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David Nebenzahl  
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 More options May 9, 11:36 am
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From: David Nebenzahl <nob...@but.us.chickens>
Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 18:36:50 -0700
Local: Fri, May 9 2008 11:36 am
Subject: Wet photography is really dying
Another depressing data point: today I saw an Omega enlarger put out on
the curb on my way home. (A little 35mm one.) Nearly complete.

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conversation with the average voter.

- Attributed to Winston Churchill


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Ken Hart  
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 More options May 9, 1:16 pm
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From: "Ken Hart" <kwha...@verizon.net>
Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 03:16:58 GMT
Local: Fri, May 9 2008 1:16 pm
Subject: Re: Wet photography is really dying

"David Nebenzahl" <nob...@but.us.chickens> wrote in message

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> Another depressing data point: today I saw an Omega enlarger put out on
> the curb on my way home. (A little 35mm one.) Nearly complete.

You picked it up, didn't you?
There's still a few people buying them on eBay.

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David Nebenzahl  
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 More options May 9, 1:33 pm
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From: David Nebenzahl <nob...@but.us.chickens>
Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 20:33:31 -0700
Local: Fri, May 9 2008 1:33 pm
Subject: Re: Wet photography is really dying
On 5/8/2008 8:16 PM Ken Hart spake thus:

> "David Nebenzahl" <nob...@but.us.chickens> wrote in message
> news:4823aa67$0$11202$822641b3@news.adtechcomputers.com...

>> Another depressing data point: today I saw an Omega enlarger put out on
>> the curb on my way home. (A little 35mm one.) Nearly complete.

> You picked it up, didn't you?
> There's still a few people buying them on eBay.

Nah, they're practically worthless. I see them at my favorite
recycled-goods store in Berkeley (Urban Ore) all the time. Used to think
of buying them to sell them, but there's really no market there. (As an
example, speaking of eBay, I got my 5x7 Elwood there--for $9!)

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Pico  
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 More options May 9, 10:35 pm
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From: "Pico" <pico at idrailogid.ten>
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 07:35:49 -0500
Local: Fri, May 9 2008 10:35 pm
Subject: Re: Wet photography is really dying

"David Nebenzahl" <nob...@but.us.chickens> wrote in message

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> Another depressing data point: today I saw an Omega enlarger put out on
> the curb on my way home. (A little 35mm one.) Nearly complete.

So are we, but live it up! They cannot take it away from us.

When I take a walk, I am carefull to not to stop for a moment by someone's
trash for fear that I will be taken.


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Pico  
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 More options May 9, 10:37 pm
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From: "Pico" <pico at idrailogid.ten>
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 07:37:08 -0500
Local: Fri, May 9 2008 10:37 pm
Subject: Re: Wet photography is really dying
"David Nebenzahl" <nob...@but.us.chickens> wrote in message

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> of buying them to sell them, but there's really no market there. (As an
> example, speaking of eBay, I got my 5x7 Elwood there--for $9!)

And I got the 8x10" Saltzman free. Live it up, David!

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Nicholas O. Lindan  
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 More options May 10, 12:28 am
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From: "Nicholas O. Lindan" <s...@sig.com>
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 09:28:53 -0500
Local: Sat, May 10 2008 12:28 am
Subject: Re: Wet photography is really dying
"David Nebenzahl" wrote

> Wet photography is really dying

"He not busy being born
 Is busy dying."  R. Zimmerman

> today I saw an Omega enlarger put out on the curb on my way home.

Compared to how many computers put out for the
trash?

The purpose of existence is to make garbage.

The National Lampoon in 1970(?) proposed a
"Value Subtracted Tax" - A manufacturer would
be taxed 15% of $999,000,000 for reducing $1B of
forest to $1M worth of tacky coffee tables;
Consumers would be taxed 15% of $1,000,000 for
reducing $1M worth of tacky coffee tables to
$0 worth of garbage.

It made a lot of sense to me...

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Darkroom Automation: F-Stop Timers, Enlarging Meters
http://www.darkroomautomation.com/index2.htm
n o lindan at ix dot netcom dot com


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Pico  
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 More options May 10, 1:54 am
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From: "Pico" <pico at idrailogid.ten>
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 10:54:31 -0500
Local: Sat, May 10 2008 1:54 am
Subject: Re: Wet photography is really dying
"Nicholas O. Lindan" <s...@sig.com> wrote in message
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> The National Lampoon in 1970(?) proposed a
> "Value Subtracted Tax" - A manufacturer would
> be taxed 15% of $999,000,000 for reducing $1B of
> forest to $1M worth of tacky coffee tables;
> Consumers would be taxed 15% of $1,000,000 for
> reducing $1M worth of tacky coffee tables to
> $0 worth of garbage.

It came true. The Super Fund.

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Ken Nadvornick  
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 More options May 10, 2:29 pm
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From: "Ken Nadvornick" <register.nad...@verizon.net>
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 21:29:15 -0700
Local: Sat, May 10 2008 2:29 pm
Subject: Re: Wet photography is really dying

"David Nebenzahl" wrote:
> Wet photography is really dying

> Another depressing data point: today I saw an Omega enlarger
> put out on the curb on my way home. (A little 35mm one.)  Nearly
> complete.

I suppose it depends on which end of the glass one is trying to drink from...

Today, I have the best darkroom I have ever had.   Finest equipment.  Best
supplies.  Easily handles all formats from half-frame 35mm to 8x10.  Prints
possible from reductions to 20x24.  All b&w, no color - but that's by
preference, not lack of market availability.  Closed loop exposure and
developing systems.  Computerized tempering water faucet.  High quality and
consistent enlarging papers, both graded and variable contrast.  Excellent
developers, stop baths and fixers.  (Homebrew, in my case.)  Easily obtainable
chemicals at reasonable prices, from the most basic to the incredibly
esoteric.  Even a bottle of Rodinal which, if memory serves, has been
continuously manufactured since well before the end of... not last century...
but the century before.  The list goes on and on.  Best ever of everything,
hands down.

Today, I have the best film cameras I have ever had.  Some vintage.  Some
pristine vintage.  Some brand new.  All users, and all used.  And it's
possible today to purchase brand new film camera equipment in all formats.
Small, medium, large, ultra large, panoramic, stereo.  View cameras and field
cameras, 4x5 to 20x24.  35mm rangefinders and SLRs (not many, but there's
still a few new ones out there).  Single and twin lens reflex medium format.
Fixed lens medium format and full-blown, interchangable lens systems.  Both
mechanical and electronic.  Manual focus and autofocus.  It's all there.

Today, I have the best film available in history.  Ilford (bless 'em) for
everything one would ever need in b&w, Fuji (bless 'em) for damn near
everything else color - and some pretty good b&w of their own.  Even Kodak has
recently been spied lurking again in the shadows of the analog back alley.
Slow, medium and high speed films.  Infrared films.  Negative films.  Positive
films.  Hell, I recently even purchased some fresh Kodachrome from a small,
local drug store.  So it's all there.  Just for the asking.  And all the
finest quality since Niépce started this whole mess in 1827.

Sometimes, I think it's worth remembering that the heavy end of the glass
works better on the bottom.

Ken


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Pico  
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 More options May 10, 11:00 pm
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From: "Pico" <pico at idrailogid.ten>
Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 08:00:03 -0500
Local: Sat, May 10 2008 11:00 pm
Subject: Re: Wet photography is really dying
"Ken Nadvornick" <register.nad...@verizon.net> wrote in message

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> I suppose it depends on which end of the glass one is trying to drink
> from...
> [... snip great post ...]

Whether the glass is half-full or half-empty depends upon whether you are
serving or drinking. Today we are drinking from the bottle being emptied by
those moving to digital. It's good.

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Jean-David Beyer  
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 More options May 10, 11:08 pm
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From: Jean-David Beyer <jeandav...@verizon.net>
Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 13:08:18 GMT
Local: Sat, May 10 2008 11:08 pm
Subject: Re: Wet photography is really dying
Pico wrote:
> "Ken Nadvornick" <register.nad...@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:ooidnV9WHfUBubjVnZ2dnUVZ_gSdnZ2d@comcast.com...

>> I suppose it depends on which end of the glass one is trying to drink
>> from...
>> [... snip great post ...]

> Whether the glass is half-full or half-empty depends upon whether you are
> serving or drinking. Today we are drinking from the bottle being emptied by
> those moving to digital. It's good.

Those moving to digital have not enabled Kodak to continue manufacturing
their Elite Fine Art paper, which IMAO was the best paper I ever used.

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dan.c.qu...@att.net  
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 More options May 11, 10:06 am
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From: dan.c.qu...@att.net
Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 17:06:21 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sun, May 11 2008 10:06 am
Subject: Re: Wet photography is really dying
On May 9, 9:29 pm, "Ken Nadvornick" wrote:

> Today, ...

> Today, ...

> Today, ...

> Ken

  Today we have silver gelatin and electronic photography.
  Today we have acoustic and electronic guitars. Dan

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Jean-David Beyer  
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From: Jean-David Beyer <jeandav...@verizon.net>
Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 11:35:08 GMT
Local: Sun, May 11 2008 9:35 pm
Subject: Re: Wet photography is really dying

dan.c.qu...@att.net wrote:
> On May 9, 9:29 pm, "Ken Nadvornick" wrote:
>> Today, ...

>> Today, ...

>> Today, ...

>> Ken

>   Today we have silver gelatin and electronic photography.
>   Today we have acoustic and electronic guitars. Dan

Yesterday, a friend of mine could afford a Gibson guitar.
Today she cannot afford one,

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David Nebenzahl  
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 More options May 12, 6:53 am
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From: David Nebenzahl <nob...@but.us.chickens>
Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 13:53:00 -0700
Subject: Re: Wet photography is really dying