> > > > > > Halfway thru "Here There and Everywhere" by Geoff Emerick and I really > > > > > > like it.
> > > > > > The only mistake I found so far was that he said Brian Epstein died at 37.
> > > > > > Any thoughts on this book? I find it to be one of the better books about > > > > > > the Beatles.
> > > > > > One thing I found out that I never knew was, it was John singing the end > > > > > > part on Yellow Submarine. I always (after 40 plus years of listening to > > > > > > this song) thought it was Paul.
> > > > > > Bob
> > > > > Yes it is a very interesting book, however I find his constant 'bashing' of > > > > > George early in the book a bit much.
> > > > I agree. He also bashes Ringo too much.
> > > > IMO it's an important book to read because it is an honest account > > > > from an insider, but Emerick is clearly McCartney's boy.- Ocultar texto de la cita -
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> > > Why "McCartney's boy"?, that sounds dismisive... cannot he just have > > > liked Paul better, musically and/or personally?.- Hide quoted text -
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> > Sorry for my "sarcasm" . . . Yes, Emerick favored Paul, but based on > > his book, he really, really, really, really favored Paul. He can't > > say enough accolaids. Paul is a "god" to him. Combined with his put > > downs of George and Ringo, it became annoying to me.- Ocultar texto de la cita -
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> Well, he spent a lot of time with them. Maybe he really, really, > really thinks Paul is a far better musician and a far nicer person. > He just must have gotten along very well with him and not with the > others.-
Yes. I think that's true.
He invited Paul and Linda to his wedding and continued to work with Paul after the Beatles split.
> > > > Halfway thru "Here There and Everywhere" by Geoff Emerick and I > > > > really > > > > like it.
> > > > The only mistake I found so far was that he said Brian Epstein died > > > > at 37.
> > > > Any thoughts on this book? I find it to be one of the better books > > > > about > > > > the Beatles.
> > > > One thing I found out that I never knew was, it was John singing the > > > > end > > > > part on Yellow Submarine. I always (after 40 plus years of listening > > > > to > > > > this song) thought it was Paul.
> > > > Bob
> > > Yes it is a very interesting book, however I find his constant > > > 'bashing' of > > > George early in the book a bit much.
> > What did he say about George? I haven't read the book. Thank You.
> > Jeff- Ocultar texto de la cita -
> > - Mostrar texto de la cita -
> I'm pretty sure he means George Martin (just in case you're thinking > about George Harrison). >I can't imagine why he would bash George Martin?
> > > > > Halfway thru "Here There and Everywhere" by Geoff Emerick and I > > > > > really > > > > > like it.
> > > > > The only mistake I found so far was that he said Brian Epstein died > > > > > at 37.
> > > > > Any thoughts on this book? I find it to be one of the better books > > > > > about > > > > > the Beatles.
> > > > > One thing I found out that I never knew was, it was John singing the > > > > > end > > > > > part on Yellow Submarine. I always (after 40 plus years of listening > > > > > to > > > > > this song) thought it was Paul.
> > > > > Bob
> > > > Yes it is a very interesting book, however I find his constant > > > > 'bashing' of > > > > George early in the book a bit much.
> > > What did he say about George? I haven't read the book. Thank You.
> > > Jeff- Ocultar texto de la cita -
> > > - Mostrar texto de la cita -
> > I'm pretty sure he means George Martin (just in case you're thinking > > about George Harrison). > >I can't imagine why he would bash George Martin?
> > > > > Halfway thru "Here There and Everywhere" by Geoff Emerick and I > > > > > really > > > > > like it.
> > > > > The only mistake I found so far was that he said Brian Epstein died > > > > > at 37.
> > > > > Any thoughts on this book? I find it to be one of the better books > > > > > about > > > > > the Beatles.
> > > > > One thing I found out that I never knew was, it was John singing the > > > > > end > > > > > part on Yellow Submarine. I always (after 40 plus years of listening > > > > > to > > > > > this song) thought it was Paul.
> > > > > Bob
> > > > Yes it is a very interesting book, however I find his constant > > > > 'bashing' of > > > > George early in the book a bit much.
> > > What did he say about George? I haven't read the book. Thank You.
> > > Jeff- Ocultar texto de la cita -
> > > - Mostrar texto de la cita -
> > I'm pretty sure he means George Martin (just in case you're thinking > > about George Harrison). > >I can't imagine why he would bash George Martin?
> > > > > > > > > > > > Halfway thru "Here There and Everywhere" by Geoff Emerick and I really > > > > > > > > > > > > like it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > The only mistake I found so far was that he said Brian Epstein died at 37.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Any thoughts on this book? I find it to be one of the better books about > > > > > > > > > > > > the Beatles.
> > > > > > > > > > > > One thing I found out that I never knew was, it was John singing the end > > > > > > > > > > > > part on Yellow Submarine. I always (after 40 plus years of listening to > > > > > > > > > > > > this song) thought it was Paul.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Bob
> > > > > > > > > > > Yes it is a very interesting book, however I find his constant 'bashing' of > > > > > > > > > > > George early in the book a bit much.
> > > > > > > > > > What did he say about George? I haven't read the book. Thank You.
> > > > > > > > > > Jeff- Ocultar texto de la cita -
> > > > > > > > > > - Mostrar texto de la cita -
> > > > > > > > > I'm pretty sure he means George Martin (just in case you're thinking > > > > > > > > > about George Harrison).- Hide quoted text -
> > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -
> > > > > > > > No, he was quite critical of George Harrison. Geoff Emerick did have > > > > > > > > nice things to say by the end of the book, but IIRC in the early parts > > > > > > > > of the book, he repeatedly slams George's personality, guitar playing > > > > > > > > and song writing.
> > > > > > > Is this a new book, and do you have any quotes? Thanks, Fatt
> > > > > > > Jeff- Hide quoted text -
> > > > > > > - Show quoted text -
> > > > > > The book is Here There and Everywhere . . . I don't know what I did > > > > > > with my copy. I don't have it handy.
> > > > > > But if memory serves me right, he referred to George has having a sour > > > > > > personality, called his guitar playing in the studio ham fisted, and > > > > > > had little nice to say about his early song writing efforts. Geoff > > > > > > spoke more favorably of George toward the end of the Beatles, but he > > > > > > clearly was not impressed during the early years.
> > > > > > This book has been discussed quite already at rmb.
> > > > > Well, yeah..but everything pertaining to the Beatles gets > > > > > recycled...over and over again. Maybe they just had > > > > > a personality conflict?
> > > > I think that was probably (a big part) of it.
> > > > I'll bet he said nothing to George
> > > > > at that time. Was the book written after George died? > > > > > If so, that's bullshift.- Ocultar texto de la cita -
> > > > > - Mostrar texto de la cita -
> > > > Why?. Cannot anyone say anything about someone who's dead?.
> > > They can, but it's not nice for them to talk about people like > > > George, when George is no longer around to defend > > > himself. Don't you agree?
> > > Jeff- Hide quoted text -
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> > Geoff Emerick is not making an accusation against George nor > > anything. He's just giving an opinion about him. Nothing wrong with > > that. That doesn't mean his opinion is accurate. He probably didn't > > know him that well anyways.
> That's what I'm saying..but just the fact that he's talking against > George...after he's dead...comes off to me as being a jerk, > just trying to sell a book, when George isn't around to > defend himself. I don't know about you, but I don't think > that highly of Emerick...to even buy the book. I'm not > into gossip, and people just running their mouth.- Ocultar texto de la cita -
> - Mostrar texto de la cita -
But he did know him, he aparently didn't like him much, and he's saying his opinion about him. I really don't see a problem. What would George need to defend himself?, against someone not liking him, saying that he found him to have a sour mood?. It's pretty subjective staff. Geoff, despite not knowing George very well, did know him, and gave his opinion about him. I don't see anything wrong nor would make a judgement of Geoff based on that... of course, nor you nor me have read the book, so we're basing all this of what another person is saying to us about it. Maybe if we'd read it we'd both change our minds.
(Not that it would be necesarily wrong if someone makes an accusation against someone who is no longer alive to defend themselves. It's something that is done in historical writing all the time. Which would lead to a repeated argument in this group...)
>(Not that it would be necesarily wrong if someone makes an accusation >against someone who is no longer alive to defend themselves. It's >something that is done in historical writing all the time. Which >would lead to a repeated argument in this group...)
Under the laws of the Untied Snakes and the UkoGBaNI, you can neither slander or libel the dead. Once someone is dead, you can say he was a mother-raper, father-stabber, father-raper and lots of mean, nasty stuff and there is nothing the dead person can do about it. Nor can anyone sue by proxy for dead people.
This is the shield behind which many a dishonest biographer hides.
Lizz 'Ye shall know the truth and the truth will make ye fret' Holmans
--
Whatever happened to linoleum floors, petroleum jelly and two world wars?
>>(Not that it would be necesarily wrong if someone makes an accusation >>against someone who is no longer alive to defend themselves. It's >>something that is done in historical writing all the time. Which >>would lead to a repeated argument in this group...)
>Under the laws of the Untied Snakes and the UkoGBaNI, you can neither >slander or libel the dead. Once someone is dead, you can say he was a >mother-raper, father-stabber, father-raper and lots of mean, nasty >stuff and there is nothing the dead person can do about it. Nor can >anyone sue by proxy for dead people.
>This is the shield behind which many a dishonest biographer hides.
>Lizz 'Ye shall know the truth and the truth will make ye fret' Holmans
Ah, Ms. Holmans, you are mistaken. Under some circumstances, an estate can sue for defamation if the deceased is libeled or slandered. Texas and Rhode Island immediately come to mind. -- Mack A. "GTA for "Law of the Press" Damia
> On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 12:31:37 -0800 (PST), Crisstti
> >(Not that it would be necesarily wrong if someone makes an accusation > >against someone who is no longer alive to defend themselves. It's > >something that is done in historical writing all the time. Which > >would lead to a repeated argument in this group...)
> Under the laws of the Untied Snakes and the UkoGBaNI, you can neither > slander or libel the dead. Once someone is dead, you can say he was a > mother-raper, father-stabber, father-raper and lots of mean, nasty > stuff and there is nothing the dead person can do about it. Nor can > anyone sue by proxy for dead people.
> This is the shield behind which many a dishonest biographer hides.
> Lizz 'Ye shall know the truth and the truth will make ye fret' Holmans
> --
> Whatever happened to linoleum floors, petroleum jelly and two world wars?
Yeah, for what I understand - independent of which country we're talking about - it's at least very, very difficult.
I guess the community, of historians or biographers of even the community in general, in supossed to judge the reliability of the work. For example, I don't think many people take Goldman's word as far as his biography of John goes.
Of course, that is very probably not good enough, as repeated misinformation will be considered reliable information by many, many people... even if the person in question isn't even dead.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Halfway thru "Here There and Everywhere" by Geoff Emerick and I really > > > > > > > > > > > > > like it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > The only mistake I found so far was that he said Brian Epstein died at 37.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Any thoughts on this book? I find it to be one of the better books about > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Beatles.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > One thing I found out that I never knew was, it was John singing the end > > > > > > > > > > > > > part on Yellow Submarine. I always (after 40 plus years of listening to > > > > > > > > > > > > > this song) thought it was Paul.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bob
> > > > > > > > > > > > Yes it is a very interesting book, however I find his constant 'bashing' of > > > > > > > > > > > > George early in the book a bit much.
> > > > > > > > > > > What did he say about George? I haven't read the book. Thank You.
> > > > > > > > > > > Jeff- Ocultar texto de la cita -
> > > > > > > > > > > - Mostrar texto de la cita -
> > > > > > > > > > I'm pretty sure he means George Martin (just in case you're thinking > > > > > > > > > > about George Harrison).- Hide quoted text -
> > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -
> > > > > > > > > No, he was quite critical of George Harrison. Geoff Emerick did have > > > > > > > > > nice things to say by the end of the book, but IIRC in the early parts > > > > > > > > > of the book, he repeatedly slams George's personality, guitar playing > > > > > > > > > and song writing.
> > > > > > > > Is this a new book, and do you have any quotes? Thanks, Fatt
> > > > > > > > Jeff- Hide quoted text -
> > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -
> > > > > > > The book is Here There and Everywhere . . . I don't know what I did > > > > > > > with my copy. I don't have it handy.
> > > > > > > But if memory serves me right, he referred to George has having a sour > > > > > > > personality, called his guitar playing in the studio ham fisted, and > > > > > > > had little nice to say about his early song writing efforts. Geoff > > > > > > > spoke more favorably of George toward the end of the Beatles, but he > > > > > > > clearly was not impressed during the early years.
> > > > > > > This book has been discussed quite already at rmb.
> > > > > > Well, yeah..but everything pertaining to the Beatles gets > > > > > > recycled...over and over again. Maybe they just had > > > > > > a personality conflict?
> > > > > I think that was probably (a big part) of it.
> > > > > I'll bet he said nothing to George
> > > > > > at that time. Was the book written after George died? > > > > > > If so, that's bullshift.- Ocultar texto de la cita -
> > > > > > - Mostrar texto de la cita -
> > > > > Why?. Cannot anyone say anything about someone who's dead?.
> > > > They can, but it's not nice for them to talk about people like > > > > George, when George is no longer around to defend > > > > himself. Don't you agree?
> > > > Jeff- Hide quoted text -
> > > > - Show quoted text -
> > > Geoff Emerick is not making an accusation against George nor > > > anything. He's just giving an opinion about him. Nothing wrong with > > > that. That doesn't mean his opinion is accurate. He probably didn't > > > know him that well anyways.
> > That's what I'm saying..but just the fact that he's talking against > > George...after he's dead...comes off to me as being a jerk, > > just trying to sell a book, when George isn't around to > > defend himself. I don't know about you, but I don't think > > that highly of Emerick...to even buy the book. I'm not > > into gossip, and people just running their mouth.- Ocultar texto de la cita -
> > - Mostrar texto de la cita -
> But he did know him, he aparently didn't like him much, and he's > saying his opinion about him. I really don't see a problem. What > would George need to defend himself?, against someone not liking him, > saying that he found him to have a sour mood?. It's pretty subjective > staff. Geoff, despite not knowing George very well, did know him, and > gave his opinion about him. I don't see anything wrong nor would make > a judgement of Geoff based on that... of course, nor you nor me have > read the book, so we're basing all this of what another person is > saying to us about it. Maybe if we'd read it we'd both change our > minds.
> (Not that it would be necesarily wrong if someone makes an accusation > against someone who is no longer alive to defend themselves. It's > something that is done in historical writing all the time. Which > would lead to a repeated argument in this group...)- Ocultar texto de la cita -
> - Mostrar texto de la cita -
I think I should have said "stuff" and not "staff"...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Halfway thru "Here There and Everywhere" by Geoff Emerick and I really > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The only mistake I found so far was that he said Brian Epstein died at 37.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any thoughts on this book? I find it to be one of the better books about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Beatles.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > One thing I found out that I never knew was, it was John singing the end > > > > > > > > > > > > > > part on Yellow Submarine. I always (after 40 plus years of listening to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this song) thought it was Paul.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bob
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes it is a very interesting book, however I find his constant 'bashing' of > > > > > > > > > > > > > George early in the book a bit much.
> > > > > > > > > > > > What did he say about George? I haven't read the book. Thank You.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Jeff- Ocultar texto de la cita -
> > > > > > > > > > > > - Mostrar texto de la cita -
> > > > > > > > > > > I'm pretty sure he means George Martin (just in case you're thinking > > > > > > > > > > > about George Harrison).- Hide quoted text -
> > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -
> > > > > > > > > > No, he was quite critical of George Harrison. Geoff Emerick did have > > > > > > > > > > nice things to say by the end of the book, but IIRC in the early parts > > > > > > > > > > of the book, he repeatedly slams George's personality, guitar playing > > > > > > > > > > and song writing.
> > > > > > > > > Is this a new book, and do you have any quotes? Thanks, Fatt
> > > > > > > > > Jeff- Hide quoted text -
> > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -
> > > > > > > > The book is Here There and Everywhere . . . I don't know what I did > > > > > > > > with my copy. I don't have it handy.
> > > > > > > > But if memory serves me right, he referred to George has having a sour > > > > > > > > personality, called his guitar playing in the studio ham fisted, and > > > > > > > > had little nice to say about his early song writing efforts. Geoff > > > > > > > > spoke more favorably of George toward the end of the Beatles, but he > > > > > > > > clearly was not impressed during the early years.
> > > > > > > > This book has been discussed quite already at rmb.
> > > > > > > Well, yeah..but everything pertaining to the Beatles gets > > > > > > > recycled...over and over again. Maybe they just had > > > > > > > a personality conflict?
> > > > > > I think that was probably (a big part) of it.
> > > > > > I'll bet he said nothing to George
> > > > > > > at that time. Was the book written after George died? > > > > > > > If so, that's bullshift.- Ocultar texto de la cita -
> > > > > > > - Mostrar texto de la cita -
> > > > > > Why?. Cannot anyone say anything about someone who's dead?.
> > > > > They can, but it's not nice for them to talk about people like > > > > > George, when George is no longer around to defend > > > > > himself. Don't you agree?
> > > > > Jeff- Hide quoted text -
> > > > > - Show quoted text -
> > > > Geoff Emerick is not making an accusation against George nor > > > > anything. He's just giving an opinion about him. Nothing wrong with > > > > that. That doesn't mean his opinion is accurate. He probably didn't > > > > know him that well anyways.
> > > That's what I'm saying..but just the fact that he's talking against > > > George...after he's dead...comes off to me as being a jerk, > > > just trying to sell a book, when George isn't around to > > > defend himself. I don't know about you, but I don't think > > > that highly of Emerick...to even buy the book. I'm not > > > into gossip, and people just running their mouth.- Ocultar texto de la cita -
> > > - Mostrar texto de la cita -
> > But he did know him, he aparently didn't like him much, and he's > > saying his opinion about him. I really don't see a problem. What > > would George need to defend himself?, against someone not liking him, > > saying that he found him to have a sour mood?. It's pretty subjective > > staff. Geoff, despite not knowing George very well, did know him, and > > gave his opinion about him. I don't see anything wrong nor would make > > a judgement of Geoff based on that... of course, nor you nor me have > > read the book, so we're basing all this of what another person is > > saying to us about it. Maybe if we'd read it we'd both change our > > minds.
> > (Not that it would be necesarily wrong if someone makes an accusation > > against someone who is no longer alive to defend themselves. It's > > something that is done in historical writing all the time. Which > > would lead to a repeated argument in this group...)- Ocultar texto de la cita -
> > - Mostrar texto de la cita -
> I think I should have said "stuff" and not "staff"...
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