>JosephKK wrote: >> John Larkin wrote: >> > dagmargoodb...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> >>Businesses powerful? Businesses are lucky to make 10%. So if you try >> >>to take an extra 10%, they leave (or die). Outsourcing is just >> >>capital fleeing oppression.
>> >Both the oil companies and the health insurance companies run ballpark >> >4% profit on revenues. And most people hate them for that 4%.
>> >John
>> Only after the funky accounting. Nobody really knows how profitable >> really big business is except some of their accountants.
>Try reading a few of their financial statements. With practice it's >not that hard. But you have to do it.
>True, they can lie, but that's not hard to spot. I avoid those. I >listened to Ken Lay pitch the Enron miracle for 30 seconds and knew. >Ditto Citibank, Freddie, Fannie, etc.
>Government's more problematic. They spin, obfuscate, underreport, >hide, etc. Try reading Freddie and Fannie's reports. Or tracking >down Medicare costs.
Nice, you just contradicted yourself.
>All our social "trusts" are empty piggy banks, literally Ponzi schemes >where the 1rst in get paid off by the latecomers. For companies, >that's a felony.
Social Security NEVER was (and never can be) a retirement fund powered by (previous) investments. That popular misconception is foisted on the public by politicians. It is a TAX and an entitlement, always was. Pretty much the same with all of the social programs.
>Pelosi's recent health care bill estimates, using /her/ outlandish >assumptions, were grossly understated. Calculator abuse. I wrote >that, and now AP and others concur. Were Pelosi a CEO she'd be in >jail. Instead, she's Speaker.
Again a fundamental difference between Governments and Businesses.
>Suppose John Larkin decided to report only 2/3rds of his company's >income--what would the IRS think of that?
They would get around to him in a few years, they would like the penalties and interest on penalties and interest on penalties and interest to build up a bit first.
>Madoff was a rookie, a piker.
He did far more damage than Mil liken before him. Then again, citizens (be they natural or fictitious) can be held liable for their misdeeds, politicians and governments normally can't. Though the blurring of any distinction (often unto extinction) between the wealthy and the government has been with us for millennia.
>>On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 12:34:00 -0800, John Larkin >><jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
>>>On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 09:39:02 -0800, Joerg <inva...@invalid.invalid> >>>wrote:
>>>>John Larkin wrote: >>>>> On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 17:08:32 -0700, Joerg <inva...@invalid.invalid> >>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> John Larkin wrote: >>>>>>> On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 11:48:21 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodb...@yahoo.com >>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>> Jobs? The current health care bill penalizes employers who don't >>>>>>>> provide government-approved health care. So, when you make it a >>>>>>>> greater and greater pain to employ people, the easy, obvious, and only >>>>>>>> solution is to outsource, to export jobs, to hire fewer workers. So >>>>>>>> of course there'll be fewer jobs. I, personally, will create fewer >>>>>>>> jobs. I guarantee it. >>>>>>> I'll probably hold the line at about 20 employees and do more >>>>>>> outsourcing and contracting. ...
>>>>>> When they go through with the net receipts tax thing in CA where >>>>>> salaries are supposedly non-deductible the others will do exactly the >>>>>> same.
>>>>> There are idiots claiming that a 5% net receipts tax is no more >>>>> burdensome than a 10% tax on profits. 5 is smaller than 10, don't you >>>>> see?
>>>>Sad :-(
>>>>Just imagine what that would do to the restaurant business alone. As it >>>>is right now I am not sure that our Japanese and Thai places around here >>>>will make it. That source tax would potentially push a lot of those over >>>>the cliff.
>>>For a restaurant, it's just sales tax; they charge about 8% around >>>here already. All restaurants pay it, and people don't order meals >>>from Oregon, so it's not a competitive issue as much as it just makes >>>people dine out a little less.
>>A few percent is the difference between making it and failing in the >>restaurant biz.
>>>I suppose some people on the Nevada border cross the line to eat, or >>>order pizza from over the line.
>>That is trivial and you know it.
>>>But for companies that sell stuff, and have out-of-state competition, >>>a gross receipts tax could really hurt. It's a job killer. We pay >>>about 10% tax on a profit of 5%. A 5% gross receipts tax would be a >>>10x increase.
>>So you do kinda sorta get it.
>>>I do like the idea of taxing services as well as stuff, since more and >>>more of our economy is services, and the competition for services is >>>mostly local. Just adding the existing sales tax to services would >>>help the state deficit problem a lot.
>>You are really far left whinge aren't you? Or is it only >>jealousy/envy?
>>>John
>It makes sense to shift taxes to services that can't easily be >outsourced to other countries, and reduce taxation on manufactured >goods that can. That helps retain jobs. Do you disagree?
I can neither agree nor disagree, there was no model presented to support the assertion. Though personally i expect that it is at best a half truth.
>And why not have sales taxes on lawyers and auto repair and hair >cutting?
>John
I prefer removing exemptions and exclusions for legal practice first, auto repair and hair cutting already charge sales tax, you just did not notice.
On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 13:32:25 +0000, ChrisQ <m...@devnull.com> wrote: >John Larkin wrote:
>> It makes sense to shift taxes to services that can't easily be >> outsourced to other countries, and reduce taxation on manufactured >> goods that can. That helps retain jobs. Do you disagree?
>> And why not have sales taxes on lawyers and auto repair and hair >> cutting?
>> John
>We do in the uk and the rest of europe. It's call vat, or value added >tax and is payable on just about everything at a fixed rate of 17.5%. >Service industries and lawyers included :-). No one likes it, but it >seems to work. The more you consume, the more tax you pay. Some things >are exempt, but not many.
>My guess is that it's only a matter of time before the us does something >similar...
>regards,
>Chris
There you go, Rich the Dreaded Libertarian, "consumption tax", go over there and see how well it is working.
>>On Sun, 01 Nov 2009 20:24:05 -0800, John Larkin >><jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
>>>On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 17:08:32 -0700, Joerg <inva...@invalid.invalid> >>>wrote:
>>>>John Larkin wrote: >>>>> On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 11:48:21 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodb...@yahoo.com >>>>> wrote:
>>>>[...]
>>>>>> Jobs? The current health care bill penalizes employers who don't >>>>>> provide government-approved health care. So, when you make it a >>>>>> greater and greater pain to employ people, the easy, obvious, and only >>>>>> solution is to outsource, to export jobs, to hire fewer workers. So >>>>>> of course there'll be fewer jobs. I, personally, will create fewer >>>>>> jobs. I guarantee it.
>>>>> I'll probably hold the line at about 20 employees and do more >>>>> outsourcing and contracting. ...
>>>>When they go through with the net receipts tax thing in CA where >>>>salaries are supposedly non-deductible the others will do exactly the >>>>same.
>>>There are idiots claiming that a 5% net receipts tax is no more >>>burdensome than a 10% tax on profits. 5 is smaller than 10, don't you >>>see?
>>>John
>>I'll bet not a damn one of them has _ever_ been legitimately (ever >>actually having a profit) in business.
>Have you?
>John
I have been business a couple of times but had to fold up and go back to working for another. I had income each time, but after 1 year or so each time it was clear the income would never meet regular bills. It don't worry me none; i learned a lot. I will go for it again in due time.
"JosephKK"<quiettechb...@yahoo.com> wrote: >On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 13:05:48 -0800, John Larkin ><jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
>>On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 03:26:49 -0800, >>"JosephKK"<quiettechb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 12:34:00 -0800, John Larkin >>><jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
>>>>On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 09:39:02 -0800, Joerg <inva...@invalid.invalid> >>>>wrote:
>>>>>John Larkin wrote: >>>>>> On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 17:08:32 -0700, Joerg <inva...@invalid.invalid> >>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> John Larkin wrote: >>>>>>>> On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 11:48:21 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodb...@yahoo.com >>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>>> Jobs? The current health care bill penalizes employers who don't >>>>>>>>> provide government-approved health care. So, when you make it a >>>>>>>>> greater and greater pain to employ people, the easy, obvious, and only >>>>>>>>> solution is to outsource, to export jobs, to hire fewer workers. So >>>>>>>>> of course there'll be fewer jobs. I, personally, will create fewer >>>>>>>>> jobs. I guarantee it. >>>>>>>> I'll probably hold the line at about 20 employees and do more >>>>>>>> outsourcing and contracting. ...
>>>>>>> When they go through with the net receipts tax thing in CA where >>>>>>> salaries are supposedly non-deductible the others will do exactly the >>>>>>> same.
>>>>>> There are idiots claiming that a 5% net receipts tax is no more >>>>>> burdensome than a 10% tax on profits. 5 is smaller than 10, don't you >>>>>> see?
>>>>>Sad :-(
>>>>>Just imagine what that would do to the restaurant business alone. As it >>>>>is right now I am not sure that our Japanese and Thai places around here >>>>>will make it. That source tax would potentially push a lot of those over >>>>>the cliff.
>>>>For a restaurant, it's just sales tax; they charge about 8% around >>>>here already. All restaurants pay it, and people don't order meals >>>>from Oregon, so it's not a competitive issue as much as it just makes >>>>people dine out a little less.
>>>A few percent is the difference between making it and failing in the >>>restaurant biz.
>>>>I suppose some people on the Nevada border cross the line to eat, or >>>>order pizza from over the line.
>>>That is trivial and you know it.
>>>>But for companies that sell stuff, and have out-of-state competition, >>>>a gross receipts tax could really hurt. It's a job killer. We pay >>>>about 10% tax on a profit of 5%. A 5% gross receipts tax would be a >>>>10x increase.
>>>So you do kinda sorta get it.
>>>>I do like the idea of taxing services as well as stuff, since more and >>>>more of our economy is services, and the competition for services is >>>>mostly local. Just adding the existing sales tax to services would >>>>help the state deficit problem a lot.
>>>You are really far left whinge aren't you? Or is it only >>>jealousy/envy?
>>>>John
>>It makes sense to shift taxes to services that can't easily be >>outsourced to other countries, and reduce taxation on manufactured >>goods that can. That helps retain jobs. Do you disagree?
>I can neither agree nor disagree, there was no model presented to >support the assertion. Though personally i expect that it is at best >a half truth.
>>And why not have sales taxes on lawyers and auto repair and hair >>cutting?
>>John
>I prefer removing exemptions and exclusions for legal practice first, >auto repair and hair cutting already charge sales tax, you just did >not notice.
When I get my car fixed at the shop near work, they add sales tax on parts but none on labor. My hair cutter charges no sales tax on cuts but does on products.
>>On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 13:05:48 -0800, John Larkin >><jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
>>>On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 03:26:49 -0800, >>>"JosephKK"<quiettechb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 12:34:00 -0800, John Larkin >>>><jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
>>>>>On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 09:39:02 -0800, Joerg <inva...@invalid.invalid> >>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>John Larkin wrote: >>>>>>> On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 17:08:32 -0700, Joerg <inva...@invalid.invalid> >>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> John Larkin wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 11:48:21 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodb...@yahoo.com >>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>>>> Jobs? The current health care bill penalizes employers who don't >>>>>>>>>> provide government-approved health care. So, when you make it a >>>>>>>>>> greater and greater pain to employ people, the easy, obvious, and only >>>>>>>>>> solution is to outsource, to export jobs, to hire fewer workers. So >>>>>>>>>> of course there'll be fewer jobs. I, personally, will create fewer >>>>>>>>>> jobs. I guarantee it. >>>>>>>>> I'll probably hold the line at about 20 employees and do more >>>>>>>>> outsourcing and contracting. ...
>>>>>>>> When they go through with the net receipts tax thing in CA where >>>>>>>> salaries are supposedly non-deductible the others will do exactly the >>>>>>>> same.
>>>>>>> There are idiots claiming that a 5% net receipts tax is no more >>>>>>> burdensome than a 10% tax on profits. 5 is smaller than 10, don't you >>>>>>> see?
>>>>>>Sad :-(
>>>>>>Just imagine what that would do to the restaurant business alone. As it >>>>>>is right now I am not sure that our Japanese and Thai places around here >>>>>>will make it. That source tax would potentially push a lot of those over >>>>>>the cliff.
>>>>>For a restaurant, it's just sales tax; they charge about 8% around >>>>>here already. All restaurants pay it, and people don't order meals >>>>>from Oregon, so it's not a competitive issue as much as it just makes >>>>>people dine out a little less.
>>>>A few percent is the difference between making it and failing in the >>>>restaurant biz.
>>>>>I suppose some people on the Nevada border cross the line to eat, or >>>>>order pizza from over the line.
>>>>That is trivial and you know it.
>>>>>But for companies that sell stuff, and have out-of-state competition, >>>>>a gross receipts tax could really hurt. It's a job killer. We pay >>>>>about 10% tax on a profit of 5%. A 5% gross receipts tax would be a >>>>>10x increase.
>>>>So you do kinda sorta get it.
>>>>>I do like the idea of taxing services as well as stuff, since more and >>>>>more of our economy is services, and the competition for services is >>>>>mostly local. Just adding the existing sales tax to services would >>>>>help the state deficit problem a lot.
>>>>You are really far left whinge aren't you? Or is it only >>>>jealousy/envy?
>>>>>John
>>>It makes sense to shift taxes to services that can't easily be >>>outsourced to other countries, and reduce taxation on manufactured >>>goods that can. That helps retain jobs. Do you disagree?
>>I can neither agree nor disagree, there was no model presented to >>support the assertion. Though personally i expect that it is at best >>a half truth.
>>>And why not have sales taxes on lawyers and auto repair and hair >>>cutting?
>>>John
>>I prefer removing exemptions and exclusions for legal practice first, >>auto repair and hair cutting already charge sales tax, you just did >>not notice.
>When I get my car fixed at the shop near work, they add sales tax on >parts but none on labor. My hair cutter charges no sales tax on cuts >but does on products.
>I do notice.
>John
Governments should cut expenses, NOT raise taxes.
Furthermore I would propose that there be no taxes on income earned overseas ;-)
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Think things are bad now? Wait until Obama "takes care" of you.
> On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 22:20:16 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell" > <mike.terr...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >Jim Thompson wrote:
> >> On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 15:51:06 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell" > >> <mike.terr...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >> >Joerg wrote:
> >> >> Michael A. Terrell wrote: > >> >> > Joerg wrote: > >> >> >> Yes, thanks, some are mentioned on their site but without voltage data. > >> >> >> I've read up to 650V somewhere. I didn't know they still had them. AMS > >> >> >> offers a 120V 0.35um process as well. I like the link "Tip-a-friend" on > >> >> >> the X-Fab web site. So far I've only tipped restaurant personnel, the > >> >> >> barber, mail carrier and so on ... :-)
> >> >> > And a few cows?
> >> >> No, I would never do that. Would be wrong, those animals provide so much > >> >> to us.
> >> > How about outhouse tipping? ;-)
> >> My father told of pranks where they'd move the outhouse back from the > >> pit on a dark night ;-)
> > My dad told me when he was a kid that an old man spent the night in > >his outhouse on Halloween to keep kids from tipping it. He was still > >inside as it rolled down the hill by some older kids. it would have > >just tipped over, if he wasn't standing on the seat when they tipped it.
> > The lids would go around the next day and help set them back on their > >foundation, but he had to build a new outhouse, on top of all his > >bruises. :(
> > City folks don't know that the outhouse had to be moved from time to > >time, since they couldn't be pumped out, like Sloman.
> > I always wondered why they weren't built on runners so they could be > >towed to the new hole by their plow mules or horses?
> They were...on "skids".
Not the ones I saw. Dozens, or more when I was a kid and visiting places in rural Kentucky. Maybe they got tired of digging new holes and moving them? I saw a few with a small door on the back side, but never really paid much attention to them, since they smelled so bad.
>> On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 22:20:16 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell" >> <mike.terr...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> >Jim Thompson wrote:
>> >> On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 15:51:06 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell" >> >> <mike.terr...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> >> >Joerg wrote:
>> >> >> Michael A. Terrell wrote: >> >> >> > Joerg wrote: >> >> >> >> Yes, thanks, some are mentioned on their site but without voltage data. >> >> >> >> I've read up to 650V somewhere. I didn't know they still had them. AMS >> >> >> >> offers a 120V 0.35um process as well. I like the link "Tip-a-friend" on >> >> >> >> the X-Fab web site. So far I've only tipped restaurant personnel, the >> >> >> >> barber, mail carrier and so on ... :-)
>> >> >> > And a few cows?
>> >> >> No, I would never do that. Would be wrong, those animals provide so much >> >> >> to us.
>> >> > How about outhouse tipping? ;-)
>> >> My father told of pranks where they'd move the outhouse back from the >> >> pit on a dark night ;-)
>> > My dad told me when he was a kid that an old man spent the night in >> >his outhouse on Halloween to keep kids from tipping it. He was still >> >inside as it rolled down the hill by some older kids. it would have >> >just tipped over, if he wasn't standing on the seat when they tipped it.
>> > The lids would go around the next day and help set them back on their >> >foundation, but he had to build a new outhouse, on top of all his >> >bruises. :(
>> > City folks don't know that the outhouse had to be moved from time to >> >time, since they couldn't be pumped out, like Sloman.
>> > I always wondered why they weren't built on runners so they could be >> >towed to the new hole by their plow mules or horses?
>> They were...on "skids".
> Not the ones I saw. Dozens, or more when I was a kid and visiting >places in rural Kentucky. Maybe they got tired of digging new holes and >moving them? I saw a few with a small door on the back side, but never >really paid much attention to them, since they smelled so bad.
A properly ventilated outhouse, with a scoop and a bucket of lye, tossed in after you crap, does not smell (badly ;-).
And your ass DOES adapt to use of pages from the last year's Sears-Roebuck catalog ;-)
In the early '50's, with the introduction of AC power into the remote parts of Pendleton County, my father and his brothers installed electric powered pumps on my grandparents' well, added a true shower and toilet into the basement, with pumps to remove waste water and sewage up to a septic tank and dry well field.
The youngest brother is still alive... 86 years old... in Frederick, MD.
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> On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 15:03:44 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell" > <mike.terr...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >Jim Thompson wrote:
> >> On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 22:20:16 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell" > >> <mike.terr...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >> >Jim Thompson wrote:
> >> >> On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 15:51:06 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell" > >> >> <mike.terr...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >> >> >Joerg wrote:
> >> >> >> Michael A. Terrell wrote: > >> >> >> > Joerg wrote: > >> >> >> >> Yes, thanks, some are mentioned on their site but without voltage data. > >> >> >> >> I've read up to 650V somewhere. I didn't know they still had them. AMS > >> >> >> >> offers a 120V 0.35um process as well. I like the link "Tip-a-friend" on > >> >> >> >> the X-Fab web site. So far I've only tipped restaurant personnel, the > >> >> >> >> barber, mail carrier and so on ... :-)
> >> >> >> > And a few cows?
> >> >> >> No, I would never do that. Would be wrong, those animals provide so much > >> >> >> to us.
> >> >> > How about outhouse tipping? ;-)
> >> >> My father told of pranks where they'd move the outhouse back from the > >> >> pit on a dark night ;-)
> >> > My dad told me when he was a kid that an old man spent the night in > >> >his outhouse on Halloween to keep kids from tipping it. He was still > >> >inside as it rolled down the hill by some older kids. it would have > >> >just tipped over, if he wasn't standing on the seat when they tipped it.
> >> > The lids would go around the next day and help set them back on their > >> >foundation, but he had to build a new outhouse, on top of all his > >> >bruises. :(
> >> > City folks don't know that the outhouse had to be moved from time to > >> >time, since they couldn't be pumped out, like Sloman.
> >> > I always wondered why they weren't built on runners so they could be > >> >towed to the new hole by their plow mules or horses?
> >> They were...on "skids".
> > Not the ones I saw. Dozens, or more when I was a kid and visiting > >places in rural Kentucky. Maybe they got tired of digging new holes and > >moving them? I saw a few with a small door on the back side, but never > >really paid much attention to them, since they smelled so bad.
> A properly ventilated outhouse, with a scoop and a bucket of lye, > tossed in after you crap, does not smell (badly ;-).
It does, till the lime works.
> And your ass DOES adapt to use of pages from the last year's > Sears-Roebuck catalog ;-)
Ask little Jimmy Dickens. He doesn't like the slick pages.
> In the early '50's, with the introduction of AC power into the remote > parts of Pendleton County, my father and his brothers installed > electric powered pumps on my grandparents' well, added a true shower > and toilet into the basement, with pumps to remove waste water and > sewage up to a septic tank and dry well field.
My grandparents had electricity, but still used a bucket for the well, and an outhouse. They had lights in the house, a radio, and later a B&W TV we took them. Another relative bought them a Maytag wringer washer, but she refused to let them deliver a dryer. Her personal garden was five acres, they had a small tobbaco base, and raised sugar cane to make Sorgum. (Mennifee County) they raised some hogs and cattle for their income and to feed themselves and others. My grandmother wouldn't hear of anyone going hungry. :)
> The youngest brother is still alive... 86 years old... in Frederick, > MD.
My dad is the youngest in his family, and close to that age. :)
There are only a few of his siblings left, though. :(
>> On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 15:03:44 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell" >> <mike.terr...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> >Jim Thompson wrote: [snip]
>> >> They were...on "skids".
>> > Not the ones I saw. Dozens, or more when I was a kid and visiting >> >places in rural Kentucky. Maybe they got tired of digging new holes and >> >moving them? I saw a few with a small door on the back side, but never >> >really paid much attention to them, since they smelled so bad.
>> A properly ventilated outhouse, with a scoop and a bucket of lye, >> tossed in after you crap, does not smell (badly ;-).
> It does, till the lime works.
Correct! I incorrectly remembered "lye" instead of "lime".
My remembrance of the outhouse... it had outside _inlet_ vents below the "seating area"... a three holer ;-)... and a stack way above, so the smell was well-controlled.
>> And your ass DOES adapt to use of pages from the last year's >> Sears-Roebuck catalog ;-)
> Ask little Jimmy Dickens. He doesn't like the slick pages.
>> In the early '50's, with the introduction of AC power into the remote >> parts of Pendleton County, my father and his brothers installed >> electric powered pumps on my grandparents' well, added a true shower >> and toilet into the basement, with pumps to remove waste water and >> sewage up to a septic tank and dry well field.
> My grandparents had electricity, but still used a bucket for the well, >and an outhouse. They had lights in the house, a radio, and later a B&W >TV we took them. Another relative bought them a Maytag wringer washer, >but she refused to let them deliver a dryer. Her personal garden was >five acres, they had a small tobbaco base, and raised sugar cane to make >Sorgum. (Mennifee County) they raised some hogs and cattle for their >income and to feed themselves and others. My grandmother wouldn't hear >of anyone going hungry. :)
>> The youngest brother is still alive... 86 years old... in Frederick, >> MD.
> My dad is the youngest in his family, and close to that age. :)
> There are only a few of his siblings left, though. :(
What get scary is situations like last week... 4 members of my high school graduating class departed :-(
And we're only in the 69-70 age bracket :-(
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> On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 17:20:45 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell" > <mike.terr...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >Jim Thompson wrote:
> >> On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 15:03:44 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell" > >> <mike.terr...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >> >Jim Thompson wrote: > [snip]
> >> >> They were...on "skids".
> >> > Not the ones I saw. Dozens, or more when I was a kid and visiting > >> >places in rural Kentucky. Maybe they got tired of digging new holes and > >> >moving them? I saw a few with a small door on the back side, but never > >> >really paid much attention to them, since they smelled so bad.
> >> A properly ventilated outhouse, with a scoop and a bucket of lye, > >> tossed in after you crap, does not smell (badly ;-).
> > It does, till the lime works.
> Correct! I incorrectly remembered "lye" instead of "lime".
> My remembrance of the outhouse... it had outside _inlet_ vents below > the "seating area"... a three holer ;-)... and a stack way above, so > the smell was well-controlled.
> You may ask, "Three-holer?" .... try 12 kids ;-)
Or a boy scout camp with several eight holers. All painted the same 'Outhouse brown' that looked like it came from inside the outhouse.
> >> And your ass DOES adapt to use of pages from the last year's > >> Sears-Roebuck catalog ;-)
> > Ask little Jimmy Dickens. He doesn't like the slick pages.
> >> In the early '50's, with the introduction of AC power into the remote > >> parts of Pendleton County, my father and his brothers installed > >> electric powered pumps on my grandparents' well, added a true shower > >> and toilet into the basement, with pumps to remove waste water and > >> sewage up to a septic tank and dry well field.
> > My grandparents had electricity, but still used a bucket for the well, > >and an outhouse. They had lights in the house, a radio, and later a B&W > >TV we took them. Another relative bought them a Maytag wringer washer, > >but she refused to let them deliver a dryer. Her personal garden was > >five acres, they had a small tobbaco base, and raised sugar cane to make > >Sorgum. (Mennifee County) they raised some hogs and cattle for their > >income and to feed themselves and others. My grandmother wouldn't hear > >of anyone going hungry. :)
> >> The youngest brother is still alive... 86 years old... in Frederick, > >> MD.
> > My dad is the youngest in his family, and close to that age. :)
> > There are only a few of his siblings left, though. :(
> What get scary is situations like last week... 4 members of my high > school graduating class departed :-(
> And we're only in the 69-70 age bracket :-(
I'm losing members of my graduating class, and people I worked with who are my age, too. You have about 12 years on me.
Jim Thompson wrote: > On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 17:20:45 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell" > <mike.terr...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>Jim Thompson wrote:
>>> On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 15:03:44 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell" >>> <mike.terr...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> >Jim Thompson wrote: > [snip]
>>> >> They were...on "skids".
>>> > Not the ones I saw. Dozens, or more when I was a kid and >>> > visiting >>> >places in rural Kentucky. Maybe they got tired of digging new >>> >holes and >>> >moving them? I saw a few with a small door on the back side, but >>> >never really paid much attention to them, since they smelled so >>> >bad.
>>> A properly ventilated outhouse, with a scoop and a bucket of lye, >>> tossed in after you crap, does not smell (badly ;-).
>> It does, till the lime works.
> Correct! I incorrectly remembered "lye" instead of "lime".
> My remembrance of the outhouse... it had outside _inlet_ vents below > the "seating area"... a three holer ;-)... and a stack way above, so > the smell was well-controlled.
> You may ask, "Three-holer?" .... try 12 kids ;-) > ...Jim Thompson
There was an 8 holer in two rows of four shown on UK TV a couple of weeks ago. -- Best Regards: Baron.
"JosephKK"<quiettechb...@yahoo.com> wrote: >On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 06:50:14 -0800, John Larkin ><jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
>>On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 05:32:35 -0800, >>"JosephKK"<quiettechb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 19:48:55 -0800, John Larkin >>><jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
>>>>On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 21:40:32 -0600, krw <k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
>>>>>On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 16:10:25 -0800, John Larkin >>>>><jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
>>>>>>On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 18:02:38 -0800, Joerg <inva...@invalid.invalid> >>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>John Larkin wrote: >>>>>>>> On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 22:22:31 +0000, ChrisQ <m...@devnull.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Jim Thompson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Shooting politicians and bureaucrats would be more effective ;-)
>>>>>>>>> My sentiment as well, but someone has to run run the country and try to >>>>>>>>> balance the budgets. It would help the west if we all stopped exporting >>>>>>>>> jobs to China, but you can blame global multinationals for that, who >>>>>>>>> have no interest other than shareholder value.
>>>>>>>> No business is run as a charity. All businesses do what they have to >>>>>>>> do to compete and survive. And shareholders hire boards and executives >>>>>>>> exactly to maximize the value of their stocks; wouldn't you? So, given >>>>>>>> all that, tax policy should be structured to do the most good, which >>>>>>>> includes creating jobs so that people have earnings so that they can >>>>>>>> pay taxes.
>>>>>>>Also, with all the common dissing of shareholder value one must not >>>>>>>forget one thing: Who started the company and who sunk money into it? >>>>>>>Right, shareholders. They take risks and, rightfully, they want to be >>>>>>>rewarded for taking those risks. At least in America.
>>>>>>That's true for IPOs. But after that, the stocks usually become poker >>>>>>chips in a big gambling operation that's disconnected from the >>>>>>company's real performance. Nobody much buys stocks for dividends any >>>>>>more.
>>>>>THe do expect the company to grow. Profits turned back into growth or >>>>>turned back to the shareholder, either way the shareholder's worth >>>>>increases.
>>>>Most stockholders don't get value from the company's profits. They get >>>>it from selling their stock to others. The value of the stock is >>>>largely perceptive, sometimes driven only by the positive feedback of >>>>its own increase or decrease in the market. When you buy a share of >>>>stock on the market, the company gets no investment from that >>>>purchase, except for IPOs and new issues. The dot.com boom had lots of >>>>cases of stocks increasing wildly in value as the underlying companies >>>>had massive losses on absurd business models.
>>>>The stock market is mostly a gambling pool, with a house cut.
>>>House cut? How is it extracted and who gets it and how? Inquiring >>>minds want to know.
>>>>John
>>Brokerage and asset management fees.
>Brokerage fees are mostly gone now, and on average the various asset >manage management fees are way excessive (largely hangovers from the >early 1900s when it took considerable resources).
>>And the more subtle extraction of >>value from the system by can't-lose automated trading, inside deals, >>VC parasitism, and management cut-outs.
>All of these occur, however not all VC are parasites, though an >unmanageable high proportion are.
>>In Las Vegas at least you get >>free drinks.
>>Whining minds are answered.
>Since when is asking a question whining?
You forgot to add "Inquiring minds want to know", so you have to go back 3 steps and start over.
>>Brokerage fees are mostly gone now, and on average the various asset >>manage management fees are way excessive (largely hangovers from the >>early 1900s when it took considerable resources).
>>>And the more subtle extraction of >>>value from the system by can't-lose automated trading, inside deals, >>>VC parasitism, and management cut-outs.
>>All of these occur, however not all VC are parasites, though an >>unmanageable high proportion are.
>>>In Las Vegas at least you get >>>free drinks.
>>>Whining minds are answered.
>>Since when is asking a question whining?
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>You forgot to add "Inquiring minds want to know", so you have to go >back 3 steps and start over.
>John
And you still owe answers to three questions. Enumerated above. Or are going to try to pull another fast one?
<To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote: >On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 10:15:08 -0800, John Larkin ><jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
>>On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 09:24:44 -0800, >>"JosephKK"<quiettechb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 13:05:48 -0800, John Larkin >>><jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
>>>>On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 03:26:49 -0800, >>>>"JosephKK"<quiettechb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 12:34:00 -0800, John Larkin >>>>><jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
>>>>>>On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 09:39:02 -0800, Joerg <inva...@invalid.invalid> >>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>John Larkin wrote: >>>>>>>> On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 17:08:32 -0700, Joerg <inva...@invalid.invalid> >>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> John Larkin wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 11:48:21 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodb...@yahoo.com >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>>>>> Jobs? The current health care bill penalizes employers who don't >>>>>>>>>>> provide government-approved health care. So, when you make it a >>>>>>>>>>> greater and greater pain to employ people, the easy, obvious, and only >>>>>>>>>>> solution is to outsource, to export jobs, to hire fewer workers. So >>>>>>>>>>> of course there'll be fewer jobs. I, personally, will create fewer >>>>>>>>>>> jobs. I guarantee it. >>>>>>>>>> I'll probably hold the line at about 20 employees and do more >>>>>>>>>> outsourcing and contracting. ...
>>>>>>>>> When they go through with the net receipts tax thing in CA where >>>>>>>>> salaries are supposedly non-deductible the others will do exactly the >>>>>>>>> same.
>>>>>>>> There are idiots claiming that a 5% net receipts tax is no more >>>>>>>> burdensome than a 10% tax on profits. 5 is smaller than 10, don't you >>>>>>>> see?
>>>>>>>Sad :-(
>>>>>>>Just imagine what that would do to the restaurant business alone. As it >>>>>>>is right now I am not sure that our Japanese and Thai places around here >>>>>>>will make it. That source tax would potentially push a lot of those over >>>>>>>the cliff.
>>>>>>For a restaurant, it's just sales tax; they charge about 8% around >>>>>>here already. All restaurants pay it, and people don't order meals >>>>>>from Oregon, so it's not a competitive issue as much as it just makes >>>>>>people dine out a little less.
>>>>>A few percent is the difference between making it and failing in the >>>>>restaurant biz.
>>>>>>I suppose some people on the Nevada border cross the line to eat, or >>>>>>order pizza from over the line.
>>>>>That is trivial and you know it.
>>>>>>But for companies that sell stuff, and have out-of-state competition, >>>>>>a gross receipts tax could really hurt. It's a job killer. We pay >>>>>>about 10% tax on a profit of 5%. A 5% gross receipts tax would be a >>>>>>10x increase.
>>>>>So you do kinda sorta get it.
>>>>>>I do like the idea of taxing services as well as stuff, since more and >>>>>>more of our economy is services, and the competition for services is >>>>>>mostly local. Just adding the existing sales tax to services would >>>>>>help the state deficit problem a lot.
>>>>>You are really far left whinge aren't you? Or is it only >>>>>jealousy/envy?
>>>>>>John
>>>>It makes sense to shift taxes to services that can't easily be >>>>outsourced to other countries, and reduce taxation on manufactured >>>>goods that can. That helps retain jobs. Do you disagree?
>>>I can neither agree nor disagree, there was no model presented to >>>support the assertion. Though personally i expect that it is at best >>>a half truth.
>>>>And why not have sales taxes on lawyers and auto repair and hair >>>>cutting?
>>>>John
>>>I prefer removing exemptions and exclusions for legal practice first, >>>auto repair and hair cutting already charge sales tax, you just did >>>not notice.
>>When I get my car fixed at the shop near work, they add sales tax on >>parts but none on labor. My hair cutter charges no sales tax on cuts >>but does on products.
>>I do notice.
>>John
>Governments should cut expenses, NOT raise taxes.
>Furthermore I would propose that there be no taxes on income earned >overseas ;-)
> ...Jim Thompson
Aw, now that you have some you want an exemption? And where were you physically, during that time?
"JosephKK"<quiettechb...@yahoo.com> wrote: >On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 11:36:10 -0700, Jim Thompson ><To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
>>On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 10:15:08 -0800, John Larkin >><jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
>>>On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 09:24:44 -0800, >>>"JosephKK"<quiettechb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 13:05:48 -0800, John Larkin >>>><jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
>>>>>On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 03:26:49 -0800, >>>>>"JosephKK"<quiettechb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 12:34:00 -0800, John Larkin >>>>>><jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 09:39:02 -0800, Joerg <inva...@invalid.invalid> >>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>John Larkin wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 17:08:32 -0700, Joerg <inva...@invalid.invalid> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> John Larkin wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 11:48:21 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodb...@yahoo.com >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jobs? The current health care bill penalizes employers who don't >>>>>>>>>>>> provide government-approved health care. So, when you make it a >>>>>>>>>>>> greater and greater pain to employ people, the easy, obvious, and only >>>>>>>>>>>> solution is to outsource, to export jobs, to hire fewer workers. So >>>>>>>>>>>> of course there'll be fewer jobs. I, personally, will create fewer >>>>>>>>>>>> jobs. I guarantee it. >>>>>>>>>>> I'll probably hold the line at about 20 employees and do more >>>>>>>>>>> outsourcing and contracting. ...
>>>>>>>>>> When they go through with the net receipts tax thing in CA where >>>>>>>>>> salaries are supposedly non-deductible the others will do exactly the >>>>>>>>>> same.
>>>>>>>>> There are idiots claiming that a 5% net receipts tax is no more >>>>>>>>> burdensome than a 10% tax on profits. 5 is smaller than 10, don't you >>>>>>>>> see?
>>>>>>>>Sad :-(
>>>>>>>>Just imagine what that would do to the restaurant business alone. As it >>>>>>>>is right now I am not sure that our Japanese and Thai places around here >>>>>>>>will make it. That source tax would potentially push a lot of those over >>>>>>>>the cliff.
>>>>>>>For a restaurant, it's just sales tax; they charge about 8% around >>>>>>>here already. All restaurants pay it, and people don't order meals >>>>>>>from Oregon, so it's not a competitive issue as much as it just makes >>>>>>>people dine out a little less.
>>>>>>A few percent is the difference between making it and failing in the >>>>>>restaurant biz.
>>>>>>>I suppose some people on the Nevada border cross the line to eat, or >>>>>>>order pizza from over the line.
>>>>>>That is trivial and you know it.
>>>>>>>But for companies that sell stuff, and have out-of-state competition, >>>>>>>a gross receipts tax could really hurt. It's a job killer. We pay >>>>>>>about 10% tax on a profit of 5%. A 5% gross receipts tax would be a >>>>>>>10x increase.
>>>>>>So you do kinda sorta get it.
>>>>>>>I do like the idea of taxing services as well as stuff, since more and >>>>>>>more of our economy is services, and the competition for services is >>>>>>>mostly local. Just adding the existing sales tax to services would >>>>>>>help the state deficit problem a lot.
>>>>>>You are really far left whinge aren't you? Or is it only >>>>>>jealousy/envy?
>>>>>>>John
>>>>>It makes sense to shift taxes to services that can't easily be >>>>>outsourced to other countries, and reduce taxation on manufactured >>>>>goods that can. That helps retain jobs. Do you disagree?
>>>>I can neither agree nor disagree, there was no model presented to >>>>support the assertion. Though personally i expect that it is at best >>>>a half truth.
>>>>>And why not have sales taxes on lawyers and auto repair and hair >>>>>cutting?
>>>>>John
>>>>I prefer removing exemptions and exclusions for legal practice first, >>>>auto repair and hair cutting already charge sales tax, you just did >>>>not notice.
>>>When I get my car fixed at the shop near work, they add sales tax on >>>parts but none on labor. My hair cutter charges no sales tax on cuts >>>but does on products.
>>>I do notice.
>>>John
>>Governments should cut expenses, NOT raise taxes.
>>Furthermore I would propose that there be no taxes on income earned >>overseas ;-)
>> ...Jim Thompson
>Aw, now that you have some you want an exemption? And where were you >physically, during that time?
I was there in Skype spirit ;-)
...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, CTO | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |
Praising the Cuban health system: "Castro & Guevara who kicked out the wealthy. You can think whatever you want to about Fidel Castro but he was one of the brightest leaders I have ever met." - California (where else?) DEMOCRAT Rep. Diane Watson
"JosephKK"<quiettechb...@yahoo.com> wrote: >On Mon, 09 Nov 2009 09:37:16 -0800, John Larkin ><jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
>>On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 08:44:42 -0800, >>"JosephKK"<quiettechb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 06:50:14 -0800, John Larkin >>><jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
>>>>On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 05:32:35 -0800, >>>>"JosephKK"<quiettechb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 19:48:55 -0800, John Larkin >>>>><jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
><snip>
>>>>>House cut? How is it extracted and who gets it and how? Inquiring >>>>>minds want to know. >1 and 2.
>>>>>>John
>>>>Brokerage and asset management fees.
>>>Brokerage fees are mostly gone now, and on average the various asset >>>manage management fees are way excessive (largely hangovers from the >>>early 1900s when it took considerable resources).
>>>>And the more subtle extraction of >>>>value from the system by can't-lose automated trading, inside deals, >>>>VC parasitism, and management cut-outs.
>>>All of these occur, however not all VC are parasites, though an >>>unmanageable high proportion are.
>>>>In Las Vegas at least you get >>>>free drinks.
>>>>Whining minds are answered.
>>>Since when is asking a question whining?
>3
>>You forgot to add "Inquiring minds want to know", so you have to go >>back 3 steps and start over.
>>John
>And you still owe answers to three questions. Enumerated above. Or >are going to try to pull another fast one?
<excretatau...@invalid.invalid> wrote: >On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 13:24:27 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:
>> And your ass DOES adapt to use of pages from the last year's Sears-Roebuck >> catalog ;-)
>What's wrong with corn cobs?
Them's for reaming leftist weenies ;-)
...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, CTO | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |
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