Hello, my fellow Americans...did you remember to move all of your timepieces, back an hour? Daylight Saving Time ended, early on Sunday morning (November 1, 2009), in our country.
I, personally, needed to reset my wristwatch, several clocks, various electronic devices, a number of digicams and my lone DSLR (Pentax K100D); initially, I forgot a few of the devices (including some cameras), and did them later.
> Hello, my fellow Americans...did you remember to move all of your > timepieces, back > an hour? Daylight Saving Time ended, early on Sunday morning (November > 1, 2009), in > our country.
> I, personally, needed to reset my wristwatch, several clocks, various > electronic > devices, a number of digicams and my lone DSLR (Pentax K100D); > initially, I forgot > a few of the devices (including some cameras), and did them later.
> -- > Cordially, > John Turco <j...@concentric.net>
I leave my cameras on UTC - much other stuff is automatic these days.
> Hello, my fellow Americans...did you remember to move all of your > timepieces, back > an hour? Daylight Saving Time ended, early on Sunday morning (November 1, > 2009), in > our country.
> I, personally, needed to reset my wristwatch, several clocks, various > electronic > devices, a number of digicams and my lone DSLR (Pentax K100D); initially, > I forgot > a few of the devices (including some cameras), and did them later.
> -- > Cordially, > John Turco <j...@concentric.net>
<david-tay...@blueyonder.not-this-bit.nor-this.co.uk.invalid> wrote: >> Hello, my fellow Americans...did you remember to move all of your >> timepieces, back >> an hour? Daylight Saving Time ended, early on Sunday morning (November >> 1, 2009), in >> our country.
>> I, personally, needed to reset my wristwatch, several clocks, various >> electronic >> devices, a number of digicams and my lone DSLR (Pentax K100D); >> initially, I forgot >> a few of the devices (including some cameras), and did them later.
>> -- >> Cordially, >> John Turco <j...@concentric.net>
>I leave my cameras on UTC - much other stuff is automatic these days.
>Cheers, >David
I leave my camera on Eastern (U.S.) Standard Time.
On Sun, 01 Nov 2009 23:36:45 -0600, John Turco wrote: > Hello, my fellow Americans...did you remember to move all of your > timepieces, back an hour? Daylight Saving Time ended, early on Sunday > morning (November 1, 2009), in our country.
> I, personally, needed to reset my wristwatch, several clocks, various > electronic devices, a number of digicams and my lone DSLR (Pentax > K100D); initially, I forgot a few of the devices (including some > cameras), and did them later.
John Turco wrote: > Hello, my fellow Americans...did you remember to move all of > your > timepieces, back an hour? Daylight Saving Time ended, early on > Sunday > morning (November 1, 2009), in our country.
> I, personally, needed to reset my wristwatch, several clocks, > various > electronic devices, a number of digicams and my lone DSLR > (Pentax > K100D); initially, I forgot a few of the devices (including > some > cameras), and did them later.
As someone living in a country where DST is not used, I have never been able to understand the logic behind the practice or how it's considered to be worth all the disruption and adjustments it makes necessary. By adjustments, I mean not just the twice-a-year resetting of clocks, but also adjusting life (personal, business, time-critical management, etc.) to the new timings. But I'm not blindly criticising something I don't understand. I'm open to enlightenment.
mianileng wrote: > John Turco wrote: >> Hello, my fellow Americans...did you remember to move all of >> your >> timepieces, back an hour? Daylight Saving Time ended, early on >> Sunday >> morning (November 1, 2009), in our country.
>> I, personally, needed to reset my wristwatch, several clocks, >> various >> electronic devices, a number of digicams and my lone DSLR >> (Pentax >> K100D); initially, I forgot a few of the devices (including >> some >> cameras), and did them later.
> As someone living in a country where DST is not used, I have > never been able to understand the logic behind the practice or > how it's considered to be worth all the disruption and > adjustments it makes necessary. By adjustments, I mean not just > the twice-a-year resetting of clocks, but also adjusting life > (personal, business, time-critical management, etc.) to the new > timings. But I'm not blindly criticising something I don't > understand. I'm open to enlightenment.
The idea is that in summer (because Winter time is closer to true time) more evening activities can take place in daylight. In other words, this takes daylight hours in the very early morning (when most people are still asleep) and puts them in the evening.
Of course, if the offices of government and big companies, schools, daycare centers, shops, all started the day at 7am and finished it at 4pm, this would have about the same effect. -- Bertrand
"mianileng" <mianil...@invalid.com> wrote: > By adjustments, I mean not just > the twice-a-year resetting of clocks, but also adjusting life > (personal, business, time-critical management, etc.) to the new > timings.
It's no different than moving to another time zone one hour off. Nothing changes except the clocks.
Fall-back is my favorite day of the year. You get an extra hour to do with as you please!
On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 21:57:08 +0530, mianileng wrote: > John Turco wrote: >> Hello, my fellow Americans...did you remember to move all of your >> timepieces, back an hour? Daylight Saving Time ended, early on Sunday >> morning (November 1, 2009), in our country.
>> I, personally, needed to reset my wristwatch, several clocks, various >> electronic devices, a number of digicams and my lone DSLR (Pentax >> K100D); initially, I forgot a few of the devices (including some >> cameras), and did them later.
> As someone living in a country where DST is not used, I have never been > able to understand the logic behind the practice or how it's considered > to be worth all the disruption and adjustments it makes necessary. By > adjustments, I mean not just the twice-a-year resetting of clocks, but > also adjusting life (personal, business, time-critical management, etc.) > to the new timings. But I'm not blindly criticising something I don't > understand. I'm open to enlightenment.
No logic to it at all. It's claimed it saves energy, but a study in Indiana (a 'split' state) showed that to be totally bogus. It's psychological - that's all. And a huge waste of resources, resetting all the damned clocks twice a year. It should certainly be abolished - would make life simpler all the way around.
>> As someone living in a country where DST is not used, I have >> never been able to understand the logic behind the practice or >> how it's considered to be worth all the disruption and >> adjustments it makes necessary. By adjustments, I mean not >> just >> the twice-a-year resetting of clocks, but also adjusting life >> (personal, business, time-critical management, etc.) to the >> new >> timings. But I'm not blindly criticising something I don't >> understand. I'm open to enlightenment.
> The idea is that in summer (because Winter time is closer to > true > time) more evening activities can take place in daylight. In > other > words, this takes daylight hours in the very early morning > (when most > people are still asleep) and puts them in the evening.
> Of course, if the offices of government and big companies, > schools, > daycare centers, shops, all started the day at 7am and finished > it at > 4pm, this would have about the same effect.
That's what's done over here. As the days grow shorter with the approach of winter, working hours are simply shortened, usually from mid-October. Government office timings are changed from 9-5 to 9:30-4, and revert to 9-5 in spring. Businesses also make similar adjustments. I feel that this causes fewer complications than DST.
On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 21:57:08 +0530, "mianileng" <mianil...@invalid.com> wrote:
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>As someone living in a country where DST is not used, I have >never been able to understand the logic behind the practice or >how it's considered to be worth all the disruption and >adjustments it makes necessary.
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Believe me, many of us who live in countries (well, in the U.S. at any rate) that have DST don't get it either. Supposedly by allowing for more daylight in the afternoons and evenings, people use less resources on indoor lighting, etc. But most studies of actual usage have shown that this is not really the case.
>On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 21:57:08 +0530, mianileng wrote:
>> John Turco wrote: >>> Hello, my fellow Americans...did you remember to move all of your >>> timepieces, back an hour? Daylight Saving Time ended, early on Sunday >>> morning (November 1, 2009), in our country.
>>> I, personally, needed to reset my wristwatch, several clocks, various >>> electronic devices, a number of digicams and my lone DSLR (Pentax >>> K100D); initially, I forgot a few of the devices (including some >>> cameras), and did them later.
>> As someone living in a country where DST is not used, I have never been >> able to understand the logic behind the practice or how it's considered >> to be worth all the disruption and adjustments it makes necessary. By >> adjustments, I mean not just the twice-a-year resetting of clocks, but >> also adjusting life (personal, business, time-critical management, etc.) >> to the new timings. But I'm not blindly criticising something I don't >> understand. I'm open to enlightenment.
>No logic to it at all. It's claimed it saves energy, but a study in >Indiana (a 'split' state) showed that to be totally bogus. It's >psychological - that's all. And a huge waste of resources, resetting all >the damned clocks twice a year. It should certainly be abolished - would >make life simpler all the way around.
I reset two automobile clocks, two alarm clocks, one wrist-watch, and one wall clock yesterday. It took about as much resources to do as sneezing.
It's far less complicated than figuring out if the Customer Service phones will be answered by companies in other time zones when I'm making calls early in the morning or late afternoon.
rwalker wrote: > On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 21:57:08 +0530, "mianileng" <mianil...@invalid.com> > wrote:
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>> As someone living in a country where DST is not used, I have >> never been able to understand the logic behind the practice or >> how it's considered to be worth all the disruption and >> adjustments it makes necessary.
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> Believe me, many of us who live in countries (well, in the U.S. at any > rate) that have DST don't get it either. Supposedly by allowing for > more daylight in the afternoons and evenings, people use less > resources on indoor lighting, etc. But most studies of actual usage > have shown that this is not really the case.
It's the silliest idea yet, in a world of silly ideas. During a part of WWII we had _double_ DST, One-hour advance at all times, and, if I recall correctly, two-hour change in summer. I remember I was in my high school band and we had marching practice before school began. Flashlights, anyone? A really crazy mess at one time: in 1955 and 1956 I was in Pittsburgh slowing the takeover of the US steel industry by the Koreans. At that time in Pennsylvania DSL was a local option by township. For those who don't know, a township is a tract of land four miles by four miles square. This led to such things as bars across the street from each other, or even possibly next to each other, having different closing times. If we are going to continue this mess, every little speck of the US should be required to participate. There is an old story about an old man saying that it was like cutting a foot-wide strip off a blanket and sewing it on the other end. Allen
On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 13:51:04 -0500, tony cooper wrote: > On 2 Nov 2009 17:31:10 GMT, ray <r...@zianet.com> wrote:
>>On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 21:57:08 +0530, mianileng wrote:
>>> John Turco wrote: >>>> Hello, my fellow Americans...did you remember to move all of your >>>> timepieces, back an hour? Daylight Saving Time ended, early on Sunday >>>> morning (November 1, 2009), in our country.
>>>> I, personally, needed to reset my wristwatch, several clocks, various >>>> electronic devices, a number of digicams and my lone DSLR (Pentax >>>> K100D); initially, I forgot a few of the devices (including some >>>> cameras), and did them later.
>>> As someone living in a country where DST is not used, I have never >>> been able to understand the logic behind the practice or how it's >>> considered to be worth all the disruption and adjustments it makes >>> necessary. By adjustments, I mean not just the twice-a-year resetting >>> of clocks, but also adjusting life (personal, business, time-critical >>> management, etc.) to the new timings. But I'm not blindly criticising >>> something I don't understand. I'm open to enlightenment.
>>No logic to it at all. It's claimed it saves energy, but a study in >>Indiana (a 'split' state) showed that to be totally bogus. It's >>psychological - that's all. And a huge waste of resources, resetting all >>the damned clocks twice a year. It should certainly be abolished - would >>make life simpler all the way around.
> I reset two automobile clocks, two alarm clocks, one wrist-watch, and > one wall clock yesterday. It took about as much resources to do as > sneezing.
Great - now multiply the time it took to do it by 300,000,000 people in the US. And don't forget the microwave, the oven, the VCR, . . .
> It's far less complicated than figuring out if the Customer Service > phones will be answered by companies in other time zones when I'm making > calls early in the morning or late afternoon.
Particularly when you don't know if they're in Arizona, California or New Mexico (for example) all of whom have different ideas of the time. As I understand the Chinese get around the whole damned problem by having one time zone for the entire country.
On 3 Nov 2009 01:05:27 GMT, ray <r...@zianet.com> wrote:
>On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 18:21:27 -0500, Robert Haar wrote:
>> On 11/2/09 10:35 AM, "ray" <r...@zianet.com> wrote:
>>> Another four million man-hours down the crapper!
>> I think you underestimate by an order of magnitude or more.
>Just a quick back of the envelope thing - you're probably right.
Before time can be considered to be wasted, you have to determine that the time would be otherwise better spent on some more useful activity.
If it takes a person five minutes to change the necessary clocks, and if that person would have spent those five minutes watching Jerry Springer or Oprah if there wasn't a need to change the clocks, then there is no waste. If the person multi-tasks, as most of us do, while changing the clocks, there is no wasted time.
Who here didn't have time to do something important Sunday because they had to divert that time to changing the clocks?
On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 21:46:34 -0500, tony cooper wrote: > On 3 Nov 2009 01:05:27 GMT, ray <r...@zianet.com> wrote:
>>On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 18:21:27 -0500, Robert Haar wrote:
>>> On 11/2/09 10:35 AM, "ray" <r...@zianet.com> wrote:
>>>> Another four million man-hours down the crapper!
>>> I think you underestimate by an order of magnitude or more.
>>Just a quick back of the envelope thing - you're probably right.
> Before time can be considered to be wasted, you have to determine that > the time would be otherwise better spent on some more useful activity.
> If it takes a person five minutes to change the necessary clocks, and if > that person would have spent those five minutes watching Jerry Springer > or Oprah if there wasn't a need to change the clocks, then there is no > waste. If the person multi-tasks, as most of us do, while changing the > clocks, there is no wasted time.
> Who here didn't have time to do something important Sunday because they > had to divert that time to changing the clocks?
On 2009-11-02 00:36:45 -0500, John Turco <j...@concentric.net> said:
> Hello, my fellow Americans...did you remember to move all of your > timepieces, back > an hour? Daylight Saving Time ended, early on Sunday morning (November > 1, 2009), in > our country.
> I, personally, needed to reset my wristwatch, several clocks, various > electronic > devices, a number of digicams and my lone DSLR (Pentax K100D); > initially, I forgot > a few of the devices (including some cameras), and did them later.
Damn. I forgot to reset my Nikon F. Oh, wait. It doesn't have a clock. Or a battery. Or a sensor. Just uses whatever's newest. Like Ektar. And Velvia. And whatever's left of my Kodachrome. -- Michael
> mianileng wrote: >> John Turco wrote: >>> Hello, my fellow Americans...did you remember to move all of your >>> timepieces, back an hour? Daylight Saving Time ended, early on Sunday >>> morning (November 1, 2009), in our country.
>>> I, personally, needed to reset my wristwatch, several clocks, various >>> electronic devices, a number of digicams and my lone DSLR (Pentax >>> K100D); initially, I forgot a few of the devices (including some >>> cameras), and did them later.
>> As someone living in a country where DST is not used, I have never been >> able to understand the logic behind the practice or how it's considered >> to be worth all the disruption and adjustments it makes necessary. By >> adjustments, I mean not just the twice-a-year resetting of clocks, but >> also adjusting life (personal, business, time-critical management, etc.) >> to the new timings. But I'm not blindly criticising something I don't >> understand. I'm open to enlightenment.
> The idea is that in summer (because Winter time is closer to true time) > more evening activities can take place in daylight. In other words, this > takes daylight hours in the very early morning (when most people are still > asleep) and puts them in the evening.
> Of course, if the offices of government and big companies, schools, > daycare centers, shops, all started the day at 7am and finished it at 4pm, > this would have about the same effect. > -- > Bertrand
Hello guys.
The UK first used Summer Time during World War One to help to increase productivity.
The UK also tried to keep on Summer Time all through the winter. Nice experiment but not liked by those who voiced their opinion.
> On 3 Nov 2009 01:05:27 GMT, ray <r...@zianet.com> wrote:
> If it takes a person five minutes to change the necessary clocks, and > if that person would have spent those five minutes watching Jerry > Springer or Oprah if there wasn't a need to change the clocks, then > there is no waste. If the person multi-tasks, as most of us do, while > changing the clocks, there is no wasted time.
But almost no one can multi-task that just think theyv can, what a person does is time-slice adn proiratorise even teh eye does that as only about 15% of our total vision is active at any one point the brain captutes the view then the eye scans another area and captures that and the brain joins it and pretends it's one picture, which is how and why magitians can perform their tricks. They use this time-slicing to make sure we don;t 'see' what they are doing.
> Who here didn't have time to do something important Sunday because > they had to divert that time to changing the clocks?
> Don't all raise your hands at once.
Nah most of mine change themselves, the others I do when I have 'free time' ;-) In there's one that I don't change from year to year.
> The UK first used Summer Time during World War One to help to increase > productivity.
I thought the most recent excuse for todays time change was something to do with kids going to school o the dark and accidents when driving .
> The UK also tried to keep on Summer Time all through the winter. Nice > experiment but not liked by those who voiced their opinion.
I only discovered a couple of weeks ago thatr india has 1/2 hour times zones i.e not 24 hours but and extra increment. I discovered this using Apples world clock on New Delhi where my friend is currently staying. I'd always thought that time zones were all 1 hour steps.
> On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 13:51:04 -0500, tony cooper wrote: > Great - now multiply the time it took to do it by 300,000,000 people in > the US. And don't forget the microwave, the oven, the VCR, . . .
But you don;t need to change the microwave, or cooker time do you ? Cokoing time doesn't change depending oin time of year. VCR yes if you still have such an antique device my DVD recorder changes itself ;-)
>> It's far less complicated than figuring out if the Customer Service >> phones will be answered by companies in other time zones when I'm making >> calls early in the morning or late afternoon.
> Particularly when you don't know if they're in Arizona, California or New > Mexico (for example) all of whom have different ideas of the time. As I > understand the Chinese get around the whole damned problem by having one > time zone for the entire country.
On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 13:56:21 +0000, whisky-dave wrote: > "ray" <r...@zianet.com> wrote in message > news:7l90qoF3c5mjlU6@mid.individual.net... >> On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 13:51:04 -0500, tony cooper wrote:
>> Great - now multiply the time it took to do it by 300,000,000 people in >> the US. And don't forget the microwave, the oven, the VCR, . . .
> But you don;t need to change the microwave, or cooker time do you ? > Cokoing time doesn't change depending oin time of year. VCR yes if you > still have such an antique device my DVD recorder changes itself ;-)
Well, you don't NEED to change any of the damned things. I routinely leave my watch set as it is and mentally subtract an hour (or is it add one?) during the summer. But equally obviously, if they'd leave the system alone no one would need to change a damned thing!
>>> It's far less complicated than figuring out if the Customer Service >>> phones will be answered by companies in other time zones when I'm >>> making calls early in the morning or late afternoon.
>> Particularly when you don't know if they're in Arizona, California or >> New Mexico (for example) all of whom have different ideas of the time. >> As I understand the Chinese get around the whole damned problem by >> having one time zone for the entire country.
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