> and your staff of totally incompetent economic advisors -- Geithner, > Romer, Summers.
> The unemployment rate has now hit 10.2% -- the highest since Jimmy > Carter's days.
> ** As I predicted it would **
It's going to keep growing as long as Globalist take our jobs to China etc and we are spending our resources/money still in our Country to China etc. Obama didn't start George Bush's Mandate to finish off America. The modern assault started what Carter and his Americans have had it to easy too long. They are going to have to learn to pay a lot more for a lot less. Why do you think a lot of Republicans jumped ship during the last Bush Administration? They were afraid America would rise up.
They couldn't stomach what they had participated in. Globalization is about sharing our wealth, our jobs wit the the third world for the power and wealth of the realitive hand full of Globalist Manipulators and theifs. Globalization is a guise for predation on Americans. We have shared our wealth and jobs now we get to share the third world's poverty. Our Economy cannot survive on printing ever decreasing value paper. Our Economy ill not survive on Credit as it's foundation. That's a sure way to be come tenents of the Globalist and a return to Feudalism where most of the Citizens of Serfs serve the hand full that have taken control of our Banking, our Government and Legislatures. The Global Bankers control us . They even placed themselves first in line ahead of those of us most at risk for the H1N1 vaccine. Without production there are no jobs. Without jobs they are forced to subsist on some kind of welfare. No wealth production means poverty. The problem is that simple. The Globalists counter with ever conceivable lie and use their wealth/used to be ours to maintain their grip. How does it feel to be part of a herd. Why aren't our Elected Represenatives fighting for American jobs, American production and a return of the American Dream? Why do they insist on altering Consumer Protection Laws so that if they give the people something they have to meet the predators something or make the Laws ineffective or even more predatory?
"elmer" <e...@f.udd> wrote in message news:CgXIm.7046$de6.837@newsfe21.iad... > Carl A. in FL wrote: >> and your staff of totally incompetent economic advisors -- Geithner, >> Romer, Summers.
>> The unemployment rate has now hit 10.2% -- the highest since Jimmy >> Carter's days.
>> ** As I predicted it would **
> It's going to keep growing as long as Globalist take our jobs to China etc > and we are spending our resources/money still in our Country to China etc. > Obama didn't start George Bush's Mandate to finish off America. > The modern assault started what Carter and his Americans have had it to > easy too long. They are going to have to learn to pay a lot more for a lot > less. > Why do you think a lot of Republicans jumped ship during the last Bush > Administration? They were afraid America would rise up.
> They couldn't stomach what they had participated in. > Globalization is about sharing our wealth, our jobs wit the the third > world for the power and wealth of the realitive hand full of Globalist > Manipulators and theifs. Globalization is a guise for predation on > Americans. > We have shared our wealth and jobs now we get to share the third world's > poverty. > Our Economy cannot survive on printing ever decreasing value paper. > Our Economy ill not survive on Credit as it's foundation. That's a sure > way to be come tenents of the Globalist and a return to Feudalism where > most of the Citizens of Serfs serve the hand full that have taken control > of our Banking, our Government and Legislatures. The Global Bankers > control us . They even placed themselves first in line ahead of those of > us most at risk for the H1N1 vaccine. > Without production there are no jobs. Without jobs they are forced to > subsist on some kind of welfare. No wealth production means poverty. > The problem is that simple. The Globalists counter with ever conceivable > lie and use their wealth/used to be ours to maintain their grip. > How does it feel to be part of a herd. > Why aren't our Elected Represenatives fighting for American jobs, American > production and a return of the American Dream? > Why do they insist on altering Consumer Protection Laws so that if they > give the people something they have to meet the predators something or > make the Laws ineffective or even more predatory?
I don't know where you get your obsession with "globalism." It's irrational.
If it costs $1.00 to manufacture a widget in some third world country and ship it to where the demand is, then there is no rational excuse for making the widget in a country where the total delivered cost is $10.00.
Our economy cannot and will not survive unless we (a) can compete worldwide, and (b) constantly strive to hone our competitive edges.
We used to have an edge because we could produce more efficiently. We no longer can do that -- thanks the unions. Kiss run-of-the-mill manufacturing goodbye.
We used to have superb higher education that produced the best scientists. We are no longer competitive with such outstanding schools as I.I.T., the Indian Institute of Technology, which is running rings around most of our tech schools -- primarily because our universities are more concerned with political correctness than with teaching the hard stuff. The Chinese are fast catching up, too.
We used to be a world leader in medicine and medical research. The politicians are forcing the pharmaceutical industry out of research and development, and ObamaCare will kill off our leadership in medicine.
Is your solution to erect trade barriers? It's been tried before, and the consequences were the Great Depression, worldwide economic misery, the rise of dictatorships, and WW II.
So stop the irrational "globalism" shit once and for all and instead think about how and where we might develop competitive edges, Hint: educational, economic, and tax policies aimed to "level the playing field and create social justice" aren't going to work. We need incentives, not barriers, to motivate entrepreneurs to be creative. -- CHA in FL http://sky.prohosting.com/chainfl/index.htm
> and your staff of totally incompetent economic advisors -- Geithner, > Romer, Summers.
> The unemployment rate has now hit 10.2% -- the highest since Jimmy > Carter's days.
> ** As I predicted it would **
Never let inconvenient facts stand in your way. Like the fact that employment peaked in December of 2007. Or the fact that both personal income and industrial output peaked early in 2008. Just because the Bush administration laid the groundwork for all of this it doesn't mean they have any responsibility. They were just innocent bystanders, even if the oval office is an odd place for a bystander to be sitting.
Technobarbarian wrote: > "Carl A. in FL" <chai...@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:00700757$0$26890$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com... >> and your staff of totally incompetent economic advisors -- Geithner, >> Romer, Summers.
>> The unemployment rate has now hit 10.2% -- the highest since Jimmy >> Carter's days.
>> ** As I predicted it would **
> Never let inconvenient facts stand in your way. Like the fact that > employment peaked in December of 2007. Or the fact that both personal income > and industrial output peaked early in 2008. Just because the Bush > administration laid the groundwork for all of this it doesn't mean they have > any responsibility. They were just innocent bystanders, even if the oval > office is an odd place for a bystander to be sitting.
It's a little late now to blame Bush for Obama's and the Democrat Congress' incompetence and stupidity. They caused the mortgagee crisis and now unemployment. You don't stimulate economy by printing more money, and giving it away, or by taking over private industry. Obama is either an incompetent fool, or he is destroying out economy to make us dependent on the government. We know that Piglosi has that goal, but besides world wide domination by Islam, nobody is quite sure what the Kenyan village idiot is doing.
>> The unemployment rate has now hit 10.2% -- the highest since Jimmy >> Carter's days.
>> ** As I predicted it would **
> Never let inconvenient facts stand in your way. Like the fact that > employment peaked in December of 2007. Or the fact that both personal > income and industrial output peaked early in 2008. Just because the Bush > administration laid the groundwork for all of this it doesn't mean they > have any responsibility. They were just innocent bystanders, even if the > oval office is an odd place for a bystander to be sitting.
Why didn't you speakup when all this was happening ?
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I did speak up, many times.
But brilliant thinkers like Don Lampson and Bobby Fiction called me a prophet of doom. They and their ilk prevailed, 0bama got in, and now the excrement is hitting the ventilation system.
And I predict the economy will get much worse unless 0bama reverses course. Which he wont. Look at European unemployment levels, taxes, and industrial and economic decline. They are beginning to wake up and trying to get back to sound economic policy, but once socialism takes hold, it's hard to retrain people to not expect the government to take care of them. If we don't clean house in 2010 and 2012, kiss the American Way of Life goodbye. -- CHA in FL http://sky.prohosting.com/chainfl/index.htm
> Why didn't you speakup when all this was happening ?
> ------------------------
> I did speak up, many times.
> But brilliant thinkers like Don Lampson and Bobby Fiction called me a > prophet of doom. They and their ilk prevailed, 0bama got in, and now the > excrement is hitting the ventilation system.
> And I predict the economy will get much worse unless 0bama reverses course. > Which he wont. Look at European unemployment levels, taxes, and industrial > and economic decline. They are beginning to wake up and trying to get back > to sound economic policy, but once socialism takes hold, it's hard to > retrain people to not expect the government to take care of them. If we > don't clean house in 2010 and 2012, kiss the American Way of Life goodbye. > -- > CHA in FLhttp://sky.prohosting.com/chainfl/index.htm
I never thought I would ever agree with you Carl, but I think you may be correct...The Foxs are in the hen house...
I think it might have been better to let the econ. crash....I don't think it would have been as bad as '29, because of the FDIC, ect. programs, but we could get back on solid ground with everything if it had.
I think we need term limits in Congress, also... We need to clean out the carpet baggers every three or four years.
Obama has the wrong people around him just as Bush did..
> > Why didn't you speakup when all this was happening ?
> > ------------------------
> > I did speak up, many times.
> > But brilliant thinkers like Don Lampson and Bobby Fiction called me a > > prophet of doom. They and their ilk prevailed, 0bama got in, and now the > > excrement is hitting the ventilation system.
> > And I predict the economy will get much worse unless 0bama reverses course. > > Which he wont. Look at European unemployment levels, taxes, and industrial > > and economic decline. They are beginning to wake up and trying to get back > > to sound economic policy, but once socialism takes hold, it's hard to > > retrain people to not expect the government to take care of them. If we > > don't clean house in 2010 and 2012, kiss the American Way of Life goodbye. > > -- > > CHA in FLhttp://sky.prohosting.com/chainfl/index.htm
> I never thought I would ever agree with you Carl, but I think > you may be correct...The Foxs are in the hen house...
> I think it might have been better to let the econ. > crash....I don't think it would have been as bad as '29, > because of the FDIC, ect. programs, but we could get > back on solid ground with everything if it had.
> I think we need term limits in Congress, also... > We need to clean out the carpet baggers every > three or four years.
> Obama has the wrong people around him just as Bush did..
> Eddy
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Me thinks you are naive, Eddy. Read my thread here on RORT about what Ben Stein thinks. Are you so naive to think Obama is not the Leader Fox in the hen house?
>> "Carl A. in FL" <chai...@yahoo.com> wrote in message >> news:00700757$0$26890$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com... >>> and your staff of totally incompetent economic advisors -- Geithner, >>> Romer, Summers.
>>> The unemployment rate has now hit 10.2% -- the highest since Jimmy >>> Carter's days.
>>> ** As I predicted it would **
>> Never let inconvenient facts stand in your way. Like the fact that >> employment peaked in December of 2007. Or the fact that both personal >> income and industrial output peaked early in 2008. Just because the Bush >> administration laid the groundwork for all of this it doesn't mean they >> have any responsibility. They were just innocent bystanders, even if the >> oval office is an odd place for a bystander to be sitting.
> LOL - Remember that the shit started hitting the fan once the Dems gained > control of the House...
> Also, refresh my memory... when did Bush promise that putting us into debt > by another $800 Billion would keep unemployment at or below 8%?
> And who has been in office for the last eleven months? GWB???
> Your attempts at blame avoidance are pitiful to behold. > --
LOL, as I say, don't let actual facts get in your way. I've been saying all along that there was plenty of blame to go around. You're the one who has been pointing a single digit since before Obama took office. As Bush had 8 years to screw things up and Obama has had less than a year to straighten them out I'm still inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt despite his many mistakes. At this point none of the dire predictions I've read here have happened. There are no concentration camps, no race riots incited as a pretext to make Obama President for life. So far we haven't even seen the hyper-inflation predicted by the doom and gloom crowd. I note that you haven't converted your holdings to gold to avoid this much predicted event.
In other news I see where the heroine of the common man is searching people to avoid the dangers of cell phones, cameras and recording devices.
Former Alaska governor and 2008 GOP presidential candidate Sarah Palin will be speaking at an event hosted by the group Wisconsin Right to Life this evening.
It is a closed event - which generally means no press. Amid apparent worries that the ex-governor's words will be aired publicly despite that restriction, however, Wisconsin Right to Life and/or Palin's handlers are taking the notion of "closed" to a whole new level.
Check out this list of prohibited items at the event, which was spotted by CBS News Political Director Steve Chaggaris. All bags, by the way, "will be searched":
.No cell phones .No recording devices .No video or still cameras .No laptops .No photos or recording allowed .No literature distribution .No posters or banners .No strollers or car seats .No carry-in food or beverages
Tickets for the event at the Wisconsin Exposition Center outside of Milwaukee, which go for $30, appear to still be available.
There will come a time (just as it did for the once reviled and despised Harry Truman) when the world recognizes the value of character, commitment, consistency, and steadfastedness. GWB deserves a great deal more credit than the people, influenced by the anti-Bush left media, are willing to give him now.
0bama, on the other hand, doesn't have bad advisors - he himself is rotten to the core and bent on destroying the American Way of Life. He is weak, as was Carter, and thereby invites America's enemies to do us harm -- just as the Iranians did when Carter turned out to be a wet noodle, or the Soviets when JFK displayed his immaturity.
Don't be surprised if, during the balance of 0bama's term, Afghanistan is lost for lack of military support, Iran goes nuclear for lack of 0bama courage, and North Korea becomes a major irritant. China will use its financial and military strengths to achieve its Pacific Rim domination and Taiwan goals, and the American media will be preoccupied with praising 0bamaCare while domestic unemployment climbs into the 12% to 15% range.
> Not quite. > Don't be surprised if, during the balance of 0bama's term, Afghanistan is > lost for lack of military support, > -- > CHA in FLhttp://sky.prohosting.com/chainfl/index.htm
Thats another thing that bothers me...
The troops in Afghanistan are just bait for the enemy..
They go out on patrol to take sniper fire and hit EIDs hoping to draw fire so we can attack the enemy with the choppers..
The general wants 40K more troops for what ??
They need more airplanes to bomb shit out of all the places where the enemy stays..That includes Pakistan if thats where they are..Thats where Osama is..
I just believe the war is a money making machine for the "Big Guys"..
I'm beginning to think like Ol' Ron Paul does....
Pick up our marbles and go home...Let them fight it out and then kick the winners ass...
> LOL, as I say, don't let actual facts get in your way. I've been > saying all along that there was plenty of blame to go around. You're the > one who has been pointing a single digit since before Obama took office. > As Bush had 8 years to screw things up and Obama has had less than a year > to straighten them out I'm still inclined to give him the benefit of the > doubt despite his many mistakes. At this point none of the dire > predictions I've read here have happened. There are no concentration > camps, no race riots incited as a pretext to make Obama President for > life. So far we haven't even seen the hyper-inflation predicted by the > doom and gloom crowd. I note that you haven't converted your holdings to > gold to avoid this much predicted event.
Your display of ignorance regarding economics is simply overwhelming. Frankly, there is no point to debating with someone who doesn't recognize the sad facts of how the Dems screwed the pooch. Fannie Mae? Freddy Mac? Redlining? ACORN bullying the banks? All is forgotten when one is as blighted as you are.
And if you think I would be stupid enough to share my investment strategies with, of all people, a failure and ignoramus like you, you really are nuts.
> In other news I see where the heroine of the common man is searching > people to avoid the dangers of cell phones, cameras and recording devices.
> Not quite. > Don't be surprised if, during the balance of 0bama's term, Afghanistan is > lost for lack of military support, > -- > CHA in FLhttp://sky.prohosting.com/chainfl/index.htm
Thats another thing that bothers me...
The troops in Afghanistan are just bait for the enemy..
They go out on patrol to take sniper fire and hit EIDs hoping to draw fire so we can attack the enemy with the choppers..
The general wants 40K more troops for what ??
They need more airplanes to bomb shit out of all the places where the enemy stays..That includes Pakistan if thats where they are..Thats where Osama is..
I just believe the war is a money making machine for the "Big Guys"..
I'm beginning to think like Ol' Ron Paul does....
Pick up our marbles and go home...Let them fight it out and then kick the winners ass...
Eddy
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That may be just slightly difficult to do after the Taliban/Al Queda have won in Pakistan and gained ownership of Pakistan's nuclear arsenal.
Genral Betray-Us figured out the winning strategy for Iraq, I trust his judgment on what's needed in Afghanistan a great deal more than the judgment of such non-experts as Biden or Paul. -- CHA in FL http://sky.prohosting.com/chainfl/index.htm
> And if you think I would be stupid enough to share my investment > strategies with, of all people, a failure and ignoramus like you, you > really are nuts.
LOL, you're a hoot! You already told us your "investment strategy". While your mouth says we're going to hell in a handbasket your dollars say you're betting on America's future by buying and holding mutal funds. I find it almost reassuring that you haven't completely lost your mind.
>> And if you think I would be stupid enough to share my investment >> strategies with, of all people, a failure and ignoramus like you, you >> really are nuts.
> LOL, you're a hoot! You already told us your "investment strategy". > While your mouth says we're going to hell in a handbasket your dollars say > you're betting on America's future by buying and holding mutal funds. I > find it almost reassuring that you haven't completely lost your mind.
> TB
Nice try. FYI, I do not own a single mutual fund share.
Are you sure you understand the economics of owning mutual funds? My guess is that your net worth is too low to even buy a penny stock. -- CHA in FL http://sky.prohosting.com/chainfl/index.htm
> Nice try. FYI, I do not own a single mutual fund share.
You are correct. I got my windbags mixed up. It was "Chuck Norris" telling us how he's betting on America's future with mutual funds while predicting doom and gloom. Looking at that thread I see that LZ is also betting on America while running his mouth in the opposite direction. It's in the Gyrating Stock market thread if anyone cares. Considering all your bragging about how much money you were making without lifting a finger while the stock market was heading up, and your silly talk about your "investment strategy", it looks like your betting on America too and just don't want to admit your wallet is saying something different than you mouth. My bet is on America.
>> Nice try. FYI, I do not own a single mutual fund share.
> You are correct. I got my windbags mixed up. It was "Chuck Norris" > telling us how he's betting on America's future with mutual funds while > predicting doom and gloom. Looking at that thread I see that LZ is also > betting on America while running his mouth in the opposite direction. It's > in the Gyrating Stock market thread if anyone cares. Considering all your > bragging about how much money you were making without lifting a finger while > the stock market was heading up, and your silly talk about your "investment > strategy", it looks like your betting on America too and just don't want to > admit your wallet is saying something different than you mouth. My bet is on > America.
> TB
More bullshit from the pervert. He's probably heavily invested in whips, leather underwear and toys using a lot of batteries. LZ
>>> And if you think I would be stupid enough to share my investment >>> strategies with, of all people, a failure and ignoramus like you, >>> you really are nuts.
>> LOL, you're a hoot! You already told us your "investment >> strategy". While your mouth says we're going to hell in a handbasket >> your dollars say you're betting on America's future by buying and >> holding mutal funds. I find it almost reassuring that you haven't >> completely lost your mind. TB
> Nice try. FYI, I do not own a single mutual fund share.
> Are you sure you understand the economics of owning mutual funds? My > guess is that your net worth is too low to even buy a penny stock.
I know what you mean about Mutuals, as that's what I had pre-meltdown. Now with individual stocks, but I did get back into Mutuals, but not US mutuals, Chinese mutuals! I get sum and din I want sum more. It was that or a real nice 2% CD. Christ, the choices we have in todays investment climate.
> Why didn't you speakup when all this was happening ?
> ------------------------
> I did speak up, many times.
> But brilliant thinkers like Don Lampson and Bobby Fiction called me a > prophet of doom. They and their ilk prevailed, 0bama got in, and now > the excrement is hitting the ventilation system.
> And I predict the economy will get much worse unless 0bama reverses > course. Which he wont. Look at European unemployment levels, taxes, > and industrial and economic decline. They are beginning to wake up > and trying to get back to sound economic policy, but once socialism > takes hold, it's hard to retrain people to not expect the government > to take care of them. If we don't clean house in 2010 and 2012, kiss > the American Way of Life goodbye.
What do ya mean, "kiss the American Way of Life goodbye?" Will all be living the authentic American Way of Life; American Indian style that is. Home on the range will be the new reality, learning how to skin buffalo, the deer and the antelope. Think the American Indians will help us? Hah, couldn't bust em loose from those casinos. -- Frank Howell
Frank Howell wrote: > I know what you mean about Mutuals, as that's what I had pre-meltdown. > Now with individual stocks, but I did get back into Mutuals, but not US > mutuals, Chinese mutuals! I get sum and din I want sum more. > It was that or a real nice 2% CD. Christ, the choices we have in todays > investment climate.
If you make the grade, Pentagon Federal is still paying 4% on long term CDs. (7 years)
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