> t...@aerovons.com wrote: > > On Oct 30, 6:36 pm, BLACKPOOLJIMMY <Chippandf...@aol.com> wrote: > >> Did The Beatles ever consider the use of bagpipes as part of their > >> sound?
> >> They were used on McCartney's Mull Of Kintyre:
> >> When my mom (a member of the British War Veterans) passed away, I had > >> a piper play at her funeral....and the instrument makes me tear up > >> whenever I hear it.
> >> Was the idea ever tossed around by George Martin?
> >> Found this little ditty on YouTube: Within You And Without You...on > >> pipes.
> > No, but what's interesting is that George imitates bagpipes in the > > final refrain of "Baby's in Black," ("She thinks of him and so she > > dresses in black..."). Listen as he bends the whammy bar on the > > Tennessean and plays the chords without a 3rd in them, sounding all > > fifths and having a wonderful wink at a set of bagpipes!
> > TH
> I always thought of bagpipes when I heard that too.
When Jumpin' Jack Flash first came out, I thought I was hearing bagpipes in the outro. That was about the same time that the Animals released Sky Pilot, which really did have bagpipes in the instrumental break, though you had to flip the 45 over to the B-side in order to hear them.
> On Nov 1, 2:26 pm, PJ <palejewel...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Oct 30, 6:15 pm, abe slaney <abesla...@yahoo.com> wrote:> On Oct 30, 6:36 pm, BLACKPOOLJIMMY <Chippandf...@aol.com> wrote:
> > It's a strange position
> > > to be in as a musician, but I consider it an honor and take the jobs > > > very seriously.
> > > But I keep it in a completely separate compartment from my Beatle fan/ > > > original musician side.
> > We just had two players at the funeral for my bil's father. It does > > get to you - some kind of primal 'fallen warrior' mournful wail - > > particularly the player that was standing outside the church on a hill > > to call the mourners in. When we parked, we didn't know exactly where > > to go, a little disoriented - and then we heard it and followed.
> Pipes do have the power of marching armies...and the mourned.
> Sorry for the loss.
Thanks. His life was an unusual combination of both Joy and Protestant Rectitude, so that makes it as easy as such things will ever be for his family - except his widow, of course.
> On Nov 1, 11:35 am, BLACKPOOLJIMMY <Chippandf...@aol.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 1, 2:26 pm, PJ <palejewel...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Oct 30, 6:15 pm, abe slaney <abesla...@yahoo.com> wrote:> On Oct 30, 6:36 pm, BLACKPOOLJIMMY <Chippandf...@aol.com> wrote:
> > > It's a strange position
> > > > to be in as a musician, but I consider it an honor and take the jobs > > > > very seriously.
> > > > But I keep it in a completely separate compartment from my Beatle fan/ > > > > original musician side.
> > > We just had two players at the funeral for my bil's father. It does > > > get to you - some kind of primal 'fallen warrior' mournful wail - > > > particularly the player that was standing outside the church on a hill > > > to call the mourners in. When we parked, we didn't know exactly where > > > to go, a little disoriented - and then we heard it and followed.
> > Pipes do have the power of marching armies...and the mourned.
> > Sorry for the loss.
> Thanks. His life was an unusual combination of both Joy and Protestant > Rectitude, so that makes it as easy as such things will ever be for > his family - except his widow, of course.- Hide quoted text -
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Sounds like there were some interesting Thanksgiving dinners.
> On Oct 30, 10:26 pm, "RichL" <rpleav...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > t...@aerovons.com wrote: > > > On Oct 30, 6:36 pm, BLACKPOOLJIMMY <Chippandf...@aol.com> wrote: > > >> Did The Beatles ever consider the use of bagpipes as part of their > > >> sound?
> > >> They were used on McCartney's Mull Of Kintyre:
> > >> When my mom (a member of the British War Veterans) passed away, I had > > >> a piper play at her funeral....and the instrument makes me tear up > > >> whenever I hear it.
> > >> Was the idea ever tossed around by George Martin?
> > >> Found this little ditty on YouTube: Within You And Without You...on > > >> pipes.
> > > No, but what's interesting is that George imitates bagpipes in the > > > final refrain of "Baby's in Black," ("She thinks of him and so she > > > dresses in black..."). Listen as he bends the whammy bar on the > > > Tennessean and plays the chords without a 3rd in them, sounding all > > > fifths and having a wonderful wink at a set of bagpipes!
> > > TH
> > I always thought of bagpipes when I heard that too.
> When Jumpin' Jack Flash first came out, I thought I was hearing > bagpipes in the outro. That was about the same time that the Animals > released Sky Pilot, which really did have bagpipes in the instrumental > break, though you had to flip the 45 over to the B-side in order to > hear them.
t...@aerovons.com wrote: > On Nov 1, 3:35 pm, John Gutglueck <johngutglu...@hotmail.com> wrote: >> On Oct 30, 10:26 pm, "RichL" <rpleav...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> t...@aerovons.com wrote: >>>> On Oct 30, 6:36 pm, BLACKPOOLJIMMY <Chippandf...@aol.com> wrote: >>>>> Did The Beatles ever consider the use of bagpipes as part of their >>>>> sound?
>>>>> They were used on McCartney's Mull Of Kintyre:
>>>>> When my mom (a member of the British War Veterans) passed away, I >>>>> had a piper play at her funeral....and the instrument makes me >>>>> tear up whenever I hear it.
>>>>> Was the idea ever tossed around by George Martin?
>>>>> Found this little ditty on YouTube: Within You And Without >>>>> You...on pipes.
>>>> No, but what's interesting is that George imitates bagpipes in the >>>> final refrain of "Baby's in Black," ("She thinks of him and so she >>>> dresses in black..."). Listen as he bends the whammy bar on the >>>> Tennessean and plays the chords without a 3rd in them, sounding all >>>> fifths and having a wonderful wink at a set of bagpipes!
>>>> TH
>>> I always thought of bagpipes when I heard that too.
>> When Jumpin' Jack Flash first came out, I thought I was hearing >> bagpipes in the outro. That was about the same time that the Animals >> released Sky Pilot, which really did have bagpipes in the >> instrumental break, though you had to flip the 45 over to the B-side >> in order to hear them.
On Nov 1, 2:26 pm, PJ <palejewel...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 30, 6:15 pm, abe slaney <abesla...@yahoo.com> wrote:> On Oct 30, 6:36 pm, BLACKPOOLJIMMY <Chippandf...@aol.com> wrote:
> It's a strange position
> > to be in as a musician, but I consider it an honor and take the jobs > > very seriously.
> > But I keep it in a completely separate compartment from my Beatle fan/ > > original musician side.
> We just had two players at the funeral for my bil's father. It does > get to you - some kind of primal 'fallen warrior' mournful wail - > particularly the player that was standing outside the church on a hill > to call the mourners in. When we parked, we didn't know exactly where > to go, a little disoriented - and then we heard it and followed.
Drones, whether it's a bagpipe or a sitar or a didgiredoo, seem to evoke a primal response in the psyche. I'm not sure why; it just seems to be. That's why "Tomorrow Never Knows"' music works so well with the ersatz scriptural lyric...the droning seems to lend itself to thoughts of life & death. A well-tuned pipe (yes, there's such a thing!) has a churning, out-of-phase quality that is hypnotic in effect. Most pipers you hear are amateurs at best (I include myself) - but there are great pipers just like there are great violinists or pianists, who dedicate their lives to mastering the instrument and who largely remain, unfortunately, unheard by the public. The difference between most pipers you hear in typical street parades and the masters is as large a difference in skill and emotive command as you can imagine on any other instrument.
On Nov 3, 12:44 am, abe slaney <abesla...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Drones, whether it's a bagpipe or a sitar or a didgiredoo, seem to > evoke a primal response in the psyche. I'm not sure why; it just seems > to be. That's why "Tomorrow Never Knows"' music works so well with the > ersatz scriptural lyric...the droning seems to lend itself to thoughts > of life & death. A well-tuned pipe (yes, there's such a thing!) has a > churning, out-of-phase quality that is hypnotic in effect. Most pipers > you hear are amateurs at best (I include myself) - but there are great > pipers just like there are great violinists or pianists, who dedicate > their lives to mastering the instrument and who largely remain, > unfortunately, unheard by the public. The difference between most > pipers you hear in typical street parades and the masters is as large > a difference in skill and emotive command as you can imagine on any > other instrument.
Besides the instruments you have already mentioned, the HURDY GURDY gets to my spirit. My search lead me to medieval music...all those *drones*. With the HG you also get the *clatter* of the keys as they are played...and that special *buzz* that comes from the cranked wheel playing across the strings.
On Nov 1, 12:05 pm, BLACKPOOLJIMMY <Chippandf...@aol.com> wrote:
> Very good cover in my opinion. Give it a listen.
Thanks for the plug Jimmy.
Yeah, that is me playing all the instruments including the pipe. I recorded and mixed that in about three hours, one rainy Friday night about five or six years ago on a Tascam digital four track in the basement of my former house.
I had already started playing House of the Rising Sun as a sort of Cajun waltz on guitar. Then one evening when I was at a conference in Michigan I was practicing pipes out in the parking lot of the hotel and was playing one of my favorite Slow Airs, Leaving Rhu Vaternish, and noticed that rhythmically it sort ot fit the pattern of the way I was playing guitar and singing HotRS. So, when I got back to Arkansas a few days later I worked out an actual pipe part to accompany what I was doing on guitar. I had a washboard, a tambourine, and a triangle amongst my array of instuments, so I just went to work. I tried to sing the vocal in that old-style country bluegrass manner, sort of like Ralph Stanley. I had a couple of other tracks, but lost them somehow before I started mixing. There was a harmony vocal, and some other percussion I think. But it came out okay, so I just went with it. I play with the Lyon College Pipe Band, and we actually performed this live a couple of times with me on guitar and vocal, a guy named Tristen Dean playing the pipe part on a set of Highland Circus Fairylore smallpipes, and several of our drummers playing the various percussion.
Bagpipes get a lot of grief, but a a well-tuned pipe in the hands of someone that knows what they are doing is really just magnificent. Man, you cannot beat Jimmy Bell playing I Got A Kiss of the King's Hand, or The Desperate Battle, or Fair Honey. Well olkay, sometimes Alasdair Gillies or Bruce Gandy or somebody like that can beat him, but they are all incredible pipers. I've also played a couple of duets with pipe organ, and have played twice with symphony orchestras. It can really be something.
As for The Beatles, I know John and Paul both liked pipes because they each specifically say so in the Anthology book. And Paul obviously liked them enough to use them in Mull of Kyntire. And as a side note, that was The Campbelltown Pipe Band on that recording. The Lyon College band appeared with them in a performance at the New York Caledonian Club in NYC, I think in 2004. Man, that was a GREAT party there that night. The Thurso Pipe Band was there as well, and the place was packed because it was the night before the Tartan Day Parade.
> you hear are amateurs at best (I include myself) - but there are great > pipers just like there are great violinists or pianists, who dedicate > their lives to mastering the instrument and who largely remain, > unfortunately, unheard by the public. The difference between most > pipers you hear in typical street parades and the masters is as large > a difference in skill and emotive command as you can imagine on any > other instrument.
You said it all just right Abe. The majority of the public never gets to hear a really good piper. I do not kid when I say that a great bagpipe, in the hands of a great piper, and performing a great tune, can just mesmerize you. I doubt most listeners have ever heard a Piobaireachd, or know the quality of the performance of a great Grade I band like Simon Fraser University, Field Marshall Montgomery, Strathclyde Police, Shotts and Dykehyead, and that lot. Incredible music being made that goes largely unknown by folks outside piping circles (no pun intended, but I'll take one where I can get it). The spiritual properties of the drones definitely go back a LONG way.
On Nov 3, 7:44 am, MikeLawyr2 <Mbuxb...@lowenstein.com> wrote:
> Ok, so bagpipes is another instrument The Beatles never used.
> Add that to banjo (although a banjo effect is clearly implied on Honey > Pie) and bouzouki (although a bouzouki effect is clearly implied on > Girl).
> Mandolin? Didgeridoo? Jews Harp?
Check out some of the Irish session bands that have banjo players picking duets with Uilleann pipes. Killer.
> On Nov 1, 12:05 pm, BLACKPOOLJIMMY <Chippandf...@aol.com> wrote:
> > Very good cover in my opinion. Give it a listen.
> Thanks for the plug Jimmy.
> Yeah, that is me playing all the instruments including the pipe. I > recorded and mixed that in about three hours, one rainy Friday night > about five or six years ago on a Tascam digital four track in the > basement of my former house.
> I had already started playing House of the Rising Sun as a sort of > Cajun waltz on guitar. Then one evening when I was at a conference in > Michigan I was practicing pipes out in the parking lot of the hotel > and was playing one of my favorite Slow Airs, Leaving Rhu Vaternish, > and noticed that rhythmically it sort ot fit the pattern of the way I > was playing guitar and singing HotRS. So, when I got back to Arkansas > a few days later I worked out an actual pipe part to accompany what I > was doing on guitar. I had a washboard, a tambourine, and a triangle > amongst my array of instuments, so I just went to work. I tried to > sing the vocal in that old-style country bluegrass manner, sort of > like Ralph Stanley. I had a couple of other tracks, but lost them > somehow before I started mixing. There was a harmony vocal, and some > other percussion I think. But it came out okay, so I just went with > it.
Nice! Sounds like you wedded the lyrics of the Animals' version to the chords of Woody Guthrie's version (major key rather than minor) with a melody that's all your own.
On Nov 4, 4:58 am, John Gutglueck <johngutglu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Nice! Sounds like you wedded the lyrics of the Animals' version to the > chords of Woody Guthrie's version (major key rather than minor) with a > melody that's all your own.
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Thanks John. Once of these days I'll record my take on Here Comes The Sun and share it with you guys. No bagpipes.
I do quite often play it straight out like George did solo, capoed up, and nice and bright. But I also do this version where I play it in first position, key of D, and slowed way down. Gives the tune and entirely different atmosphere. I like doing both.
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