I don't know if anyone's heard, but the final table of the WSOP Main Event is this weekend. Thought I'd start a discussion on the level of poker skill among the final nine. Here's my ranking:
1. Phil Ivey 2. Jeff Shulman 3. Eric Buchman 4. James Akenhead 5. Joe Cada 6. Kevin Schaffel 7. Antoine Saout 8. Darvin Moon 9. Steven Begleiter
Note: This is not how I think they will finish in the tournament, just how I judge each person's capability based on their play.
> I don't know if anyone's heard, but the final table of the WSOP Main Event > is this weekend. Thought I'd start a discussion on the level of poker > skill among the final nine. Here's my ranking:
> 1. Phil Ivey > 2. Jeff Shulman > 3. Eric Buchman > 4. James Akenhead > 5. Joe Cada > 6. Kevin Schaffel > 7. Antoine Saout
Seems good up to this point. Let me make some slight changes:
> 1. Darvin Moon
If he gets cards like he was getting, and morons playing into him like they did. If he doesn't get cards:
9. Darvin Moon
> 3572. Steven Begleiter
I realize there's only 9 people at the final table, but this guy's ranking needs to go way down.
> > I don't know if anyone's heard, but the final table of the WSOP Main Event > > is this weekend. Thought I'd start a discussion on the level of poker > > skill among the final nine. Here's my ranking:
> > 1. Phil Ivey > > 2. Jeff Shulman > > 3. Eric Buchman > > 4. James Akenhead > > 5. Joe Cada > > 6. Kevin Schaffel > > 7. Antoine Saout
> Seems good up to this point. Let me make some slight changes:
> > 1. Darvin Moon
> If he gets cards like he was getting, and morons playing into him like > they did. If he doesn't get cards:
> 9. Darvin Moon
> > 3572. Steven Begleiter
> I realize there's only 9 people at the final table, but this guy's ranking > needs to go way down.
i was amazed at how poorly he played the hands they featured. the other terrible player was the suckout king mamoire or something. amazing how far guys like that can get.
mo_charles
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Not sure we have enough hands to rate the strength of the amateurs. Probably the worst play so far belongs to the guy who mucked the winning flush after all the betting was complete in a 2,000,000 pot!
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> > > I don't know if anyone's heard, but the final table of the WSOP Main Event > > > is this weekend. Thought I'd start a discussion on the level of poker > > > skill among the final nine. Here's my ranking:
> > > 1. Phil Ivey > > > 2. Jeff Shulman > > > 3. Eric Buchman > > > 4. James Akenhead > > > 5. Joe Cada > > > 6. Kevin Schaffel > > > 7. Antoine Saout
> > Seems good up to this point. Let me make some slight changes:
> > > 1. Darvin Moon
> > If he gets cards like he was getting, and morons playing into him like > > they did. If he doesn't get cards:
> > 9. Darvin Moon
> > > 3572. Steven Begleiter
> > I realize there's only 9 people at the final table, but this guy's ranking > > needs to go way down.
> i was amazed at how poorly he played the hands they featured. the other > terrible player was the suckout king mamoire or something. amazing how > far guys like that can get.
> mo_charles
I have been telling you people for years that the WSOP and tournament poker is simply a mine field of mathmatical hurdles and the people that are left are simply the ones that jumped the most fences .
IT AINT POKER
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> Not sure we have enough hands to rate the strength of the amateurs. > Probably the worst play so far belongs to the guy who mucked the winning > flush after all the betting was complete in a 2,000,000 pot!
lol... you shouldnt oughtta said dat !!
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> > Not sure we have enough hands to rate the strength of the amateurs. > > Probably the worst play so far belongs to the guy who mucked the winning > > flush after all the betting was complete in a 2,000,000 pot!
> lol... you shouldnt oughtta said dat !!
It was extremely obvious that Ivey was exhausted. He was yawning nearly every time they showed him. It was widely reported on 2+2 at the time that Ivey was playing at Bellagio all night every night and was getting no sleep. If you watch the hand you see he never looks back at his cards, so he probably just remembered the hand as "8-8" not "8spades-8hearts" (or whatever it was). He didn't know he had the flush, and was so tired he didn't think to look at the suits.
Doesn't make him a "tv scooter moron" though.
> Just when you think that youve been gypped ..the bearded lady comes and > does a double back flip!!! John Hiatt in "Buffalo River Home"
> > > Not sure we have enough hands to rate the strength of the amateurs. > > > Probably the worst play so far belongs to the guy who mucked the winning > > > flush after all the betting was complete in a 2,000,000 pot!
> > lol... you shouldnt oughtta said dat !!
> It was extremely obvious that Ivey was exhausted. He was yawning nearly > every time they showed him. It was widely reported on 2+2 at the time > that Ivey was playing at Bellagio all night every night and was getting no > sleep. If you watch the hand you see he never looks back at his cards, so > he probably just remembered the hand as "8-8" not "8spades-8hearts" (or > whatever it was). He didn't know he had the flush, and was so tired he > didn't think to look at the suits.
> Doesn't make him a "tv scooter moron" though.
> > Just when you think that youve been gypped ..the bearded lady comes and > > does a double back flip!!! John Hiatt in "Buffalo River Home"
I completely understand what he did . My remark was aimed at the newbie coming here and trying to tarnish the God-like status the TVSM's here have reserved for him .
I seem to remember pissing off some of the regulars here with some of the things I know about some of their icons .
You are so blinded by childish hatred that you cannot even read any more !!
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> I don't know if anyone's heard, but the final table of the WSOP Main Event > is this weekend. Thought I'd start a discussion on the level of poker > skill among the final nine. Here's my ranking:
> 1. Phil Ivey > 2. Jeff Shulman > 3. Eric Buchman > 4. James Akenhead > 5. Joe Cada > 6. Kevin Schaffel > 7. Antoine Saout > 8. Darvin Moon > 9. Steven Begleiter
> Note: This is not how I think they will finish in the tournament, just how > I judge each person's capability based on their play.
> DanFan
You've got Phil Ivy ranked too high and Darvin Moon ranked too low. First, expect most of the amateurs to have gotten better in the last couple of months. Second, Darvin Moon has a massive chip stack and the guy has played pretty solid abc poker. His biggest fault is that he tends to limp in and slow play too much. Third, all of these guys are now millionaires and I doubt any of them are going to be in awe of Phil Ivy. Fourth, expect the amateurs to start out playing pretty tight which could help or hurt Ivy who is on a relatively short stack. Finally, the biggest factor will be if Moon, with his massive chip stack, continues to get the great cards he has had all during the tournament.
Personally, I'm rooting for Darvin Moon, just because I think he would be a hell of a lot more entertaining WSOP Champion than another twenty-something Internet know-it-all. But if Moon does win, what will it do to his life and will he end up as wrecked at Moneymaker and Gold?
Irish Mike
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>> > > I don't know if anyone's heard, but the final table of the WSOP Main > Event >> > > is this weekend. Thought I'd start a discussion on the level of poker >> > > skill among the final nine. Here's my ranking:
>> > > 1. Phil Ivey >> > > 2. Jeff Shulman >> > > 3. Eric Buchman >> > > 4. James Akenhead >> > > 5. Joe Cada >> > > 6. Kevin Schaffel >> > > 7. Antoine Saout
>> > Seems good up to this point. Let me make some slight changes:
>> > > 1. Darvin Moon
>> > If he gets cards like he was getting, and morons playing into him like >> > they did. If he doesn't get cards:
>> > 9. Darvin Moon
>> > > 3572. Steven Begleiter
>> > I realize there's only 9 people at the final table, but this guy's >> > ranking >> > needs to go way down.
>> i was amazed at how poorly he played the hands they featured. the other >> terrible player was the suckout king mamoire or something. amazing how >> far guys like that can get.
>> mo_charles
> I have been telling you people for years that the WSOP and tournament > poker is simply a mine field of mathmatical hurdles and the people that > are left are simply the ones that jumped the most fences .
> IT AINT POKER
Doggie, it's poker.
10 years ago, people used to say Tourney poker isn't poker. 5 years ago, they used to say On-line poker isn't poker. I'll bet 50-60 years ago they said stud wasn't poker. I'm sure someone once said Holdem ain't poker.
It's all the game. The difference is what your ultimate goal is.
> Personally, I'm rooting for Darvin Moon, just because I think he would be > a hell of a lot more entertaining WSOP Champion than another > twenty-something Internet know-it-all. But if Moon does win, what will it > do to his life and will he end up as wrecked at Moneymaker and Gold?
I'd guess he'd disappear ala Yang.
"This has got to be some sports-related crap, that's all Raiderfan gives a fuck about." -- Paul Popinjay 2/27/09
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> > I don't know if anyone's heard, but the final table of the WSOP Main Event > > is this weekend. Thought I'd start a discussion on the level of poker > > skill among the final nine. Here's my ranking:
> > 1. Phil Ivey > > 2. Jeff Shulman > > 3. Eric Buchman > > 4. James Akenhead > > 5. Joe Cada > > 6. Kevin Schaffel > > 7. Antoine Saout > > 8. Darvin Moon > > 9. Steven Begleiter
> > Note: This is not how I think they will finish in the tournament, just how > > I judge each person's capability based on their play.
> > DanFan
> You've got Phil Ivy ranked too high and Darvin Moon ranked too low. > First, expect most of the amateurs to have gotten better in the last > couple of months. Second, Darvin Moon has a massive chip stack and the > guy has played pretty solid abc poker. His biggest fault is that he tends > to limp in and slow play too much. Third, all of these guys are now > millionaires and I doubt any of them are going to be in awe of Phil Ivy. > Fourth, expect the amateurs to start out playing pretty tight which could > help or hurt Ivy who is on a relatively short stack. Finally, the biggest > factor will be if Moon, with his massive chip stack, continues to get the > great cards he has had all during the tournament.
> Personally, I'm rooting for Darvin Moon, just because I think he would be > a hell of a lot more entertaining WSOP Champion than another > twenty-something Internet know-it-all. But if Moon does win, what will it > do to his life and will he end up as wrecked at Moneymaker and Gold?
> Irish Mike
> OK folks, our phone lines are open and the tenth caller will win... The > Nobel Peace Prize!
Two points: 1) If you think the OP has Phil Ivey ranked too high, please tell me which of the eight non-bracelet winners (Ivey has 7 including two this year), none of whom regularly play for let alone consistently win at the stakes that Ivey does in cash games, that you would rank ahead of Ivey in terms of POKER SKILL. In case you hadn't noticed, that is how the OP was listing them in his opinion. Granted that it's somewhat subjective; still, I don't think anyone with more than half a brain wouldn't put Ivey at the top of that list.
2) What is your issue with not spelling Ivey's name correctly? It's only four freaking letters long, and it's not like it's some non-phonetic spelling like Krzyzewski.
Michael U.S. American
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> > Personally, I'm rooting for Darvin Moon, just because I think he would be > > a hell of a lot more entertaining WSOP Champion than another > > twenty-something Internet know-it-all. But if Moon does win, what will it > > do to his life and will he end up as wrecked at Moneymaker and Gold?
> I'd guess he'd disappear ala Yang.
> "This has got to be some sports-related crap, that's all Raiderfan gives a > fuck about." -- Paul Popinjay 2/27/09
He said as much in the interviews I've seen, that he'd just go back to his logging company and not become some poker pro. I respect that a lot. I'd like to see Ivey win, but if he doesn't, it's always fun to see the drooling fanboys at 4 bitch and moan about how much better they are than the guy who won the tournament, and Moon would elicit that reaction more than anyone else at the table.
Michael U.S. American
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> > Personally, I'm rooting for Darvin Moon, just because I think he would be > > a hell of a lot more entertaining WSOP Champion than another > > twenty-something Internet know-it-all. But if Moon does win, what will it > > do to his life and will he end up as wrecked at Moneymaker and Gold?
> I'd guess he'd disappear ala Yang.
Yang hasn't disappeared. He lives here in Temecula (same area as me). I've seen him at Pechanga and Elsinore when they had special events in his name and invited him to play. He has given a ton of money in charity to the local community. He may have "disappeared" from the mainstream poker tourney circuit, but he hasn't disappeared.
> "This has got to be some sports-related crap, that's all Raiderfan gives a > fuck about." -- Paul Popinjay 2/27/09
> > > Personally, I'm rooting for Darvin Moon, just because I think he would be > > > a hell of a lot more entertaining WSOP Champion than another > > > twenty-something Internet know-it-all. But if Moon does win, what will it > > > do to his life and will he end up as wrecked at Moneymaker and Gold?
> > I'd guess he'd disappear ala Yang.
> Yang hasn't disappeared. He lives here in Temecula (same area as me). > I've seen him at Pechanga and Elsinore when they had special events in his > name and invited him to play. He has given a ton of money in charity to > the local community. He may have "disappeared" from the mainstream poker > tourney circuit, but he hasn't disappeared.
Please consider my response in the context of the OP. I don't expect Moon to be in the crowd Mike mentioned and I also don't expect him to be a Raymer or Hachem.
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> > > I don't know if anyone's heard, but the final table of the WSOP Main Event > > > is this weekend. Thought I'd start a discussion on the level of poker > > > skill among the final nine. Here's my ranking:
> > > 1. Phil Ivey > > > 2. Jeff Shulman > > > 3. Eric Buchman > > > 4. James Akenhead > > > 5. Joe Cada > > > 6. Kevin Schaffel > > > 7. Antoine Saout > > > 8. Darvin Moon > > > 9. Steven Begleiter
> > > Note: This is not how I think they will finish in the tournament, just how > > > I judge each person's capability based on their play.
> > > DanFan
> > You've got Phil Ivy ranked too high and Darvin Moon ranked too low. > > First, expect most of the amateurs to have gotten better in the last > > couple of months. Second, Darvin Moon has a massive chip stack and the > > guy has played pretty solid abc poker. His biggest fault is that he tends > > to limp in and slow play too much. Third, all of these guys are now > > millionaires and I doubt any of them are going to be in awe of Phil Ivy. > > Fourth, expect the amateurs to start out playing pretty tight which could > > help or hurt Ivy who is on a relatively short stack. Finally, the biggest > > factor will be if Moon, with his massive chip stack, continues to get the > > great cards he has had all during the tournament.
> > Personally, I'm rooting for Darvin Moon, just because I think he would be > > a hell of a lot more entertaining WSOP Champion than another > > twenty-something Internet know-it-all. But if Moon does win, what will it > > do to his life and will he end up as wrecked at Moneymaker and Gold?
> > Irish Mike
> > OK folks, our phone lines are open and the tenth caller will win... The > > Nobel Peace Prize!
> Two points: > 1) If you think the OP has Phil Ivey ranked too high, please tell me which > of the eight non-bracelet winners (Ivey has 7 including two this year), > none of whom regularly play for let alone consistently win at the stakes > that Ivey does in cash games, that you would rank ahead of Ivey in terms > of POKER SKILL. In case you hadn't noticed, that is how the OP was > listing them in his opinion. Granted that it's somewhat subjective; > still, I don't think anyone with more than half a brain wouldn't put Ivey > at the top of that list.
> 2) What is your issue with not spelling Ivey's name correctly? It's only > four freaking letters long, and it's not like it's some non-phonetic > spelling like Krzyzewski.
> Michael > U.S. American
Well, first I have to ask if you are really Norman Chad? You've got your head so far up Ivey's ass that you sound just like him. As I said in my original post, I don't question Ivey's poker skill but I don't believe he is "the best poker player on the planet" as so many of you seem to do. I mean, Ivey did misread the board on a big pot and muck the winning hand. There were four spades on the board and when his opponent turned over his two pair, Ivey mucked his pair of 8s because he failed to see that his 8 of spades gave him a flush.
Now if you were talking about Ivey against eight non-bracelet winners in a cash game, I'd go with Ivey. But in this case, you're talking about a nine handed sit and go where the players start with different size chip stacks and Ivey is one of the shorter stacks.
But if you're so positive Ivey is going to win, you can always put up some money. You take Ivey to win against any one who wants to take the field to win. Step up or step off.
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On Nov 7, 12:34 pm, "Irish Mike" <ad7c...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
> Well, first I have to ask if you are really Norman Chad? You've got your > head so far up Ivey's ass that you sound just like him. As I said in my > original post, I don't question Ivey's poker skill but I don't believe he > is "the best poker player on the planet" as so many of you seem to do.
> Irish Mike
Yeah Mikey, I'm with you on this one. First they take over basketball and baseball. Now they're taking over golf. And some fool is trying to give them poker, too. Next thing you know them darkies will be wanting to play hockey. Where will it all end.
> On Nov 6 2009 12:33 PM, phlash74 wrote: > > Two points: > > 1) If you think the OP has Phil Ivey ranked too high, please tell me which > > of the eight non-bracelet winners (Ivey has 7 including two this year), > > none of whom regularly play for let alone consistently win at the stakes > > that Ivey does in cash games, that you would rank ahead of Ivey in terms > > of POKER SKILL. In case you hadn't noticed, that is how the OP was > > listing them in his opinion. Granted that it's somewhat subjective; > > still, I don't think anyone with more than half a brain wouldn't put Ivey > > at the top of that list.
> > 2) What is your issue with not spelling Ivey's name correctly? It's only > > four freaking letters long, and it's not like it's some non-phonetic > > spelling like Krzyzewski.
> > Michael > > U.S. American
> Well, first I have to ask if you are really Norman Chad? You've got your > head so far up Ivey's ass that you sound just like him. As I said in my > original post, I don't question Ivey's poker skill but I don't believe he > is "the best poker player on the planet" as so many of you seem to do. > I mean, Ivey did misread the board on a big pot and muck the winning hand. > There were four spades on the board and when his opponent turned over his > two pair, Ivey mucked his pair of 8s because he failed to see that his 8 > of spades gave him a flush.
> Now if you were talking about Ivey against eight non-bracelet winners in a > cash game, I'd go with Ivey. But in this case, you're talking about a > nine handed sit and go where the players start with different size chip > stacks and Ivey is one of the shorter stacks.
> But if you're so positive Ivey is going to win, you can always put up some > money. You take Ivey to win against any one who wants to take the field > to win. Step up or step off.
> Irish Mike
Well, at least you learned to spell Ivey's name correctly. But you still can't read. Neither the OP or myself said Ivey was going to win. I have said in other threads I won't be surprised if he finishes 8th or 9th (because I expect him to play aggressively early and try to double up). The subjective ranking in the list the OP made was of POKER SKILL, not chances to win the tournament. Given his sizable chip lead, Moon has the best chance to win the tournament, although his advantage may be somewhat lessened by his lack of experience.
In my post, I asked you a simple question, if you thought the OP had Ivey too high on the list of POKER SKILL among the November 9, which of the other eight you would put ahead of him. You then respond that you would favor Ivey over the other 8 in a cash game, which tells me you also think he's the most skilled in this group. No one said he's the best in the world (although there aren't very many better IMHO), just that he's the best among this group. You are correct that his shortish chip stack hampers his chances to win this event, but just to put things in perspective, Jerry Yang was in a similar chip position heading to the final table two years ago. If Yang could go from 8th to winning, I wouldn't bet against Ivey doing so.
Also, enough about mucking the winning hand. It's an easy mistake to make, especially for someone who'd been playing the tournament all day and then heading to Bellagio for high stakes cash games all night/early morning. The only reason the mistake was notable is BECAUSE Ivey is one of the best players in the world, not because it's uncommon for a player to focus on having his pair get rivered by an Ace and forget to double check for a flush.
Michael U.S. American
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<ad7c...@webnntp.invalid> wrote: >On Nov 6 2009 12:33 PM, phlash74 wrote:
>> On Nov 5 2009 8:47 PM, Irish Mike wrote:
>> > On Nov 5 2009 5:01 PM, DanFan wrote:
>> > > I don't know if anyone's heard, but the final table of the WSOP Main >Event >> > > is this weekend. Thought I'd start a discussion on the level of poker >> > > skill among the final nine. Here's my ranking:
>> > > 1. Phil Ivey >> > > 2. Jeff Shulman >> > > 3. Eric Buchman >> > > 4. James Akenhead >> > > 5. Joe Cada >> > > 6. Kevin Schaffel >> > > 7. Antoine Saout >> > > 8. Darvin Moon >> > > 9. Steven Begleiter
>> > > Note: This is not how I think they will finish in the tournament, just >how >> > > I judge each person's capability based on their play.
>> > > DanFan
>> > You've got Phil Ivy ranked too high and Darvin Moon ranked too low. >> > First, expect most of the amateurs to have gotten better in the last >> > couple of months. Second, Darvin Moon has a massive chip stack and the >> > guy has played pretty solid abc poker. His biggest fault is that he tends >> > to limp in and slow play too much. Third, all of these guys are now >> > millionaires and I doubt any of them are going to be in awe of Phil Ivy. >> > Fourth, expect the amateurs to start out playing pretty tight which could >> > help or hurt Ivy who is on a relatively short stack. Finally, the biggest >> > factor will be if Moon, with his massive chip stack, continues to get the >> > great cards he has had all during the tournament.
>> > Personally, I'm rooting for Darvin Moon, just because I think he would be >> > a hell of a lot more entertaining WSOP Champion than another >> > twenty-something Internet know-it-all. But if Moon does win, what will it >> > do to his life and will he end up as wrecked at Moneymaker and Gold?
>> > Irish Mike
>> > OK folks, our phone lines are open and the tenth caller will win... The >> > Nobel Peace Prize!
Sorry but that award has already been given to 0 from now to 2037 for his great service to the world.
>> Two points: >> 1) If you think the OP has Phil Ivey ranked too high, please tell me which >> of the eight non-bracelet winners (Ivey has 7 including two this year), >> none of whom regularly play for let alone consistently win at the stakes >> that Ivey does in cash games, that you would rank ahead of Ivey in terms >> of POKER SKILL. In case you hadn't noticed, that is how the OP was >> listing them in his opinion. Granted that it's somewhat subjective; >> still, I don't think anyone with more than half a brain wouldn't put Ivey >> at the top of that list.
>> 2) What is your issue with not spelling Ivey's name correctly? It's only >> four freaking letters long, and it's not like it's some non-phonetic >> spelling like Krzyzewski.
>> Michael >> U.S. American
>Well, first I have to ask if you are really Norman Chad? You've got your >head so far up Ivey's ass that you sound just like him. As I said in my >original post, I don't question Ivey's poker skill but I don't believe he >is "the best poker player on the planet" as so many of you seem to do. >I mean, Ivey did misread the board on a big pot and muck the winning hand. > There were four spades on the board and when his opponent turned over his >two pair, Ivey mucked his pair of 8s because he failed to see that his 8 >of spades gave him a flush.
He should be embarrassed over that FU.
And I agree that he is over rated. I liken him to Donovan McNabb. He is certainly a quality player but he has been elevated to a higher status by the media than warranted due to, IMHO, his color. And I am not Rush.
>Now if you were talking about Ivey against eight non-bracelet winners in a >cash game, I'd go with Ivey. But in this case, you're talking about a >nine handed sit and go where the players start with different size chip >stacks and Ivey is one of the shorter stacks.
>But if you're so positive Ivey is going to win, you can always put up some >money. You take Ivey to win against any one who wants to take the field >to win. Step up or step off.
>Irish Mike
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>> Well, first I have to ask if you are really Norman Chad? You've got your >> head so far up Ivey's ass that you sound just like him. As I said in my >> original post, I don't question Ivey's poker skill but I don't believe he >> is "the best poker player on the planet" as so many of you seem to do.
>> Irish Mike
> Yeah Mikey, I'm with you on this one. First they take over basketball >and baseball. Now they're taking over golf. And some fool is trying to >give them poker, too. Next thing you know them darkies will be wanting >to play hockey. Where will it all end.
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> And I agree that he [Ivey] is over rated. I liken him to Donovan McNabb. He > is certainly a quality player but he has been elevated to a higher > status by the media than warranted due to, IMHO, his color. And I am > not Rush.
And obviously someone who's never played against him or seen him play live.
DanFan wrote: > I don't know if anyone's heard, but the final table of the WSOP Main Event > is this weekend. Thought I'd start a discussion on the level of poker > skill among the final nine. Here's my ranking:
> 1. Phil Ivey > 2. Jeff Shulman > 3. Eric Buchman > 4. James Akenhead > 5. Joe Cada > 6. Kevin Schaffel > 7. Antoine Saout > 8. Darvin Moon > 9. Steven Begleiter
> Note: This is not how I think they will finish in the tournament, just how > I judge each person's capability based on their play.
After reading the live updates from yesterday, this is how I would rank them in terms of poker skill. Note: These rankings do not reflect the order of finish, nor are they based solely on yesterday's play, although that certainly has some influence. This list is just one observer's humble opinion:
1. Phil Ivey 2. Antoine Saout 3. Jeff Shulman 4. Eric Buchman 5. James Akenhead 6. Kevin Schaffel 7. Steven Begleiter 8. Joe Cada 9. Darvin Moon
> DanFan wrote: > > I don't know if anyone's heard, but the final table of the WSOP Main Event > > is this weekend. Thought I'd start a discussion on the level of poker > > skill among the final nine. Here's my ranking:
> > 1. Phil Ivey > > 2. Jeff Shulman > > 3. Eric Buchman > > 4. James Akenhead > > 5. Joe Cada > > 6. Kevin Schaffel > > 7. Antoine Saout > > 8. Darvin Moon > > 9. Steven Begleiter
> > Note: This is not how I think they will finish in the tournament, just how > > I judge each person's capability based on their play.
> > DanFan
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> After reading the live updates from yesterday, this is how I would > rank them in terms of poker skill. Note: These rankings do not reflect > the order of finish, nor are they based solely on yesterday's play, > although that certainly has some influence. This list is just one > observer's humble opinion:
> 1. Phil Ivey > 2. Antoine Saout > 3. Jeff Shulman > 4. Eric Buchman > 5. James Akenhead > 6. Kevin Schaffel > 7. Steven Begleiter > 8. Joe Cada > 9. Darvin Moon
> Michael
Probably pretty close (I listened to the entire audio feed). I feel bad for Saout, he played perfect.
> On Nov 8 2009 11:40 AM, DaVoice (recgroups) wrote:
> > And obviously someone who's never played against him or seen him play > > live.
> > Just sayin'
> Hey Rick, how's it going? Are you excited? It's only 11 days away!
Very sick. Been in bed or the hospital for the past 2 weeks. Trying to figure it out... Nov 22? Chargers take over AFC WEST? My sister's B-day? Just guessin'
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