>>>>> Not quite. >>>>> Don't be surprised if, during the balance of 0bama's term, >>>>> Afghanistan is lost for lack of military support, > -- >>>>> CHA in FLhttp://sky.prohosting.com/chainfl/index.htm >>>> Thats another thing that bothers me...
>>>> The troops in Afghanistan are just bait for the enemy..
>>>> They go out on patrol to take sniper fire and hit EIDs hoping >>>> to draw fire so we can attack the enemy with the choppers..
>>>> The general wants 40K more troops for what ??
>>>> They need more airplanes to bomb shit out of all the places >>>> where the enemy stays..That includes Pakistan if thats >>>> where they are..Thats where Osama is..
>>>> I just believe the war is a money making machine >>>> for the "Big Guys"..
>>>> I'm beginning to think like Ol' Ron Paul does....
>>>> Pick up our marbles and go home...Let them >>>> fight it out and then kick the winners ass... >>> That is the way I see it.
>>> mike
>>>> Eddy
>> Or as Patrick Buchanan says "Afganistan is where great countries go to die."
>Treating Afghanistan like another Iraq is a big mistake. The problem is >walking away from a major investment. >It's not that easy to disengage. >LZ
When you can't tell the good guys from the Bad Guys (Afghanistan) you need to bomb them into oblivion and let God sort it out.
<fphow...@usermail.com> wrote: >Lone Haranguer wrote: >> Frank Howell wrote: >>> I know what you mean about Mutuals, as that's what I had >>> pre-meltdown. Now with individual stocks, but I did get back into >>> Mutuals, but not US mutuals, Chinese mutuals! I get sum and din I >>> want sum more. It was that or a real nice 2% CD. Christ, the choices we >>> have in >>> todays investment climate.
>> If you make the grade, Pentagon Federal is still paying 4% on long >> term CDs. (7 years)
>> Not good but not a gamble either. >> LZ
>Only seven years? Such a deal! Let me see, you invest 100K for 7 years and >get a yield of 132,251.39. Not bad, except for the fact that in 2016 the a >loaf of bread might be $14 and milk $23 a gal or more! There is a gamble >here and that gamble is; will we have ordinary inflation or hyperinflation.
----------------- Frank, that is my concern as well. I do not see how we can avoid hyperinflation.
>>>>>> Not quite. >>>>>> Don't be surprised if, during the balance of 0bama's term, >>>>>> Afghanistan is lost for lack of military support, > -- >>>>>> CHA in FLhttp://sky.prohosting.com/chainfl/index.htm >>>>> Thats another thing that bothers me...
>>>>> The troops in Afghanistan are just bait for the enemy..
>>>>> They go out on patrol to take sniper fire and hit EIDs hoping >>>>> to draw fire so we can attack the enemy with the choppers..
>>>>> The general wants 40K more troops for what ??
>>>>> They need more airplanes to bomb shit out of all the places >>>>> where the enemy stays..That includes Pakistan if thats >>>>> where they are..Thats where Osama is..
>>>>> I just believe the war is a money making machine >>>>> for the "Big Guys"..
>>>>> I'm beginning to think like Ol' Ron Paul does....
>>>>> Pick up our marbles and go home...Let them >>>>> fight it out and then kick the winners ass... >>>> That is the way I see it.
>>>> mike
>>>>> Eddy
>>> Or as Patrick Buchanan says "Afganistan is where great countries go to >>> die."
>>Treating Afghanistan like another Iraq is a big mistake. The problem is >>walking away from a major investment. >>It's not that easy to disengage. >>LZ > When you can't tell the good guys from the Bad Guys (Afghanistan) you > need to bomb them into oblivion and let God sort it out.
>>>>>> Not quite. >>>>>> Don't be surprised if, during the balance of 0bama's term, >>>>>> Afghanistan is lost for lack of military support, > -- >>>>>> CHA in FLhttp://sky.prohosting.com/chainfl/index.htm >>>>> Thats another thing that bothers me...
>>>>> The troops in Afghanistan are just bait for the enemy..
>>>>> They go out on patrol to take sniper fire and hit EIDs hoping >>>>> to draw fire so we can attack the enemy with the choppers..
>>>>> The general wants 40K more troops for what ??
>>>>> They need more airplanes to bomb shit out of all the places >>>>> where the enemy stays..That includes Pakistan if thats >>>>> where they are..Thats where Osama is..
>>>>> I just believe the war is a money making machine >>>>> for the "Big Guys"..
>>>>> I'm beginning to think like Ol' Ron Paul does....
>>>>> Pick up our marbles and go home...Let them >>>>> fight it out and then kick the winners ass... >>>> That is the way I see it.
>>>> mike
>>>>> Eddy >>> Or as Patrick Buchanan says "Afganistan is where great countries go to die."
>> Treating Afghanistan like another Iraq is a big mistake. The problem is >> walking away from a major investment. >> It's not that easy to disengage. >> LZ > When you can't tell the good guys from the Bad Guys (Afghanistan) you > need to bomb them into oblivion and let God sort it out.
> but that is just me.
> mike
With the liberals in power we are far more concerned with our world image than we are in helping the Afghans set up a democracy from scratch.
Hitler used your plan and the world shuddered. Clinton used it in Serbia but our press kept the ugly details from the American people. The rest of the world knows though. The liberals claim the world despised us because of Iraq but it started when we committed the war crimes in Serbia.
Thousands vent anger at Clinton's Greek visit Athens
* Helena Smith in Athens * The Guardian, Saturday 20 November 1999 01.38 GMT
President Bill Clinton flew into Greece last night to face the fury of tens of thousands of demonstrators in what is proving to be his most controversial visit yet to a Nato member state. Protesters fought running street battles with riot police as banks and shops in the heart of Athens were set on fire.
Hostility, tinged with official embarrassment, greeted Mr Clinton from the moment Air Force One touched down from Istanbul where the US leader had been attending the Organisation for Security and Cooperation in Europe summit.
As the president's motorcade swept past posters likening him to Adolf Hitler, anti-American slogans were shouted and teargas canisters were fired to disperse Greece's burgeoning cast of self-proclaimed anarchists. Officials said 7,000 police officers had been seconded to throw up a "wall of protection" around the leader whose visit, originally scheduled to last three days, was shortened to a 24-hour stopover.
Mr Clinton arrived at his hotel to see a banner denouncing him as a "fascist murderer" for the bombing campaign against Yugoslavia.
"He is a symbol of everything that is rotten with America," said Thanassis Pafilis..
****************** Just a sample of how we were viewed by our NATO allies BEFORE Bush came into office.
But you didn't know that because you get all your information from The Huffington Post. LZ
>>>>> The unemployment rate has now hit 10.2% -- the highest since Jimmy >>>>> Carter's days.
>>>>> ** As I predicted it would ** >>>> Never let inconvenient facts stand in your way. Like the fact that >>>> employment peaked in December of 2007. Or the fact that both personal >>>> income and industrial output peaked early in 2008. Just because the Bush >>>> administration laid the groundwork for all of this it doesn't mean they >>>> have any responsibility. They were just innocent bystanders, even if the >>>> oval office is an odd place for a bystander to be sitting.
>>> LOL - Remember that the shit started hitting the fan once the Dems gained >>> control of the House...
>>> Also, refresh my memory... when did Bush promise that putting us into debt >>> by another $800 Billion would keep unemployment at or below 8%?
>>> And who has been in office for the last eleven months? GWB???
>>> Your attempts at blame avoidance are pitiful to behold. >>> -- >> LOL, as I say, don't let actual facts get in your way. I've been saying >> all along that there was plenty of blame to go around. You're the one who >> has been pointing a single digit since before Obama took office. As Bush had >> 8 years to screw things up and Obama has had less than a year to straighten >> them out I'm still inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt despite his >> many mistakes. At this point none of the dire predictions I've read here >> have happened. There are no concentration camps, no race riots incited as a >> pretext to make Obama President for life. So far we haven't even seen the >> hyper-inflation predicted by the doom and gloom crowd. I note that you >> haven't converted your holdings to gold to avoid this much predicted event.
>> In other news I see where the heroine of the common man is searching >> people to avoid the dangers of cell phones, cameras and recording devices.
>> Former Alaska governor and 2008 GOP presidential candidate Sarah Palin will >> be speaking at an event hosted by the group Wisconsin Right to Life this >> evening.
>> It is a closed event - which generally means no press. Amid apparent worries >> that the ex-governor's words will be aired publicly despite that >> restriction, however, Wisconsin Right to Life and/or Palin's handlers are >> taking the notion of "closed" to a whole new level.
>> Check out this list of prohibited items at the event, which was spotted by >> CBS News Political Director Steve Chaggaris. All bags, by the way, "will be >> searched":
>> .No cell phones >> .No recording devices >> .No video or still cameras >> .No laptops >> .No photos or recording allowed >> .No literature distribution >> .No posters or banners >> .No strollers or car seats >> .No carry-in food or beverages
> Kinda like a KKK meeting ------
Or like a presentation of the Dog Whisperer. Most of that list were not allowed at the one we attended in 2006 in OK City.
-- "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." Theodore Roosevelt http://www.bobhatch.com http://www.tdsrvresort.com
Technobarbarian wrote: > "Bruce S" <bruce.sn...@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:00aef3c4$0$6593$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com... >> Mike Hendrix wrote: >>> On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 14:23:59 -0700, "Technobarbarian" >>> <Technobarbarian-ztopz...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> In other news I see where the heroine of the common man is >>>> searching people to avoid the dangers of cell phones, cameras and >>>> recording devices.
>>>> Former Alaska governor and 2008 GOP presidential candidate Sarah >>>> Palin will be speaking at an event hosted by the group Wisconsin >>>> Right to Life this evening.
>>>> It is a closed event - which generally means no press. Amid apparent >>>> worries that the ex-governor's words will be aired publicly despite >>>> that restriction, however, Wisconsin Right to Life and/or Palin's >>>> handlers are taking the notion of "closed" to a whole new level.
>>>> Check out this list of prohibited items at the event, which was >>>> spotted by CBS News Political Director Steve Chaggaris. All bags, by >>>> the way, "will be searched":
>>>> .No cell phones >>>> .No recording devices >>>> .No video or still cameras >>>> .No laptops >>>> .No photos or recording allowed >>>> .No literature distribution >>>> .No posters or banners >>>> .No strollers or car seats >>>> .No carry-in food or beverages >>> Kinda like a KKK meeting ------ >> More accurately like most music concerts.
> I must be going to the wrong concerts. Or maybe I like the wrong > music. We were at a Celtic music concert a couple of weeks ago. We didn't > get any of that, or the metal detectors Palin needs. They did, of course, > remind people to turn off the ringers on their cell phones. Before that it > was Arlo Guthrie. (It was a hoot to see all the bald and graying fans from > another era.) We just showed our tickets and walked right in. I know the > Indians have some restrictions on cameras and recording at the concerts at > their casino here, but they're not searching people and using metal > detectors to enforce them. I've never attended a KKK meeting so I have no > idea what that's like. Maybe Mike can give us some more information.
> TB
I'll also bet that you've never attended a presentation by a person who has had threats on their lives either. That there are metal detectors at the presentation doesn't surprise me. There have been metal detectors at a number of places we've visited in the last few years.
-- "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." Theodore Roosevelt http://www.bobhatch.com http://www.tdsrvresort.com
Bob Hatch wrote: > Mike Hendrix wrote: >> "Technobarbarian" <Technobarbarian-ztopz...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Former Alaska governor and 2008 GOP presidential candidate Sarah >>> Palin will be speaking at an event hosted by the group Wisconsin >>> Right to Life this evening.
>>> It is a closed event - which generally means no press. Amid >>> apparent worries that the ex-governor's words will be aired >>> publicly despite that restriction, however, Wisconsin Right to Life >>> and/or Palin's handlers are taking the notion of "closed" to a >>> whole new level. Check out this list of prohibited items at the event, >>> which was >>> spotted by CBS News Political Director Steve Chaggaris. All bags, >>> by the way, "will be searched":
>>> .No cell phones >>> .No recording devices >>> .No video or still cameras >>> .No laptops >>> .No photos or recording allowed >>> .No literature distribution >>> .No posters or banners >>> .No strollers or car seats >>> .No carry-in food or beverages
>> Kinda like a KKK meeting ------
> Or like a presentation of the Dog Whisperer. Most of that list were > not allowed at the one we attended in 2006 in OK City.
I went to a concert this summer (Sugarland - great show, but could have been longer than 90 minutes), and while I was surprised that they had no problem with cameras, phones, and recording devices, none of the other things on that list would have been permitted. My surprise at the acceptance of cameras and recording devices probably comes from years and years in Vegas, where none of those things are allowed into most concerts. In fact, the use of cameras is routinely banned in casinos, and many areas of casinos also ban the possession of cell phones.
>>>> Nice try. FYI, I do not own a single mutual fund share. >>> You are correct. I got my windbags mixed up. It was "Chuck Norris" >>> telling us how he's betting on America's future with mutual funds while >>> predicting doom and gloom. Looking at that thread I see that LZ is also >>> betting on America while running his mouth in the opposite direction. It's >>> in the Gyrating Stock market thread if anyone cares. Considering all your >>> bragging about how much money you were making without lifting a finger while >>> the stock market was heading up, and your silly talk about your "investment >>> strategy", it looks like your betting on America too and just don't want to >>> admit your wallet is saying something different than you mouth. My bet is on >>> America.
>>> TB
>> I have no clue as to where to place my funds.
>Guns and ammo. >LZ
[Adopting an affected simpering liberal tone], Ohhhhh, not a nasty bullet Euwwwww. It might explode and kill us all oooooohhhh, I'm afraid, oooooooooooo.
--
From earners to yearners. Obamanomics! From makers to takers. Obamanomics!
>>>>> Not quite. >>>>> Don't be surprised if, during the balance of 0bama's term, >>>>> Afghanistan is lost for lack of military support, > -- >>>>> CHA in FLhttp://sky.prohosting.com/chainfl/index.htm >>>> Thats another thing that bothers me...
>>>> The troops in Afghanistan are just bait for the enemy..
>>>> They go out on patrol to take sniper fire and hit EIDs hoping >>>> to draw fire so we can attack the enemy with the choppers..
>>>> The general wants 40K more troops for what ??
>>>> They need more airplanes to bomb shit out of all the places >>>> where the enemy stays..That includes Pakistan if thats >>>> where they are..Thats where Osama is..
>>>> I just believe the war is a money making machine >>>> for the "Big Guys"..
>>>> I'm beginning to think like Ol' Ron Paul does....
>>>> Pick up our marbles and go home...Let them >>>> fight it out and then kick the winners ass... >>> That is the way I see it.
>>> mike
>>>> Eddy
>> Or as Patrick Buchanan says "Afganistan is where great countries go to die."
>Treating Afghanistan like another Iraq is a big mistake. The problem is >walking away from a major investment. >It's not that easy to disengage. >LZ
Or to resurrect an old line, "Dogs do it and get stuck to it..."
--
From earners to yearners. Obamanomics! From makers to takers. Obamanomics!
>>>>> Nice try. FYI, I do not own a single mutual fund share. >>>> You are correct. I got my windbags mixed up. It was "Chuck Norris" >>>> telling us how he's betting on America's future with mutual funds while >>>> predicting doom and gloom. Looking at that thread I see that LZ is also >>>> betting on America while running his mouth in the opposite direction. It's >>>> in the Gyrating Stock market thread if anyone cares. Considering all your >>>> bragging about how much money you were making without lifting a finger while >>>> the stock market was heading up, and your silly talk about your "investment >>>> strategy", it looks like your betting on America too and just don't want to >>>> admit your wallet is saying something different than you mouth. My bet is on >>>> America.
>>>> TB
>>> I have no clue as to where to place my funds. >> Guns and ammo. >> LZ
> [Adopting an affected simpering liberal tone], Ohhhhh, not a nasty > bullet Euwwwww. It might explode and kill us all oooooohhhh, I'm > afraid, oooooooooooo.
I was told recently by a liberal that it is unsafe to keep ammo in my house.... If the house catches fire, I'm endangering the lives of firemen by keeping ammo in the house. I'm caught on the horns of a dilemma. Do I put up a sign telling the firemen to act fast before the ammo starts exploding or to wait for the ammo to explode before beginning operations?
Lone Haranguer wrote: > I was told recently by a liberal that it is unsafe to keep ammo in my > house.... If the house catches fire, I'm endangering the lives of > firemen by keeping ammo in the house. I'm caught on the horns of a > dilemma. Do I put up a sign telling the firemen to act fast before the > ammo starts exploding or to wait for the ammo to explode before > beginning operations?
> What do the former firefighters say? > LZ
I'm not a past, present, or future firefighter, but from 2004: ------------------------------------------------- So I tried it - coffee can, Coleman stove, .22 LR. Three times. 1. Cartridge was laying at the side of the can, tangent. Heat. Pow. Neither the case nor the bullet left the can, but the case dented it.
2. and 3. Cartridge was in the center of the can. Heat. Pow. Case punched a hole in the can and vanished, and bullet stayed in the can. Found a very small dent in the can from the bullet with (3), but nothing with (2). ---------------------------------------------------
On Mon, 09 Nov 2009 11:49:48 -0700, Lone Haranguer
<linus...@gmail.com> wrote: >I was told recently by a liberal that it is unsafe to keep ammo in my >house.... If the house catches fire, I'm endangering the lives of >firemen by keeping ammo in the house. I'm caught on the horns of a >dilemma. Do I put up a sign telling the firemen to act fast before the >ammo starts exploding or to wait for the ammo to explode before >beginning operations?
>What do the former firefighters say? >LZ
Just send all your ammo to me and you can stop worrying about it.
>> I was told recently by a liberal that it is unsafe to keep ammo in my >> house.... If the house catches fire, I'm endangering the lives of >> firemen by keeping ammo in the house. I'm caught on the horns of a >> dilemma. Do I put up a sign telling the firemen to act fast before >> the ammo starts exploding or to wait for the ammo to explode before >> beginning operations?
>> What do the former firefighters say? >> LZ
> I'm not a past, present, or future firefighter, but from 2004: > ------------------------------------------------- > So I tried it - coffee can, Coleman stove, .22 LR. Three times. > 1. Cartridge was laying at the side of the can, tangent. Heat. Pow. > Neither the case nor the bullet left the can, but the case dented it.
> 2. and 3. Cartridge was in the center of the can. Heat. Pow. Case > punched a hole in the can and vanished, and bullet stayed in the can. > Found a very small dent in the can from the bullet with (3), but nothing > with (2).
I recall your "extensive" test since it did not match an experience I had at an early age where the bullet punctured the can and went whizzing into space.
I also recall some F-84s set on fire from bullets exploding in the wings of B-26s parked across the ramp. (API ammo) Kunsan AB, Korea, Dec 1952.
The FBI kept fire trucks from even venturing near the burned remains of the Davidian's building because of the possibility of "cook off" rounds from the Davidian's ammo stockpile. Of course they never tried your experiment before making this decision.
I suggest you repeat your experiment with stacked boxes of .308, 9MM, 22LR (in cartons) and stacked boxes of shotgun shells. 1500 rounds total would be a good starting point. More would be better. At least 5 experiments with witnesses present. LZ
Larry wrote: > On Mon, 09 Nov 2009 11:49:48 -0700, Lone Haranguer > <linus...@gmail.com> wrote: >> I was told recently by a liberal that it is unsafe to keep ammo in my >> house.... If the house catches fire, I'm endangering the lives of >> firemen by keeping ammo in the house. I'm caught on the horns of a >> dilemma. Do I put up a sign telling the firemen to act fast before the >> ammo starts exploding or to wait for the ammo to explode before >> beginning operations?
>> What do the former firefighters say? >> LZ
> Just send all your ammo to me and you can stop worrying about it.
Ammo is heavy and shipping is expensive. Considering what they charge at the local flea market for ammo, I could unload it there at considerable profit.
But I'll keep you in mind; thanks for offering. LZ
> Larry wrote: > > On Mon, 09 Nov 2009 11:49:48 -0700, Lone Haranguer > > <linus...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I was told recently by a liberal that it is unsafe to keep ammo in my > >> house.... If the house catches fire, I'm endangering the lives of > >> firemen by keeping ammo in the house. I'm caught on the horns of a > >> dilemma. Do I put up a sign telling the firemen to act fast before the > >> ammo starts exploding or to wait for the ammo to explode before > >> beginning operations?
> >> What do the former firefighters say? > >> LZ
> > Just send all your ammo to me and you can stop worrying about it.
> Ammo is heavy and shipping is expensive. Considering what they charge > at the local flea market for ammo, I could unload it there at > considerable profit.
> But I'll keep you in mind; thanks for offering. > LZ
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