I am still laughing, as I am sure you are, over his clear implication that I am an Ayn Rand devotee, and his subsequent attempts to weasel out of his implication when you confronted him about it.
I was a Randian at one time. I have read both the Fountainhead and Atlas Shrugged many times.
*** This explains your insanity a little ***
I greatly admire Rand's intellect. I attended one of her lectures in 1968 in Boston, when she was at the height of her powers. As soon as she started speaking, you knew for sure that you were in the presence of a great mind. *** And this explains it a lot. ***
I still agree with her analysis of logic as the foundation for all knowledge, as well as her analysis of creative geniuses versus second handers.
I just disagree with her about what is in my enlightened self- interest. I believe it is in my own self-interest to live in a society where there are no homeless people and no one lives in extreme poverty. And I believe it is a proper role of government to levy taxes to fund the elimination of homelessness and poverty. Our society is wealthy enough to perform this function without imposing an onerous tax burden on the producers of wealth. Cut the defense budget in half, and you would have more than enough money to end homelessness and poverty forever.
But that's just me. I'm a liberal Democrat. What do I know? *** Not much, but that's irrespective of your political affiliation
>> I am still laughing, as I am sure you are, over his clear implication >> that I am an Ayn Rand devotee, and his subsequent attempts to weasel >> out of his implication when you confronted him about it.
> He's a gem, that Beldin. I don't know why you would want him gone, not > that you can get rid of him, mind you. You can't cut self delusion like > his, it's impossible. I spent a good deal of time, in person, and with > many others trying to cut the self delusion of another person just like > him and he was my roommate. I could do it for 24 hours straight, with > every person he knew agreeing that he was a douche, and never once did his > opinion (like Beldin's) change.
Follow, you shit out of your mouth almost as much as you shit out of your ass.
You're clueless about so much, yet babble about it anyway.
You're an extreme nutbag, like Willie. Just extreme in a different direction.
> Best thing to do with a personality like this is just enjoy the nutty and > poke from a few different angles to see what sort of reaction you get.
>> I was a Randian at one time. I have read both the Fountainhead and >> Atlas Shrugged many times.
>> I greatly admire Rand's intellect. I attended one of her lectures in >> 1968 in Boston, when she was at the height of her powers. As soon as >> she started speaking, you knew for sure that you were in the presence >> of a great mind.
>> I still agree with her analysis of logic as the foundation for all >> knowledge, as well as her analysis of creative geniuses versus second >> handers.
>> I just disagree with her about what is in my enlightened self- >> interest. I believe it is in my own self-interest to live in a >> society where there are no homeless people and no one lives in extreme >> poverty. And I believe it is a proper role of government to levy >> taxes to fund the elimination of homelessness and poverty. Our >> society is wealthy enough to perform this function without imposing an >> onerous tax burden on the producers of wealth. Cut the defense budget >> in half, and you would have more than enough money to end homelessness >> and poverty forever.
>> But that's just me. I'm a liberal Democrat. What do I know?
>> William Coleman (ramashiva)
> At least you've obviously spent time forming an opinion on the matter, > most can't do anything but regurgitate another party line or twelve.
Like yourself.
And most of the people in this group of course. Not like me, as my politics don't fit ANYONE'S party line.
For
> myself, I am opposed to the use of force to separate property from a > person, no matter what sort of "higher purpose" that property is intended > for. I don't mind socialized nations, as long as people choose to live > there and are allowed to go if they don't want to keep living there. What > I worry about is that there won't be a nation for a person like myself to > live if I choose *not* to live in a socialized nation.
You fail to realize that you are not capable of self-sustaining without the rest of society. You NEED the rest of the system, or you'll die pretty damn quick.
> > Excellent. I thought about doing this, but I am just not creative in > that way. Great job. > *** > A shit for brains like you would think so. > It sucks. > It's a Lennon song, for christ's sake- Hide quoted text
It's an amusing _adaptation_ of a Lenon song that fits with the "theme" of this thread. As you know, I don't have anything _like_ the negative opinion of you that most people on this thread to but it _was_ funny and he beat me to writing something similar. Show some sportsmanship and a sense of humor. *** I had a firm rule to avoid the Beatles as a base for any of my tunes.... too many people are too touchy about them.
> Please take a look at RGP when Beldin is not posting. Nice peaceful > newsgroup with a variety of topics being discussed in a relatively > civil manager.
Make that "civil manner". *** Power-mad idiot slip of the tounge.
On Nov 3, 8:10 am, "Raider Fan" <raidersgotscrew...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 2 2009 10:00 AM, Will in New Haven wrote:
> > It's an amusing _adaptation_ of a Lenon song that fits with the > > "theme" of this thread. As you know, I don't have anything _like_ the > > negative opinion of you that most people on this thread to but it > > _was_ funny and he beat me to writing something similar. Show some > > sportsmanship and a sense of humor.
> Why not ask for world peace while you're at it?
Where did you get the impression that I _want_ world peace?
On Nov 3, 6:15 am, Will in New Haven <bill.re...@taylorandfrancis.com> wrote:
> On Nov 3, 8:10 am, "Raider Fan" <raidersgotscrew...@hotmail.com> > wrote: > > On Nov 2 2009 10:00 AM, Will in New Haven wrote: > > > It's an amusing _adaptation_ of a Lenon song that fits with the > > > "theme" of this thread. As you know, I don't have anything _like_ the > > > negative opinion of you that most people on this thread to but it > > > _was_ funny and he beat me to writing something similar. Show some > > > sportsmanship and a sense of humor. > > Why not ask for world peace while you're at it? > Where did you get the impression that I _want_ world peace?
Whoosh!! That one went right over your head, Will. Rare for you. He was saying that you might as well ask for world peace as ask Beldin to show some sportsmanship and sense of humor, especially with regard to a song which mocks Beldin.
> On Nov 3, 6:15 am, Will in New Haven <bill.re...@taylorandfrancis.com> > wrote:
> > On Nov 3, 8:10 am, "Raider Fan" <raidersgotscrew...@hotmail.com> > > wrote: > > > On Nov 2 2009 10:00 AM, Will in New Haven wrote: > > > > It's an amusing _adaptation_ of a Lenon song that fits with the > > > > "theme" of this thread. As you know, I don't have anything _like_ the > > > > negative opinion of you that most people on this thread to but it > > > > _was_ funny and he beat me to writing something similar. Show some > > > > sportsmanship and a sense of humor. > > > Why not ask for world peace while you're at it? > > Where did you get the impression that I _want_ world peace?
> Whoosh!! That one went right over your head, Will. Rare for you. He > was saying that you might as well ask for world peace as ask Beldin to > show some sportsmanship and sense of humor, especially with regard to > a song which mocks Beldin.
Apparently you really think I didn't know that. That was obviously what he meant. My question stands.
> On Nov 3, 8:10 am, "Raider Fan" <raidersgotscrew...@hotmail.com> > wrote: > > On Nov 2 2009 10:00 AM, Will in New Haven wrote: > > > It's an amusing _adaptation_ of a Lenon song that fits with the > > > "theme" of this thread. As you know, I don't have anything _like_ the > > > negative opinion of you that most people on this thread to but it > > > _was_ funny and he beat me to writing something similar. Show some > > > sportsmanship and a sense of humor. > > Why not ask for world peace while you're at it? > Where did you get the impression that I _want_ world peace?
Whoosh!! That one went right over your head, Will. Rare for you. He was saying that you might as well ask for world peace as ask Beldin to show some sportsmanship and sense of humor, especially with regard to a song which mocks Beldin.
*** Wow, shithead. *I* wrote a song that mocked Beldin
> Follow, you shit out of your mouth almost as much as you shit out of your > ass.
> You're clueless about so much, yet babble about it anyway.
> You're an extreme nutbag, like Willie. Just extreme in a different > direction.
You'll understand if I dismiss these comments as the rantings of an illiterate. You've never once shown me that you've read anything I've said. Notice that it only took one "discussion" with you to realize that it wouldn't ever happen again. Now I just poke at you, never "discuss" anything with you.
See how my opinions have changed and I've learned things? I've learned that you're an incomparable lout, and complete moron. Therefore I treat you like one. And you said I've never shown you signs that I've learned anything from my discussions with you. You were wrong, now kindly admit it.
> Like yourself.
> And most of the people in this group of course. > Not like me, as my politics don't fit ANYONE'S party line.
Yes Beldin, you're the only special one on the planet. Congratulations.
> You fail to realize that you are not capable of self-sustaining without the > rest of society. > You NEED the rest of the system, or you'll die pretty damn quick.
Please make a checklist of things I need so that I make sure not to leave home without them in the future. I appreciate it.
<robbie.buck...@spin.net.au> wrote: >On Nov 2 2009 4:04 PM, ramashiva wrote:
>> Please take a look at RGP when Beldin is not posting. Nice peaceful >> newsgroup with a variety of topics being discussed in a relatively >> civil manager.
>> Now watch what happens when Beldin shows up in a few hours and starts >> shotgunning his demented spew of lies and hate into every thread.
>> He is being shunned by most of the people who regularly reply to him. >> Please do not give this toxic troll encouragement by replying to him.
>> Just let him go totally on tilt when he gets no replies. When Beldin >> is totally on tilt, he is no longer totally irritating. He is totally >> hilarious.
>> William Coleman (ramashiva)
>Sorry in advance, but I just couldn't resist this. >Due apologies to Mr. Lennon.
>Imagine there's no Beldin >The Sorceror expunged >No need to see the rantings >Of retard number one >Imagine all RG People >Posting Civilly
>Imagine there's no Beldin >It isn't hard to do >Just ignore the stupid fucker >And the drivel that he spews >Imagine all RG People >Living life in peace
>You may say that I'm a dreamer >But all it takes is all to shun >And if somebody should falter >Twenty bucks for everyone
>Imagine no rebuttals >From that horrid little man >We tried to bring him reason >Now I feel that no-one can >Imagine no RG People >Talking to this turd
>You may say that I'm a dreamer >But all it takes is all to shun >And if somebody should falter >Twenty bucks for everyone
>--- >RecGroups : the community-oriented newsreader : www.recgroups.com
Alim Nassor blithered: "I'm still waiting for my nickname from Travel. Seems like you gotta have a Travel nickname before you are considered somebody on the news group."
I wrote: I wrote:
No, some, as in your case, would still be a nobody with a name. Why waste a name.
Alim Nassor whined: Aw, now my wittle feewings are hurt. LOL
I wrote:
Then you'll just have to learn to think before you blither, won't you.
> On Nov 3, 2:13 am, "Lab Rat" <robbie.buck...@spin.net.au> wrote:
> > On Nov 3 2009 5:59 PM, ramashiva wrote: > > > On Nov 2, 11:35 pm, "Lab Rat" <robbie.buck...@spin.net.au> wrote: > > > > On Nov 2 2009 11:09 PM, ramashiva wrote: > > > > > Excellent. I thought about doing this, but I am just not creative in > > > > > that way. Great job. > > > > > I hereby proclaim Lab Rat's adaptation of Lennon's "Imagine" the > > > > > official anthem of the Shun Beldin Society. SBS for short. > > > > > William Coleman (ramashiva) > > > > So, does this mean I can join the prop bet? I don't have Beldin killfiled.. > > > Absolutely. You want in? Are you sure you understand the exact > > > rules? > > > Tell me what they are, and you are in. > > > If you don't know, I will tell you the rules. > > > William Coleman (ramashiva) > > Anyone in the prop bet who responds to a Beldin post, or a post > > immediately responding to a Beldin post, pays all others in the prop bet > > $20. This includes sockpuppets, not that I have any anyway. > > Correct?
> Correct. You are in. Hopefully we won't have to deal with the > sockpuppet issue. Despite the claims of Beldin and others, I do not > use sockpuppets. If evidence emerges that sockpuppets are being used > to circumvent the prop bet rules, we will deal with it at this time.
> Got that, Alim? There are now three of us in the Ignore Prop Bet for > Beldin --
On Nov 2, 1:04 am, ramashiva <ramash...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Please take a look at RGP when Beldin is not posting. Nice peaceful > newsgroup with a variety of topics being discussed in a relatively > civil manager.
> Now watch what happens when Beldin shows up in a few hours and starts > shotgunning his demented spew of lies and hate into every thread.
> He is being shunned by most of the people who regularly reply to him. > Please do not give this toxic troll encouragement by replying to him.
> Just let him go totally on tilt when he gets no replies. When Beldin > is totally on tilt, he is no longer totally irritating. He is totally > hilarious.
> William Coleman (ramashiva)
Just to add to the amateur songwriting. For those who don't know what the tune should be instantly, there's no hope for you.
RamaShiva Won’t you get out of my head RamaShiva Won’t you get out of my head Can you show me A picture of that stripper, While she’s lying on your bed. Can you show me RamaShiva RamaShiva I'm gonna read your nrxt ten posts. RamaShiva I'm gonna read your nrxt ten posts. And I'll be there To see your wedding with that stripper. Maybe that will shut you up. Yes I'll be there RamaShiva
> On Nov 3 2009 6:48 AM, Beldin the Sorcerer wrote:
>> Follow, you shit out of your mouth almost as much as you shit out of your >> ass.
>> You're clueless about so much, yet babble about it anyway.
>> You're an extreme nutbag, like Willie. Just extreme in a different >> direction.
> You'll understand if I dismiss these comments as the rantings of an > illiterate. You've never once shown me that you've read anything I've > said. Notice that it only took one "discussion" with you to realize that > it wouldn't ever happen again. Now I just poke at you, never "discuss" > anything with you.
This is WHY you're a shithead. EVERY response to you shows I read every word you post, moron. This is because I RESPOND to every word you post.
> See how my opinions have changed and I've learned things? I've learned > that you're an incomparable lout, and complete moron. Therefore I treat > you like one. And you said I've never shown you signs that I've learned > anything from my discussions with you. You were wrong, now kindly admit > it.
No, son. The point is to learn something TRUE, not jump to some moronic conclusion, like you did yet again.
Your whole "government isn't permitted unless it can be denied" rant shows you don't live in the real world.
And, you incredible shithead, you seemed amazed that I got your point at once. It was rather obvious, and so I'm amused that you thought it'd be hard.
The sad fact is, you know very little about life. And you know less about how dependent you are on other people for nearly everything you use every day.
Let's see how bright you really are. WHY can't you reason out morality? This is the fundamental flaw of Randian thought. It explains wars throughout history, and massive political differences.
>> Like yourself.
>> And most of the people in this group of course. >> Not like me, as my politics don't fit ANYONE'S party line.
> Yes Beldin, you're the only special one on the planet. Congratulations.
No, not special. Just not programmed
>> You fail to realize that you are not capable of self-sustaining without >> the >> rest of society. >> You NEED the rest of the system, or you'll die pretty damn quick.
> Please make a checklist of things I need so that I make sure not to leave > home without them in the future. I appreciate it.
Food Clothing Shelter Medical care Electricity Clean, potable water Transportation
> This is WHY you're a shithead. > EVERY response to you shows I read every word you post, moron. > This is because I RESPOND to every word you post.
Right, must be that neither I, nor anyone else understand that you're responding rather than just being a twit. Got it.
www.hop.com (just in case you ever do think you need to read)
> No, son. > The point is to learn something TRUE, not jump to some moronic conclusion, > like you did yet again.
> Your whole "government isn't permitted unless it can be denied" rant shows > you don't live in the real world.
> And, you incredible shithead, you seemed amazed that I got your point at > once. > It was rather obvious, and so I'm amused that you thought it'd be hard.
No, what you did was completely miss the point, over and over and over. It's incredible your ability to do that, even now. When I tell you outright that nothing you say is taken seriously and all I'm ever going to do with you is continually fuck with you because I find your jackassery amusing, you keep responding to me as though I'm speaking to you on some other level. Again your comprehension goes right out the window. Even when I say these things, you still keep trying to respond, because you can't read.
You still don't get it, no matter how plainly I spell it. I just can't believe how much it chaps your ass that I won't respond to you in any other way than this, but you keep acting the same way that got me to respond to you in this way in the first place. Are you sure you get it, tardo?
> The sad fact is, you know very little about life. And you know less about > how dependent you are on other people for nearly everything you use every > day.
> Let's see how bright you really are. WHY can't you reason out morality? This > is the fundamental flaw of Randian thought. > It explains wars throughout history, and massive political differences.
Your reasonometer is broken, has been for a while. Please send it in for service.
> No, not special. > Just not programmed
Syntax error on line 10. Logical loop... 11010010011101010100111001000........
> Food > Clothing > Shelter > Medical care > Electricity > Clean, potable water > Transportation
> You getting any of this yet? > Probably not
You're awesome, thank you for being a good friend. I'll make sure to make my list with my crayons before going out tomorrow. Then maybe later, we can play with some blocks together.
> I am still laughing, as I am sure you are, over his clear implication > that I am an Ayn Rand devotee, and his subsequent attempts to weasel > out of his implication when you confronted him about it.
> I was a Randian at one time. I have read both the Fountainhead and > Atlas Shrugged many times.
> *** > This explains your insanity a little > ***
So what you're doing right here is admitting that you've never read either of those books, right? Just want to be sure. Since you were such a god damn expert a minute ago on Rand.
> On Nov 3 2009 6:50 PM, Beldin the Sorcerer wrote:
>> This is WHY you're a shithead. >> EVERY response to you shows I read every word you post, moron. >> This is because I RESPOND to every word you post.
> Right, must be that neither I, nor anyone else understand that you're > responding rather than just being a twit. Got it.
Most people understand just fine. You don't, being an idiot, of course.
> www.hop.com (just in case you ever do think you need to read)
>> No, son. >> The point is to learn something TRUE, not jump to some moronic >> conclusion, >> like you did yet again.
>> Your whole "government isn't permitted unless it can be denied" rant >> shows >> you don't live in the real world.
>> And, you incredible shithead, you seemed amazed that I got your point at >> once. >> It was rather obvious, and so I'm amused that you thought it'd be hard.
> No, what you did was completely miss the point, over and over and over.
No, shithead, I pointed out you're oblivious THAT'S your problem, fucknut. And Pepe agreed with me.
> It's incredible your ability to do that, even now. When I tell you > outright that nothing you say is taken seriously and all I'm ever going to > do with you is continually fuck with you because I find your jackassery > amusing, you keep responding to me as though I'm speaking to you on some > other level. Again your comprehension goes right out the window. Even > when I say these things, you still keep trying to respond, because you > can't read.
No, fuckhead. See, AGAIN, this shows that you're a shithead. OTHER people read this, see how stupid your position is, and laugh at your stupidity. Doesn't matter if you aren't trying, you're still a total fucking moron
> You still don't get it, no matter how plainly I spell it. I just can't > believe how much it chaps your ass that I won't respond to you in any > other way than this, but you keep acting the same way that got me to > respond to you in this way in the first place. Are you sure you get it, > tardo?
WOW, you're totally dense. ANY TIME, shithead, you take a position in public that someone can rip to shreds, you look like the fucking imbecile you are. It DOESN'T MATTER if you tell yourself you're just fucking around, you STILL look like a fucking shit for brains. And much more importantly, MOST people don't KNOW you're fucking around and are convinced you MUST be a complete retard. It's win-win for me, shit for brains. Keep it up.
>> The sad fact is, you know very little about life. And you know less about >> how dependent you are on other people for nearly everything you use every >> day.
>> Let's see how bright you really are. WHY can't you reason out morality? >> This >> is the fundamental flaw of Randian thought. >> It explains wars throughout history, and massive political differences.
> Your reasonometer is broken, has been for a while. Please send it in for > service.
> Syntax error on line 10. Logical loop... > 11010010011101010100111001000........
>> Food >> Clothing >> Shelter >> Medical care >> Electricity >> Clean, potable water >> Transportation
>> You getting any of this yet? >> Probably not
> You're awesome, thank you for being a good friend. I'll make sure to make > my list with my crayons before going out tomorrow. Then maybe later, we > can play with some blocks together.
>> I am still laughing, as I am sure you are, over his clear implication >> that I am an Ayn Rand devotee, and his subsequent attempts to weasel >> out of his implication when you confronted him about it.
>> I was a Randian at one time. I have read both the Fountainhead and >> Atlas Shrugged many times.
>> *** >> This explains your insanity a little >> ***
> So what you're doing right here is admitting that you've never read either > of those books, right? Just want to be sure. Since you were such a god > damn expert a minute ago on Rand.
*** Where did that say that, shithead? You drunk, or just delusional?
On Nov 4 2009 12:55 AM, Beldin the Sorcerer wrote:
(in an ideal world Beldin would respond like this:)
> > Right, must be that neither I, nor anyone else understand that you're > > responding rather than just being a twit. Got it. > Holy bejeebus, you're right! Everyone DOES keep calling me a twit. > I should really rethink things, thanks Follow!
No problem, surprised it took your dumb ass this long to get it.
> > No, what you did was completely miss the point, over and over and over.
> You're right, I did miss it. > Would you please restate, I promise to read this time. > Man, even Pepe has been posting in a more intelligent fashion than I have.
It's ok, Beldin, let it out. Let's just drop that issue and move on with life.
> > It's incredible your ability to do that, even now. When I tell you > > outright that nothing you say is taken seriously and all I'm ever going to > > do with you is continually fuck with you because I find your jackassery > > amusing, you keep responding to me as though I'm speaking to you on some > > other level. Again your comprehension goes right out the window. Even > > when I say these things, you still keep trying to respond, because you > > can't read. > HA! Now I see what you were doing, Follow. > What a complete fucking douche I've been! > OTHER people can read this, and see how dumb I've been. Sorry everyone!
It's ok Beldin, I'm pretty sure you can still make friends with people now that you've turned a new leaf. Congrats.
It takes a big man to admit he's been a jackhole for a long time and decides to try to claw his way out of the killfile through civility. You've come a long way tonight, Beldin, I'm sure everyone appreciates it.
Outside of the Twilight Zone my reply to Beldin would be snickers in the background, not worth posting to the NG.
> On Nov 4 2009 12:55 AM, Beldin the Sorcerer wrote:
> (in an ideal world, Follow wouldn't post like a drunken retard)
(In an ideal world, Follow would be able to avoid being a shithead) Beldin, liste, I'll get my head out of my ass and stop thinking with what it produces! I might actually rent a clue!
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