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Re: P&S junk. Adding a teleconverter just makes it worse

d...@trollkillers.org (DSLR-Troll Killer) — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 11:51:28 UT

On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 23:15:21 -0800, C J Campbell
Shots, plural? Nope, you only get to see that one. One of the few I'm
willing to share with online trolls. It's not even a good one. I never
share good things with trolls. Just the barest minimum needed to prove them
to be the fools and trolls that they are.

Re: Suggestions for digital camera which has 1920x1080 video

ozcvgt...@sneakemail.com (Wolfgang Weisselberg) — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 10:48:03 UT

Actually, you can fit 4,38 GiB (4.7 GB in marketing speech or
'hard disk size') on a single side, single layer, 12 cm DVD,
7,92 GiB (8,5 GB) on a single side, dual layer DVD and 15,84 GiB
(17 GB) on a double side, dual layer DVD ...
So, nope, the limit is not based on FAT.
-Wolfgang

Re: A future technology for dSLRs?

r...@nospam.demon.co.uk (Kennedy McEwen) — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 10:46:46 UT

In article <4b0ad327$0$1660$742ec...@news .sonic.net>, Ray Fischer
<rfisc...@sonic.net> writes
IS has adequate accuracy to hold the image stationary on the sensor for
fractions of a pixel under motion that would otherwise smear over
several pixels - and it is doing that dynamically. It ought to be

Re: A future technology for dSLRs?

r...@nospam.demon.co.uk (Kennedy McEwen) — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 10:47:12 UT

In article <211120091731447017%nos...@nos pam.invalid>, nospam
<nos...@nospam.invalid> writes
That myth is pretty much debunked in the Hassy data sheet itself - there
is more detail visible in the second image. I can see it, you can see
it.
How come we can do that if the "eye can't see the added colour

Re: A future technology for dSLRs?

r...@nospam.demon.co.uk (Kennedy McEwen) — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 10:37:19 UT

In article <211120091703587063%nos...@nos pam.invalid>, nospam
<nos...@nospam.invalid> writes
What makes you think that the Bayer CFA doesn't have a lot of overlap
too?
It gets worse still: both Canon and Nikon have trumpeted their use of
"lower density CFAs" in recent years to get higher ISO results. A lower

Re: Suggestions for digital camera which has 1920x1080 video

Thu, 26 Nov 2009 10:10:15 UT

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No, the CD and DVD format is a separate one, CDFS and UDF respectively:
[link]
[link]
Cheers,
David

Re: Fall Back, U.S.A!

Thu, 26 Nov 2009 10:10:15 UT

news:6fm0u6-nnv.ln1@ID-52418.user.berlin.de...
NTP for Windows => [link]
Cheers,
David

Re: A future technology for dSLRs?

bugb...@trim_papermule.co.uk_trim (bugbear) — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 09:02:45 UT

Sorry - I wasn't explicit. I wasn't (as you say "couldn't") trying
to do what Sinar do, but I could automate the capture process
for photoacute.
BugBear

Re: Dpreview post many have waited for

rfisc...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 07:43:16 UT

So you're a troll.
That you agree with them doesn't make them good. In fact, history
would indicate the exact opposite.

Re: P&S junk. Adding a teleconverter just makes it worse

christophercampbellremovet...@hotmail.com (C J Campbell) — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 07:15:21 UT

Let's see your panther shots. Put up or shut up.

Re: So long, folks

savagedu...@{removespam}me.com (Savageduck) — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 07:10:42 UT

Why, Tha'ths dithpicable!

Re: Dpreview post many have waited for

docnews2...@gmail.com (Bruce) — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 06:49:38 UT

On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 22:01:29 -0800 (PST), RichA <rander3...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Yes, it is almost as bad as an irrational hatred of "plastic".

Re: Dpreview post many have waited for

rup...@nospam.co.uk (Oliver) — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 06:13:25 UT

On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 22:01:29 -0800 (PST), RichA <rander3...@gmail.com>
wrote this:
I see! Did you post it as has already been suggested?
Too emotionally involved with their equiptment! Are they made of plastic?
Oli.

Re: Dpreview post many have waited for

rander3...@gmail.com (RichA) — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 06:01:29 UT

The idea was to broad-brush certain members of forums without naming
them all and starting 100 brush fires in the process. Fact is, the
guy makes good points and it all boils down to one cause: That too
many hotheads are TOO emotionally involved with their particular
equipment. They need to be reminded that a camera is a tool or a toy

Re: Photos of Aratingas

nervous.n...@gmail.com (Nervous Nick) — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 03:33:10 UT

I want to know where I can buy these birds so I can dress and stuff
them, and cook them for the coming holidays. Eaten raw, the feathers
tend to stick in one's throat.

Re: Best "Live View" cameras

c...@holyrood.ed.ac.uk (Chris Malcolm) — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 02:56:12 UT

Except for those models where you can switch between the sensors of
course.

Re: P&S junk. Adding a teleconverter just makes it worse

d...@trollkillers.org (DSLR-Troll Killer) — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 02:29:47 UT

Actually, I have. One of my cameras can shoot images by IR light alone in
the total dark. I have 2 IR floods that allow me to take perfectly exposed
images (and videos) in total darkness up to 120 ft. away without disturbing
nor alerting any wildlife to my presence, undisturbed by neither light nor
sounds from my P&S camera. Got some fine shots and video of the endangered

Re: Photos of Aratingas

w...@address.info (NameHere) — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 01:45:23 UT

On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 17:35:15 -0500, "mmyvusenet"
More injured, abused, or sick tropical birds in cages. This just gets
sadder and sadder.
HUAW PERU (Humanitarian Association for Animal Welfare)
Website: [link]
Office: (511) 446-6179
Location: República de Panamá 6584 - Barranco
Lima, Peru

Re: Dpreview post many have waited for

b...@1776.com (Robert Coe) — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 01:05:53 UT

By what convoluted logic does that puerile rant qualify as an "attack"? It
lacks any substantive examples of the incompetence and fraud it seems to
allege. At best it's a diatribe; at worst it's gibberish.
Bob

Re: Suggestions for digital camera which has 1920x1080 video

spamme...@noaddress.net (Charles G) — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 00:47:43 UT

Seems there's quite a few in the Panasonic Lumix line that also do 1080p.
From their new interchangeable micro-4/3 format to the waterproof compacts.

Re: Suggestions for digital camera which has 1920x1080 video

fm...@aol.com (Fred McKenzie) — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 23:50:52 UT

In article <867htf4yef....@blue.stoneheng e.com>,
Randal-
I understood the rationale for a 4GB limit, was that was how much would
fit on a DVD. I wonder if the DVD limit was based on the FAT Filesystem?
Fred

Re: Dpreview post many have waited for

rander3...@gmail.com (RichA) — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 23:48:20 UT

Hardly. I just applaud the guy for attacking the thin-skinned, fanboy
children in those forums.

Re: Digital landscape camera

m.par...@tesco.net (MP) — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 23:29:49 UT

Thank all for the suggestions up to now have taken note and will be looking
at them in more detail, I at least have a start point now while realising
there is probably many more that would be within my description.
MP

Re: Fall Back, U.S.A!

ozcvgt...@sneakemail.com (Wolfgang Weisselberg) — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 22:08:06 UT

That's why NTP exists and software using it can generate and
apply adjustment terms to internal computer clocks. It's even
possible to measure and counteract the drift of the hardware
realtime clocks on computer mainboards.
-Wolfgang

Re: Suggestions for digital camera which has 1920x1080 video

jegan...@comcast.net (James Egan) — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 22:40:39 UT

Thanks, that's definitely a contender.

Photos of Aratingas

mmyvuse...@invalid.invalid (mmyvusenet) — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 22:35:15 UT

Hello:
Today I did these photos these old Aratingas:
[link]
[link]
[link]
Thanks for your technical comments about photography.

Re: P&S junk. Adding a teleconverter just makes it worse

all...@austin.rr.com (Allen) — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 22:24:37 UT

I think you would have to reword that to "you have a camera attached to
your 628mm diamter lens?"
Allen

Re: Circles on digital images

ozcvgt...@sneakemail.com (Wolfgang Weisselberg) — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 22:03:10 UT

The slime would have to *buy* a camera to take off a lens cap.
It's far easier to *steal* DSLR shots from flickr and 'show'
them using tiny sizes and anonymous and soon (if not always)
invalid URLs instead of ones like
and claim they're the slime's handheld, shot in complete darkness,
etc. etc. etc. P&S shots. Which explains the "hundreds of

Re: Circles on digital images

ozcvgt...@sneakemail.com (Wolfgang Weisselberg) — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 21:58:02 UT

Old (used bought) 550ex flash with a ... uhm, somewhat darkened
flash window. Released slight, but clearly visible smoke curls
from said slightly opaque plastic whenever fired at full power.
Looked like smoke from a burning cigarette.
And that's a comparatively huge window ...
-Wolfgang

Re: P&S junk. Adding a teleconverter just makes it worse

sligonospam...@hotmail.com — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 18:48:31 UT

Not true, he only makes generalizations from everything that
does not fit his preconcived opinioins.

Re: P&S junk. Adding a teleconverter just makes it worse

rfisc...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 18:07:31 UT

You're trying to educate someone who is only interested in being an
asshole troll.
FYI.

Re: P&S junk. Adding a teleconverter just makes it worse

rfisc...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 18:06:50 UT

Someone like you.

Re: P&S junk. Adding a teleconverter just makes it worse

bh...@siol.com (Bhogi) — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 18:06:14 UT

This is how troll killer kills its prey.
...head on the wall, next!

Re: P&S junk. Adding a teleconverter just makes it worse

d...@trollkillers.org (DSLR-Troll Killer) — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 17:35:45 UT

LOL!!!!!!!!!! You wasted all that time to try to convince your
pretend-photographer's troll self that your chosen ideal of a camera MUST
be better. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh, too fuckin' funny. Good thing I don't have to pay for this
entertainment.
ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!

Re: Digital landscape camera

fr...@fshe2fs.com (Frank ess) — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 17:34:09 UT

I've had the Panasonic Lumix LX1 for about three years. Before that I
bought a newP&S every few months, trying to get one that was good
enough to keep. I suspect the later models are at least as good.
Landscapish photo from last month in West Texas:
[link]

Re: P&S junk. Adding a teleconverter just makes it worse

bh...@siol.com (Bhogi) — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 17:15:14 UT

No, that's relevant to all things that matter in photography:
- DOF
- light sensitivity
- softening due to diffraction
Can't have it only the way you decide, you should take all things into
account.
Here is "DSLR-Troll Killer"'s reasoning for anyone with half a brain
in need of a good laugh, even P&S owners (which are quite nice

Re: P&S junk. Adding a teleconverter just makes it worse

d...@trollkillers.org (DSLR-Troll Killer) — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 16:45:40 UT

That's only relevant to DOF.
Holy fuck are you DSLR-Trolls ever fucking idiots.

Re: P&S junk. Adding a teleconverter just makes it worse

d...@trollkillers.org (DSLR-Troll Killer) — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 16:44:36 UT

That's only relevant to DOF.
Holy fuck are you DSLR trolls ever fucking iditos.

Re: P&S junk. Adding a teleconverter just makes it worse

bh...@siol.com (Bhogi) — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 16:37:34 UT

Don't worry you're still wrong.
Comparing effective focal lengths but ignoring sensor pixel sizes is
your mistake.
What does focal ratio mean to you anyway?
With respect to things that matter in photography (light sensitivity,
DOF, softening due to diffraction) when you compare EFLs of P&S to
DSLR you should also calculate "effective aperture ratio", which in

Re: "The Adobe Photoshop CS4 Book for Digital Photographers" by Scott Kelby or Bob "on this" Larter calls somebody a torll..pot/kettle?

pers...@gmail.com (%) — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 16:24:01 UT

"Usenet Legends bobandcarole ?" <usenetlegends00...@gmail.com> wrote in
message
x-no-archive:
YOU calling somebody a torll??? YOU ... the inept former FNVW of
AUK who couldn't keep the vote tallies in order or even have a
regular
ko0k awards ballot? Maybe ya spent too much time sucking scott's dick

eat more meat

michaelnewp...@yahoo.com (Val Hallah) — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 15:43:20 UT

[link]

Re: "The Adobe Photoshop CS4 Book for Digital Photographers" by Scott Kelby or Bob "on this" Larter calls somebody a torll..pot/kettle?

usenetlegends00...@gmail.com (Usenet Legends bobandcarole ♫) — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 15:28:01 UT

x-no-archive:
YOU calling somebody a torll??? YOU ... the inept former FNVW of
AUK who couldn't keep the vote tallies in order or even have a
regular
ko0k awards ballot? Maybe ya spent too much time sucking scott's dick
and trying to get me an award? :-) I do need a bigger tagline ...
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Re: Photos of Pterois volitans

blill...@someaddress.com (Bob Larter is Lionel Lauer - Look it up.) — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 15:15:51 UT

On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 02:12:35 +1000, Bob Larter <bobbylar...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Bob Larter's legal name: Lionel Lauer
Home news-group, an actual group in the "troll-tracker" hierarchy:
alt.kook.lionel-lauer (established on, or before, 2004)
Registered Description: "the 'owner of several troll domains' needs a group where he'll stay on topic."

Re: Photos of Pterois volitans

bobbylar...@gmail.com (Bob Larter) — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 16:12:35 UT

Or electronics...

Re: Pixel count forecast

blill...@someaddress.com (Bob Larter is Lionel Lauer - Look it up.) — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 15:02:25 UT

On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 01:57:25 +1000, Bob Larter <bobbylar...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Bob Larter's legal name: Lionel Lauer
Home news-group, an actual group in the "troll-tracker" hierarchy:
alt.kook.lionel-lauer (established on, or before, 2004)
Registered Description: "the 'owner of several troll domains' needs a group where he'll stay on topic."

Re: Pixel count forecast

bobbylar...@gmail.com (Bob Larter) — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 15:57:25 UT

LOL.

Re: DSLR Cameras

blill...@someaddress.com (Bob Larter is Lionel Lauer - Look it up.) — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 14:52:05 UT

On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 01:39:27 +1000, Bob Larter <bobbylar...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Bob Larter's legal name: Lionel Lauer
Home news-group, an actual group in the "troll-tracker" hierarchy:
alt.kook.lionel-lauer (established on, or before, 2004)
Registered Description: "the 'owner of several troll domains' needs a group where he'll stay on topic."

Re: DSLR Cameras

bobbylar...@gmail.com (Bob Larter) — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 15:39:27 UT

[...]
LOL.
Those rare times that I care to sell
Well yeah - you can't show something that doesn't exist.

Re: P&S junk. Adding a teleconverter just makes it worse

d...@trollkillers.org (DSLR-Troll Killer) — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 14:34:02 UT

Ooops, got carried away with typing EFL instead of true focal length in the
equations. It was so much easier to type.
An ignorant and idiot pretend-photographer DSLR-Troll would say that, yes.
2197mm EFL / 1.7 (digital zoom) = 1292mm EFL
1292mm EFL / 6 (sensor crop factor) = 215mm true focal length

Re: P&S junk. Adding a teleconverter just makes it worse

d...@trollkillers.org (DSLR-Troll Killer) — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 14:29:45 UT

An ignorant and idiot pretend-photographer DSLR-Troll would say that, yes.
2197mm EFL / 1.7 (digital zoom) = 1292mm EFL
1292mm EFL / 6 (sensor crop factor) = 215mm EFL
215mm EFL / 3.5 (aperture) = 61.5mm required physical diameter.
Nearly all teleconverters for all P&S cameras have more physical diameter