> In addition to the gels for my flash, I picked up a cable release for my > Rebel XSi.
> There is a female plug (in addition to the cable and male end), which > seems to allow for a second cable to be attached to the button.
> Does anybody know what it's for? Triggering two cams at once?
> (I Googled: "cable release canon xsi reviews tips" but didn't get much.)
Hi Dudley, does it look like a Y-split? That is, from the button there are two cables, one going to the camera, another to the female receptacle? If yes, then probably your guess it right.
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> Ο "Dudley Hanks" <dha...@blind-apertures.ca> έγραψε στο μήνυμα > news:Q3lHm.50167$Db2.3139@edtnps83... >> In addition to the gels for my flash, I picked up a cable release for my >> Rebel XSi.
>> There is a female plug (in addition to the cable and male end), which >> seems to allow for a second cable to be attached to the button.
>> Does anybody know what it's for? Triggering two cams at once?
>> (I Googled: "cable release canon xsi reviews tips" but didn't get much.)
> Hi Dudley, > does it look like a Y-split? That is, from the button there are two > cables, one going to the camera, another to the female receptacle? If yes, > then probably your guess it right.
> -- > Tzortzakakis Dimitrios > major in electrical engineering > mechanized infantry reservist > hordad AT otenet DOT gr
Actually, no, it's on the other end.
The part you hold in your hand is sort of a smoothed rectangular shape, with both the button and the wire located at one end. The jack I'm talking about is on the other end, so that whatever wire is plugged in would come out in the palm of your closed hand as you hold the release.
The wire would then have to curl back around your fingers to end up heading back towards whatever subject you're working with.
I'll have to button-hole somebody whith sight and get them to go through the instruction sheet that came with it.
All I want the thing for is to remotely trigger my camera when working with longer shutter speeds, and I've got that figured out. But, I'm a curious bloke, and I just have to find out what every little nook and cranny is for once I buy something.
"Dudley Hanks" <dha...@blind-apertures.ca> wrote in message news:... > In addition to the gels for my flash, I picked up a cable release for my > Rebel XSi.
> There is a female plug (in addition to the cable and male end), which > seems to allow for a second cable to be attached to the button.
> Does anybody know what it's for? Triggering two cams at once?
> (I Googled: "cable release canon xsi reviews tips" but didn't get much.)
> Take Care, > Dudley
Ah, mystery solved.
I snagged my son before he could get away, and asked him to go through the instruction sheet. Apparently, it's just a storage holder for the plug when the release isn't being used.
That's kind of disappointing. I was hoping there was some other feature I could play with...
Dudley Hanks wrote: > "Dudley Hanks" <dha...@blind-apertures.ca> wrote in message news:... > > In addition to the gels for my flash, I picked up a cable release for my > > Rebel XSi.
> > There is a female plug (in addition to the cable and male end), which > > seems to allow for a second cable to be attached to the button.
> > Does anybody know what it's for? Triggering two cams at once?
> > (I Googled: "cable release canon xsi reviews tips" but didn't get much.)
> > Take Care, > > Dudley
> Ah, mystery solved.
> I snagged my son before he could get away, and asked him to go through the > instruction sheet. Apparently, it's just a storage holder for the plug when > the release isn't being used.
> That's kind of disappointing. I was hoping there was some other feature I > could play with...
Sounds like the standard Cannon cable release where the wire is wound around the handle and the plug pops in the side of the handle.
A long time ago I had a Canon film EOS that used the same cable. One contact for auto focussing and the second for shutter. I used a simple transistor switches and drove the camera from a computer through the cable jack.
"Dudley Hanks" <dha...@blind-apertures.ca> wrote: >In addition to the gels for my flash, I picked up a cable release for my >Rebel XSi.
A cable release? A real true honest to god cable release? I had no idea that modern cameras even have a socket for them. I thought all remote controls were electronic nowadays.
In article <t4rue51jq0d5ptgc3ltt8jjc09r47i1...@4ax.com>, Jόrgen Exner
<jurge...@hotmail.com> wrote: > >In addition to the gels for my flash, I picked up a cable release for my > >Rebel XSi.
> A cable release? A real true honest to god cable release? I had no idea > that modern cameras even have a socket for them. I thought all remote > controls were electronic nowadays.
> "Dudley Hanks" <dha...@blind-apertures.ca> wrote: >>In addition to the gels for my flash, I picked up a cable release for my >>Rebel XSi.
> A cable release? A real true honest to god cable release? I had no idea > that modern cameras even have a socket for them. I thought all remote > controls were electronic nowadays.
> jue
No, not in the old sense of the word "cable."
It's actually a corded electronic switch, so it's only a "cable" release in that it attaches to the camera by a wire.
> In article <t4rue51jq0d5ptgc3ltt8jjc09r47i1...@4ax.com>, Jόrgen Exner > <jurge...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >In addition to the gels for my flash, I picked up a cable release for my >> >Rebel XSi.
>> A cable release? A real true honest to god cable release? I had no idea >> that modern cameras even have a socket for them. I thought all remote >> controls were electronic nowadays.
> i'm sure he means an electronic one.
Yep, it's a switch. But the guys at the camera store I deal with are old school, so old terminology dies hard.
Dudley Hanks wrote: > "Jόrgen Exner" <jurge...@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:t4rue51jq0d5ptgc3ltt8jjc09r47i1vf7@4ax.com... >> "Dudley Hanks" <dha...@blind-apertures.ca> wrote: >>> In addition to the gels for my flash, I picked up a cable release for my >>> Rebel XSi. >> A cable release? A real true honest to god cable release? I had no idea >> that modern cameras even have a socket for them. I thought all remote >> controls were electronic nowadays.
>> jue
> No, not in the old sense of the word "cable."
> It's actually a corded electronic switch, so it's only a "cable" release in > that it attaches to the camera by a wire.
"electronic" is a bit overboard since it contains two plain switches...
"Jόrgen Exner" wrote: > "Dudley Hanks" <dha...@blind-apertures.ca> wrote: > >In addition to the gels for my flash, I picked up a cable release for my > >Rebel XSi.
> A cable release? A real true honest to god cable release? I had no idea > that modern cameras even have a socket for them. I thought all remote > controls were electronic nowadays.
It is three wires ground and two switches to ground, one to focus the second to fire the shutter.
>> "Dudley Hanks" <dha...@blind-apertures.ca> wrote: >>> In addition to the gels for my flash, I picked up a cable release >>> for my Rebel XSi.
>> A cable release? A real true honest to god cable release? I had no >> idea that modern cameras even have a socket for them. I thought all >> remote controls were electronic nowadays.
> It is three wires ground and two switches to ground, one to focus the > second to fire the shutter.
And a latch that holds the button down to provide a timed release if you want one.
There's a fancier one that has an interval timer and other features.
>Dudley Hanks wrote: >> "Jόrgen Exner" <jurge...@hotmail.com> wrote in message >> news:t4rue51jq0d5ptgc3ltt8jjc09r47i1vf7@4ax.com... >>> "Dudley Hanks" <dha...@blind-apertures.ca> wrote: >>>> In addition to the gels for my flash, I picked up a cable release for my >>>> Rebel XSi. >>> A cable release? A real true honest to god cable release? I had no idea >>> that modern cameras even have a socket for them. I thought all remote >>> controls were electronic nowadays.
>>> jue
>> No, not in the old sense of the word "cable."
>> It's actually a corded electronic switch, so it's only a "cable" release in >> that it attaches to the camera by a wire.
>"electronic" is a bit overboard since it contains two plain switches...
That may be true for that one, but not all. One for my P&S cameras also lets you adjust zoom, half-press for focus, full press for shutter. When taken apart there's a small IC chip in there to send digital-signals to accomplish all that. Discovered this when I tried just a simple switch on a longer wire to accomplish at least one function. No go. Opened up the OEM cable-release to see what was up and saw the more complex circuitry and IC.
> On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 12:58:59 +0100, Ofnuts <o.f.n.u....@la.poste.net> > wrote:
>>Dudley Hanks wrote: >>> "Jόrgen Exner" <jurge...@hotmail.com> wrote in message >>> news:t4rue51jq0d5ptgc3ltt8jjc09r47i1vf7@4ax.com... >>>> "Dudley Hanks" <dha...@blind-apertures.ca> wrote: >>>>> In addition to the gels for my flash, I picked up a cable release for >>>>> my >>>>> Rebel XSi. >>>> A cable release? A real true honest to god cable release? I had no idea >>>> that modern cameras even have a socket for them. I thought all remote >>>> controls were electronic nowadays.
>>>> jue
>>> No, not in the old sense of the word "cable."
>>> It's actually a corded electronic switch, so it's only a "cable" release >>> in >>> that it attaches to the camera by a wire.
>>"electronic" is a bit overboard since it contains two plain switches...
> That may be true for that one, but not all. One for my P&S cameras also > lets you adjust zoom, half-press for focus, full press for shutter. When > taken apart there's a small IC chip in there to send digital-signals to > accomplish all that. Discovered this when I tried just a simple switch on > a > longer wire to accomplish at least one function. No go. Opened up the OEM > cable-release to see what was up and saw the more complex circuitry and > IC.
I'm guessing this has more than just simple switches as well. Nowadays, nobody uses simple mechanics when a circuit can be used to stave off generic copies...
>>> Dudley Hanks wrote: >>>> "Jόrgen Exner" <jurge...@hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>> news:t4rue51jq0d5ptgc3ltt8jjc09r47i1vf7@4ax.com... >>>>> "Dudley Hanks" <dha...@blind-apertures.ca> wrote: >>>>>> In addition to the gels for my flash, I picked up a cable release for >>>>>> my >>>>>> Rebel XSi. >>>>> A cable release? A real true honest to god cable release? I had no idea >>>>> that modern cameras even have a socket for them. I thought all remote >>>>> controls were electronic nowadays.
>>>>> jue >>>> No, not in the old sense of the word "cable."
>>>> It's actually a corded electronic switch, so it's only a "cable" release >>>> in >>>> that it attaches to the camera by a wire. >>> "electronic" is a bit overboard since it contains two plain switches... >> That may be true for that one, but not all. One for my P&S cameras also >> lets you adjust zoom, half-press for focus, full press for shutter. When >> taken apart there's a small IC chip in there to send digital-signals to >> accomplish all that. Discovered this when I tried just a simple switch on >> a >> longer wire to accomplish at least one function. No go. Opened up the OEM >> cable-release to see what was up and saw the more complex circuitry and >> IC.
> I'm guessing this has more than just simple switches as well. Nowadays, > nobody uses simple mechanics when a circuit can be used to stave off generic > copies...
Not the one for Canon cameras. You'll find plenty of wiring diagrams for them on the net. All the camera requires is two contacts that correspond to half-press and full-press on the trigger. It is indeed that simple. I cobbled up a light-activated trigger by just connecting the output of a $5 slave flash controller to the remoter control socket of my camera.
J?rgen Exner <jurge...@hotmail.com> wrote: > "Dudley Hanks" <dha...@blind-apertures.ca> wrote: >>In addition to the gels for my flash, I picked up a cable release for my >>Rebel XSi. > A cable release? A real true honest to god cable release? I had no idea > that modern cameras even have a socket for them. I thought all remote > controls were electronic nowadays.
My three most modern cameras all have sockets for a cable shutter release, which can either take an electric cable with a double action switch at the end (for the press and half press) or else a radio receiver for a radio controlled shutter release.
>>>> Dudley Hanks wrote: >>>>> "Jόrgen Exner" <jurge...@hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:t4rue51jq0d5ptgc3ltt8jjc09r47i1vf7@4ax.com... >>>>>> "Dudley Hanks" <dha...@blind-apertures.ca> wrote: >>>>>>> In addition to the gels for my flash, I picked up a cable release >>>>>>> for my >>>>>>> Rebel XSi. >>>>>> A cable release? A real true honest to god cable release? I had no >>>>>> idea >>>>>> that modern cameras even have a socket for them. I thought all remote >>>>>> controls were electronic nowadays.
>>>>>> jue >>>>> No, not in the old sense of the word "cable."
>>>>> It's actually a corded electronic switch, so it's only a "cable" >>>>> release in >>>>> that it attaches to the camera by a wire. >>>> "electronic" is a bit overboard since it contains two plain switches... >>> That may be true for that one, but not all. One for my P&S cameras also >>> lets you adjust zoom, half-press for focus, full press for shutter. When >>> taken apart there's a small IC chip in there to send digital-signals to >>> accomplish all that. Discovered this when I tried just a simple switch >>> on a >>> longer wire to accomplish at least one function. No go. Opened up the >>> OEM >>> cable-release to see what was up and saw the more complex circuitry and >>> IC.
>> I'm guessing this has more than just simple switches as well. Nowadays, >> nobody uses simple mechanics when a circuit can be used to stave off >> generic copies...
> Not the one for Canon cameras. You'll find plenty of wiring diagrams for > them on the net. All the camera requires is two contacts that correspond > to half-press and full-press on the trigger. It is indeed that simple. I > cobbled up a light-activated trigger by just connecting the output of a $5 > slave flash controller to the remoter control socket of my camera.
> -- > Bertrand
Cool! That opens up a few possibilities... I may have to check into it.
Dudley Hanks wrote: > I'm guessing this has more than just simple switches as well.
The standard Canon DSLR cable-release is two simple leaf-switches.
> Nowadays, > nobody uses simple mechanics when a circuit can be used to stave off generic > copies...
Canon uses weird connectors instead...
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Chris Malcolm <c...@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote: >J?rgen Exner <jurge...@hotmail.com> wrote: >> "Dudley Hanks" <dha...@blind-apertures.ca> wrote: >>>In addition to the gels for my flash, I picked up a cable release for my >>>Rebel XSi.
>> A cable release? A real true honest to god cable release? I had no idea >> that modern cameras even have a socket for them. I thought all remote >> controls were electronic nowadays.
>My three most modern cameras all have sockets for a cable shutter >release,
>which can either take an electric cable with a double action >switch at the end (for the press and half press) or else a radio >receiver for a radio controlled shutter release.
Though so. That's not a cable release, that is a remote control/release, either wired or radio controlled.
Bob Larter wrote: > Dudley Hanks wrote: >> I'm guessing this has more than just simple switches as well.
> The standard Canon DSLR cable-release is two simple leaf-switches.
>> Nowadays, nobody uses simple mechanics when a circuit can be used to >> stave off generic copies...
> Canon uses weird connectors instead...
On the xxD and xD series cameras they do. On the xxxD series it is a standard 2.5mm stereo headphone socket. The sleeve is the common, the ring is AF Enable and the Tip is Shutter. To start AF you simply need to short the ring to the sleeve, and to take a photo you short the tip to the sleeve. You can use NPN transistors across the terminals for remote controlling. Note that if doing this you need to have 2 NPN transistors - one for AF enable and one for shutter. You cannot simply connect AF Enable and shutter together. If you don't ground AF Enable, it will work on Manual Focus IF the camera is set to Manual Focus, but if the camera goes into it's half-sleep mode the shutter enable won't wake it.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdaj/1317816870/ is a little circuit that I cobbled together (I can't quite take full credit for it, as the principle was copied), that I use for timed control shutter with my old palm pda. With suitable software the same circuit could be used for PC Control. I originally did that for use with Pentax, but have since tested with Canon. Both have identical remote control interfaces. I am led to believe that xxD and xD cameras can use the same system IF you have a suitable plug and can work out the connectors.
> Bob Larter wrote: >> Dudley Hanks wrote: >>> I'm guessing this has more than just simple switches as well.
>> The standard Canon DSLR cable-release is two simple leaf-switches.
>>> Nowadays, nobody uses simple mechanics when a circuit can be used to >>> stave off generic copies...
>> Canon uses weird connectors instead... > On the xxD and xD series cameras they do. On the xxxD series it is a > standard 2.5mm stereo headphone socket. The sleeve is the common, the ring > is AF Enable and the Tip is Shutter. > To start AF you simply need to short the ring to the sleeve, and to take a > photo you short the tip to the sleeve. > You can use NPN transistors across the terminals for remote controlling. > Note that if doing this you need to have 2 NPN transistors - one for AF > enable and one for shutter. You cannot simply connect AF Enable and > shutter together. If you don't ground AF Enable, it will work on Manual > Focus IF the camera is set to Manual Focus, but if the camera goes into > it's half-sleep mode the shutter enable won't wake it.
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdaj/1317816870/ > is a little circuit that I cobbled together (I can't quite take full > credit for it, as the principle was copied), that I use for timed control > shutter with my old palm pda. With suitable software the same circuit > could be used for PC Control. I originally did that for use with Pentax, > but have since tested with Canon. > Both have identical remote control interfaces. > I am led to believe that xxD and xD cameras can use the same system IF you > have a suitable plug and can work out the connectors.
> -- > What is the difference between a duck?
This is really quite interesting. It definitely leaves the door wide open for triggering the camera by remote, and it could help me a lot with my style of shooting...
Doug Jewell wrote: >> Canon uses weird connectors instead... > On the xxD and xD series cameras they do.
One explanation is that the audio-jack socket is a "hole" in the casing and so cannot be used on the more "pro" models that are designed to be dust/splash-proof. It also takes more space inside.
> I am led to believe that xxD and xD cameras can use the same system IF > you have a suitable plug and can work out the connectors.
J?rgen Exner <jurge...@hotmail.com> wrote: > Chris Malcolm <c...@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote: >>J?rgen Exner <jurge...@hotmail.com> wrote: >>> "Dudley Hanks" <dha...@blind-apertures.ca> wrote: >>>>In addition to the gels for my flash, I picked up a cable release for my >>>>Rebel XSi.
>>> A cable release? A real true honest to god cable release? I had no idea >>> that modern cameras even have a socket for them. I thought all remote >>> controls were electronic nowadays.
>>My three most modern cameras all have sockets for a cable shutter >>release, > Really? You really mean like > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:OldCamera_CableRelease.jpg >>which can either take an electric cable with a double action >>switch at the end (for the press and half press) or else a radio >>receiver for a radio controlled shutter release. > Though so. That's not a cable release, that is a remote control/release, > either wired or radio controlled.
In my version of English, which is probably a slightly archaic version of British English, the words wire and cable can apply both to electrically wired connections and physical Bowden cable connections. And any kind of shutter release which involves pressing something distant from the camera body is a remote shutter release, regardless of whether the connection is electrical, pneumatic, infra-red, or whatever.
It's also generally speaking the case that British English is less liable than American English to let usage of common phrases take semantic precedence over the compositional meaning derived from the meanings of the individual words.
Doug Jewell wrote: > Bob Larter wrote: >> Dudley Hanks wrote: >>> I'm guessing this has more than just simple switches as well.
>> The standard Canon DSLR cable-release is two simple leaf-switches.
>>> Nowadays, nobody uses simple mechanics when a circuit can be used to >>> stave off generic copies...
>> Canon uses weird connectors instead... > On the xxD and xD series cameras they do.
Yep. I have a 10D & a 1Dmk2, both of which use the weird 3 pin connector. I wish I could just use a stereo jack & wire up my own release.
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdaj/1317816870/ > is a little circuit that I cobbled together (I can't quite take full > credit for it, as the principle was copied), that I use for timed > control shutter with my old palm pda. With suitable software the same > circuit could be used for PC Control. I originally did that for use with > Pentax, but have since tested with Canon.
No good for me, I'm afraid. If I could get hold of the 1D connectors, I'd jigger up something similar for myself.
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Dudley Hanks wrote: > "Doug Jewell" <a...@and.maybe.ill.tell.you> wrote in message > news:NumdnTLHwfd7p2zXnZ2dnUVZ_rGdnZ2d@westnet.com.au... >> Bob Larter wrote: >>> Dudley Hanks wrote: >>>> I'm guessing this has more than just simple switches as well. >>> The standard Canon DSLR cable-release is two simple leaf-switches.
>>>> Nowadays, nobody uses simple mechanics when a circuit can be used to >>>> stave off generic copies... >>> Canon uses weird connectors instead... >> On the xxD and xD series cameras they do. On the xxxD series it is a >> standard 2.5mm stereo headphone socket. The sleeve is the common, the ring >> is AF Enable and the Tip is Shutter. >> To start AF you simply need to short the ring to the sleeve, and to take a >> photo you short the tip to the sleeve. >> You can use NPN transistors across the terminals for remote controlling. >> Note that if doing this you need to have 2 NPN transistors - one for AF >> enable and one for shutter. You cannot simply connect AF Enable and >> shutter together. If you don't ground AF Enable, it will work on Manual >> Focus IF the camera is set to Manual Focus, but if the camera goes into >> it's half-sleep mode the shutter enable won't wake it.
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdaj/1317816870/ >> is a little circuit that I cobbled together (I can't quite take full >> credit for it, as the principle was copied), that I use for timed control >> shutter with my old palm pda. With suitable software the same circuit >> could be used for PC Control. I originally did that for use with Pentax, >> but have since tested with Canon. >> Both have identical remote control interfaces. >> I am led to believe that xxD and xD cameras can use the same system IF you >> have a suitable plug and can work out the connectors.
>> -- >> What is the difference between a duck?
> This is really quite interesting. It definitely leaves the door wide open > for triggering the camera by remote, and it could help me a lot with my > style of shooting...
If you need a circuit for your camera, I'd be happy to jigger up a design for you.
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