaster suggesting that if it didn't work > the user should try reversing the plug. Kinda cute, actually.
They might have put that bit in because its less insulting than to say "PLUG THE DAMN THING IN!"
<Rhyol...@NETTALLY.COM> wrote: >krw wrote: >> On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 11:09:20 +0000, Raveninghorde >> <raveninghorde@invalid> wrote:
>>> One of my chaps is off to do his PhD, which means he will know a lot >>> about nothing.
>>> He asked me the other day if reversing the 24V AC power supply to a >>> board had caused damage to an elctrolytic capacitor. I don't think >>> you have to know the circuit to answer the question.
>>> Talk about not understanding what he knows.
>> Many moons ago, when GE still made small appliances, they had a >> troubleshooting tip for a toaster suggesting that if it didn't work >> the user should try reversing the plug. Kinda cute, actually.
>They might have put that bit in because its less insulting than to say >"PLUG THE DAMN THING IN!"
> On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 22:04:06 -0500, RFI-EMI-GUY > <Rhyol...@NETTALLY.COM> wrote:
> >krw wrote: > >> On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 11:09:20 +0000, Raveninghorde > >> <raveninghorde@invalid> wrote:
> >>> One of my chaps is off to do his PhD, which means he will know a lot > >>> about nothing.
> >>> He asked me the other day if reversing the 24V AC power supply to a > >>> board had caused damage to an elctrolytic capacitor. I don't think > >>> you have to know the circuit to answer the question.
> >>> Talk about not understanding what he knows.
> >> Many moons ago, when GE still made small appliances, they had a > >> troubleshooting tip for a toaster suggesting that if it didn't work > >> the user should try reversing the plug. Kinda cute, actually.
> >They might have put that bit in because its less insulting than to say > >"PLUG THE DAMN THING IN!"
> Exactly; kinda cute. ;-)
Except for the fact tat GE never made those appliances. They were made by Black & Decker for GE.
>> On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 22:04:06 -0500, RFI-EMI-GUY >> <Rhyol...@NETTALLY.COM> wrote:
>> >krw wrote: >> >> On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 11:09:20 +0000, Raveninghorde >> >> <raveninghorde@invalid> wrote:
>> >>> One of my chaps is off to do his PhD, which means he will know a lot >> >>> about nothing.
>> >>> He asked me the other day if reversing the 24V AC power supply to a >> >>> board had caused damage to an elctrolytic capacitor. I don't think >> >>> you have to know the circuit to answer the question.
>> >>> Talk about not understanding what he knows.
>> >> Many moons ago, when GE still made small appliances, they had a >> >> troubleshooting tip for a toaster suggesting that if it didn't work >> >> the user should try reversing the plug. Kinda cute, actually.
>> >They might have put that bit in because its less insulting than to say >> >"PLUG THE DAMN THING IN!"
>> Exactly; kinda cute. ;-)
> Except for the fact tat GE never made those appliances. They were >made by Black & Decker for GE.
Hmmmm? IIRC GE (appliances) and Black & Decker were separate entities until B & D bought the GE Small Appliance Division , retained the name for quite some time, then started labeling them as B & D ??
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> On Mon, 09 Nov 2009 09:15:30 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell" > <mike.terr...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >krw wrote:
> >> On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 22:04:06 -0500, RFI-EMI-GUY > >> <Rhyol...@NETTALLY.COM> wrote:
> >> >krw wrote: > >> >> On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 11:09:20 +0000, Raveninghorde > >> >> <raveninghorde@invalid> wrote:
> >> >>> One of my chaps is off to do his PhD, which means he will know a lot > >> >>> about nothing.
> >> >>> He asked me the other day if reversing the 24V AC power supply to a > >> >>> board had caused damage to an elctrolytic capacitor. I don't think > >> >>> you have to know the circuit to answer the question.
> >> >>> Talk about not understanding what he knows.
> >> >> Many moons ago, when GE still made small appliances, they had a > >> >> troubleshooting tip for a toaster suggesting that if it didn't work > >> >> the user should try reversing the plug. Kinda cute, actually.
> >> >They might have put that bit in because its less insulting than to say > >> >"PLUG THE DAMN THING IN!"
> >> Exactly; kinda cute. ;-)
> > Except for the fact tat GE never made those appliances. They were > >made by Black & Decker for GE.
> Hmmmm? IIRC GE (appliances) and Black & Decker were separate entities > until B & D bought the GE Small Appliance Division , retained the name > for quite some time, then started labeling them as B & D ??
I used to buy tools from a B&D factory outlet store. They always had piles of refurbished GE coffee makers and toasters, along with other GE odds & ends. This was years before they put their own name on them. When I asked about them, I was told that they had made them for GE for decades. That was over 20 years ago. They told me that GE made large appliances, but not any small appliances.
>> On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 22:04:06 -0500, RFI-EMI-GUY >> <Rhyol...@NETTALLY.COM> wrote:
>> >krw wrote: >> >> On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 11:09:20 +0000, Raveninghorde >> >> <raveninghorde@invalid> wrote:
>> >>> One of my chaps is off to do his PhD, which means he will know a lot >> >>> about nothing.
>> >>> He asked me the other day if reversing the 24V AC power supply to a >> >>> board had caused damage to an elctrolytic capacitor. I don't think >> >>> you have to know the circuit to answer the question.
>> >>> Talk about not understanding what he knows.
>> >> Many moons ago, when GE still made small appliances, they had a >> >> troubleshooting tip for a toaster suggesting that if it didn't work >> >> the user should try reversing the plug. Kinda cute, actually.
>> >They might have put that bit in because its less insulting than to say >> >"PLUG THE DAMN THING IN!"
>> Exactly; kinda cute. ;-)
> Except for the fact tat GE never made those appliances. They were >made by Black & Decker for GE.
That's simply not true. B&D bought GE small appliances, along with the name, some time back (late '60s, IIRC) but GE *did* make and market their own small appliances.
> On Mon, 09 Nov 2009 09:15:30 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell" > <mike.terr...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >krw wrote:
> >> On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 22:04:06 -0500, RFI-EMI-GUY > >> <Rhyol...@NETTALLY.COM> wrote:
> >> >krw wrote: > >> >> On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 11:09:20 +0000, Raveninghorde > >> >> <raveninghorde@invalid> wrote:
> >> >>> One of my chaps is off to do his PhD, which means he will know a lot > >> >>> about nothing.
> >> >>> He asked me the other day if reversing the 24V AC power supply to a > >> >>> board had caused damage to an elctrolytic capacitor. I don't think > >> >>> you have to know the circuit to answer the question.
> >> >>> Talk about not understanding what he knows.
> >> >> Many moons ago, when GE still made small appliances, they had a > >> >> troubleshooting tip for a toaster suggesting that if it didn't work > >> >> the user should try reversing the plug. Kinda cute, actually.
> >> >They might have put that bit in because its less insulting than to say > >> >"PLUG THE DAMN THING IN!"
> >> Exactly; kinda cute. ;-)
> > Except for the fact tat GE never made those appliances. They were > >made by Black & Decker for GE.
> That's simply not true. B&D bought GE small appliances, along with > the name, some time back (late '60s, IIRC) but GE *did* make and > market their own small appliances.
Then who is making small GE appliances these days? They just ran a GE small appliance ad on TV.
>> On Mon, 09 Nov 2009 09:15:30 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell" >> <mike.terr...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> >krw wrote:
>> >> On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 22:04:06 -0500, RFI-EMI-GUY >> >> <Rhyol...@NETTALLY.COM> wrote:
>> >> >krw wrote: >> >> >> On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 11:09:20 +0000, Raveninghorde >> >> >> <raveninghorde@invalid> wrote:
>> >> >>> One of my chaps is off to do his PhD, which means he will know a lot >> >> >>> about nothing.
>> >> >>> He asked me the other day if reversing the 24V AC power supply to a >> >> >>> board had caused damage to an elctrolytic capacitor. I don't think >> >> >>> you have to know the circuit to answer the question.
>> >> >>> Talk about not understanding what he knows.
>> >> >> Many moons ago, when GE still made small appliances, they had a >> >> >> troubleshooting tip for a toaster suggesting that if it didn't work >> >> >> the user should try reversing the plug. Kinda cute, actually.
>> >> >They might have put that bit in because its less insulting than to say >> >> >"PLUG THE DAMN THING IN!"
>> >> Exactly; kinda cute. ;-)
>> > Except for the fact tat GE never made those appliances. They were >> >made by Black & Decker for GE.
>> That's simply not true. B&D bought GE small appliances, along with >> the name, some time back (late '60s, IIRC) but GE *did* make and >> market their own small appliances.
> Then who is making small GE appliances these days? They just ran a >GE small appliance ad on TV.
Last I knew, B&D (see: "along with the name", above). BTW, I believe GE still make major appliances.
> In article <hcd9hm$qb...@localhost.localdomain>, > Ian Bell <ruffreco...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >Is it me or was it only 'in the old days' that people went into > >electronics (.i.e. got educated in it at college level) because they > >were already hooked on it and had built a bunch of stuff? A friend and I > >were selling crystal radios at primary school before we were eleven > >years old. By the time I was 18 and went to university I had read every > >electronics book in the city library, passed the Radio Amateurs Exam, > >and built dozens of bits of kit. Don't kids do that any more?
> Some do, but my impression is that it's much less common than in the > past.
> Years ago, the only way for kids to gain access to electronics (and > the corresponding "wow factor") was to do as you've said - jump in and > start experimenting and building stuff. My own introduction was a > crystal-radio kit given to me as a 10th-birthday present by my > grandfather. Highly addictive.
> These days, kids can stroll into a mall store, drop a week's allowance > on the counter, and buy an electronic gizmo that does far more than > anything they could build themselves (and is probably designed for a > saturation-level bells-and-whistles-and-WOW! neatness factor).
> The thrill is gone, I'm afraid. Or, rather, access to the thrill is > much more widely distributed. Individual learning and experimentation > isn't the only path to playing with high-tech goodies available to > kids any more.
> It's a shame, in a way.
> It's not just electronics, either... whole aspects of self-directed > learning and experience seem to have atrophied, perhaps for similar > reasons. A few months ago I asked a school-teacher I'd just met, how > many of her middle-school students read books independently, for > pleasure.
> Her response was to hold up thumb and forefinger, forming a "zero".
> She then amended her response, saying "Well, there may be one or two."
> -- > Dave Platt <dpl...@radagast.org> AE6EO > Friends of Jade Warrior home page: http://www.radagast.org/jade-warrior > I do _not_ wish to receive unsolicited commercial email, and I will > boycott any company which has the gall to send me such ads!
The talented ones do software rather than hardware these days.
Ever hear of companies named Microsoft and Google?
> Bill Sloman wrote: > > Jim-out-of-touch-with-reality-Thompson strikes again. I'm actually a > > useful odd-jobs man, and do carpentry, plumbing, and the odd bit of > > household wiring. I am left-handed, and do understand differential > > screws.
> You know I don't take sides :-), but I agree, multidisciplinary skills > are very usefull and are in decline as everything gets more specialised. > I think it's partly a generational thing as the immediate post ww2 > generation had to make do and mend everything. I still do all the > electrical, radio, tv, carpentry and even building work around the house > and that's besides interests in mechanical engineering and a core skill > set of software engineering coming from an electronics background. It's > surprising how usefull it can be in all sorts of ways.
> I don't think you can generalise about phd's either. I've met some who > knew nothing outside their specialist field, head in the clouds and > others who were some of the most switched on people i've ever met. Some > of the EE graduates i've worked with in the past could hardly solder two > wires together and had no interest at all in the job outside work. I > find that depressing, as to be really good at anything, you need to have > a passion for the subject and have a very inquisitive mind. The lack of > scientific curiosity and the general dumbing down of everything will be > the undoing of our civilisation. Nearly everything we come into contact > with on a daily basis depends on science or engineering in some way...
> On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 18:27:34 -0500, krw <k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote: > >On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 11:23:05 -0800, John Larkin > ><jjSNIPlar...@highTHISlandtechnology.com> wrote: > >>So skip the basics and take advanced courses.
> >Advanced courses? What advanced courses?
> Well, twenty years ago (Wow! how time flies!) when I decided to go > back to school and get my EE degree, I learned a lot of interesting > lessons.
> While I had been a hobbiest since I was a kid, my bachelors degree was > in psychology. I know that I didn't know a lot of the math and such, > so went back to get a second bachelors in EE. I moved from California > to New Mexico just to get into a program, and in my first class > learned my first lesson.
> You don't need a bachelors in EE to get a Masters in EE.
> Because of that lesson, I inquired back in California, and a year > later started at UC Santa Barbara in the Masters program.
> I started taking a lot of the basic circuits and control theory > classes, and found myself on academic probation. In the masters > program, you need to keep a 3.0 gpa, but in those basic theory > classes, they graded to a 2.0 average. These were also the 'weed' > classes, where they TRIED to get students to fail, by heaping so much > make work on them that they would be overwhelmed. My problem - I > didn't do all the homework and make it look spiffy and nice, I just > did what I needed to learn the subject. I had A's and B's on all the > tests. In my second semester, the T.A.s taught me the second lesson:
> When there is a bachelor level course, and a master's level course, > take the Master's level course.
> In the BS course, they go into excruciating detail on the basics, as > well as heaping loads of meaningless homework on the poor students. In > the Master's class, they mention the important aspects of the basics > in teh first couple of weeks, and then get right to business. The > Master's courses also tended to be more real world, with actual > applications and circuits. If you could keep up, they were a lot more > fun. they also graded to a B curve, not a C curve!
> The final lesson was, choose your professors carefully. I took > classes from many professors, but learned after almost flunking the > second class in a row from one professor, that we were not on the same > page. I had the same material from two different professors, and from > him it always sounded like greek, while I grok'd the material > instantly from the other. Sometimes, the learning chemistry is just > not there.
> >> >> >>> One of my chaps is off to do his PhD, which means he will know a lot > >> >> >>> about nothing.
> >> >> >>> He asked me the other day if reversing the 24V AC power supply to a > >> >> >>> board had caused damage to an elctrolytic capacitor. I don't think > >> >> >>> you have to know the circuit to answer the question.
> >> >> >>> Talk about not understanding what he knows.
> >> >> >> Many moons ago, when GE still made small appliances, they had a > >> >> >> troubleshooting tip for a toaster suggesting that if it didn't work > >> >> >> the user should try reversing the plug. Kinda cute, actually.
> >> >> >They might have put that bit in because its less insulting than to say > >> >> >"PLUG THE DAMN THING IN!"
> >> >> Exactly; kinda cute. ;-)
> >> > Except for the fact tat GE never made those appliances. They were > >> >made by Black & Decker for GE.
> >> That's simply not true. B&D bought GE small appliances, along with > >> the name, some time back (late '60s, IIRC) but GE *did* make and > >> market their own small appliances.
> > Then who is making small GE appliances these days? They just ran a > >GE small appliance ad on TV.
> Last I knew, B&D (see: "along with the name", above). BTW, I believe > GE still make major appliances.
I see B&D small appliances in stores, and I have a crappy GE washer & dryer in my laundry room. They were bought new and used less than two months by my dad & stepmom before being replaced with a new pair from Sears. I'm still using my 20+ year old sears washer & dryer and will, until they aren't worth repairing.
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