While I agree that the folks in charge have their collective heads up their ass I do not htink that leaving the matter off the table will help either. As you pointed out, as long as somting mde in China cost $1 here or $10 made here we will continue losing jobs. Stimulus will not fix that unless they push us into hyperinflation. I'm not sure theat will solve it as long as China keeps controlling the value of a dollar there.
> While I agree that the folks in charge have their collective heads up > their ass I do not htink that leaving the matter off the table will > help either. As you pointed out, as long as somting mde in China cost > $1 here or $10 made here we will continue losing jobs. Stimulus will > not fix that unless they push us into hyperinflation. I'm not sure > theat will solve it as long as China keeps controlling the value of a > dollar there.
I was going to say "give entrepreneurs an incentive to create" as I did in a previous post. But that's really not necessary, it's in their nature to want to build and create. All it takes is that the government doesn't give them disincentives such as prohibitive taxation, regulation, mandates and, above all, uncertainty about future government interferences. Until Congress and the POTUS give up on their desire to bring us European-style socialism, we will continue on the road to European-style decline, including high taxes, high unemployment, and incentives to not work. -- CHA in FL http://sky.prohosting.com/chainfl/index.htm
>> While I agree that the folks in charge have their collective heads up >> their ass I do not htink that leaving the matter off the table will >> help either. As you pointed out, as long as somting mde in China cost >> $1 here or $10 made here we will continue losing jobs. Stimulus will >> not fix that unless they push us into hyperinflation. I'm not sure >> theat will solve it as long as China keeps controlling the value of a >> dollar there.
>I was going to say "give entrepreneurs an incentive to create" as I did in a >previous post. But that's really not necessary, it's in their nature to >want to build and create. All it takes is that the government doesn't give >them disincentives such as prohibitive taxation, regulation, mandates and, >above all, uncertainty about future government interferences. Until >Congress and the POTUS give up on their desire to bring us European-style >socialism, we will continue on the road to European-style decline, including >high taxes, high unemployment, and incentives to not work.
But is that all bad? I recall the way we were promised 32 hour work weeks and a comfortable lifestyle by now due to increased productivity of semi automated production. Even allowing for the changes in technology we the workers are getting royally screwed by those promises.
Don't get me wrong. People should work to earn their lifestyle. The issue is how much is enough. It seems going from working 40 hours at the local factory to 2x30 hour part time jobs to achieve the same level is not progress. This is especially compounded when new automated factories are opened in third world countries.
> But is that all bad? I recall the way we were promised 32 hour work > weeks and a comfortable lifestyle by now due to increased productivity > of semi automated production. Even allowing for the changes in > technology we the workers are getting royally screwed by those > promises.
> Don't get me wrong. People should work to earn their lifestyle. The > issue is how much is enough. It seems going from working 40 hours at > the local factory to 2x30 hour part time jobs to achieve the same > level is not progress. This is especially compounded when new > automated factories are opened in third world countries.
Good grief, man, THINK!
If you work 40 hours/week to make a widget and earn $25/hour plus benefits, then you simply aren't competitive with a fellow somewhere else who makes the same widget, works 60 hours, and charges $5/hour.
The solution isn't to outlaw the other fellow, or to force him to work fewer hours, or to raise him to your pay level.
The solution plain and simple is that you've got to learn to make a widget that he can't make. That's where creativity and entrepreneurship come into the picture.
What is your competitive edge? What can you do that some dummy in a third world country cannot do?
Face it, the local factory that doesn't have a competitive edge is dead. Figure out how you and your employer can do something better than anyone else can. Or go to work for the government, as 0bama wants you to do. -- CHA in FL http://sky.prohosting.com/chainfl/index.htm
>> But is that all bad? I recall the way we were promised 32 hour work >> weeks and a comfortable lifestyle by now due to increased >> productivity of semi automated production. Even allowing for the >> changes in technology we the workers are getting royally screwed by >> those promises.
>> Don't get me wrong. People should work to earn their lifestyle. The >> issue is how much is enough. It seems going from working 40 hours at >> the local factory to 2x30 hour part time jobs to achieve the same >> level is not progress. This is especially compounded when new >> automated factories are opened in third world countries.
> Good grief, man, THINK!
> If you work 40 hours/week to make a widget and earn $25/hour plus > benefits, then you simply aren't competitive with a fellow somewhere > else who makes the same widget, works 60 hours, and charges $5/hour.
> The solution isn't to outlaw the other fellow, or to force him to > work fewer hours, or to raise him to your pay level.
> The solution plain and simple is that you've got to learn to make a > widget that he can't make. That's where creativity and > entrepreneurship come into the picture.
> What is your competitive edge? What can you do that some dummy in a > third world country cannot do?
> Face it, the local factory that doesn't have a competitive edge is > dead. Figure out how you and your employer can do something better > than anyone else can. Or go to work for the government, as 0bama > wants you to do.
Mark just wants to be a well fed house pet. He doesn't mind being a slave as long as someone is taking care of his needs, so that he doesn't have to worry about taking care of himself.
>>> While I agree that the folks in charge have their collective heads >>> up their ass I do not htink that leaving the matter off the table >>> will help either. As you pointed out, as long as somting mde in >>> China cost $1 here or $10 made here we will continue losing jobs. >>> Stimulus will not fix that unless they push us into hyperinflation. >>> I'm not sure theat will solve it as long as China keeps controlling >>> the value of a dollar there.
>> I was going to say "give entrepreneurs an incentive to create" as I >> did in a previous post. But that's really not necessary, it's in >> their nature to want to build and create. All it takes is that the >> government doesn't give them disincentives such as prohibitive >> taxation, regulation, mandates and, above all, uncertainty about >> future government interferences. Until Congress and the POTUS give >> up on their desire to bring us European-style socialism, we will >> continue on the road to European-style decline, including high >> taxes, high unemployment, and incentives to not work.
> But is that all bad? I recall the way we were promised 32 hour work > weeks and a comfortable lifestyle by now due to increased productivity > of semi automated production. Even allowing for the changes in > technology we the workers are getting royally screwed by those > promises.
From the above website we're almost there <g>
And the average hours worked in a week stayed the same at 33.0, which means that millions of Americans working part-time will have to become full-time before employers start hiring new workers.
-- Owen McKenzie Posting from Largo, FL
Limit all US politicians to two terms. One in office and one in prison. Illinois already does this!
>>> But is that all bad? I recall the way we were promised 32 hour work >>> weeks and a comfortable lifestyle by now due to increased >>> productivity of semi automated production. Even allowing for the >>> changes in technology we the workers are getting royally screwed by >>> those promises.
>>> Don't get me wrong. People should work to earn their lifestyle. The >>> issue is how much is enough. It seems going from working 40 hours at >>> the local factory to 2x30 hour part time jobs to achieve the same >>> level is not progress. This is especially compounded when new >>> automated factories are opened in third world countries.
>> Good grief, man, THINK!
>> If you work 40 hours/week to make a widget and earn $25/hour plus >> benefits, then you simply aren't competitive with a fellow somewhere >> else who makes the same widget, works 60 hours, and charges $5/hour.
>> The solution isn't to outlaw the other fellow, or to force him to >> work fewer hours, or to raise him to your pay level.
>> The solution plain and simple is that you've got to learn to make a >> widget that he can't make. That's where creativity and >> entrepreneurship come into the picture.
>> What is your competitive edge? What can you do that some dummy in a >> third world country cannot do?
>> Face it, the local factory that doesn't have a competitive edge is >> dead. Figure out how you and your employer can do something better >> than anyone else can. Or go to work for the government, as 0bama >> wants you to do.
>Mark just wants to be a well fed house pet. He doesn't mind being a slave >as long as someone is taking care of his needs, so that he doesn't have to >worry about taking care of himself.
>Bruce
Considering you seem to have lived off the taxpayer as a public servant of some kind I would be careful about throwing stones at folks who really do something usefull.
>>>> While I agree that the folks in charge have their collective heads >>>> up their ass I do not htink that leaving the matter off the table >>>> will help either. As you pointed out, as long as somting mde in >>>> China cost $1 here or $10 made here we will continue losing jobs. >>>> Stimulus will not fix that unless they push us into hyperinflation. >>>> I'm not sure theat will solve it as long as China keeps controlling >>>> the value of a dollar there.
>>> I was going to say "give entrepreneurs an incentive to create" as I >>> did in a previous post. But that's really not necessary, it's in >>> their nature to want to build and create. All it takes is that the >>> government doesn't give them disincentives such as prohibitive >>> taxation, regulation, mandates and, above all, uncertainty about >>> future government interferences. Until Congress and the POTUS give >>> up on their desire to bring us European-style socialism, we will >>> continue on the road to European-style decline, including high >>> taxes, high unemployment, and incentives to not work.
>> But is that all bad? I recall the way we were promised 32 hour work >> weeks and a comfortable lifestyle by now due to increased productivity >> of semi automated production. Even allowing for the changes in >> technology we the workers are getting royally screwed by those >> promises.
>From the above website we're almost there <g>
>And the average hours worked in a week stayed the same at 33.0, which means >that millions of Americans working part-time will have to become full-time >before employers start hiring new workers.
The interesting possible catch to that is the statistic is that is says the average worker gets 33 hr. I'm not clear whether that is the average per worker or the average per job with the worker working multiple jobs. The latter is one of the mre popular options I see around here. I know I average 45-50 Hr/wk so somebody is getting less than 33. I also know several plants working 32 hr with one day of unemployment pay per worker.
>> But is that all bad? I recall the way we were promised 32 hour work >> weeks and a comfortable lifestyle by now due to increased productivity >> of semi automated production. Even allowing for the changes in >> technology we the workers are getting royally screwed by those >> promises.
>> Don't get me wrong. People should work to earn their lifestyle. The >> issue is how much is enough. It seems going from working 40 hours at >> the local factory to 2x30 hour part time jobs to achieve the same >> level is not progress. This is especially compounded when new >> automated factories are opened in third world countries.
>Good grief, man, THINK!
>If you work 40 hours/week to make a widget and earn $25/hour plus benefits, >then you simply aren't competitive with a fellow somewhere else who makes >the same widget, works 60 hours, and charges $5/hour.
>The solution isn't to outlaw the other fellow, or to force him to work fewer >hours, or to raise him to your pay level.
>The solution plain and simple is that you've got to learn to make a widget >that he can't make. That's where creativity and entrepreneurship come into >the picture.
>What is your competitive edge? What can you do that some dummy in a third >world country cannot do?
That assumes there is something that we can do better than the folks in other countries. Especially when our technology is being transferred as fast as we can do it.
>Face it, the local factory that doesn't have a competitive edge is dead. >Figure out how you and your employer can do something better than anyone >else can. Or go to work for the government, as 0bama wants you to do.
The reason it costs more here is to support the lifestyle we enjoy. there is no competitive technology edge any more. The only thing there is is a choice to either pay folks to do the job here, pay them to stay on welfare, or fight the insurrection.
Actually I am safe until they perfect matter transmission. Then all bet are off. ;-)
> The reason it costs more here is to support the lifestyle we enjoy. > there is no competitive technology edge any more. The only thing > there is is a choice to either pay folks to do the job here, pay them > to stay on welfare, or fight the insurrection.
Call your local university and ask to attend a graduate class on Entrepreneurship. Then find the nearest business incubation center and talk with a few of the people who are active there. You'd be amazed how many individuals are working on projects that would give us competitive edges. Also, ask the professor who teaches the class about barriers and disincentives.
Then check with the school board and get a listing of high school courses being taught and what the math/science scores are. You'll have your answer soon: we are raising a bunch of whiners who can't even read blueprints and who expect 0bamamoney to rain down from heaven.
Visit your local Chamber of Commerce, get a list of businesses with less than 100 employees, and interview a few of the owners about the impact of taxation, regulations, and mandates on their business.
>> The reason it costs more here is to support the lifestyle we enjoy. >> there is no competitive technology edge any more. The only thing >> there is is a choice to either pay folks to do the job here, pay them >> to stay on welfare, or fight the insurrection.
> Call your local university and ask to attend a graduate class on > Entrepreneurship. Then find the nearest business incubation center and > talk with a few of the people who are active there. You'd be amazed how > many individuals are working on projects that would give us competitive > edges. Also, ask the professor who teaches the class about barriers and > disincentives.
> Then check with the school board and get a listing of high school > courses being taught and what the math/science scores are. You'll have > your answer soon: we are raising a bunch of whiners who can't even read > blueprints and who expect 0bamamoney to rain down from heaven.
> Visit your local Chamber of Commerce, get a list of businesses with less > than 100 employees, and interview a few of the owners about the impact > of taxation, regulations, and mandates on their business.
> When you've done all that, then come back here and repeat your idiotic > assertions quoted above.
Obviously Nothermark was struck by the union virus at an early age. The unions teach them that the company owes them jobs for life, fully paid for medical insurance, a fat pension and the right to decide company policy. If the company balks at contract time, the unions usually resort to violence. When the company has reached the saturation point and jobs are shipped overseas, the union acts like their demands had nothing to do with that decision and management is just greedy. Read the union contract demands and you can easily see which is the greedy party. LZ
The REAL driving force in our economy is made up of small business. Teach your grandkids entrepreneurship. We have been Entrepreneurs for 30 years. Still am at 72 years of age. If I was 42 again in this economy I would do the same thing I did 30 years ago. Start my own company and work my ass off. I started out with 3 employees, "Me, myself and I." A used desk, a ratty hand me down file cabinet and one phone with one line after being a Sales Manager for various major corporations.
Carol thought I was nuts and was scared. Within a year she quit her job managing a small manufacturing company and came on board with me to stay.
People today have nothing to lose doing just that. Small Business and Entrepreneurship is what has the best chance of pulling this economy out of the Obama Wet Dream of slogging manure.
It is doubtful the nothermarks of this world have that wherewithal.
Entrepreneurs now need to become the driving force once again as they always are. Big government should be encouraging them rather than their lame attempts to stifle.
One rally cry being, "Lead .....follow....or get the fuck outta the way!"
>>> Carl A. in FL wrote: >>>> "The sooner Democrats stop what they're doing, the faster the private >>>> job market will recover on its own." >>>> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405274870479560457451960247668... >>>> or >>>> http://tinyurl.com/yhnb4k8 >>> So you say there's no hope? >>> -- >>> Frank Howell >> In view of their reaction to the NJ and VA fiascos, 2010 isn't going to do >> it. Perhaps 2012.
>> However, I fear that by then the drones and freeloaders will be so firmly >> entrenched that nothing will dislodge them.
>> I fear that my grandchildren will live in a very different world. >> -- >> CHA in FL > http://sky.prohosting.com/chainfl/index.htm > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Your last two posts are very much on the mark and insightful, Carl.
> The REAL driving force in our economy is made up of small > business. Teach your grandkids entrepreneurship. We have been > Entrepreneurs for 30 years. Still am at 72 years of age. If I was > 42 again in this economy I would do the same thing I did 30 > years ago. Start my own company and work my ass off. > I started out with 3 employees, "Me, myself and I." A used desk, > a ratty hand me down file cabinet and one phone with one line > after being a Sales Manager for various major corporations.
> Carol thought I was nuts and was scared. Within a year she > quit her job managing a small manufacturing company and > came on board with me to stay.
> People today have nothing to lose doing just that. Small Business > and Entrepreneurship is what has the best chance of pulling this > economy out of the Obama Wet Dream of slogging manure.
> It is doubtful the nothermarks of this world have that wherewithal.
> Entrepreneurs now need to become the driving force once again > as they always are. Big government should be encouraging them > rather than their lame attempts to stifle.
> One rally cry being, "Lead .....follow....or get the fuck outta the > way!"
> Jan Eric Orme
You've revealed the difference between entrepreneurs and the union worker who wants security above everything else.
Our pioneers went into the wilderness, facing many risks but willing to face them to make their fortune. The timid ones stayed home and made the tools. LZ
nothermark <notherm...@not.here> writes: >While I agree that the folks in charge have their collective heads up >their ass I do not htink that leaving the matter off the table will >help either. As you pointed out, as long as somting mde in China cost >$1 here or $10 made here we will continue losing jobs. Stimulus will
Once everything is made in China nobody will buy the stuff because nobody in America will have a job to buy the stuff with.
>>While I agree that the folks in charge have their collective heads up >>their ass I do not htink that leaving the matter off the table will >>help either. As you pointed out, as long as somting mde in China cost >>$1 here or $10 made here we will continue losing jobs. Stimulus will
> Once everything is made in China nobody will buy the stuff because nobody > in America will have a job to buy the stuff with.
Not quite. The Chinese will make what they can make cost effectively and ship to markets for a competitive prices.
Our challenge is to make goods so efficiently that the cost, delivered to our markets, will be competitive. For example, it doesn't pay to ship low value bulky stuff that has little labor contents.
Another challenge is to invent stuff, using what ought to be our superior brain resources. Unfortunately, in this age of dumbing down America, our collective brains are shrinking. Atrophy...
A third opportunity is research and development, especially in medicine, pharmacology, and high tech. Unfortunately, 0bama is doing his best to erase whatever strengths we used to have.
In other words, there is nothing inevitable about this, nature/god/fate hasn't condemned us to failure. We, that is to say the drones, parasites, ACORN and welfare types, and the socialist intelligentsia are doing it to ourselves.
But in the end, just as the Berlin Wall fell 20 years ago and just like the USSR disintegrated, the freedom-loving people will prevail. It may not be in America, it may not come for generations, but ultimately the human spirit will not be subjugated to the dictatorship of the proletariat and the socialist dreams of the so-called elite. -- CHA in FL http://sky.prohosting.com/chainfl/index.htm
>> The reason it costs more here is to support the lifestyle we enjoy. >> there is no competitive technology edge any more. The only thing >> there is is a choice to either pay folks to do the job here, pay them >> to stay on welfare, or fight the insurrection.
>Call your local university and ask to attend a graduate class on >Entrepreneurship. Then find the nearest business incubation center and talk >with a few of the people who are active there. You'd be amazed how many >individuals are working on projects that would give us competitive edges. >Also, ask the professor who teaches the class about barriers and >disincentives.
>Then check with the school board and get a listing of high school courses >being taught and what the math/science scores are. You'll have your answer >soon: we are raising a bunch of whiners who can't even read blueprints and >who expect 0bamamoney to rain down from heaven.
>Visit your local Chamber of Commerce, get a list of businesses with less >than 100 employees, and interview a few of the owners about the impact of >taxation, regulations, and mandates on their business.
>When you've done all that, then come back here and repeat your idiotic >assertions quoted above.
Last night I had dinner with an ME working as a school bus driver and an QE working in a maill room. Both are here because they have other obligations.
I listen to a local talk show that routinely uses professors from the University of Rochester and RIT along with various elected officials and folks coming to speak at those institutions. Jobs are a big issue as Kodak, Xerox, and GM are all former big players. The common theme about jobs parallels what I said. If George Eastman was developing the film and camera business now Kodak Park (largest production facility in NY) would have been built someplace in China.
The largest employer here is the U of R with their rmedical and biotech facilities. Half the student body ncluding the grad student researchers are Chinese. Half my customers at Xerox are asian Indian as Xerox is developing a center there. Kodak went to China years ago.
RIT somewhat parallels U of R in communications, computers and mechanical engineering.
The government heads all either say they don't have a clue either, ask the professors, or parrot the mindless drivel about alternative power. FWIW China is already the largest exporter of alternative power equipment. The government is cluesless.
OTOH I will agree with you on one thing. The NEA backed unionized teachers get fat raises every year talking about taking care of the children, our future, while dismissing math and science as no big deal.
As I said, if you ahve any pointers it wold be interesting. I have not been able to find any.
Brian Elfert wrote: > nothermark <notherm...@not.here> writes:
>> While I agree that the folks in charge have their collective heads up >> their ass I do not htink that leaving the matter off the table will >> help either. As you pointed out, as long as somting mde in China cost >> $1 here or $10 made here we will continue losing jobs. Stimulus will
> Once everything is made in China nobody will buy the stuff because nobody > in America will have a job to buy the stuff with.
And those who shopped for bargains at Walmart were the ones who set the trend. LZ
>>> While I agree that the folks in charge have their collective heads up >>> their ass I do not htink that leaving the matter off the table will >>> help either. As you pointed out, as long as somting mde in China cost >>> $1 here or $10 made here we will continue losing jobs. Stimulus will
>> Once everything is made in China nobody will buy the stuff because nobody >> in America will have a job to buy the stuff with.
> Not quite. The Chinese will make what they can make cost effectively > and ship to markets for a competitive prices.
> Our challenge is to make goods so efficiently that the cost, delivered > to our markets, will be competitive. For example, it doesn't pay to > ship low value bulky stuff that has little labor contents.
> Another challenge is to invent stuff, using what ought to be our > superior brain resources. Unfortunately, in this age of dumbing down > America, our collective brains are shrinking. Atrophy...
> A third opportunity is research and development, especially in medicine, > pharmacology, and high tech. Unfortunately, 0bama is doing his best to > erase whatever strengths we used to have.
> In other words, there is nothing inevitable about this, nature/god/fate > hasn't condemned us to failure. We, that is to say the drones, > parasites, ACORN and welfare types, and the socialist intelligentsia are > doing it to ourselves.
> But in the end, just as the Berlin Wall fell 20 years ago and just like > the USSR disintegrated, the freedom-loving people will prevail. It may > not be in America, it may not come for generations, but ultimately the > human spirit will not be subjugated to the dictatorship of the > proletariat and the socialist dreams of the so-called elite.
Ignorance is the reason we go through these cycles. The Russian peasant thought they rid themselves of their masters only to exchange them for ones that were far worse. LZ
>> In view of their reaction to the NJ and VA fiascos, 2010 isn't going to do >> it. ?Perhaps 2012.
>> However, I fear that by then the drones and freeloaders will be so firmly >> entrenched that nothing will dislodge them.
>> I fear that my grandchildren will live in a very different world. >> -- >> CHA in FL >http://sky.prohosting.com/chainfl/index.htm >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Your last two posts are very much on the mark and insightful, Carl.
>The REAL driving force in our economy is made up of small >business. Teach your grandkids entrepreneurship. We have been >Entrepreneurs for 30 years. Still am at 72 years of age. If I was >42 again in this economy I would do the same thing I did 30 >years ago. Start my own company and work my ass off. >I started out with 3 employees, "Me, myself and I." A used desk, >a ratty hand me down file cabinet and one phone with one line >after being a Sales Manager for various major corporations.
>Carol thought I was nuts and was scared. Within a year she >quit her job managing a small manufacturing company and >came on board with me to stay.
>People today have nothing to lose doing just that. Small Business >and Entrepreneurship is what has the best chance of pulling this >economy out of the Obama Wet Dream of slogging manure.
>It is doubtful the nothermarks of this world have that wherewithal.
>Entrepreneurs now need to become the driving force once again >as they always are. Big government should be encouraging them >rather than their lame attempts to stifle.
>One rally cry being, "Lead .....follow....or get the fuck outta the >way!"
>Jan Eric Orme
Frankly, I am not trying for yet another career. I have a job that was a decent way to ease into retirement when I took it a few years ago. It went well until a couple of newly minted MBA's started educating me about why folks go postal and what is wrong is today's business model. I'll manage for another 18 mo then I plan on a nice long canoe trip and some time to think about what to do next.
My interest is trying to understand what is going on. I deal with a lot of folks like you or LZ that made a good decision and rode it. I'm curious about where the next good move is. I do not see one. I do not even see a hint of one. Even small business is getting killed as their potential customers are decreasing as the middle class is falling apart, the poor are broke and the rich are worried.
>>>> While I agree that the folks in charge have their collective heads up >>>> their ass I do not htink that leaving the matter off the table will >>>> help either. As you pointed out, as long as somting mde in China cost >>>> $1 here or $10 made here we will continue losing jobs. Stimulus will
>>> Once everything is made in China nobody will buy the stuff because >>> nobody >>> in America will have a job to buy the stuff with.
>> Not quite. The Chinese will make what they can make cost effectively and >> ship to markets for a competitive prices.
>> Our challenge is to make goods so efficiently that the cost, delivered to >> our markets, will be competitive. For example, it doesn't pay to ship >> low value bulky stuff that has little labor contents.
>> Another challenge is to invent stuff, using what ought to be our superior >> brain resources. Unfortunately, in this age of dumbing down America, our >> collective brains are shrinking. Atrophy...
>> A third opportunity is research and development, especially in medicine, >> pharmacology, and high tech. Unfortunately, 0bama is doing his best to >> erase whatever strengths we used to have.
>> In other words, there is nothing inevitable about this, nature/god/fate >> hasn't condemned us to failure. We, that is to say the drones, >> parasites, ACORN and welfare types, and the socialist intelligentsia are >> doing it to ourselves.
>> But in the end, just as the Berlin Wall fell 20 years ago and just like >> the USSR disintegrated, the freedom-loving people will prevail. It may >> not be in America, it may not come for generations, but ultimately the >> human spirit will not be subjugated to the dictatorship of the >> proletariat and the socialist dreams of the so-called elite.
> Ignorance is the reason we go through these cycles. The Russian peasant > thought they rid themselves of their masters only to exchange them for > ones that were far worse. > LZ
And why, do you think, the Liberals are doing such a good job of dumbing down our youth (and those voters who can be fooled?) It's all about perpetuating CONTROL, and they showed their true colors again in Congress yesterday.
> OTOH I will agree with you on one thing. The NEA backed unionized > teachers get fat raises every year talking about taking care of the > children, our future, while dismissing math and science as no big > deal.
I worked in a lab in a tech industry that paid large salaries and great benefits ... About 90% of our PHDs were foreign or maybe first generation. It seems that the Americans we could hire had degrees in social type areas. Then they were concerned with what their degree entitled them to in job status. Some had offices that looked like college dorms. When I had a difficult or complex problem to be solved I generally did not bother with the social types. It will not be long before those jobs go overseas because that is where the talent is. Also the costs overseas are considerable less even for top of the line talent so what are we gonna do ... lets raise the cost of doing business in the US and see if we can even move the corporations overseas....
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