On Jul 1, 11:47 am, Patric Mueller <bh...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
> Cheepicus <cheepi...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > The idea of a vampire making mixed drinks with holy water seems > > wrong. "Blessed vampire blood" itself seems like a strange notion. > The vampires in NetHack don't have any special aversion again blessed > things.
Well, I think they should :)
(They do take extra damage from holy weapons like other undead. If you really want in-game precedence for the idea that vampires don't like holy water, maybe that'll serve.)
> > B!oBlood by a Vampire: Causes damage, then cures vampirism. > > UC!oBlood by a Vampire: Heal + Nutrition > > NC!oBlood by non-vampire: Basically like a tripe ration. > > C!oBlood by Vampire: Like !oFH + full nutrition? > > C!oBlood by non-Vampire: poly into vampire. > The current code doesn't support a finer distinction of potions like > "potion of blood of <foo>" would be. Adding two potions with the same > description name can OTOH be done without a problem.
I was supposing there'd be just one potion of blood, and its quaffing effects would depend on it's BUC and the monster type of the quaffer. Not saying that the potion be overloaded with what-monster-it's-from-info. Though cursed !oBlood would imply the blood was vampire- friendly.
> And it's even easier to just rip out the code from Slash'Em than > developing it by myself. :-)
Well yeah, implementation difficulty will always restrict scope. :) That goes without saying.
> >> USA: where 100 years is a long time. > >> Europe: where 100 miles is a long distance.
> > Miles? That's some antique obsolete unit the civilized world hasn't used > > since decades, if ever..
> I think the inventors of the mile would like to have a word with you > about "never being used in the civilized world".
Only in the "city-dweller" meaning of the word "civilised". A good case can be made that the inventors of the mile were much worse barbarians than many of the people they liked to call barbarians.
> RjY <R...@sp.am> wrote: > > Patric Mueller posted: > >>The potions can be turned into water by dipping an unicorn horn into > >>them.
> > Hmm, I can't follow the thinking behind unicorn horns turning blood to > > water.
> Me neither :) but that's how it currently is in Slash'Em.
> > Presumably something fun happens when you dip garlic, but what about > > cancellation?
> In Slash'Em only the potions of vampire blood gets cleared by > cancellation, potions of blood are unchanged. That's because potions > of blood are not magical.
> I think it would make more sense if canceling a potion of vampire > blood would turn it into blood.
> Bye > Patric
Although it would require adding a new type of potion, should not a canceled potion of vampire blood become a potion of dust? "The potion turns grey and smells musty."
This leads to -- what happens when you dip a potion of dust in a potion of water?
What kinds of potions would logically turn to dust when caught in fire instead of exploding? (and if you have ever boiled away all the water in your chemistry solution you will know)
<neth...@garyolson.org> wrote: >On Jul 1, 2:01 pm, Patric Mueller <bh...@bigfoot.com> wrote: >> RjY <R...@sp.am> wrote: >> > Patric Mueller posted: >> >>The potions can be turned into water by dipping an unicorn horn into >> >>them.
>> > Hmm, I can't follow the thinking behind unicorn horns turning blood to >> > water.
>> Me neither :) but that's how it currently is in Slash'Em.
>> > Presumably something fun happens when you dip garlic, but what about >> > cancellation?
>> In Slash'Em only the potions of vampire blood gets cleared by >> cancellation, potions of blood are unchanged. That's because potions >> of blood are not magical.
>> I think it would make more sense if canceling a potion of vampire >> blood would turn it into blood.
>> Bye >> Patric
>Although it would require adding a new type of potion, should not a >canceled potion of vampire blood become a potion of dust? >"The potion turns grey and smells musty."
>This leads to -- what happens when you dip a potion of dust in a >potion of water?
>What kinds of potions would logically turn to dust when caught in fire >instead of exploding? >(and if you have ever boiled away all the water in your chemistry >solution you will know)
>Gary
Use it like the powder in The Serpent and the Rainbow.
You would have to add a new attack method/function - "Blow".
Q: "What do you want to blow?"
A: "That monster's brains out."
There are too many bad scenarios to be drawn from the blow function though, so it gets shot down like a bad acronym.
Archimedes' Lever <OneBigLe...@InfiniteSeries.Org> wrote: > On Sat, 04 Jul 2009 18:24:50 GMT, ralt...@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) wrote: > >"Erwin M." <erwin...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Richard Bos wrote: > >> > Archimedes' Lever <OneBigLe...@InfiniteSeries.Org> wrote: > >> >> On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 17:19:27 +0200, Patric Mueller <bh...@bigfoot.com>
> >> >>> NetHack auf Deutsch > >> >> I knew a post like this had to come from somewhere near Transylvania!
> >> > "Near" from a colonial POV, perhaps.
> >> Yes, that's us Yanks.
> >> USA: where 100 years is a long time. > >> Europe: where 100 miles is a long distance.
> >USA: where nobody knows that Hungary exists.
> >FYI, there is one whole country and roughly _two_ hundred miles between > >Transylvania and the nearest German-speaking country.
> What language do they speak in Transylvania?
Rumanian and Hungarian.
> Besides that, how can you not be aware of the mysticism given that the > book has been around for several decades.
_The_ book? Several _decades_? Are you perhaps thinking of Dracula? One of many books, and one that came out over a century ago? If so, you might consider that that book has about as much to do with the real Transylvania as Narnia has with real wardrobes.
> It more like a "Vampire things happened"... "over there somewhere", and > "they spoke in Germanic like accents".
Which, erm, they didn't. Unless you think that "efferie voregn aksent is Shermanik". Which, again, is more or less stereotypically USAlien, but not recommended for the real world.
> The joke was quite valid for folks on this side of the ball.
>> In Slash'Em only the potions of vampire blood gets cleared by >> cancellation, potions of blood are unchanged. That's because potions >> of blood are not magical.
>> I think it would make more sense if canceling a potion of vampire >> blood would turn it into blood.
> Although it would require adding a new type of potion, should not a > canceled potion of vampire blood become a potion of dust? > "The potion turns grey and smells musty."
I don't think that the content of the potions or the vampires have to turn to dust. It is not really canon in mythology. If they do depends largely on the in-game/in-fiction explanation of vampirism.
In NetHack killing a vampire may leave a human corpse. Only Vlad's body crumble into dust, normal vampires in NetHack don't.
In Slash'Em it's the same but there is the possibility of driving a wooden stake through the heart of vampire. Then he does turn to dust.
>> > Miles? That's some antique obsolete unit the civilized world hasn't used >> > since decades, if ever..
>> I think the inventors of the mile would like to have a word with you >> about "never being used in the civilized world".
> Only in the "city-dweller" meaning of the word "civilised". A good case > can be made that the inventors of the mile were much worse barbarians > than many of the people they liked to call barbarians.
It's always easier to see the others as barbarians than oneself.
But they knew that they were not the peak of the civilized world. That were the Greek :-) which conquered Rome culturally.
And if you worked hard enough you could become a member of the civilized world regardless where you were from.
Patric Mueller <bh...@bigfoot.com> wrote: > ralt...@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) wrote: > > "Erwin M." <erwin...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> USA: where 100 years is a long time. > >> Europe: where 100 miles is a long distance.
> > USA: where nobody knows that Hungary exists.
> > FYI, there is one whole country and roughly _two_ hundred miles between > > Transylvania and the nearest German-speaking country.
> It *was* once part of Austria-Hungary and Wikipedia tells me that > Hungary had 10% Germans in 1910. [1]
Yeah, but that was nearly a century ago, which, to USAnians, is a long time... More importantly, though, that was two World Wars and a cold one ago.
> >> > Miles? That's some antique obsolete unit the civilized world hasn't used > >> > since decades, if ever..
> >> I think the inventors of the mile would like to have a word with you > >> about "never being used in the civilized world".
> > Only in the "city-dweller" meaning of the word "civilised". A good case > > can be made that the inventors of the mile were much worse barbarians > > than many of the people they liked to call barbarians.
> It's always easier to see the others as barbarians than oneself.
True, but some of the things the Romans got up to were horrendous. And democracy? Many Germanic tribes were more democratic than the Imperium. And often had no slaves.
> But they knew that they were not the peak of the civilized world. That > were the Greek :-) which conquered Rome culturally.
Mind you, there were old-fashioned Romans who resented this. Cato Maior, for example.
"G-Mon" <gmon5...@invalid.invalid> wrote: > Kent Paul Dolan <xanth...@well.com> wrote:
> > Yeah, when you live in a country 5000 km wide, > > anything you can possibly drive in a day is "near".
I prefer "there and back again on a single tank of gasoline". My car's range is 400 miles on a tank and I can go about 500 miles one way in a day.
I definitely can't go from level 1 to the vibrating square in a single day. When I try to play that fast I die to a typo in the first several levels.
> So by that definition, Memphis, TN and Chicago, IL are near each other.
Definitely. From Chicago, Memphis is indeed "just down the road a piece". I stop there for ribs on the way to visiting my older daughter and her family.
> Well, if my dad's driving was anything to go by, anyway; I haven't > tried the drive myself and have no plans to.
And miss the extensive scenery along the Interstate highways? Why there are even points where the several types of trees are planted in different orders! If you're in Memphis you're missing the Chicago pizza. If you're in Chicago you're missing the Memphis ribs. Either are worth the trip. Chicago also has Sue the T-Rex at the Field Museum. Memphis has a really big river. No, not the Nile. That's the other Memphis.
> > USA: where 100 years is a long time. > > Europe: where 100 miles is a long distance.
> USA: where nobody knows that Hungary exists.
Cliche' politics - World peace and an end to all hunger. Nethack vegitarian and extinctionist play - Whorled peas and an end to all Hungars. Hmmm, I rather prefer my great-great-grandmother's approach of emigration out of the region to that option ...
> FYI, there is one whole country and roughly _two_ hundred miles between > Transylvania and the nearest German-speaking country.
USA - Where innumeracy is so common folks can't tell 100 from 200 so they consider both a short distance.
There's a famous New Yorker magazine cover that shows places getting closer and closer together as they get father from NYC. On it all of Europe is a small spot and all of Asia is a smaller dot next to it. Geography doesn't seem to appear in the curriculum these days.
100 is like level 1 to the Castle. 200 is like including all of the branches to the VS.
> "G-Mon" <gmon5...@invalid.invalid> wrote: >> So by that definition, Memphis, TN and Chicago, IL are near each >> other.
> Definitely. From Chicago, Memphis is indeed "just down > the road a piece". I stop there for ribs on the way to > visiting my older daughter and her family.
Sow, not unlike what we did a couple years ago: stopped in Memphis to visit an uncle, then headed on south to visit more family.
>> Well, if my dad's driving was anything to go by, anyway; I >> haven't tried the drive myself and have no plans to.
> And miss the extensive scenery along the Interstate > highways?
Okay, I admit that I was unclear there. I don't mind the drive itself, having been on longer ones before (Chicago to Sacramento, with a brief stop in Salt Lake City, anyone?), I just don't want to be in the driver's seat at any point on it. Partly because I'll miss said scenery.
> Memphis has a really big river. No, not the Nile. That's the > other Memphis.
You owe me a new monitor; my current one was on the wrong end of a spit take.
Kent Paul Dolan wrote: >the metric systemis still stubbornly unimplemented here >for common daily use
Federal laws such as the FPLA make voluntary metrication illegal for many supermarket products. Similar USDA and Treasury laws forbid the use of metric-only milk and beer labels. Many people aren't aware of these laws.
On Wed, 8 Jul 2009 11:07:23 -0700 (PDT), pat <pat.nor...@iname.com> wrote:
>Kent Paul Dolan wrote: >>the metric systemis still stubbornly unimplemented here >>for common daily use
>Federal laws such as the FPLA make voluntary metrication illegal for >many supermarket products. Similar USDA and Treasury laws forbid the >use of metric-only milk and beer labels. Many people aren't aware of >these laws.
By the same token, many engineering and manufacturing firms here in the US, particularly those in electronics, utilize metric systems of measure.
The Cincinnati Milacron, and ALL three auto makers use the metric system, and Milacron was once the biggest machine tool maker in the world. Until idiots began buying Japanese machine tools. Which were, by the way, mostly metric. The Milacron has been using it since before the early seventies.
Metric is taught in ALL the vocational schools and in ALL drafting classes and CAD classes across the nation.
I think the stubbornness lies a little closer to home, as well as the 'walking through life with blinders on' effect.
On Jul 8, 7:07 pm, pat <pat.nor...@iname.com> wrote:
> Kent Paul Dolan wrote: > >the metric systemis still stubbornly unimplemented here > >for common daily use
> Federal laws such as the FPLA make voluntary metrication illegal for > many supermarket products. Similar USDA and Treasury laws forbid the > use of metric-only milk and beer labels. Many people aren't aware of > these laws.
Clearly, the early XXI century is far too early to drag the US kicking and screaming into the late XIXth century.
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