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monster outside of maze?

jason.till...@gmail.com (Jason) — Sat, 28 Nov 2009 21:29:31 UT

Has anybody ever seen this?
[link]
Seen with amulet of esp.

Re: YAFAP

janis_papanag...@hotmail.com (Janis Papanagnou) — Sat, 28 Nov 2009 19:13:15 UT

???
Why not just use a single wish to wish for two or three scrolls of gold
detection, then write some more (as many you need) with a magic marker?
A tourist is a very hard class to play; certainly one of the hardest,
probably the hardest. Without your many wishes I'm sure the game would
have evolved very differently. Any class that gets so many wishes will

YAFAP

tim...@gmail.com (timrod@gmail.com) — Sat, 28 Nov 2009 18:54:18 UT

Almost two years after nearly ascending a Valkyrie, I decided to try
something a bit different - ascending a Tourist.
Unfortunately, I couldn't play on alt.org due to a horrid college
internet connection, so I couldn't copy-paste all the text. This
screenshot will have to do: [link]

Re: {UHNH]bug?

bh...@bigfoot.com (Patric Mueller) — Sat, 28 Nov 2009 11:57:22 UT

In vanilla only if DEBUG is defined. Which it isn't normally and then
rn2 just crashes if you call rn2(0). :(
The code already does an return(0) in that case, but the
warning-message suggests that the game is in a more broken state than
it really is.
Bye
Patric

Re: {UHNH]bug?

bh...@bigfoot.com (Patric Mueller) — Sat, 28 Nov 2009 12:01:52 UT

Which NetHack code uses a real Database? Must be an interesting
parallel universe you're living in.
How can you guess that from the message alone? 7aboir didn't mention
it, but he could play on without a problem.
UnNetHack is of course way better than NetHack and SlashEm. It already
is at version 3.5.1 whereas NetHack still rests at 3.4.3 and SlashEm

Re: {UHNH]bug?

bh...@bigfoot.com (Patric Mueller) — Sat, 28 Nov 2009 11:54:21 UT

As you noticed this isn't a bug of big severity. That's the reason why
it's not yet fixed.
Thanks for youxr mentioning it. That reminded me to replace a lot of
those calls with a simpler warning function.
The standard way in vanilla to inform the player that something went
wrong is sounds most of the time way more alarming than it should be.

Re: Latest Updates

r...@sp.am (RjY) — Sat, 28 Nov 2009 11:05:07 UT

Derek Ray posted:
As you know - that is to say, for anyone else who missed it (I'm
deliberately evoking the trope here) -
Message-ID: slrnfqoi56.7th.noble@sdf.lones tar.org
[link]
(also mentioned on Wikihack's notable ascensions page)

Re: For the Knight who has everything, what good is gold?

mpr...@chiark.greenend.org.uk (Martin Read) — Sat, 28 Nov 2009 09:49:25 UT

Ixoth's a dweeb. MR, FR or reflection, Excalibur, job's a good'un.

Re: {UHNH]bug?

sreserv...@gmail.com (sreservoir) — Sat, 28 Nov 2009 00:09:48 UT

somebody dumped a variable into the argument to rn2 and didn't check to
make sure it was nonzero.
(actually, not necessarily rn2, it does the same for rnd and rnl and one
of the arguments to rn1.)
You should be able to change the call to impossible() to a return (1),
but that's hackish and might do the wrong thing.

Re: {UHNH]bug?

ap...@floor.tilde (APLer) — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 23:56:17 UT

7aboir <7ab...@lebarducoin.fr> wrote in
Database corruption at the least. It's a bug. And *not* just a "oh, I can
beat it this way bug" a classic "program doesn't properly run bug". Is
Unnethack up to version 1.0 yet? shouldn't be with this happening.
Alternatively slash'em *should* be IMHO.

Re: quest artifact generation?

rose.jo...@googlemail.com (rose.josef@googlemail.com) — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 23:39:15 UT

thanks a lot, now I know it's that bit safer to wish for an artifact
at the Castle before doing the quest! 3 artifacts already exist in the
game though, so might take a couple of tries...
Cheers,
Joe

Re: quest artifact generation?

sreserv...@gmail.com (sreservoir) — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 23:18:54 UT

It's when the level containing the artifact is generated. nethack is too
lazy to pregenerate fixed levels.

quest artifact generation?

rose.jo...@googlemail.com (rose.josef@googlemail.com) — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 22:00:13 UT

Hi everyone,
Well my latest Wizard is currently heading down to the Castle, and has
just reached the level with the Quest portal on. I am planning to wish
for the Staff of Aesculapius if no more artifacts get generated in the
meantime, and this made me think of this question:
At what point does the Quest artifact, in this case the Eye of the

Re: Latest Updates

de...@moot.its.only.a.spamtrap.org (Derek Ray) — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 21:20:30 UT

a) Start with a ring of slow digestion and ascend in 20k turns
b) Use amulets of life saving to die and reset your hunger status
c) Drink fruit juice and from fountains
Any combination of the above, though c) is really hard to manage without
a horn of plenty and a PYEC.

{UHNH]bug?

7ab...@lebarducoin.fr (7aboir) — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 21:10:58 UT

By the way, third attemp to unnetack.
Program in disorder; you probably should S)ave and restart the process.
rn2(0) attempted...
...while reaching top of the new town branch.
T:~9507
not that it is specific UNHN bug, but, just to say.

Re: Latest Updates

jistanid...@gmail.com (Jistan Idiot) — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 21:04:15 UT

I've always wondered how do you do foodless if you cannot eat, change
form, or pray?

Re: Latest Updates

tenayaten...@gmail.com (tenaya) — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 17:38:19 UT

Foodless is more difficult though if you can not eat, change form, or
pray. Although potions can help sustain, there is only a single way
to reset the food clock and intrinsics are even harder to acquire.

Re: Latest Updates

de...@moot.its.only.a.spamtrap.org (Derek Ray) — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 16:54:00 UT

This, yes. Got my conducteers confused; sorry bout that. :)
Yep. Still indicates to me that there is a different factor at work
here; in other words, bad luck is having a more negative effect on you
than it normally would.
Player skill is effectively a constant in this case; it's just that with
so fewer tools to work with, even small instances of bad luck can end up

Re: For the Knight who has everything, what good is gold?

joao.s.san...@gmail.com (JoaoSantos) — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 14:18:46 UT

[...]
What?? Master Kaen eats Ixoths at breakfeast.
Just engrave the E-word.
solidsnail

Re: Latest Updates

joao.s.san...@gmail.com (JoaoSantos) — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 14:15:01 UT

[...]
[...]
I recently (couple of months?) did a 10 conduct monk which took me
about 60 tries. Maybe Derek was refering to that game and got mistaken
on the accounts (if so I feel flattered).
In any case, this devnull tournament I did the exact same conducts in
27 tries, with no pudding farm.
I agree that this is an extreme case that I can't pull off with a

Re: Latest Updates

chillyn...@yahoo.com (Link) — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 13:19:43 UT

I think some conducts are really unimpressive if the player completely
bypasses all the challenge the conduct is supposed to have. For
example, starting the game with a ring of slow digestion makes the
foodless conduct really unimpressive. Yes, it can be a bit
inconvenient that foodless players can't get intrinsics through eating

Re: For the Knight who has everything, what good is gold?

chillyn...@yahoo.com (Link) — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 13:09:23 UT

Some people use the gold to buy A LOT of Clairvoyance from the Valley-
of-the-dead priest, so that it's faster to map Gehennom.

Re: Applications for a drum of earthquake?

chillyn...@yahoo.com (Link) — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 13:03:16 UT

Is there a risk that the drum might create a pit underneath a monster,
which might cause the monster to fall to its death, which might break
pacifist conduct?

Re: Latest Updates

tenayaten...@gmail.com (tenaya) — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 10:28:33 UT

On Nov 25, 9:33 am, Derek Ray <de...@moot.its.only.a.spamtra p.org>
wrote:
I made a point of not using bones-pile loot in my 11-conduct
ascension. No special luck for me, just a thoroughly abused pudding
farm and a hefty dose of startscumming.
recent?
At the time I ascended an 11-conduct character I was ascending about

Re: For the Knight who has everything, what good is gold?

nat...@gmail.com (Natso) — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 07:41:37 UT

Gold is useful for points, in the end. Thing is that gems are usually
worth (in score value) more than their weight in gold. In other
words: stock up on gems, ditch the gold. If you just have spare cash
and you're not burdened when you hit up the elements, pick up a few
piles until you're burdened, drop until you're unburdened, before

For the Knight who has everything, what good is gold?

jistanid...@gmail.com (Jistan Idiot) — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 05:53:40 UT

So I'm playing a knight on NAO. Someone was watching me the other
night and sent me a few messages warning me of the dangers of Ixoth
(as an aside I know I've asked before, but how do I answer someone who
sends me a message on NAO) .
So rather than risk killing my knight, I went back up to dlvl where

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Re: Applications for a drum of earthquake?

tilmina...@googlemail.com (TJR) — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 21:03:44 UT

If playing as a pacifist, I'd probably empty the charges and use it as
a leather drum.
But if you really have a solution looking for a problem:
* You could freeze water (Medusa, Juiblex, ...), make enough pits, and
cross the area safely because fire-breathing foes do not cause holes
to flood.
* Mark the vibrating square (though I normally break a wand of digging

Re: writing Elbereth in the dust

tilmina...@googlemail.com (TJR) — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 20:42:31 UT

I like to keep ElberethElbereth in the clipboard and paste it into
Nethack whenever I see something "worthwhile" approaching, engraving
one paste-ment at a time. True, this does not protect me while
engraving, but it raises chances of success to around 91% (from around
70%) per turn. I engrave early and often, so the helpless first turn

Re: YASD

janis_papanag...@hotmail.com (Janis Papanagnou) — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 19:33:49 UT

It's an inconsistency.
Janis

Re: Applications for a drum of earthquake?

ra...@hotmail.com (Rast) — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 18:36:02 UT

Zeitgeist wrote on Sun, 22 Nov 2009 15:59:20 -0800 (PST):
The problem is, one cursed scroll of teleport can bypass the tower just
as well, assuming you have TC.
Depending on how you explore Gehennom, the c?T is likely better.

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Re: [S] Advice for first Ascension Run? [Spoilers]

ala...@tala.mede.uic.edu (Alan Schwartz) — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 14:50:56 UT

Congrats! I just ascended another Wizard who was very much
equipped like yours in the basics, but didn't have nearly
as much extra stuff. And I had lost my finger of death spellbook,
so I had to rely on MM (and +2 MB) largely.
Styles differ, so unlike the poster who uses free action and
conflict, I rarely use conflict, preferring to use free action

Re: Applications for a drum of earthquake?

faibis...@gmail.com (faibistes) — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 13:59:06 UT

I recall reading once that you can use it to create the most anoying
bones file ever: go to minetown, loot the shops and take the money and
items upstairs, destroy the minetown altar with the drum, kill the
priest, commit suicide.

Re: writing Elbereth in the dust

de...@moot.its.only.a.spamtrap.org (Derek Ray) — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 13:55:08 UT

Do not write it all at once, as that guarantees you get hit for the
turns until you're done writing. The engraving will not take effect
until then.
You have a 70% chance (approximately) of writing "Elbereth" in the dust
correctly the first time -- contrast with the 100% chance of getting hit
once if you write "ElberethElbereth".

Re: YASD

7ab...@lebarducoin.fr (7aboir) — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 13:53:46 UT

Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanag...@hotmail.com> écrivait
Agreed (and wiz-tested). But yet the question remains: is this a bug?

Re: [Spork] Latest Updates

de...@moot.its.only.a.spamtrap.org (Derek Ray) — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 13:46:03 UT

That's OK. You'll read them on the website anyway.

Re: Advice for first Ascension Run? [Spoilers]

b...@sonic.net (Ray) — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 06:00:44 UT

It's an artifact bag of holding that is sometimes available on
the Medusa level.
You need something in case your BoH gets cursed. Magicbane means
he's less likely to need it, but being able to lift at least 3-4
curses may still be crucial. Especially since he has no wands of
death. He has to rely on Finger of Death to deal with the biggest

Re: writing Elbereth in the dust

brilli...@gmail.com (Brilliand Galvin) — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 04:57:48 UT

I'd recommend writing "Elbereth" each turn - or "ElberethE" (which is
the maximum you can write instantly), because if you succeed, the
monster stops attacking immediately. Writing "ElberethElbereth" and
then "Elbereth" the following turn will (if I'm reading the spoiler
correctly) guarantee you being attacked for at least one more turn,

Re: YAFAP

brilli...@gmail.com (Brilliand Galvin) — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 04:45:34 UT

No, I wished for it like that. I got impatient when the second high
altar I checked wasn't the right one, and I had wishes to burn, so I
wished up the lightest petrifying weapon (blessed) to speed my way
through those angels.

writing Elbereth in the dust

jistanid...@gmail.com (Jistan Idiot) — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 04:31:15 UT

So normally when I have to use my finger to write Elbereth in the
dust, I write it once, get hit, then write it a 2nd time, get hit
again, then a third time, get hit, then a 4th time, and the monster
flees.
Is it better to write it all at once
'ElberethElberethElberethElber eth' will that have the same chance to

Re: YAFAP

jistanid...@gmail.com (Jistan Idiot) — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 04:28:15 UT

Congratulations!
When I first started playing I thought that would be the case, but I
think monks or knights might be the easiest.
Partly eaten chickatrice corpse??? I think you get style points for
that. Did you poly into something that was stoning resistant?
Congrats again!

Re: Advice for first Ascension Run? [Spoilers]

jistanid...@gmail.com (Jistan Idiot) — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 04:20:36 UT

Looks good to me!
I'd suggest finding the boots of levitation and boots of water
walking. Enchant and fireproof them. Levitation will be essential on
Air. Fireproof waterwalkers lets you cross lava on Fire although
levitation lets you do the same. I personally like to walk along the
ground to easily pick up that /oWishing that gets dropped by some

YAFAP

yapquest2...@yahoo.com (Brilliand Galvin) — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 04:13:36 UT

Well, I've finally ascended! Chaotic wizard, which I suspect is the
easiest role to ascend (or maybe it's just my playing style). I
rather overprepared... I was actually intending to polypile every
scroll, potion, ring and amulet in the game into something useful, but
eventually I realized that I could easily ascend, and forced myself to

Re: Applications for a drum of earthquake?

janis_papanag...@hotmail.com (Janis Papanagnou) — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 00:05:14 UT

TJR wrote:
Yep, I've seen that in the source code (see my posting a couple
days ago in this thread); works as well with ordinary leather
drums and tooled horns, so I think it's not worth introducing a
magic drum for that purpose.
With my question I was aiming at the special effect of the drum
of earthquake (creating a bunch of pits), not the effects that

Re: YASD

janis_papanag...@hotmail.com (Janis Papanagnou) — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 23:59:54 UT

With the elsethread mentioned drum of earthquake you could as well create
pits adjacent to water, AFAIR my former posting a couple years ago.
Janis

Re: Patching Nethack under Windows...

ap...@floor.tilde (APLer) — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 22:44:44 UT

Adman <aspr...@yahoo.com> wrote in
Doesn't matter. Patch is a unix utility, but you're running the version
compiled for dos with the memory extender. The same exact command with the
same exact command line options.
Not exactly sure, but it has never worked as it should since windows 95.
MS has a wierd way of handling backwards compatibility and threading.

Re: Patching Nethack under Windows...

ap...@floor.tilde (APLer) — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 22:44:40 UT

Adman <aspr...@yahoo.com> wrote in
Yes, plenty. I would send a message to the people who created the diff
file. The most successful method of patching nethack is to use gcc and the
ansii version of nethack. That would be to use djgpp exclusively in the
microsoft world and to use what comes install with linux.

Re: YASD

au...@nulle.part (7aboir) — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 22:42:38 UT

7aboir <7ab...@lebarducoin.fr> wrote in
Sorry to "up" this. But as I did not get any answers...
Is this a bug? Pit traps should not be generated next to water or at least
be filled in? When you dig yourself a pit next to water that's what's
happening. Or am I wong?
cheers!

Re: Patching Nethack under Windows...

aspr...@yahoo.com (Adman) — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 22:24:13 UT

Thanks all... I've just tried this an another computer and everything
appeared to work. There were a few "fails" in the comments section of
some of the files, but it appears to have worked.
Thanks. Sorry for all the bother. :)
Adam