"The book's major "scoop" was Jackson's allegation that he was beaten by his father. But a throwaway comment Jackson made -- and Davis cannot remember if it was in the book -- proved to be more significant. Jackson had recounted how he and his older brothers would squeeze into a pair of hotel beds while on the road as youngsters, "and that's how I feel best about going to sleep, to this day."
> "The book's major "scoop" was Jackson's allegation that he was beaten > by his father. But a throwaway comment Jackson made -- and Davis > cannot remember if it was in the book -- proved to be more > significant. Jackson had recounted how he and his older brothers would > squeeze into a pair of hotel beds while on the road as youngsters, > "and that's how I feel best about going to sleep, to this day."
...so do puppies and kittens.
It is certainly possible that his associations with children...and having them in his bed...was totally innocent. I can believe that...Moms and Dads do it all the time. But he did it to the detriment of his career. And who knows the motivations for the lawsuits and accusations. Unfortunately, his *perspective* was warped...whether by his early life on child abuse within the Jackson family. I suppose someone will write *the book*.
> > "The book's major "scoop" was Jackson's allegation that he was beaten > > by his father. But a throwaway comment Jackson made -- and Davis > > cannot remember if it was in the book -- proved to be more > > significant. Jackson had recounted how he and his older brothers would > > squeeze into a pair of hotel beds while on the road as youngsters, > > "and that's how I feel best about going to sleep, to this day."
> ...so do puppies and kittens.
> It is certainly possible that his associations with children...and > having them in his bed...was totally innocent. I can believe > that...Moms and Dads do it all the time. But he did it to the > detriment of his career. And who knows the motivations for the > lawsuits and accusations. Unfortunately, his *perspective* was > warped...whether by his early life on child abuse within the Jackson > family. I suppose someone will write *the book*.
> > > "The book's major "scoop" was Jackson's allegation that he was beaten > > > by his father. But a throwaway comment Jackson made -- and Davis > > > cannot remember if it was in the book -- proved to be more > > > significant. Jackson had recounted how he and his older brothers would > > > squeeze into a pair of hotel beds while on the road as youngsters, > > > "and that's how I feel best about going to sleep, to this day."
> > ...so do puppies and kittens.
> > It is certainly possible that his associations with children...and > > having them in his bed...was totally innocent. I can believe > > that...Moms and Dads do it all the time. But he did it to the > > detriment of his career. And who knows the motivations for the > > lawsuits and accusations. Unfortunately, his *perspective* was > > warped...whether by his early life on child abuse within the Jackson > > family. I suppose someone will write *the book*.
> We'll see tons of books, Dave. No end in sight.
No doubt. Credibility is the issue. There's BIG money to be made. Slap the name *Michael Jackson* on the cover and someone will buy it.
> "The book's major "scoop" was Jackson's allegation that he was beaten > by his father. But a throwaway comment Jackson made -- and Davis > cannot remember if it was in the book -- proved to be more > significant. Jackson had recounted how he and his older brothers would > squeeze into a pair of hotel beds while on the road as youngsters, > "and that's how I feel best about going to sleep, to this day."
In the final weeks of his life, Jackson complained of bad insomnia. He may have had a terrible time falling asleep by himself or without the use of drugs..
Fattuchus <fattuc...@yahoo.com> wrote: > On Jul 4, 7:02 pm, Bernie Woodham <birnhamw...@insightbb.com> wrote: >> Nothing to do with The Beatles, I admit. But an odd article about >> Jackie Onassis and her dealings with Jackson on a book deal:
>> "The book's major "scoop" was Jackson's allegation that he was beaten >> by his father. But a throwaway comment Jackson made -- and Davis >> cannot remember if it was in the book -- proved to be more >> significant. Jackson had recounted how he and his older brothers >> would squeeze into a pair of hotel beds while on the road as >> youngsters, "and that's how I feel best about going to sleep, to >> this day."
> In the final weeks of his life, Jackson complained of bad insomnia. > He may have had a terrible time falling asleep by himself or without > the use of drugs..
From what I've seen (and I'm trying to avoid following this closely, but the news media continue to jam the subject in our faces), he's had this problem for *years*. Drugs were found in his residence that are used *only* for anaesthesia associated with surgery. Going back many years ago, an anaesthesiologist accompanied him on concert tours.
Putting a man under with drugs of this type is *not* the same as using a sleeping aid. Being under anaesthesia is *not* sleep.
I suspect it will take quite a while to sort through all this, but when that happens, there will be hell to pay among certain members of the medical profession.
Just when I thought it couldn't get any more bizarre...
> Fattuchus <fattuc...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > On Jul 4, 7:02 pm, Bernie Woodham <birnhamw...@insightbb.com> wrote: > >> Nothing to do with The Beatles, I admit. But an odd article about > >> Jackie Onassis and her dealings with Jackson on a book deal:
> >> "The book's major "scoop" was Jackson's allegation that he was beaten > >> by his father. But a throwaway comment Jackson made -- and Davis > >> cannot remember if it was in the book -- proved to be more > >> significant. Jackson had recounted how he and his older brothers > >> would squeeze into a pair of hotel beds while on the road as > >> youngsters, "and that's how I feel best about going to sleep, to > >> this day."
> > In the final weeks of his life, Jackson complained of bad insomnia. > > He may have had a terrible time falling asleep by himself or without > > the use of drugs..
> From what I've seen (and I'm trying to avoid following this closely, but > the news media continue to jam the subject in our faces), he's had this > problem for *years*. Drugs were found in his residence that are used > *only* for anaesthesia associated with surgery. Going back many years > ago, an anaesthesiologist accompanied him on concert tours.
I was not aware that MJ used anaesthesia for years.
> Putting a man under with drugs of this type is *not* the same as using a > sleeping aid. Being under anaesthesia is *not* sleep.
> I suspect it will take quite a while to sort through all this, but when > that happens, there will be hell to pay among certain members of the > medical profession.
It is being reported that MJ owed one pharmacy about $100,000 and that drugs were prescribed to him under phoney names. Given the large quantity of drugs and the fact that they were given to him under false names, IMO, when all is said and done, there will be a few medical providers with criminal charges against them.
I think it was John Lennon who said something to the effect of "The king is always killed by his servants" (can't recall the exact words) Sadly, this is probably the case in Jackson's untimely death. He had a star quality about him, and he was so rich and so famous, he found members of the medical profession who could not say "no" when they should have.
Fattuchus wrote: > On Jul 5, 8:33 am, "RichL" <rpleav...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> Fattuchus <fattuc...@yahoo.com> wrote: >>> On Jul 4, 7:02 pm, Bernie Woodham <birnhamw...@insightbb.com> wrote: >>>> Nothing to do with The Beatles, I admit. But an odd article about >>>> Jackie Onassis and her dealings with Jackson on a book deal: >> http://www.reuters.com/article/entertainmentNews/idUSTRE5631S420090704
>>>> a cite: >>>> "The book's major "scoop" was Jackson's allegation that he was beaten >>>> by his father. But a throwaway comment Jackson made -- and Davis >>>> cannot remember if it was in the book -- proved to be more >>>> significant. Jackson had recounted how he and his older brothers >>>> would squeeze into a pair of hotel beds while on the road as >>>> youngsters, "and that's how I feel best about going to sleep, to >>>> this day." >>> In the final weeks of his life, Jackson complained of bad insomnia. >>> He may have had a terrible time falling asleep by himself or without >>> the use of drugs.. >> From what I've seen (and I'm trying to avoid following this closely, but >> the news media continue to jam the subject in our faces), he's had this >> problem for *years*. Drugs were found in his residence that are used >> *only* for anaesthesia associated with surgery. Going back many years >> ago, an anaesthesiologist accompanied him on concert tours.
> I was not aware that MJ used anaesthesia for years.
>> Putting a man under with drugs of this type is *not* the same as using a >> sleeping aid. Being under anaesthesia is *not* sleep.
>> I suspect it will take quite a while to sort through all this, but when >> that happens, there will be hell to pay among certain members of the >> medical profession.
> It is being reported that MJ owed one pharmacy about $100,000 and that > drugs were prescribed to him under phoney names. Given the large > quantity of drugs and the fact that they were given to him under false > names, IMO, when all is said and done, there will be a few medical > providers with criminal charges against them.
> I think it was John Lennon who said something to the effect of "The > king is always killed by his servants" (can't recall the exact words) > Sadly, this is probably the case in Jackson's untimely death. He had > a star quality about him, and he was so rich and so famous, he found > members of the medical profession who could not say "no" when they > should have.
Probably so - and a common story it is - but a wealthy man being able to get any drugs any time he wanted to is hardly a depiction of "a king killed by his servants" - sounds like he killed himself.
There are plenty of rich people who don't take the bizarre variety of deadly medications that Jackson seems to have, so it cannot logically be blamed on those who would provide anything for money. When isn't that true in a "free market"? Michael had to ask first.
Fattuchus <fattuc...@yahoo.com> wrote: > On Jul 5, 8:33 am, "RichL" <rpleav...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> Fattuchus <fattuc...@yahoo.com> wrote: >>> On Jul 4, 7:02 pm, Bernie Woodham <birnhamw...@insightbb.com> wrote: >>>> Nothing to do with The Beatles, I admit. But an odd article about >>>> Jackie Onassis and her dealings with Jackson on a book deal:
>>>> "The book's major "scoop" was Jackson's allegation that he was >>>> beaten by his father. But a throwaway comment Jackson made -- and >>>> Davis cannot remember if it was in the book -- proved to be more >>>> significant. Jackson had recounted how he and his older brothers >>>> would squeeze into a pair of hotel beds while on the road as >>>> youngsters, "and that's how I feel best about going to sleep, to >>>> this day."
>>> In the final weeks of his life, Jackson complained of bad insomnia. >>> He may have had a terrible time falling asleep by himself or without >>> the use of drugs..
>> From what I've seen (and I'm trying to avoid following this closely, >> but the news media continue to jam the subject in our faces), he's >> had this problem for *years*. Drugs were found in his residence that >> are used *only* for anaesthesia associated with surgery. Going back >> many years ago, an anaesthesiologist accompanied him on concert >> tours.
> I was not aware that MJ used anaesthesia for years.
>> Putting a man under with drugs of this type is *not* the same as >> using a sleeping aid. Being under anaesthesia is *not* sleep.
>> I suspect it will take quite a while to sort through all this, but >> when that happens, there will be hell to pay among certain members >> of the medical profession.
> It is being reported that MJ owed one pharmacy about $100,000 and that > drugs were prescribed to him under phoney names. Given the large > quantity of drugs and the fact that they were given to him under false > names, IMO, when all is said and done, there will be a few medical > providers with criminal charges against them.
> I think it was John Lennon who said something to the effect of "The > king is always killed by his servants" (can't recall the exact words) > Sadly, this is probably the case in Jackson's untimely death. He had > a star quality about him, and he was so rich and so famous, he found > members of the medical profession who could not say "no" when they > should have.
I first heard about this on CNN. Here's an article:
> On Jul 5, 8:33 am, "RichL" <rpleav...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Fattuchus <fattuc...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > On Jul 4, 7:02 pm, Bernie Woodham <birnhamw...@insightbb.com> wrote: > > >> Nothing to do with The Beatles, I admit. But an odd article about > > >> Jackie Onassis and her dealings with Jackson on a book deal:
> > >> "The book's major "scoop" was Jackson's allegation that he was beaten > > >> by his father. But a throwaway comment Jackson made -- and Davis > > >> cannot remember if it was in the book -- proved to be more > > >> significant. Jackson had recounted how he and his older brothers > > >> would squeeze into a pair of hotel beds while on the road as > > >> youngsters, "and that's how I feel best about going to sleep, to > > >> this day."
> > > In the final weeks of his life, Jackson complained of bad insomnia. > > > He may have had a terrible time falling asleep by himself or without > > > the use of drugs..
> > From what I've seen (and I'm trying to avoid following this closely, but > > the news media continue to jam the subject in our faces), he's had this > > problem for *years*. Drugs were found in his residence that are used > > *only* for anaesthesia associated with surgery. Going back many years > > ago, an anaesthesiologist accompanied him on concert tours.
> I was not aware that MJ used anaesthesia for years.
> > Putting a man under with drugs of this type is *not* the same as using a > > sleeping aid. Being under anaesthesia is *not* sleep.
> > I suspect it will take quite a while to sort through all this, but when > > that happens, there will be hell to pay among certain members of the > > medical profession.
> It is being reported that MJ owed one pharmacy about $100,000 and that > drugs were prescribed to him under phoney names. Given the large > quantity of drugs and the fact that they were given to him under false > names, IMO, when all is said and done, there will be a few medical > providers with criminal charges against them.
> I think it was John Lennon who said something to the effect of "The > king is always killed by his servants" (can't recall the exact words) > Sadly, this is probably the case in Jackson's untimely death. He had > a star quality about him, and he was so rich and so famous, he found > members of the medical profession who could not say "no" when they > should have.- Ocultar texto de la cita -
> - Mostrar texto de la cita -
Which is clear with his plastic surgeons... what a lack of professional ethic.
> Fattuchus wrote: > > On Jul 5, 8:33 am, "RichL" <rpleav...@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> Fattuchus <fattuc...@yahoo.com> wrote: > >>> On Jul 4, 7:02 pm, Bernie Woodham <birnhamw...@insightbb.com> wrote: > >>>> Nothing to do with The Beatles, I admit. But an odd article about > >>>> Jackie Onassis and her dealings with Jackson on a book deal: > >>http://www.reuters.com/article/entertainmentNews/idUSTRE5631S420090704
> >>>> a cite: > >>>> "The book's major "scoop" was Jackson's allegation that he was beaten > >>>> by his father. But a throwaway comment Jackson made -- and Davis > >>>> cannot remember if it was in the book -- proved to be more > >>>> significant. Jackson had recounted how he and his older brothers > >>>> would squeeze into a pair of hotel beds while on the road as > >>>> youngsters, "and that's how I feel best about going to sleep, to > >>>> this day." > >>> In the final weeks of his life, Jackson complained of bad insomnia. > >>> He may have had a terrible time falling asleep by himself or without > >>> the use of drugs.. > >> From what I've seen (and I'm trying to avoid following this closely, but > >> the news media continue to jam the subject in our faces), he's had this > >> problem for *years*. Drugs were found in his residence that are used > >> *only* for anaesthesia associated with surgery. Going back many years > >> ago, an anaesthesiologist accompanied him on concert tours.
> > I was not aware that MJ used anaesthesia for years.
> >> Putting a man under with drugs of this type is *not* the same as using a > >> sleeping aid. Being under anaesthesia is *not* sleep.
> >> I suspect it will take quite a while to sort through all this, but when > >> that happens, there will be hell to pay among certain members of the > >> medical profession.
> > It is being reported that MJ owed one pharmacy about $100,000 and that > > drugs were prescribed to him under phoney names. Given the large > > quantity of drugs and the fact that they were given to him under false > > names, IMO, when all is said and done, there will be a few medical > > providers with criminal charges against them.
> > I think it was John Lennon who said something to the effect of "The > > king is always killed by his servants" (can't recall the exact words) > > Sadly, this is probably the case in Jackson's untimely death. He had > > a star quality about him, and he was so rich and so famous, he found > > members of the medical profession who could not say "no" when they > > should have.
> Probably so - and a common story it is - but a wealthy man being able to > get any drugs any time he wanted to is hardly a depiction of "a king > killed by his servants" - sounds like he killed himself.
My point is that MJ was surrounded by enablers. And he was able to have these "yes men" around him because he was so wealthy, powerful, charismatic, etc.
> There are plenty of rich people who don't take the bizarre variety of > deadly medications that Jackson seems to have, so it cannot logically be > blamed on those who would provide anything for money. When isn't that > true in a "free market"? Michael had to ask first.
> dmh-
Well, yes, he had to ask. Indeed, according to a nurse who worked for him, he was very eager to get it and kept asking and asking and asking.
> On 5 jul, 12:19, Fattuchus <fattuc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Jul 5, 8:33 am, "RichL" <rpleav...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > Fattuchus <fattuc...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > On Jul 4, 7:02 pm, Bernie Woodham <birnhamw...@insightbb.com> wrote: > > > >> Nothing to do with The Beatles, I admit. But an odd article about > > > >> Jackie Onassis and her dealings with Jackson on a book deal:
> > > >> "The book's major "scoop" was Jackson's allegation that he was beaten > > > >> by his father. But a throwaway comment Jackson made -- and Davis > > > >> cannot remember if it was in the book -- proved to be more > > > >> significant. Jackson had recounted how he and his older brothers > > > >> would squeeze into a pair of hotel beds while on the road as > > > >> youngsters, "and that's how I feel best about going to sleep, to > > > >> this day."
> > > > In the final weeks of his life, Jackson complained of bad insomnia. > > > > He may have had a terrible time falling asleep by himself or without > > > > the use of drugs..
> > > From what I've seen (and I'm trying to avoid following this closely, but > > > the news media continue to jam the subject in our faces), he's had this > > > problem for *years*. Drugs were found in his residence that are used > > > *only* for anaesthesia associated with surgery. Going back many years > > > ago, an anaesthesiologist accompanied him on concert tours.
> > I was not aware that MJ used anaesthesia for years.
> > > Putting a man under with drugs of this type is *not* the same as using a > > > sleeping aid. Being under anaesthesia is *not* sleep.
> > > I suspect it will take quite a while to sort through all this, but when > > > that happens, there will be hell to pay among certain members of the > > > medical profession.
> > It is being reported that MJ owed one pharmacy about $100,000 and that > > drugs were prescribed to him under phoney names. Given the large > > quantity of drugs and the fact that they were given to him under false > > names, IMO, when all is said and done, there will be a few medical > > providers with criminal charges against them.
> > I think it was John Lennon who said something to the effect of "The > > king is always killed by his servants" (can't recall the exact words) > > Sadly, this is probably the case in Jackson's untimely death. He had > > a star quality about him, and he was so rich and so famous, he found > > members of the medical profession who could not say "no" when they > > should have.- Ocultar texto de la cita -
> > - Mostrar texto de la cita -
> Which is clear with his plastic surgeons... what a lack of > professional ethic.-
I agree. I saw the documentary with Martin Bashir where Bashir interviewed Jackson about his plastic surgery. Jackson looked him straight in the eye and insisted he had had only two operations-- period. Even an untrained eye could tell at that time that MJ must have had more than two surgeries. Now the news being reported is that he had many such surgeries.
> > > > Fattuchus <fattuc...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jul 4, 7:02 pm, Bernie Woodham <birnhamw...@insightbb.com> wrote: > > > > >> Nothing to do with The Beatles, I admit. But an odd article about > > > > >> Jackie Onassis and her dealings with Jackson on a book deal:
> > > > >> "The book's major "scoop" was Jackson's allegation that he was beaten > > > > >> by his father. But a throwaway comment Jackson made -- and Davis > > > > >> cannot remember if it was in the book -- proved to be more > > > > >> significant. Jackson had recounted how he and his older brothers > > > > >> would squeeze into a pair of hotel beds while on the road as > > > > >> youngsters, "and that's how I feel best about going to sleep, to > > > > >> this day."
> > > > > In the final weeks of his life, Jackson complained of bad insomnia. > > > > > He may have had a terrible time falling asleep by himself or without > > > > > the use of drugs..
> > > > From what I've seen (and I'm trying to avoid following this closely, but > > > > the news media continue to jam the subject in our faces), he's had this > > > > problem for *years*. Drugs were found in his residence that are used > > > > *only* for anaesthesia associated with surgery. Going back many years > > > > ago, an anaesthesiologist accompanied him on concert tours.
> > > I was not aware that MJ used anaesthesia for years.
> > > > Putting a man under with drugs of this type is *not* the same as using a > > > > sleeping aid. Being under anaesthesia is *not* sleep.
> > > > I suspect it will take quite a while to sort through all this, but when > > > > that happens, there will be hell to pay among certain members of the > > > > medical profession.
> > > It is being reported that MJ owed one pharmacy about $100,000 and that > > > drugs were prescribed to him under phoney names. Given the large > > > quantity of drugs and the fact that they were given to him under false > > > names, IMO, when all is said and done, there will be a few medical > > > providers with criminal charges against them.
> > > I think it was John Lennon who said something to the effect of "The > > > king is always killed by his servants" (can't recall the exact words) > > > Sadly, this is probably the case in Jackson's untimely death. He had > > > a star quality about him, and he was so rich and so famous, he found > > > members of the medical profession who could not say "no" when they > > > should have.- Ocultar texto de la cita -
> > > - Mostrar texto de la cita -
> > Which is clear with his plastic surgeons... what a lack of > > professional ethic.-
> I agree. I saw the documentary with Martin Bashir where Bashir > interviewed Jackson about his plastic surgery. Jackson looked him > straight in the eye and insisted he had had only two operations-- > period. Even an untrained eye could tell at that time that MJ must > have had more than two surgeries. Now the news being reported is that > he had many such surgeries.- Ocultar texto de la cita -
> - Mostrar texto de la cita -
He must have had Body Dismorphic Disorder. Look it up. What another explanation could there be for him to destroy his face like that?.
> > > > > Fattuchus <fattuc...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Jul 4, 7:02 pm, Bernie Woodham <birnhamw...@insightbb.com> wrote: > > > > > >> Nothing to do with The Beatles, I admit. But an odd article about > > > > > >> Jackie Onassis and her dealings with Jackson on a book deal:
> > > > > >> "The book's major "scoop" was Jackson's allegation that he was beaten > > > > > >> by his father. But a throwaway comment Jackson made -- and Davis > > > > > >> cannot remember if it was in the book -- proved to be more > > > > > >> significant. Jackson had recounted how he and his older brothers > > > > > >> would squeeze into a pair of hotel beds while on the road as > > > > > >> youngsters, "and that's how I feel best about going to sleep, to > > > > > >> this day."
> > > > > > In the final weeks of his life, Jackson complained of bad insomnia. > > > > > > He may have had a terrible time falling asleep by himself or without > > > > > > the use of drugs..
> > > > > From what I've seen (and I'm trying to avoid following this closely, but > > > > > the news media continue to jam the subject in our faces), he's had this > > > > > problem for *years*. Drugs were found in his residence that are used > > > > > *only* for anaesthesia associated with surgery. Going back many years > > > > > ago, an anaesthesiologist accompanied him on concert tours.
> > > > I was not aware that MJ used anaesthesia for years.
> > > > > Putting a man under with drugs of this type is *not* the same as using a > > > > > sleeping aid. Being under anaesthesia is *not* sleep.
> > > > > I suspect it will take quite a while to sort through all this, but when > > > > > that happens, there will be hell to pay among certain members of the > > > > > medical profession.
> > > > It is being reported that MJ owed one pharmacy about $100,000 and that > > > > drugs were prescribed to him under phoney names. Given the large > > > > quantity of drugs and the fact that they were given to him under false > > > > names, IMO, when all is said and done, there will be a few medical > > > > providers with criminal charges against them.
> > > > I think it was John Lennon who said something to the effect of "The > > > > king is always killed by his servants" (can't recall the exact words) > > > > Sadly, this is probably the case in Jackson's untimely death. He had > > > > a star quality about him, and he was so rich and so famous, he found > > > > members of the medical profession who could not say "no" when they > > > > should have.- Ocultar texto de la cita -
> > > > - Mostrar texto de la cita -
> > > Which is clear with his plastic surgeons... what a lack of > > > professional ethic.-
> > I agree. I saw the documentary with Martin Bashir where Bashir > > interviewed Jackson about his plastic surgery. Jackson looked him > > straight in the eye and insisted he had had only two operations-- > > period. Even an untrained eye could tell at that time that MJ must > > have had more than two surgeries. Now the news being reported is that > > he had many such surgeries.- Ocultar texto de la cita -
> > - Mostrar texto de la cita -
> He must have had Body Dismorphic Disorder. Look it up. What another > explanation could there be for him to destroy his face like that?.
I saw this really pretty blond once, on Oprah, and she felt so ugly, she rarely left her house. Do you know what that disorder is called?
> > > > > > Fattuchus <fattuc...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jul 4, 7:02 pm, Bernie Woodham <birnhamw...@insightbb.com> wrote: > > > > > > >> Nothing to do with The Beatles, I admit. But an odd article about > > > > > > >> Jackie Onassis and her dealings with Jackson on a book deal:
> > > > > > >> "The book's major "scoop" was Jackson's allegation that he was beaten > > > > > > >> by his father. But a throwaway comment Jackson made -- and Davis > > > > > > >> cannot remember if it was in the book -- proved to be more > > > > > > >> significant. Jackson had recounted how he and his older brothers > > > > > > >> would squeeze into a pair of hotel beds while on the road as > > > > > > >> youngsters, "and that's how I feel best about going to sleep, to > > > > > > >> this day."
> > > > > > > In the final weeks of his life, Jackson complained of bad insomnia. > > > > > > > He may have had a terrible time falling asleep by himself or without > > > > > > > the use of drugs..
> > > > > > From what I've seen (and I'm trying to avoid following this closely, but > > > > > > the news media continue to jam the subject in our faces), he's had this > > > > > > problem for *years*. Drugs were found in his residence that are used > > > > > > *only* for anaesthesia associated with surgery. Going back many years > > > > > > ago, an anaesthesiologist accompanied him on concert tours.
> > > > > I was not aware that MJ used anaesthesia for years.
> > > > > > Putting a man under with drugs of this type is *not* the same as using a > > > > > > sleeping aid. Being under anaesthesia is *not* sleep.
> > > > > > I suspect it will take quite a while to sort through all this, but when > > > > > > that happens, there will be hell to pay among certain members of the > > > > > > medical profession.
> > > > > It is being reported that MJ owed one pharmacy about $100,000 and that > > > > > drugs were prescribed to him under phoney names. Given the large > > > > > quantity of drugs and the fact that they were given to him under false > > > > > names, IMO, when all is said and done, there will be a few medical > > > > > providers with criminal charges against them.
> > > > > I think it was John Lennon who said something to the effect of "The > > > > > king is always killed by his servants" (can't recall the exact words) > > > > > Sadly, this is probably the case in Jackson's untimely death. He had > > > > > a star quality about him, and he was so rich and so famous, he found > > > > > members of the medical profession who could not say "no" when they > > > > > should have.- Ocultar texto de la cita -
> > > > > - Mostrar texto de la cita -
> > > > Which is clear with his plastic surgeons... what a lack of > > > > professional ethic.-
> > > I agree. I saw the documentary with Martin Bashir where Bashir > > > interviewed Jackson about his plastic surgery. Jackson looked him > > > straight in the eye and insisted he had had only two operations-- > > > period. Even an untrained eye could tell at that time that MJ must > > > have had more than two surgeries. Now the news being reported is that > > > he had many such surgeries.- Ocultar texto de la cita -
> > > - Mostrar texto de la cita -
> > He must have had Body Dismorphic Disorder. Look it up. What another > > explanation could there be for him to destroy his face like that?.
> I saw this really pretty blond once, on Oprah, and she felt so ugly, > she rarely left her house. Do you know what that disorder is > called?- Ocultar texto de la cita -
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It must be that one, Body Dismorphic Disorder. It's similar to anorexia. People who get obsessed about some m,inor or imagined defect. They might feel so embarassed about their look that they might become recluses in their houses, cover their faces, destroy their faces with plastic surgery... Michael Jackson did all of that. And aparently he had anorexia as well.
> > > > > > > Fattuchus <fattuc...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Jul 4, 7:02 pm, Bernie Woodham <birnhamw...@insightbb.com> wrote: > > > > > > > >> Nothing to do with The Beatles, I admit. But an odd article about > > > > > > > >> Jackie Onassis and her dealings with Jackson on a book deal:
> > > > > > > >> "The book's major "scoop" was Jackson's allegation that he was beaten > > > > > > > >> by his father. But a throwaway comment Jackson made -- and Davis > > > > > > > >> cannot remember if it was in the book -- proved to be more > > > > > > > >> significant. Jackson had recounted how he and his older brothers > > > > > > > >> would squeeze into a pair of hotel beds while on the road as > > > > > > > >> youngsters, "and that's how I feel best about going to sleep, to > > > > > > > >> this day."
> > > > > > > > In the final weeks of his life, Jackson complained of bad insomnia. > > > > > > > > He may have had a terrible time falling asleep by himself or without > > > > > > > > the use of drugs..
> > > > > > > From what I've seen (and I'm trying to avoid following this closely, but > > > > > > > the news media continue to jam the subject in our faces), he's had this > > > > > > > problem for *years*. Drugs were found in his residence that are used > > > > > > > *only* for anaesthesia associated with surgery. Going back many years > > > > > > > ago, an anaesthesiologist accompanied him on concert tours.
> > > > > > I was not aware that MJ used anaesthesia for years.
> > > > > > > Putting a man under with drugs of this type is *not* the same as using a > > > > > > > sleeping aid. Being under anaesthesia is *not* sleep.
> > > > > > > I suspect it will take quite a while to sort through all this, but when > > > > > > > that happens, there will be hell to pay among certain members of the > > > > > > > medical profession.
> > > > > > It is being reported that MJ owed one pharmacy about $100,000 and that > > > > > > drugs were prescribed to him under phoney names. Given the large > > > > > > quantity of drugs and the fact that they were given to him under false > > > > > > names, IMO, when all is said and done, there will be a few medical > > > > > > providers with criminal charges against them.
> > > > > > I think it was John Lennon who said something to the effect of "The > > > > > > king is always killed by his servants" (can't recall the exact words) > > > > > > Sadly, this is probably the case in Jackson's untimely death. He had > > > > > > a star quality about him, and he was so rich and so famous, he found > > > > > > members of the medical profession who could not say "no" when they > > > > > > should have.- Ocultar texto de la cita -
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> > > > > Which is clear with his plastic surgeons... what a lack of > > > > > professional ethic.-
> > > > I agree. I saw the documentary with Martin Bashir where Bashir > > > > interviewed Jackson about his plastic surgery. Jackson looked him > > > > straight in the eye and insisted he had had only two operations-- > > > > period. Even an untrained eye could tell at that time that MJ must > > > > have had more than two surgeries. Now the news being reported is that > > > > he had many such surgeries.- Ocultar texto de la cita -
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> > > He must have had Body Dismorphic Disorder. Look it up. What another > > > explanation could there be for him to destroy his face like that?.
> > I saw this really pretty blond once, on Oprah, and she felt so ugly, > > she rarely left her house. Do you know what that disorder is > > called?- Ocultar texto de la cita -
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> It must be that one, Body Dismorphic Disorder. It's similar to > anorexia. People who get obsessed about some m,inor or imagined > defect. They might feel so embarassed about their look that they > might become recluses in their houses, cover their faces, destroy > their faces with plastic surgery... Michael Jackson did all of that. > And aparently he had anorexia as well.
> > > > > Fattuchus <fattuc...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Jul 4, 7:02 pm, Bernie Woodham <birnhamw...@insightbb.com> wrote: > > > > > >> Nothing to do with The Beatles, I admit. But an odd article about > > > > > >> Jackie Onassis and her dealings with Jackson on a book deal:
> > > > > >> "The book's major "scoop" was Jackson's allegation that he was beaten > > > > > >> by his father. But a throwaway comment Jackson made -- and Davis > > > > > >> cannot remember if it was in the book -- proved to be more > > > > > >> significant. Jackson had recounted how he and his older brothers > > > > > >> would squeeze into a pair of hotel beds while on the road as > > > > > >> youngsters, "and that's how I feel best about going to sleep, to > > > > > >> this day."
> > > > > > In the final weeks of his life, Jackson complained of bad insomnia. > > > > > > He may have had a terrible time falling asleep by himself or without > > > > > > the use of drugs..
> > > > > From what I've seen (and I'm trying to avoid following this closely, but > > > > > the news media continue to jam the subject in our faces), he's had this > > > > > problem for *years*. Drugs were found in his residence that are used > > > > > *only* for anaesthesia associated with surgery. Going back many years > > > > > ago, an anaesthesiologist accompanied him on concert tours.
> > > > I was not aware that MJ used anaesthesia for years.
> > > > > Putting a man under with drugs of this type is *not* the same as using a > > > > > sleeping aid. Being under anaesthesia is *not* sleep.
> > > > > I suspect it will take quite a while to sort through all this, but when > > > > > that happens, there will be hell to pay among certain members of the > > > > > medical profession.
> > > > It is being reported that MJ owed one pharmacy about $100,000 and that > > > > drugs were prescribed to him under phoney names. Given the large > > > > quantity of drugs and the fact that they were given to him under false > > > > names, IMO, when all is said and done, there will be a few medical > > > > providers with criminal charges against them.
> > > > I think it was John Lennon who said something to the effect of "The > > > > king is always killed by his servants" (can't recall the exact words) > > > > Sadly, this is probably the case in Jackson's untimely death. He had > > > > a star quality about him, and he was so rich and so famous, he found > > > > members of the medical profession who could not say "no" when they > > > > should have.- Ocultar texto de la cita -
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> > > Which is clear with his plastic surgeons... what a lack of > > > professional ethic.-
> > I agree. I saw the documentary with Martin Bashir where Bashir > > interviewed Jackson about his plastic surgery. Jackson looked him > > straight in the eye and insisted he had had only two operations-- > > period. Even an untrained eye could tell at that time that MJ must > > have had more than two surgeries. Now the news being reported is that > > he had many such surgeries.- Ocultar texto de la cita -
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> He must have had Body Dismorphic Disorder. Look it up. What another > explanation could there be for him to destroy his face like that?.- Hide quoted text -
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I have seen a psychiatrist or two interviewed on TV, and that is what they said.
Some have claimed that Jackson had such an unhappy childhood and hated his father so much, he did whatever he could to alter his appearance to stop being reminded of his dad. Some say that is the true reason why he bleached his skin and had surgery to appear more "white." Plus Jackson reported that his father used to make fun of Jackson's skin and "big" nose . . . . . some say that his reaction to all this was to have multiple surgeries on his nose and to change his skin.
> > > > > > > Fattuchus <fattuc...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Jul 4, 7:02 pm, Bernie Woodham <birnhamw...@insightbb.com> wrote: > > > > > > > >> Nothing to do with The Beatles, I admit. But an odd article about > > > > > > > >> Jackie Onassis and her dealings with Jackson on a book deal:
> > > > > > > >> "The book's major "scoop" was Jackson's allegation that he was beaten > > > > > > > >> by his father. But a throwaway comment Jackson made -- and Davis > > > > > > > >> cannot remember if it was in the book -- proved to be more > > > > > > > >> significant. Jackson had recounted how he and his older brothers > > > > > > > >> would squeeze into a pair of hotel beds while on the road as > > > > > > > >> youngsters, "and that's how I feel best about going to sleep, to > > > > > > > >> this day."
> > > > > > > > In the final weeks of his life, Jackson complained of bad insomnia. > > > > > > > > He may have had a terrible time falling asleep by himself or without > > > > > > > > the use of drugs..
> > > > > > > From what I've seen (and I'm trying to avoid following this closely, but > > > > > > > the news media continue to jam the subject in our faces), he's had this > > > > > > > problem for *years*. Drugs were found in his residence that are used > > > > > > > *only* for anaesthesia associated with surgery. Going back many years > > > > > > > ago, an anaesthesiologist accompanied him on concert tours.
> > > > > > I was not aware that MJ used anaesthesia for years.
> > > > > > > Putting a man under with drugs of this type is *not* the same as using a > > > > > > > sleeping aid. Being under anaesthesia is *not* sleep.
> > > > > > > I suspect it will take quite a while to sort through all this, but when > > > > > > > that happens, there will be hell to pay among certain members of the > > > > > > > medical profession.
> > > > > > It is being reported that MJ owed one pharmacy about $100,000 and that > > > > > > drugs were prescribed to him under phoney names. Given the large > > > > > > quantity of drugs and the fact that they were given to him under false > > > > > > names, IMO, when all is said and done, there will be a few medical > > > > > > providers with criminal charges against them.
> > > > > > I think it was John Lennon who said something to the effect of "The > > > > > > king is always killed by his servants" (can't recall the exact words) > > > > > > Sadly, this is probably the case in Jackson's untimely death. He had > > > > > > a star quality about him, and he was so rich and so famous, he found > > > > > > members of the medical profession who could not say "no" when they > > > > > > should have.- Ocultar texto de la cita -
> > > > > > - Mostrar texto de la cita -
> > > > > Which is clear with his plastic surgeons... what a lack of > > > > > professional ethic.-
> > > > I agree. I saw the documentary with Martin Bashir where Bashir > > > > interviewed Jackson about his plastic surgery. Jackson looked him > > > > straight in the eye and insisted he had had only two operations-- > > > > period. Even an untrained eye could tell at that time that MJ must > > > > have had more than two surgeries. Now the news being reported is that > > > > he had many such surgeries.- Ocultar texto de la cita -
> > > > - Mostrar texto de la cita -
> > > He must have had Body Dismorphic Disorder. Look it up. What another > > > explanation could there be for him to destroy his face like that?.
> > I saw this really pretty blond once, on Oprah, and she felt so ugly, > > she rarely left her house. Do you know what that disorder is > > called?- Ocultar texto de la cita -
> > - Mostrar texto de la cita -
> It must be that one, Body Dismorphic Disorder. It's similar to > anorexia. People who get obsessed about some m,inor or imagined > defect. They might feel so embarassed about their look that they > might become recluses in their houses, cover their faces, destroy > their faces with plastic surgery... Michael Jackson did all of that. > And aparently he had anorexia as well.-
I was wondering if he had anorexia too . . . . However there are different disorders and problems that can cause someone to eat poorly such as depression and drug abuse.
> > > > > Fattuchus <fattuc...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Jul 4, 7:02 pm, Bernie Woodham <birnhamw...@insightbb.com> wrote: > > > > > >> Nothing to do with The Beatles, I admit. But an odd article about > > > > > >> Jackie Onassis and her dealings with Jackson on a book deal:
> > > > > >> "The book's major "scoop" was Jackson's allegation that he was beaten > > > > > >> by his father. But a throwaway comment Jackson made -- and Davis > > > > > >> cannot remember if it was in the book -- proved to be more > > > > > >> significant. Jackson had recounted how he and his older brothers > > > > > >> would squeeze into a pair of hotel beds while on the road as > > > > > >> youngsters, "and that's how I feel best about going to sleep, to > > > > > >> this day."
> > > > > > In the final weeks of his life, Jackson complained of bad insomnia. > > > > > > He may have had a terrible time falling asleep by himself or without > > > > > > the use of drugs..
> > > > > From what I've seen (and I'm trying to avoid following this closely, but > > > > > the news media continue to jam the subject in our faces), he's had this > > > > > problem for *years*. Drugs were found in his residence that are used > > > > > *only* for anaesthesia associated with surgery. Going back many years > > > > > ago, an anaesthesiologist accompanied him on concert tours.
> > > > I was not aware that MJ used anaesthesia for years.
> > > > > Putting a man under with drugs of this type is *not* the same as using a > > > > > sleeping aid. Being under anaesthesia is *not* sleep.
> > > > > I suspect it will take quite a while to sort through all this, but when > > > > > that happens, there will be hell to pay among certain members of the > > > > > medical profession.
> > > > It is being reported that MJ owed one pharmacy about $100,000 and that > > > > drugs were prescribed to him under phoney names. Given the large > > > > quantity of drugs and the fact that they were given to him under false > > > > names, IMO, when all is said and done, there will be a few medical > > > > providers with criminal charges against them.
> > > > I think it was John Lennon who said something to the effect of "The > > > > king is always killed by his servants" (can't recall the exact words) > > > > Sadly, this is probably the case in Jackson's untimely death. He had > > > > a star quality about him, and he was so rich and so famous, he found > > > > members of the medical profession who could not say "no" when they > > > > should have.- Ocultar texto de la cita -
> > > > - Mostrar texto de la cita -
> > > Which is clear with his plastic surgeons... what a lack of > > > professional ethic.-
> > I agree. I saw the documentary with Martin Bashir where Bashir > > interviewed Jackson about his plastic surgery. Jackson looked him > > straight in the eye and insisted he had had only two operations-- > > period. Even an untrained eye could tell at that time that MJ must > > have had more than two surgeries. Now the news being reported is that > > he had many such surgeries.- Ocultar texto de la cita -
> > - Mostrar texto de la cita -
> He must have had Body Dismorphic Disorder. Look it up. What another > explanation could there be for him to destroy his face like that?.- Hide quoted text -
> > > > > Fattuchus <fattuc...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Jul 4, 7:02 pm, Bernie Woodham <birnhamw...@insightbb.com> wrote: > > > > > >> Nothing to do with The Beatles, I admit. But an odd article about > > > > > >> Jackie Onassis and her dealings with Jackson on a book deal:
> > > > > >> "The book's major "scoop" was Jackson's allegation that he was beaten > > > > > >> by his father. But a throwaway comment Jackson made -- and Davis > > > > > >> cannot remember if it was in the book -- proved to be more > > > > > >> significant. Jackson had recounted how he and his older brothers > > > > > >> would squeeze into a pair of hotel beds while on the road as > > > > > >> youngsters, "and that's how I feel best about going to sleep, to > > > > > >> this day."
> > > > > > In the final weeks of his life, Jackson complained of bad insomnia. > > > > > > He may have had a terrible time falling asleep by himself or without > > > > > > the use of drugs..
> > > > > From what I've seen (and I'm trying to avoid following this closely, but > > > > > the news media continue to jam the subject in our faces), he's had this > > > > > problem for *years*. Drugs were found in his residence that are used > > > > > *only* for anaesthesia associated with surgery. Going back many years > > > > > ago, an anaesthesiologist accompanied him on concert tours.
> > > > I was not aware that MJ used anaesthesia for years.
> > > > > Putting a man under with drugs of this type is *not* the same as using a > > > > > sleeping aid. Being under anaesthesia is *not* sleep.
> > > > > I suspect it will take quite a while to sort through all this, but when > > > > > that happens, there will be hell to pay among certain members of the > > > > > medical profession.
> > > > It is being reported that MJ owed one pharmacy about $100,000 and that > > > > drugs were prescribed to him under phoney names. Given the large > > > > quantity of drugs and the fact that they were given to him under false > > > > names, IMO, when all is said and done, there will be a few medical > > > > providers with criminal charges against them.
> > > > I think it was John Lennon who said something to the effect of "The > > > > king is always killed by his servants" (can't recall the exact words) > > > > Sadly, this is probably the case in Jackson's untimely death. He had > > > > a star quality about him, and he was so rich and so famous, he found > > > > members of the medical profession who could not say "no" when they > > > > should have.- Ocultar texto de la cita -
> > > > - Mostrar texto de la cita -
> > > Which is clear with his plastic surgeons... what a lack of > > > professional ethic.-
> > I agree. I saw the documentary with Martin Bashir where Bashir > > interviewed Jackson about his plastic surgery. Jackson looked him > > straight in the eye and insisted he had had only two operations-- > > period. Even an untrained eye could tell at that time that MJ must > > have had more than two surgeries. Now the news being reported is that > > he had many such surgeries.- Ocultar texto de la cita -
> > - Mostrar texto de la cita -
> He must have had Body Dismorphic Disorder. Look it up. What another > explanation could there be for him to destroy his face like that?.- Hide quoted text -
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Here is a part from the Martin Bashir documentary discussing the child (Gavin) and "the bed"
> > > > "The book's major "scoop" was Jackson's allegation that he was beaten > > > > by his father. But a throwaway comment Jackson made -- and Davis > > > > cannot remember if it was in the book -- proved to be more > > > > significant. Jackson had recounted how he and his older brothers would > > > > squeeze into a pair of hotel beds while on the road as youngsters, > > > > "and that's how I feel best about going to sleep, to this day."
> > > ...so do puppies and kittens.
> > > It is certainly possible that his associations with children...and > > > having them in his bed...was totally innocent. I can believe > > > that...Moms and Dads do it all the time. But he did it to the > > > detriment of his career. And who knows the motivations for the > > > lawsuits and accusations. Unfortunately, his *perspective* was > > > warped...whether by his early life on child abuse within the Jackson > > > family. I suppose someone will write *the book*.
> > We'll see tons of books, Dave. No end in sight.
> No doubt. Credibility is the issue. There's BIG money to be made. Slap > the name *Michael Jackson* on the cover and someone will buy it.
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