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chris65b  
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 More options Jul 6, 6:57 am
Newsgroups: rec.games.roguelike.nethack
From: chris65b <c.w.hen...@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 13:57:19 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sun, Jul 6 2008 6:57 am
Subject: Help with prayer timeout
So, I just escaped from a very harrowing trip into Gehennom.(Fighting
two demon princes, three high level liches, and their hordes of
monsters at the same time = not my idea of a party.)

I am at my stash now, but with my cursed lev ring on I can't reach it
or the altar. After fighting all those liches, almost everything I
have is cursed (including my worn amulet and two rings, and all my
food - so hunger is quickly becoming a problem.) However, my luckstone
is still blessed so my luck should still be high. I did have to pray
fairly recently to fill my stomach, so I'm waiting for the timeout to
go down. What's the best strategy here to guarantee I get the ring
off? Should I wait as long as possible (ie, until weak or fainting)
and hope both major problems are cured? Or should I try to pray before
hunger reaches a major problem?

Another question: Since liches are being such a pain, and there's no
chance of me genociding them (illiterate game and no more thrones
exist) I'd like to make use of the Book of the Dead. Can the BoD be
read by an illiterate character outside of the invocation ritual
without breaking conduct?


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notarealu...@wireless.co.il  
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 More options Jul 6, 7:10 pm
Newsgroups: rec.games.roguelike.nethack
From: notarealu...@wireless.co.il
Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 02:10:21 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sun, Jul 6 2008 7:10 pm
Subject: Re: Help with prayer timeout
On Jul 5, 11:57 pm, chris65b <c.w.hen...@gmail.com> wrote:

> So, I just escaped from a very harrowing trip into Gehennom.(Fighting
> two demon princes, three high level liches, and their hordes of
> monsters at the same time = not my idea of a party.)

> I am at my stash now, but with my cursed lev ring on I can't reach it
> or the altar. After fighting all those liches, almost everything I
> have is cursed (including my worn amulet and two rings, and all my
> food - so hunger is quickly becoming a problem.) However, my luckstone
> is still blessed so my luck should still be high. I did have to pray
> fairly recently to fill my stomach, so I'm waiting for the timeout to
> go down. What's the best strategy here to guarantee I get the ring
> off? Should I wait as long as possible (ie, until weak or fainting)
> and hope both major problems are cured? Or should I try to pray before
> hunger reaches a major problem?

The most obvious way to remove the ring of levitation other than
uncursing it is to find a sink, and levitate over it.  Note, this will
hurt a little.

Magic traps are another option (5% chance of uncursing).

If you don't have any sinks left, you can explode the ring, if you
have a source of lightning.  Note, this may explode any and all other
rings and wands in inventory (other than wands of lightning and rings
of shock resistance), so be prepared to drop all zappable items you
don't want blown up.

From a prayer standpoint, you are probably safest waiting until nearly
fainting, eat some cursed food until you are only hungry, then pray,
while wielding some of of your cursed food.  If cursed levitation is
your only(major) problem, it should be fixed if your god is not
unhappy.  You MAY get a benefit by levitating over the altar while
praying, but I don't remember if this is true or not.

Check the prayer spoiler - http://www.steelypips.org/nethack/pray.html


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rogerb  
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 More options Jul 6, 9:30 pm
Newsgroups: rec.games.roguelike.nethack
From: rogerb <rdb_spambuc...@yahoo.co.uk>
Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2008 11:30:44 GMT
Local: Sun, Jul 6 2008 9:30 pm
Subject: Re: Help with prayer timeout

notarealu...@wireless.co.il wrote:
> On Jul 5, 11:57 pm, chris65b <c.w.hen...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I am at my stash now, but with my cursed lev ring on I can't reach it
>> or the altar.
> From a prayer standpoint, you are probably safest waiting until nearly
> fainting, eat some cursed food until you are only hungry, then pray,
> while wielding some of of your cursed food.  If cursed levitation is
> your only(major) problem, it should be fixed if your god is not
> unhappy.

... and your alignment record is positive.

> You MAY get a benefit by levitating over the altar while
> praying, but I don't remember if this is true or not.

As far as I can see, you will get the usual "benefits" from being on an
altar when levitating over it. Note however for someone with maxed out
luck and high alignment record this includes crowning. If you ensure
your luck is 9 or lower, you cannot be crowned.

> Check the prayer spoiler - http://www.steelypips.org/nethack/pray.html

Note however this is for 3.3.1; I believe there have been some changes
since then. You could also try http://nethack.wikia.com/wiki/Prayer
where the relevant sections have allegedly been updated for 3.4.3.

rogerb


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Ray Chason  
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 More options Jul 7, 1:13 am
Newsgroups: rec.games.roguelike.nethack
From: Ray Chason <chas...@newsguy.com.SPAMMEN.VERBOTEN>
Date: 6 Jul 2008 08:13:37 -0700
Local: Mon, Jul 7 2008 1:13 am
Subject: Re: Help with prayer timeout

chris65b wrote:

>I am at my stash now, but with my cursed lev ring on I can't reach it
>or the altar. After fighting all those liches, almost everything I
>have is cursed (including my worn amulet and two rings, and all my
>food - so hunger is quickly becoming a problem.) However, my luckstone
>is still blessed so my luck should still be high. I did have to pray
>fairly recently to fill my stomach, so I'm waiting for the timeout to
>go down. What's the best strategy here to guarantee I get the ring
>off? Should I wait as long as possible (ie, until weak or fainting)
>and hope both major problems are cured? Or should I try to pray before
>hunger reaches a major problem?

Try floating over a sink.  Make sure you're not wielding a cockatrice
corpse.

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 More options Jul 7, 3:19 am
Newsgroups: rec.games.roguelike.nethack
From: chris65b <c.w.hen...@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 10:19:25 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Mon, Jul 7 2008 3:19 am
Subject: Re: Help with prayer timeout
On Jul 6, 11:13 am, Ray Chason <chas...@newsguy.com.SPAMMEN.VERBOTEN>
wrote:

Thanks, guys. I prayed at weak, and got not just the ring, but every
worn item uncursed, my stomach filled, and a golden glow. I don't know
how lucky that was but I'm going to be super pious for a while. Now I
just have to get geared up before braving Gehennom again.

> Try floating over a sink.  Make sure you're not wielding a cockatrice
> corpse.

That is a new one for me - I'll have to keep that in mind for a
similar situation. There were no sinks generated in this game, which
also makes ring ID a little tricky.

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