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Matt Clara  
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 More options Oct 26, 2:10 am
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From: "Matt Clara" <n...@myexpense.com>
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 11:10:36 -0400
Local: Mon, Oct 26 2009 2:10 am
Subject: black and white inks for making digital negatives/prints?
I know it's possible to purchase "B&W" inks comprised of black with shades
of gray to replace the Cc,M,Y, cartridges in my old Epson 1270, but I don't
know where to buy inks with a good reputation for this purpose.

Any advice appreciated.

Thanks,
Matt Clara

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Don Schmidt  
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 More options Oct 26, 2:21 am
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From: "Don Schmidt" <Don Engin...@PNB.Retired_1987>
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 08:21:00 -0700
Subject: Re: black and white inks for making digital negatives/prints?
That's a new one to me; my inkjet printer produces shades of gray by the
amount of black it uses to cover the area being printed, no matter how small
the area.
(The white is the paper being printed on)

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Vancouver, USA

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Matt Clara  
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 More options Oct 26, 2:31 am
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From: "Matt Clara" <n...@myexpense.com>
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 11:31:41 -0400
Local: Mon, Oct 26 2009 2:31 am
Subject: Re: black and white inks for making digital negatives/prints?
As an example, I'm thinking about purchasing something from these guys:
http://www.inksupply.com/bwpage.cfm?setMediaCookie=1&the_media_linkID...

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Don Schmidt  
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 More options Oct 26, 2:50 am
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From: "Don Schmidt" <Don Engin...@PNB.Retired_1987>
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 08:50:47 -0700
Local: Mon, Oct 26 2009 2:50 am
Subject: Re: black and white inks for making digital negatives/prints?
'Couldn't get the link to work.

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John Navas  
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 More options Oct 26, 3:00 am
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From: John Navas <spamfilt...@navasgroup.com>
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 09:00:45 -0700
Local: Mon, Oct 26 2009 3:00 am
Subject: Re: black and white inks for making digital negatives/prints?
On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 08:50:47 -0700, "Don Schmidt" <Don
Engin...@PNB.Retired_1987> wrote in
<w5CdnYkRG9NF7nnXnZ2dnUVZ_tCdn...@posted.palinacquisition>:

>'Couldn't get the link to work.

Works fine here.  Check your Internet service.

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it makes you a dSLR owner.
"The single most important component of a camera
is the twelve inches behind it." -Ansel Adams


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John Navas  
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 More options Oct 26, 3:04 am
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From: John Navas <spamfilt...@navasgroup.com>
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 09:04:41 -0700
Local: Mon, Oct 26 2009 3:04 am
Subject: Re: black and white inks for making digital negatives/prints?
On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 08:21:00 -0700, "Don Schmidt" <Don
Engin...@PNB.Retired_1987> wrote in
<A5qdneIb9MpA8XnXnZ2dnUVZ_tydn...@posted.palinacquisition>:

>"Matt Clara" <n...@myexpense.com> wrote in message
>news:VTZEm.288146$cf6.70303@newsfe16.iad...
>>I know it's possible to purchase "B&W" inks comprised of black with shades
>>of gray to replace the Cc,M,Y, cartridges in my old Epson 1270, but I don't
>>know where to buy inks with a good reputation for this purpose.
>That's a new one to me; my inkjet printer produces shades of gray by the
>amount of black it uses to cover the area being printed, no matter how small
>the area.
>(The white is the paper being printed on)

Gray inks produce a much superior result for critical work.
For more information, see
<http://www.normankoren.com/makingfineprints4.html>

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John

Buying a dSLR doesn't make you a photographer,
it makes you a dSLR owner.
"The single most important component of a camera
is the twelve inches behind it." -Ansel Adams


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Better Info  
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 More options Oct 26, 3:12 am
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From: Better Info <bi...@antispam.org>
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 11:12:16 -0500
Local: Mon, Oct 26 2009 3:12 am
Subject: Re: black and white inks for making digital negatives/prints?
On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 11:10:36 -0400, "Matt Clara" <n...@myexpense.com>
wrote:

>I know it's possible to purchase "B&W" inks comprised of black with shades
>of gray to replace the Cc,M,Y, cartridges in my old Epson 1270, but I don't
>know where to buy inks with a good reputation for this purpose.

>Any advice appreciated.

>Thanks,
>Matt Clara

On the very rare occasion when I might have to ask a related question; I
weed-out my news-group printer, supplies, and inks ideas from:

comp.periphs.printers

alt.comp.periphs.printers and the rest of the news-groups this question is
directed to just ain't gonna cut it.

I'd redirect this there for you, but you need the learning experience.
You'll remember better next time. Ye ol' "give fish or teach to fish"
thing.


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Lawrence Akutagawa  
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 More options Oct 26, 3:36 am
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From: "Lawrence Akutagawa" <lakuNOS...@sbcglobal.net>
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 09:36:35 -0700
Local: Mon, Oct 26 2009 3:36 am
Subject: Re: black and white inks for making digital negatives/prints?

"Matt Clara" <n...@myexpense.com> wrote in message

news:VTZEm.288146$cf6.70303@newsfe16.iad...
>I know it's possible to purchase "B&W" inks comprised of black with shades
>of gray to replace the Cc,M,Y, cartridges in my old Epson 1270, but I don't
>know where to buy inks with a good reputation for this purpose.

> Any advice appreciated.
> .

[chuckle]  In the darkroom?  With what developer, pray tell - good old
Dektol?  How about Bromofort?  Perhaps Selectol-Soft to cut down that
contrast?  Or maybe Ilford PQ Universal Paper Developer?  Or even Arista
Liquid Paper Developer?

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 More options Oct 26, 6:08 am
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From: nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid>
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 12:08:44 -0700
Local: Mon, Oct 26 2009 6:08 am
Subject: Re: black and white inks for making digital negatives/prints?
In article <VTZEm.288146$cf6.70...@newsfe16.iad>, Matt Clara

<n...@myexpense.com> wrote:
> I know it's possible to purchase "B&W" inks comprised of black with shades
> of gray to replace the Cc,M,Y, cartridges in my old Epson 1270, but I don't
> know where to buy inks with a good reputation for this purpose.

piezography inks at inkjet mall

<http://shopping.netsuite.com/s.nl/c.362672/.f>


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 More options Oct 26, 6:09 am
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From: nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid>
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 12:09:00 -0700
Subject: Re: black and white inks for making digital negatives/prints?
In article <tgt8e5d1218pb7g6bavnnipaf5mtc9b...@4ax.com>, John Navas

<spamfilt...@navasgroup.com> wrote:
> >'Couldn't get the link to work.

> Works fine here.  Check your Internet service.

it's not his internet service.

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Matt Clara  
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 More options Oct 26, 8:04 am
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From: "Matt Clara" <n...@myexpense.com>
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 17:04:37 -0400
Local: Mon, Oct 26 2009 8:04 am
Subject: Re: black and white inks for making digital negatives/prints?
"Lawrence Akutagawa" <lakuNOS...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message

news:hc1urf$ojc$1@news.eternal-september.org...

> "Matt Clara" <n...@myexpense.com> wrote in message
> news:VTZEm.288146$cf6.70303@newsfe16.iad...
>>I know it's possible to purchase "B&W" inks comprised of black with shades
>>of gray to replace the Cc,M,Y, cartridges in my old Epson 1270, but I
>>don't know where to buy inks with a good reputation for this purpose.

>> Any advice appreciated.
>> .
> [chuckle]  In the darkroom?  With what developer, pray tell - good old
> Dektol?  How about Bromofort?  Perhaps Selectol-Soft to cut down that
> contrast?  Or maybe Ilford PQ Universal Paper Developer?  Or even Arista
> Liquid Paper Developer?

Perhaps if you're too ignorant to understand what it is I'm asking you
should just keep your mouth shut?  Or is running your mouth without any
thought just how you "roll"?

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 More options Oct 26, 11:48 am
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From: dj_nme <dj_...@optusnet.com.au>
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 11:48:27 +1100
Local: Mon, Oct 26 2009 11:48 am
Subject: Re: black and white inks for making digital negatives/prints?

nospam wrote:
> In article <tgt8e5d1218pb7g6bavnnipaf5mtc9b...@4ax.com>, John Navas
> <spamfilt...@navasgroup.com> wrote:

>>> 'Couldn't get the link to work.
>> Works fine here.  Check your Internet service.

> it's not his internet service.

<http://www.inksupply.com/bwpage.cfm?setMediaCookie=1&the_media_linkID...>

It works fine for me as well.
Don Schmidt's problem must be either with his ISP or their upstream
provider.


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 More options Oct 26, 11:53 am
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From: nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid>
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 17:53:43 -0700
Local: Mon, Oct 26 2009 11:53 am
Subject: Re: black and white inks for making digital negatives/prints?
In article <4ae4f1de$0$21852$afc38...@news.optusnet.com.au>, dj_nme

<dj_...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> It works fine for me as well.
> Don Schmidt's problem must be either with his ISP or their upstream
> provider.

it didn't work when i tried it as well as through this useful site:

<http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/>

thus, it would appear to be *their* isp that's flaky.


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 More options Oct 26, 11:58 am
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From: Miles Bader <mi...@gnu.org>
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 09:58:29 +0900
Local: Mon, Oct 26 2009 11:58 am
Subject: Re: black and white inks for making digital negatives/prints?

dj_nme <dj_...@optusnet.com.au> writes:
>>>> 'Couldn't get the link to work.
>>> Works fine here.  Check your Internet service.

>> it's not his internet service.

> <http://www.inksupply.com/bwpage.cfm?setMediaCookie=1&the_media_linkID...>

> It works fine for me as well.
> Don Schmidt's problem must be either with his ISP or their upstream
> provider.

Doesn't seem to work here either ("Connection timed out").

Perhaps the site server is on a computer they turn off after work... :/

-Miles

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Thor Lancelot Simon  
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 More options Oct 26, 12:52 pm
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From: t...@panix.com (Thor Lancelot Simon)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 01:52:54 +0000 (UTC)
Local: Mon, Oct 26 2009 12:52 pm
Subject: Re: black and white inks for making digital negatives/prints?
In article <I33Fm.3493$aD1.2...@newsfe19.iad>,

Perhaps if you're so ignorant or clueless that you can't tell you're
posting in the *darkroom* newsgroup, you should cease to do so.

There are newsgroups for digital imaging.  This isn't one of them.  Read
the newsgroup charter, comply with it -- or at least make the most minimal
kind of effort to -- or don't post.  It's really very simple.

Why would you expect other people to help you if you're going to start
out by spitting in their faces?

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Don Schmidt  
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 More options Oct 26, 1:20 pm
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From: "Don Schmidt" <Don Engin...@PNB.Retired_1987>
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 19:20:21 -0700
Local: Mon, Oct 26 2009 1:20 pm
Subject: Re: black and white inks for making digital negatives/prints?
'Tried again using the address in your post; it worked. Must be one of those
mysteries of life.

Take care,

--
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"May your shadow be found in happy places." - Native North American

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Rebecca Ore  
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 More options Oct 26, 2:59 pm
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From: Rebecca Ore <macogoe...@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 23:59:58 -0400
Local: Mon, Oct 26 2009 2:59 pm
Subject: Re: black and white inks for making digital negatives/prints?
In article <I33Fm.3493$aD1.2...@newsfe19.iad>,
 "Matt Clara" <n...@myexpense.com> wrote:

There's a digital usenet group.  This group tends to be more photo
darkroom, as in film and such.  If you want a question about hybrid
processes, there's also a hybrid photo forum.

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Lawrence Akutagawa  
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 More options Oct 26, 4:54 pm
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From: "Lawrence Akutagawa" <lakuNOS...@sbcglobal.net>
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 22:54:15 -0700
Local: Mon, Oct 26 2009 4:54 pm
Subject: Re: black and white inks for making digital negatives/prints?

"Matt Clara" <n...@myexpense.com> wrote in message

news:I33Fm.3493$aD1.2931@newsfe19.iad...

tsk, tsk, tsk...and this from someone who doesn't know a darkroom from a
digital printer!  If you don't responses like mine, then hie thee to digital
world land where you belong and stay there!  Come here to rec.photo.darkroom
with stuff like this and expect more of the same.

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Lew  
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From: Lew <lew1...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 07:27:35 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Tues, Oct 27 2009 1:27 am
Subject: Re: black and white inks for making digital negatives/prints?
Rebecca:
Could you post the full, usenet name of the hybrid group? Thanks.


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David Nebenzahl  
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 More options Oct 27, 5:38 am
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From: David Nebenzahl <nob...@but.us.chickens>
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 10:38:48 -0800
Local: Tues, Oct 27 2009 5:38 am
Subject: Re: black and white inks for making digital negatives/prints?
On 10/25/2009 7:59 PM Rebecca Ore spake thus:

My ISP (Verizon by proxy) doesn't carry any newsgroups with the word
"hybrid" in their title. Perhaps you could provide us the exact name of
this newsgroup?

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Jean-David Beyer  
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From: Jean-David Beyer <jeandav...@verizon.net>
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 18:37:52 -0400
Local: Tues, Oct 27 2009 9:37 am
Subject: Re: black and white inks for making digital negatives/prints?

Have you checked lately? My ISP does not carry any newsgroups at all
anymore. They did not reduce their prices when they cut off the UseNet.

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Rebecca Ore  
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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:11:06 -0400
Local: Tues, Oct 27 2009 10:11 am
Subject: Re: black and white inks for making digital negatives/prints?
In article <4ae5ec03$0$11300$82264...@news.adtechcomputers.com>,
 David Nebenzahl <nob...@but.us.chickens> wrote:

It's on the web, which is far more up-to-date for digital people than a
Usenet film group.

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Rebecca Ore  
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From: Rebecca Ore <macogoe...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:12:41 -0400
Local: Tues, Oct 27 2009 10:12 am
Subject: Re: black and white inks for making digital negatives/prints?
In article
<85332450-669f-4bfc-a67f-da84dc235...@x15g2000vbr.googlegroups.com>,

 Lew <lew1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Rebecca:
> Could you post the full, usenet name of the hybrid group? Thanks.

> > There's a digital usenet group.  This group tends to be more photo
> > darkroom, as in film and such.  If you want a question about hybrid
> > processes, there's also a hybrid photo forum.- Hide quoted text -

http://www.hybridphoto.com/forums/home.php

After all, if you're digital, you're more modern than Usenet.

There is a digital photography group, but I'd have to look at my
killfile to get the full name of that one.


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David Nebenzahl  
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 More options Oct 27, 11:31 am
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From: David Nebenzahl <nob...@but.us.chickens>
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 16:31:47 -0800
Local: Tues, Oct 27 2009 11:31 am
Subject: Re: black and white inks for making digital negatives/prints?
On 10/26/2009 2:37 PM Jean-David Beyer spake thus:

> David Nebenzahl wrote:

>> My ISP (Verizon by proxy) doesn't carry any newsgroups with the word
>> "hybrid" in their title. Perhaps you could provide us the exact name of
>> this newsgroup?

> Have you checked lately? My ISP does not carry any newsgroups at all
> anymore. They did not reduce their prices when they cut off the UseNet.

Well, obviously, since I'm posting here!

But yes, I checked just before posting that. I'm actually surprised I
still have Usenet access; Verizon was supposed to have pulled the plug
on that service by now. So I guess I'm just hanging on by a thread.
(When they do, I know there are lots of other providers out there,
including many that are free, like aioe.org.)

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 More options Oct 27, 11:34 am
Newsgroups: rec.photo.darkroom
From: David Nebenzahl <nob...@but.us.chickens>
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 16:34:35 -0800
Local: Tues, Oct 27 2009 11:34 am
Subject: Re: black and white inks for making digital negatives/prints?
On 10/26/2009 3:11 PM Rebecca Ore spake thus:

> In article <4ae5ec03$0$11300$82264...@news.adtechcomputers.com>,
> David Nebenzahl <nob...@but.us.chickens> wrote:

>> My ISP (Verizon by proxy) doesn't carry any newsgroups with the word
>> "hybrid" in their title. Perhaps you could provide us the exact name of
>> this newsgroup?

> It's on the web, which is far more up-to-date for digital people than a
> Usenet film group.

Then explain why at least one film newsgroup (rec.photo.equipment.35mm)
has been taken over by digital users? (Of course, they claim that it's
for *them*, since some of their cameras resemble 35mm film cameras.
Bullshit.)

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