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tony cooper  
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 More options Oct 26, 9:40 am
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From: tony cooper <tony_cooper...@earthlink.net>
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 18:40:27 -0400
Local: Mon, Oct 26 2009 9:40 am
Subject: Airplanes
These two didn't make the cut for the Shoot-In, but I'll link to them
here for the benefit of the people who like images of airplanes:

http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Other/Current-Favorite-Shot/airplane2/6...

http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Other/Current-Favorite-Shot/airplane1/6...
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rwalker  
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From: rwalker <rwal...@despammed.com>
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 21:07:24 -0400
Local: Mon, Oct 26 2009 12:07 pm
Subject: Re: Airplanes
On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 18:40:27 -0400, tony cooper

<tony_cooper...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>These two didn't make the cut for the Shoot-In, but I'll link to them
>here for the benefit of the people who like images of airplanes:

>http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Other/Current-Favorite-Shot/airplane2/6...

>http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Other/Current-Favorite-Shot/airplane1/6...

The second one looks like a TBM.  What is that first one, a B29?

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Nervous Nick  
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 More options Oct 26, 12:38 pm
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From: Nervous Nick <nervous.n...@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 18:38:55 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Mon, Oct 26 2009 12:38 pm
Subject: Re: Airplanes
On Oct 25, 8:07 pm, rwalker <rwal...@despammed.com> wrote:

> On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 18:40:27 -0400, tony cooper

> <tony_cooper...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >These two didn't make the cut for the Shoot-In, but I'll link to them
> >here for the benefit of the people who like images of airplanes:

> >http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Other/Current-Favorite-Shot/airplane2/6...

> >http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Other/Current-Favorite-Shot/airplane1/6...

> The second one looks like a TBM.  What is that first one, a B29?

Not likely.  B29s had four engines and were much much bigger.

My guess is a poorly rendered depiction of a B25.

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Twibil  
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 More options Oct 26, 4:46 pm
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From: Twibil <nowayjo...@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 22:46:58 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Mon, Oct 26 2009 4:46 pm
Subject: Re: Airplanes
On Oct 25, 6:38 pm, Nervous Nick <nervous.n...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > The second one looks like a TBM.  What is that first one, a B29?

> Not likely.  B29s had four engines and were much much bigger.

> My guess is a poorly rendered depiction of a B25.

Nope.  Lockheed Ventura WW2 patrol bomber.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Ventura


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 More options Oct 26, 5:41 pm
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From: Savageduck <savageduck@{REMOVESPAM}me.com>
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 23:41:35 -0700
Local: Mon, Oct 26 2009 5:41 pm
Subject: Re: Airplanes
On 2009-10-25 15:40:27 -0700, tony cooper <tony_cooper...@earthlink.net> said:

> These two didn't make the cut for the Shoot-In, but I'll link to them
> here for the benefit of the people who like images of airplanes:

> http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Other/Current-Favorite-Shot/airplane2/6...

OK.

I give up.
It has the twin tail of a B-25, the nose section of an A-20 Havoc,
bears a resemblance to the A-26 Invader (they both have single tails.)
The closest seems to be the Handley Page Hampden, but that was never
used by the US.
So I guess this is a case of artistic license.

This

looks to be a rendition of a Douglas Dauntless SBD with a section cut
out of the fuselage.

...but as murals, not too bad.

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Savageduck


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Savageduck  
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 More options Oct 26, 5:49 pm
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From: Savageduck <savageduck@{REMOVESPAM}me.com>
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 23:49:59 -0700
Local: Mon, Oct 26 2009 5:49 pm
Subject: Re: Airplanes
On 2009-10-25 22:46:58 -0700, Twibil <nowayjo...@gmail.com> said:

> On Oct 25, 6:38 pm, Nervous Nick <nervous.n...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>> The second one looks like a TBM.  What is that first one, a B29?

>> Not likely.  B29s had four engines and were much much bigger.

>> My guess is a poorly rendered depiction of a B25.

> Nope.  Lockheed Ventura WW2 patrol bomber.

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Ventura

I think you have it. I forgot about the Ventura.

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J. Clarke  
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From: "J. Clarke" <jclarke.use...@cox.net>
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 07:13:06 -0400
Local: Mon, Oct 26 2009 10:13 pm
Subject: Re: Airplanes

Looks to me like the night fighter version of the Lockheed Ventura.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:PV-1_night_fighter_VMF(N)-531_1943.jpg


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Nervous Nick  
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From: Nervous Nick <nervous.n...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 04:38:32 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Mon, Oct 26 2009 10:38 pm
Subject: Re: Airplanes
On Oct 26, 12:46 am, Twibil <nowayjo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Oct 25, 6:38 pm, Nervous Nick <nervous.n...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > The second one looks like a TBM.  What is that first one, a B29?

> > Not likely.  B29s had four engines and were much much bigger.

> > My guess is a poorly rendered depiction of a B25.

> Nope.  Lockheed Ventura WW2 patrol bomber.

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Ventura

Good call!

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Neil Harrington  
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 More options Oct 27, 3:10 am
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From: "Neil Harrington" <sec...@illumnati.net>
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 12:10:18 -0400
Local: Tues, Oct 27 2009 3:10 am
Subject: Re: Airplanes

"Savageduck" <savageduck@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in message

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> On 2009-10-25 15:40:27 -0700, tony cooper <tony_cooper...@earthlink.net>
> said:

>> These two didn't make the cut for the Shoot-In, but I'll link to them
>> here for the benefit of the people who like images of airplanes:

>> http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Other/Current-Favorite-Shot/airplane2/6...

> OK.

> I give up.
> It has the twin tail of a B-25, the nose section of an A-20 Havoc, bears a
> resemblance to the A-26 Invader (they both have single tails.) The closest
> seems to be the Handley Page Hampden, but that was never used by the US.
> So I guess this is a case of artistic license.

No, it's a Lockheed, looks like some sort of military version of the old
Electra. I don't know exactly what that would be, however.

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Neil Harrington  
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 More options Oct 27, 3:33 am
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From: "Neil Harrington" <sec...@illumnati.net>
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 12:33:56 -0400
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Subject: Re: Airplanes

"Neil Harrington" <sec...@illumnati.net> wrote in message

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I see it's already been identified as a Ventura. Googling that I see the
Ventura was developed from the Hudson (which I remember), which in turn was
developed from the Super Electra. They all had a strong family resemblance.

My very first trip in an airliner was in a Lockheed Electra, in 1939. That
was a couple of years after Amelia Earhart disappeared in an Electra
somewhere in the Pacific.


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tony cooper  
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 More options Oct 27, 4:32 am
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From: tony cooper <tony_cooper...@earthlink.net>
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 13:32:20 -0400
Local: Tues, Oct 27 2009 4:32 am
Subject: Re: Airplanes
On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 12:10:18 -0400, "Neil Harrington"

I didn't anticipate the questions about the plane identification.
Next time I'm in DeLand I'll stop by the Visitor's Center where they
have a booklet available on the 13 murals on building walls in the
DeLand downtown.  All commemorate some aspect of the history of the
city.  The booklet may identify the planes.

I did find out, though, that the airplane murals commemorate the Naval
Air Station that was located in DeLand between 1942 and 1946.  I also
found out that there's a Naval Airstation Museum in DeLand that I
didn't know about.  I'll have to visit there.

According to Wiki, about the Naval Airstation, "The first planes were
Lockheed Venturas.   They were not here for training, but were
patrolling the coast of Florida looking for German submarines. When
the SBD Dauntless dive bombers began to arrive, along with pilots and
crew members, the "Venturas" were reassigned to Brazil for patrol
duty. The "SBDs" were planes that were being replaced in the Pacific
fleet. It was the "SBD" that sank the four Japanese carriers at the
Battle of Midway."

--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida


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 More options Oct 27, 1:24 pm
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From: rwalker <rwal...@despammed.com>
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 22:24:11 -0400
Local: Tues, Oct 27 2009 1:24 pm
Subject: Re: Airplanes
On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 18:38:55 -0700 (PDT), Nervous Nick

Thanks.  I always confuse the B29 and the B25.  Can't ever remember
which is the 2 engine, and which is the 4 engine.

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 More options Oct 27, 5:01 pm
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From: Twibil <nowayjo...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 23:01:57 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: Airplanes
On Oct 26, 7:24 pm, rwalker <rwal...@despammed.com> wrote:

> Thanks.  I always confuse the B29 and the B25.  Can't ever remember
> which is the 2 engine, and which is the 4 engine.

Easy way to remember: with four 2,200 hp engines, only the B-29 was
big enough to lift and deliver an atomic bomb.

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 More options Oct 27, 7:22 pm
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From: Ofnuts <o.f.n.u....@la.poste.net>
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 09:22:32 +0100
Local: Tues, Oct 27 2009 7:22 pm
Subject: Re: Airplanes

Twibil wrote:
> On Oct 26, 7:24 pm, rwalker <rwal...@despammed.com> wrote:

>> Thanks.  I always confuse the B29 and the B25.  Can't ever remember
>> which is the 2 engine, and which is the 4 engine.

> Easy way to remember: with four 2,200 hp engines, only the B-29 was
> big enough to lift and deliver an atomic bomb.

Even easier: 4>2, 29>25

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 More options Oct 28, 3:11 am
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From: "Neil Harrington" <sec...@illumnati.net>
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 12:11:46 -0400
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Subject: Re: Airplanes

"Ofnuts" <o.f.n.u....@la.poste.net> wrote in message

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> Twibil wrote:
>> On Oct 26, 7:24 pm, rwalker <rwal...@despammed.com> wrote:

>>> Thanks.  I always confuse the B29 and the B25.  Can't ever remember
>>> which is the 2 engine, and which is the 4 engine.

>> Easy way to remember: with four 2,200 hp engines, only the B-29 was
>> big enough to lift and deliver an atomic bomb.

> Even easier: 4>2, 29>25

But 25 > 24, which screws up that method.   ;-)

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From: Ofnuts <o.f.n.u....@la.poste.net>
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:22:47 +0100
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Subject: Re: Airplanes

Neil Harrington wrote:
> "Ofnuts" <o.f.n.u....@la.poste.net> wrote in message
> news:4ae6adc8$0$9076$426a74cc@news.free.fr...
>> Twibil wrote:
>>> On Oct 26, 7:24 pm, rwalker <rwal...@despammed.com> wrote:
>>>> Thanks.  I always confuse the B29 and the B25.  Can't ever remember
>>>> which is the 2 engine, and which is the 4 engine.
>>> Easy way to remember: with four 2,200 hp engines, only the B-29 was
>>> big enough to lift and deliver an atomic bomb.
>> Even easier: 4>2, 29>25

> But 25 > 24, which screws up that method.   ;-)

We are talking about the B29 and B25. We will ignore the B24 for the
moment:-)

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 More options Oct 28, 7:51 am
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From: Twibil <nowayjo...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 13:51:22 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: Airplanes
On Oct 27, 9:22 am, Ofnuts <o.f.n.u....@la.poste.net> wrote:

> We are talking about the B29 and B25. We will ignore the B24 for the
> moment:-)

That's what they said in Ploesti.

http://www.rustycans.com/Graphics/ploesti2.jpg


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From: tony cooper <tony_cooper...@earthlink.net>
Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 00:12:44 -0500
Local: Tues, Nov 3 2009 4:12 pm
Subject: Re: Airplanes
On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 18:40:27 -0400, tony cooper

<tony_cooper...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>These two didn't make the cut for the Shoot-In, but I'll link to them
>here for the benefit of the people who like images of airplanes:

>http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Other/Current-Favorite-Shot/airplane2/6...

>http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Other/Current-Favorite-Shot/airplane1/6...

I put the above images up a while back, and people were identifying
the planes.  I went back to DeLand and noticed this on the building:
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f244/cooper213/mural.jpg

I didn't photograph all of the planes pictured in the mural.

--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida


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Savageduck  
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From: Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com>
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 21:30:14 -0800
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Subject: Re: Airplanes
On 2009-11-02 21:12:44 -0800, tony cooper <tony_cooper...@earthlink.net> said:

> On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 18:40:27 -0400, tony cooper
> <tony_cooper...@earthlink.net> wrote:

>> These two didn't make the cut for the Shoot-In, but I'll link to them
>> here for the benefit of the people who like images of airplanes:

>> http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Other/Current-Favorite-Shot/airplane2/6...

http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Other/Current-Favorite-Shot/airplane1/6...

I

> put the above images up a while back, and people were identifying
> the planes.  I went back to DeLand and noticed this on the building:
> http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f244/cooper213/mural.jpg

> I didn't photograph all of the planes pictured in the mural.

Well there is the confirmation.

...but I see Courtney had a problem with the "u" in Ventura.

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Savageduck


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