I don't think the extreme criticism is justified. I'm not a Yoko fan, but I bet that if the critics didn't KNOW who Yoko Ono was their perception would be very different.
It gets pretty difficult to classify music, and I'm certainly no authority, but I don't see this as being much different from what I would call New Wave, except it is more guitar based than synth based.
On Nov 6, 2:44 pm, poisoned rose <prose1...@aol.com> wrote:
> AllaBest <bip_...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > > It sounded musically a bit like a "Rock Lobster" rip off.
> You have the path of influence backwards there, sport.
I'm talking about the "Rock Lobster" RIFF musical RIP OFF. Not the SUPPOSED vocal style "ripoff" that John thought showed how Yoko was supposedly ahead of her time, fella.
>I don't think the extreme criticism is justified. I'm not a Yoko fan, >but I bet that if the critics didn't KNOW who Yoko Ono was their >perception would be very different.
>It gets pretty difficult to classify music, and I'm certainly no >authority, but I don't see this as being much different from what I >would call New Wave, except it is more guitar based than synth based.
Bummer. I can't access it, and I think it's because I'm in Mexico.
> >I don't think the extreme criticism is justified. I'm not a Yoko fan, > >but I bet that if the critics didn't KNOW who Yoko Ono was their > >perception would be very different.
> >It gets pretty difficult to classify music, and I'm certainly no > >authority, but I don't see this as being much different from what I > >would call New Wave, except it is more guitar based than synth based.
> Bummer. I can't access it, and I think it's because I'm in Mexico.
> Maybe it will show up on YouTube soon. > -- > mad
She screeched, howled and had orgasms. The usual Yoko stuff.
Bernie Woodham <birnhamw...@insightbb.com> wrote: > Here's a link to her performance. This is an official link, so > there's no copyright infringement:
> I don't think the extreme criticism is justified. I'm not a Yoko fan, > but I bet that if the critics didn't KNOW who Yoko Ono was their > perception would be very different.
> It gets pretty difficult to classify music, and I'm certainly no > authority, but I don't see this as being much different from what I > would call New Wave, except it is more guitar based than synth based.
That was certifiably awful. Sorry, I know I usually play the Yoko defender here, but that doesn't mean I accept her music blindly. I forced myself to listen to it all, hoping I would "get" some redeeming feature. I didn't.
I did like the guitar player's Jazzmaster, however. And anyone else notice that the bass guy was playing a "Beatle bass"?
poisoned rose wrote: > AllaBest <bip_...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> It sounded musically a bit like a "Rock Lobster" rip off.
> You have the path of influence backwards there, sport.
I think it sounded a bit like a "Rock Lobster" rip off too. It makes no difference if - as the Lennons said - the B52s were influenced by Yoko (although I still haven't seen any compelling evidence of this, I don't doubt it), Yoko could still have "channeled" "Rock Lobster" as easily as she once "channeled" "Making Whoopie"...
> poisoned rose wrote: >> AllaBest <bip_...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>> It sounded musically a bit like a "Rock Lobster" rip off.
>> You have the path of influence backwards there, sport.
> I think it sounded a bit like a "Rock Lobster" rip off too. It makes no > difference if - as the Lennons said - the B52s were influenced by Yoko > (although I still haven't seen any compelling evidence of this, I don't > doubt it),
Is their saying that they were influenced by Yoko compelling enough?
It started with a similar guitar riff, though it's not so unique that Sean couldn't have come up with it independently.
Besides, it's not as though rock isn't filled with similar instances of "borrowed" riffs.
On Nov 6, 8:19 pm, "RichL" <rpleav...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> That was certifiably awful. Sorry, I know I usually play the Yoko > defender here, but that doesn't mean I accept her music blindly. I > forced myself to listen to it all, hoping I would "get" some redeeming > feature. I didn't.
So we must surmise that in the contemporary days of Apple Records, you never listened to those 45s and albums. And you weren't really "there" back then to follow the drama.
> I did like the guitar player's Jazzmaster, however. And anyone else > notice that the bass guy was playing a "Beatle bass"?
The "guitar player"?!? That's Sean Ono Taro Lennon.
Man, RichL, you may be a lover but you ain't no dancer...
Face it. On the deep level Beatles stuff, you're really old school Country. Maybe even using the four string uke chords.
dahldude <dahld...@aol.com> wrote: > On Nov 6, 8:19 pm, "RichL" <rpleav...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> That was certifiably awful. Sorry, I know I usually play the Yoko >> defender here, but that doesn't mean I accept her music blindly. I >> forced myself to listen to it all, hoping I would "get" some >> redeeming feature. I didn't.
> So we must surmise that in the contemporary days of Apple Records, you > never listened to those 45s and albums. And you weren't really "there" > back then to follow the drama.
I listened to Beatles 45s and albums, if that's what you mean. Still got 'em, too, oddly enough.
>> I did like the guitar player's Jazzmaster, however. And anyone else >> notice that the bass guy was playing a "Beatle bass"?
> The "guitar player"?!? That's Sean Ono Taro Lennon.
He *is* the guitar player, isn't he?
> Man, RichL, you may be a lover but you ain't no dancer...
> Face it. On the deep level Beatles stuff, you're really old school > Country. Maybe even using the four string uke chords.
Huh?? The "deep level Beatles stuff"? If you mean the gossip, yeah, I'm really out of it. Sue me.
>>>> It sounded musically a bit like a "Rock Lobster" rip off. >>> You have the path of influence backwards there, sport.
>> I think it sounded a bit like a "Rock Lobster" rip off too. It makes no >> difference if - as the Lennons said - the B52s were influenced by Yoko >> (although I still haven't seen any compelling evidence of this, I don't >> doubt it),
> Is their saying that they were influenced by Yoko compelling enough?
Actually, no... If they had said that "back in the day" maybe so, but the myth has been around for so long now, I imagine (if it is indeed not true) they either believe it themselves, or feel it is convenient to say so. This sort of thing isn't so unusual in the incestuous world of rock and roll PR/legend-making.
> It started with a similar guitar riff, though it's not so unique that Sean > couldn't have come up with it independently.
> Besides, it's not as though rock isn't filled with similar instances of > "borrowed" riffs.
You're right. I didn't say it was a vicious little theft, and/or that someone should be staked to a speeding rhino and run over the white cliffs of Dover for it. But it did sound a bit like "Rock Lobster"...Which is only "bad" because "rock Lobster" is clearly the superior song, and thus there is a suffering by comparison. and it still is irrelevant (to the question of whether or not it WAS a take on "Rock Lobster" or not) that the B-52s were initially influenced by Yoko. You can still "cop one" from your acolytes.
On Nov 6, 10:56 pm, "RichL" <rpleav...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> dahldude <dahld...@aol.com> wrote: > > On Nov 6, 8:19 pm, "RichL" <rpleav...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> That was certifiably awful. Sorry, I know I usually play the Yoko > >> defender here, but that doesn't mean I accept her music blindly. I > >> forced myself to listen to it all, hoping I would "get" some > >> redeeming feature. I didn't.
> > So we must surmise that in the contemporary days of Apple Records, you > > never listened to those 45s and albums. And you weren't really "there" > > back then to follow the drama.
> I listened to Beatles 45s and albums, if that's what you mean. Still > got 'em, too, oddly enough.
Yeah, well, *everyone* has heard the Beatles 45 and albums. I was referring to Apple Records' releases, more towards the Yoko 45s and LPs, and whatever was plopped of hers on a JL 45 or LP. And that's what I was suggesting. There was - for some of us - more than the music of the Beatles - there was a drama - beyond just buying the Beatles music like a casual fan that I suggest you were back then. No matter. Now that we're one step outside the actual point I was making, you've deflected things.
> >> I did like the guitar player's Jazzmaster, however. And anyone else > >> notice that the bass guy was playing a "Beatle bass"?
> > The "guitar player"?!? That's Sean Ono Taro Lennon.
> He *is* the guitar player, isn't he?
Deflecting again. Typing "the guitar player" instead of "Sean" seemed like an obvious labor of ignorance. I see you commented about "Yoko" instead of "the vocalist", but go ahead, play games.
> > Man, RichL, you may be a lover but you ain't no dancer...
> > Face it. On the deep level Beatles stuff, you're really old school > > Country. Maybe even using the four string uke chords.
> Huh?? The "deep level Beatles stuff"? If you mean the gossip, yeah, > I'm really out of it. Sue me.
No need to be a smartass (again). Just observing your confusedness.
> I like the music, period. What's your beef?
Sean was the guitar player. Just setting you stright on the that. Again.
dahldude <dahld...@aol.com> wrote: > On Nov 6, 10:56 pm, "RichL" <rpleav...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> dahldude <dahld...@aol.com> wrote: >>> On Nov 6, 8:19 pm, "RichL" <rpleav...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> That was certifiably awful. Sorry, I know I usually play the Yoko >>>> defender here, but that doesn't mean I accept her music blindly. I >>>> forced myself to listen to it all, hoping I would "get" some >>>> redeeming feature. I didn't.
>>> So we must surmise that in the contemporary days of Apple Records, >>> you never listened to those 45s and albums. And you weren't really >>> "there" back then to follow the drama.
>> I listened to Beatles 45s and albums, if that's what you mean. Still >> got 'em, too, oddly enough.
> Yeah, well, *everyone* has heard the Beatles 45 and albums. > I was referring to Apple Records' releases, more towards the > Yoko 45s and LPs, and whatever was plopped of hers on a > JL 45 or LP. And that's what I was suggesting.
OK, I got that. What you don't seem to get is that one can be a hard-core Beatles aficionado without caring a whit about Yoko's music.
> There was - for some of us - more than the music of the > Beatles - there was a drama - beyond just buying the > Beatles music like a casual fan that I suggest you were back > then. No matter.
"Casual"? Interesting characterization. At least you qualify your comment with "for some of us", although later on you apparently contradict that with your "casual" comment, as if one has to be into the "drama" to qualify as a "true fan". It's like Fatts' comment that one has to hate Yoko to be a "true fan". Nonsense, in both instances.
> Now that we're one step outside the actual point I was making, > you've deflected things.
Oh, please, like I was supposed to get "the actual point" buried in indecipherable comments like "On the deep level Beatles stuff, you're really old school Country. Maybe even using the four string uke chords."
>>>> I did like the guitar player's Jazzmaster, however. And anyone >>>> else notice that the bass guy was playing a "Beatle bass"?
>>> The "guitar player"?!? That's Sean Ono Taro Lennon.
>> He *is* the guitar player, isn't he?
> Deflecting again. Typing "the guitar player" instead of "Sean" > seemed like an obvious labor of ignorance. I see you > commented about "Yoko" instead of "the vocalist", but go > ahead, play games.
Good grief, man. I had read several of the comments in the thread mentioning Sean. From my perspective, it didn't matter that it was Sean in the context of my post. I was commenting on the instrument.
>>> Man, RichL, you may be a lover but you ain't no dancer...
>>> Face it. On the deep level Beatles stuff, you're really old school >>> Country. Maybe even using the four string uke chords.
>> Huh?? The "deep level Beatles stuff"? If you mean the gossip, yeah, >> I'm really out of it. Sue me.
> No need to be a smartass (again). Just observing your confusedness.
You say "you may be a lover but you ain't no dancer" and *I'm* the smartass?
>> I like the music, period. What's your beef?
> Sean was the guitar player. Just setting you stright on the that. > Again.
Wow. My post had two functions: (1) to comment on Yoko's vocals and (2) a casual remark about two of the instruments that I saw in the clip. And you're flogging me because I didn't pay proper homage?
>> Is their saying that they were influenced by Yoko compelling enough?
> Actually, no... If they had said that "back in the day" maybe so, but the > myth has been around for so long now, I imagine (if it is indeed not true) > they either believe it themselves, or feel it is convenient to say so. > This sort of thing isn't so unusual in the incestuous world of rock and > roll PR/legend-making.
It's possible, though I'd say that given the preponderance of evidence that they've been influenced by Yoko (There is a vocal similarity, they've covered "Don't Worry," they've performed with her, they've said both that Yoko influenced them and that they listened to her records before they were famous, the latter being a statement of fact, which is less likely-though not impossible-to be a false memory than something like her influence.), it's more reasonable to assume they had been influenced by her than that they hadn't.
>> It started with a similar guitar riff, though it's not so unique that >> Sean couldn't have come up with it independently.
>> Besides, it's not as though rock isn't filled with similar instances of >> "borrowed" riffs.
> You're right. I didn't say it was a vicious little theft, and/or that > someone should be staked to a speeding rhino and run over the white cliffs > of Dover for it. But it did sound a bit like "Rock Lobster"...Which is > only "bad" because "rock Lobster" is clearly the superior song,
It's the more conventional song. By pop and rock standards, it's the superior song, but that's not what is trying to be. If I were in the mood to listen to one, listening to the other wouldn't work as a substitute. As it is, it's not likely that I'll have a strong desire to listen to either any time soon. Not that I dislike either, I just don't have any strong feelings for them.
> and thus there is a suffering by comparison. and it still is irrelevant > (to the question of whether or not it WAS a take on "Rock Lobster" or not) > that the B-52s were initially influenced by Yoko. You can still "cop one" > from your acolytes.
On Nov 6, 8:21 pm, poisoned rose <prose1...@aol.com> wrote:
> Fattuchus <fattuc...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > She screeched, howled and had orgasms. The usual Yoko stuff.
> Lest anyone take Fatty's pre-written, default review too seriously, let > those who missed the show be advised that Ono's performance did include > abundant lyrics.
Yoko's new song has lyrics? Penned by Ono herself?!? In that case, I simply can't miss it. Why, Yoko's talents as a wordsmith (e.g., "Kiss, kiss, kiss, kiss me love") rival her abilities as a vocalist.
On Nov 6, 9:46 pm, Dale Houstman <d...@skypoint.com> wrote:
> poisoned rose wrote: > > AllaBest <bip_...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >> It sounded musically a bit like a "Rock Lobster" rip off.
> > You have the path of influence backwards there, sport.
> I think it sounded a bit like a "Rock Lobster" rip off too. It makes no > difference if - as the Lennons said - the B52s were influenced by Yoko > (although I still haven't seen any compelling evidence of this, I don't > doubt it), Yoko could still have "channeled" "Rock Lobster" as easily as > she once "channeled" "Making Whoopie"...
> dmh
LOL! The silly notion that the B-52s were "doing Yoko" in "Rock Lobster" is an example of wishful thinking on Lennon's part.
F Parella wrote: > On Nov 6, 9:46 pm, Dale Houstman <d...@skypoint.com> wrote: >> poisoned rose wrote: >>> AllaBest <bip_...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >>>> It sounded musically a bit like a "Rock Lobster" rip off. >>> You have the path of influence backwards there, sport. >> I think it sounded a bit like a "Rock Lobster" rip off too. It makes no >> difference if - as the Lennons said - the B52s were influenced by Yoko >> (although I still haven't seen any compelling evidence of this, I don't >> doubt it), Yoko could still have "channeled" "Rock Lobster" as easily as >> she once "channeled" "Making Whoopie"...
>> dmh
> LOL! The silly notion that the B-52s were "doing Yoko" in "Rock > Lobster" is an example of wishful thinking on Lennon's part.
Well, as I said, I simply don't know the truth. If they say they were now, I suppose it has to carry some evidentiary weight, but it still isn't necessarily all that compelling: memories are fickle things, and maybe they're just being nice. But whatever the truth, the fact is a lot of good and great musicians are and were influenced by mediocre talent. Maybe they did hear some "strangeness" in her singing which gave them an idea as how to proceed vocally, but I still find her material to be lacking in most things I enjoy as "music" - it's neither as conceptually unique and innovative and challenging as - say - John Cage, nor is it as purely energetic and enjoyable as most rock and pop. to me she is almost always trying to impress us with her "wisdom" (which is sheer five and dime philosophizing) and almost daring us to accept her voice as being original and/or interesting. Yma Sumac came before her...
> FParellawrote: > > On Nov 6, 9:46 pm, Dale Houstman <d...@skypoint.com> wrote: > >> poisoned rose wrote: > >>> AllaBest <bip_...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > >>>> It sounded musically a bit like a "Rock Lobster" rip off. > >>> You have the path of influence backwards there, sport. > >> I think it sounded a bit like a "Rock Lobster" rip off too. It makes no > >> difference if - as the Lennons said - the B52s were influenced by Yoko > >> (although I still haven't seen any compelling evidence of this, I don't > >> doubt it), Yoko could still have "channeled" "Rock Lobster" as easily as > >> she once "channeled" "Making Whoopie"...
> >> dmh
> > LOL! The silly notion that the B-52s were "doing Yoko" in "Rock > > Lobster" is an example of wishful thinking on Lennon's part.
> Well, as I said, I simply don't know the truth. If they say they were > now, I suppose it has to carry some evidentiary weight, but it still > isn't necessarily all that compelling: memories are fickle things, and > maybe they're just being nice. But whatever the truth, the fact is a lot > of good and great musicians are and were influenced by mediocre talent. > Maybe they did hear some "strangeness" in her singing which gave them an > idea as how to proceed vocally, but I still find her material to be > lacking in most things I enjoy as "music" - it's neither as conceptually > unique and innovative and challenging as - say - John Cage, nor is it as > purely energetic and enjoyable as most rock and pop. to me she is almost > always trying to impress us with her "wisdom" (which is sheer five and > dime philosophizing) and almost daring us to accept her voice as being > original and/or interesting. Yma Sumac came before her...
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You make a lot of good points. Yma Sumac did not merely come before Ono; Sumac was a genuine talent - one specifically cited by the B-52s in their early interviews as a vocal influence. This was before Ono and her tarot card reader had cooked up Yoko's absurd "I was doing a lot of the punk and new wave stuff a long time ago" fable.
> On Nov 7, 8:56 pm, Dale Houstman <d...@skypoint.com> wrote:
> > FParellawrote: > > > On Nov 6, 9:46 pm, Dale Houstman <d...@skypoint.com> wrote: > > >> poisoned rose wrote: > > >>> AllaBest <bip_...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > > >>>> It sounded musically a bit like a "Rock Lobster" rip off. > > >>> You have the path of influence backwards there, sport. > > >> I think it sounded a bit like a "Rock Lobster" rip off too. It makes no > > >> difference if - as the Lennons said - the B52s were influenced by Yoko > > >> (although I still haven't seen any compelling evidence of this, I don't > > >> doubt it), Yoko could still have "channeled" "Rock Lobster" as easily as > > >> she once "channeled" "Making Whoopie"...
> > >> dmh
> > > LOL! The silly notion that the B-52s were "doing Yoko" in "Rock > > > Lobster" is an example of wishful thinking on Lennon's part.
> > Well, as I said, I simply don't know the truth. If they say they were > > now, I suppose it has to carry some evidentiary weight, but it still > > isn't necessarily all that compelling: memories are fickle things, and > > maybe they're just being nice. But whatever the truth, the fact is a lot > > of good and great musicians are and were influenced by mediocre talent. > > Maybe they did hear some "strangeness" in her singing which gave them an > > idea as how to proceed vocally, but I still find her material to be > > lacking in most things I enjoy as "music" - it's neither as conceptually > > unique and innovative and challenging as - say - John Cage, nor is it as > > purely energetic and enjoyable as most rock and pop. to me she is almost > > always trying to impress us with her "wisdom" (which is sheer five and > > dime philosophizing) and almost daring us to accept her voice as being > > original and/or interesting. Yma Sumac came before her...
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> You make a lot of good points. Yma Sumac did not merely come before > Ono; Sumac was a genuine talent - one specifically cited by the B-52s > in their early interviews as a vocal influence. This was before Ono > and her tarot card reader had cooked up Yoko's absurd "I was doing a > lot of the punk and new wave stuff a long time ago" fable.
> Gosh, seems like we had gone quite a few days without some blowhard > loser attempting the Derisive LOL. Oh well.
> I wonder how many thousand angry, hateful posts FParellawill have to > write before he arouses the concern of Topaz?
I'm not angry or hateful; I just refuse to grovel before Ono's wealth and fame. I'm not going to indulge her absurd pretenses and/or pretend to be enamored by hideous screeching.
BTW, it's been a while since I've seen a variation on the dumb "Yoko's critics are so hateful" routine. Ono herself has written that "Hate is just an awkward way of love." Do you agree with her, PR?
F Parella wrote: > On Nov 7, 8:56 pm, Dale Houstman <d...@skypoint.com> wrote: >> FParellawrote: >>> On Nov 6, 9:46 pm, Dale Houstman <d...@skypoint.com> wrote: >>>> poisoned rose wrote: >>>>> AllaBest <bip_...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >>>>>> It sounded musically a bit like a "Rock Lobster" rip off. >>>>> You have the path of influence backwards there, sport. >>>> I think it sounded a bit like a "Rock Lobster" rip off too. It makes no >>>> difference if - as the Lennons said - the B52s were influenced by Yoko >>>> (although I still haven't seen any compelling evidence of this, I don't >>>> doubt it), Yoko could still have "channeled" "Rock Lobster" as easily as >>>> she once "channeled" "Making Whoopie"... >>>> dmh >>> LOL! The silly notion that the B-52s were "doing Yoko" in "Rock >>> Lobster" is an example of wishful thinking on Lennon's part. >> Well, as I said, I simply don't know the truth. If they say they were >> now, I suppose it has to carry some evidentiary weight, but it still >> isn't necessarily all that compelling: memories are fickle things, and >> maybe they're just being nice. But whatever the truth, the fact is a lot >> of good and great musicians are and were influenced by mediocre talent. >> Maybe they did hear some "strangeness" in her singing which gave them an >> idea as how to proceed vocally, but I still find her material to be >> lacking in most things I enjoy as "music" - it's neither as conceptually >> unique and innovative and challenging as - say - John Cage, nor is it as >> purely energetic and enjoyable as most rock and pop. to me she is almost >> always trying to impress us with her "wisdom" (which is sheer five and >> dime philosophizing) and almost daring us to accept her voice as being >> original and/or interesting. Yma Sumac came before her...
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> You make a lot of good points. Yma Sumac did not merely come before > Ono; Sumac was a genuine talent - one specifically cited by the B-52s > in their early interviews as a vocal influence. This was before Ono > and her tarot card reader had cooked up Yoko's absurd "I was doing a > lot of the punk and new wave stuff a long time ago" fable.
I don't quite enjoy getting into these "I love Yoko/I hate Yoko" discussions, most of which don't take place in the highest sphere of cognition. I have my opinions on her, and her art, and her music, but - as I said - I try (always) to leave just enough "headroom" (critically) so as to account for the possibility I'm missing something, or that something "just ain't for me". She was doing something before anybody else was doing it, and a lot of it is still not being done by anyone else. There could be different reasons for that, of course.
who? wrote: > On Nov 9, 7:57 am, F Parella <f_pare...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> On Nov 7, 8:56 pm, Dale Houstman <d...@skypoint.com> wrote:
>>> FParellawrote: >>>> On Nov 6, 9:46 pm, Dale Houstman <d...@skypoint.com> wrote: >>>>> poisoned rose wrote: >>>>>> AllaBest <bip_...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >>>>>>> It sounded musically a bit like a "Rock Lobster" rip off. >>>>>> You have the path of influence backwards there, sport. >>>>> I think it sounded a bit like a "Rock Lobster" rip off too. It makes no >>>>> difference if - as the Lennons said - the B52s were influenced by Yoko >>>>> (although I still haven't seen any compelling evidence of this, I don't >>>>> doubt it), Yoko could still have "channeled" "Rock Lobster" as easily as >>>>> she once "channeled" "Making Whoopie"... >>>>> dmh >>>> LOL! The silly notion that the B-52s were "doing Yoko" in "Rock >>>> Lobster" is an example of wishful thinking on Lennon's part. >>> Well, as I said, I simply don't know the truth. If they say they were >>> now, I suppose it has to carry some evidentiary weight, but it still >>> isn't necessarily all that compelling: memories are fickle things, and >>> maybe they're just being nice. But whatever the truth, the fact is a lot >>> of good and great musicians are and were influenced by mediocre talent. >>> Maybe they did hear some "strangeness" in her singing which gave them an >>> idea as how to proceed vocally, but I still find her material to be >>> lacking in most things I enjoy as "music" - it's neither as conceptually >>> unique and innovative and challenging as - say - John Cage, nor is it as >>> purely energetic and enjoyable as most rock and pop. to me she is almost >>> always trying to impress us with her "wisdom" (which is sheer five and >>> dime philosophizing) and almost daring us to accept her voice as being >>> original and/or interesting. Yma Sumac came before her... >>> dmh- Hide quoted text - >>> - Show quoted text - >> You make a lot of good points. Yma Sumac did not merely come before >> Ono; Sumac was a genuine talent - one specifically cited by the B-52s >> in their early interviews as a vocal influence. This was before Ono >> and her tarot card reader had cooked up Yoko's absurd "I was doing a >> lot of the punk and new wave stuff a long time ago" fable.
> John is the one who said that to Yoko.
Well, that's what John said. But who really knows what the hell was going on in that confused noggin? He seemed to have been a wildly suggestible person, although he protested the notion. So I don't know.
> BTW, it's been a while since I've seen a variation on the dumb "Yoko's > critics are so hateful" routine. Ono herself has written that "Hate > is just an awkward way of love." Do you agree with her, PR?
I'd say "Hate is just a VERY awkward way of love" at least. As it is, the statement is both silly and utterly useless. Unless you're the sort who would be comforted by thoughts such as "Well, they're beating the hell out of me, and I think they might kill me, but at least I know they love me, if clumsily."
On Nov 7, 1:41 pm, F Parella <f_pare...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Nov 6, 8:21 pm, poisoned rose <prose1...@aol.com> wrote:
> > Fattuchus <fattuc...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > She screeched, howled and had orgasms. The usual Yoko stuff.
> > Lest anyone take Fatty's pre-written, default review too seriously, let > > those who missed the show be advised that Ono's performance did include > > abundant lyrics.
> Yoko's new song has lyrics? Penned by Ono herself?!? In that case, I > simply can't miss it. Why, Yoko's talents as a wordsmith (e.g., > "Kiss, kiss, kiss, kiss me love") rival her abilities as a vocalist.
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