Let's say a maintenance guy is replacing the the light in the ceiling of your kitchen. He cuts power to the kitchen (including the refrigerator). About how much time will need to pass before you should consider tossing out the contents of the fridge?
In article <362fba6b-1605-4fb6-b372-e264994a2...@a21g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>,
phaeton <blahbleh...@hotmail.com> wrote: > Let's say a maintenance guy is replacing the the light in the ceiling > of your kitchen. He cuts power to the kitchen (including the > refrigerator). About how much time will need to pass before you > should consider tossing out the contents of the fridge?
Replacing a kitchen light shouldn't take much time at all. I would be surprised if your refrigerator couldn't keep its contents cool during such a short period of time. Figuring out a specific amount of time depends on the quality of the refrigerator and the temperature in the room where the refrigerator is kept. You can get a good set of guidelines by contacting the company who made your refrigerator. If the power in your kitchen is going to be off overnight, then simply run a heavy extension cord between your refrigerator and a power outlet that will not be cut off while the work in your kitchen is in progress.
> Let's say a maintenance guy is replacing the the light in the ceiling > of your kitchen. He cuts power to the kitchen (including the > refrigerator). About how much time will need to pass before you > should consider tossing out the contents of the fridge?
Minimum of 12 hours, probably closer to 24 if you keep the door closed.
<blahbleh...@hotmail.com> wrote: >Let's say a maintenance guy is replacing the the light in the ceiling >of your kitchen. He cuts power to the kitchen (including the >refrigerator).
Is the maintenance guy you or someone who knows what they're doing? All you have to do is turn the switch off unless there's old cloth wiring that needs to be repaired or pig tailed.
>About how much time will need to pass before you >should consider tossing out the contents of the fridge?
Keep the door closed and you'll get 12-24 hours. But replacing a fixture shouldn't take more than an hour. Probably more like 20 minutes.
On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 19:24:01 -0800 (PST), phaeton <blahbleh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
-->Let's say a maintenance guy is replacing the the light in the ceiling -->of your kitchen. He cuts power to the kitchen (including the -->refrigerator). About how much time will need to pass before you -->should consider tossing out the contents of the fridge? --> --> -->:-) --> -->-J
about eight hours, 12 for the frozen stuff ....or you could cook it all and invite us all over ;)
Cool, thanks everyone. I was figuring i'd have at least 2-3 hours.
It wasn't me replacing it- it was the apartment maintenance guy. I wasn't home when he did it, so I don't know how long the power was off. I was guessing it might have taken him an hour tops. Judging by all the clocks I had to set, It appears that he killed power to the whole apartment.
Whoops.
Having a light that will stay on longer than 2 minutes before the ballast gives out is great, but this one is much smaller and not as bright. Boo..
phaeton wrote: > Let's say a maintenance guy is replacing the the light in the ceiling > of your kitchen. He cuts power to the kitchen (including the > refrigerator). About how much time will need to pass before you > should consider tossing out the contents of the fridge?
> :-)
> -J
How retarded is your maintenance guy?
1) No power is required to be "cut" to replace a light.
2) You let the power be cut to replace a light? How retarded are you?
> Let's say a maintenance guy is replacing the the light in the ceiling > of your kitchen. He cuts power to the kitchen (including the > refrigerator). About how much time will need to pass before you > should consider tossing out the contents of the fridge?
> :-)
> -J
Uhm, to replace a light bulb - not more than five minutes. Afterwards, I'd begin to wonder!
Uh, to replace a light fixture, after thirty minutes, I'd very much begin to wonder!
-- Mind, this "replacement" be for a 'simple' light fixture that does not exceed any current building codes, but perhaps some unanticipated problem(s) may be encountered. So, such roadblocks may present potential significant structural or code problem(s) and could need remedies that don't meet the budgetary qualifications <VBG>. IOW, SOL!
Sky, who is not an engineer of any sort(s)!
P.S. In no way should the above comment(s) be taken seriously!
-- Ultra Ultimate Kitchen Rule - Use the Timer! Ultimate Kitchen Rule -- Cook's Choice!!
<blahbleh...@hotmail.com> wrote: >Let's say a maintenance guy is replacing the the light in the ceiling >of your kitchen. He cuts power to the kitchen (including the >refrigerator). About how much time will need to pass before you >should consider tossing out the contents of the fridge?
Do you plan to leave the refrigerator door open while the light is being replaced? If not, remember: don't open the door and everything will be fine. You'll survive.
-- I love cooking with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
> On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 19:24:01 -0800 (PST), phaeton > <blahbleh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >Let's say a maintenance guy is replacing the the light in the ceiling > >of your kitchen. He cuts power to the kitchen (including the > >refrigerator). About how much time will need to pass before you > >should consider tossing out the contents of the fridge?
> Do you plan to leave the refrigerator door open while the light is > being replaced? If not, remember: don't open the door and everything > will be fine. You'll survive.
> -- > I love cooking with wine. > Sometimes I even put it in the food.
It was the light in the ceiling that had to be replaced, or so the OP stated. The fridge really had nothing to do with the light fixture. That's the funny part <g>.
Sky
-- Ultra Ultimate Kitchen Rule - Use the Timer! Ultimate Kitchen Rule -- Cook's Choice!!
> Let's say a maintenance guy is replacing the the light in the ceiling > of your kitchen. He cuts power to the kitchen (including the > refrigerator). About how much time will need to pass before you > should consider tossing out the contents of the fridge?
> :-)
> -J
Er, it's up to the 'resident' to know the fridge isn't operating in its normal condition. I meant to mention that in my other replies (my bad).
Sky
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phaeton wrote: > Let's say a maintenance guy is replacing the the light in the ceiling > of your kitchen. He cuts power to the kitchen (including the > refrigerator). About how much time will need to pass before you > should consider tossing out the contents of the fridge?
A lot longer than it takes to change a light fixture.
>> On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 19:24:01 -0800 (PST), phaeton >> <blahbleh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >Let's say a maintenance guy is replacing the the light in the ceiling >> >of your kitchen. He cuts power to the kitchen (including the >> >refrigerator). About how much time will need to pass before you >> >should consider tossing out the contents of the fridge?
>> Do you plan to leave the refrigerator door open while the light is >> being replaced? If not, remember: don't open the door and everything >> will be fine. You'll survive.
> It was the light in the ceiling that had to be replaced, or so the OP > stated. The fridge really had nothing to do with the light fixture. > That's the funny part <g>.
> Sky
I had the overhead light fixtures replaced in my kitchen a few weeks ago. They were the old 1980's type fluorescent fixtures and the ballasts had gone bad. (Sometimes the lights would come on, sometimes they wouldn't; sometimes one side would come on, sometimes the other side. Place your bets!) The electrician didn't have to cut off the electricity to install the new fixtures.
In article <362fba6b-1605-4fb6-b372-e264994a2...@a21g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>,
phaeton <blahbleh...@hotmail.com> wrote: > Let's say a maintenance guy is replacing the the light in the ceiling > of your kitchen. He cuts power to the kitchen (including the > refrigerator). About how much time will need to pass before you > should consider tossing out the contents of the fridge?
> :-)
> -J
Assuming you're smart enough to not open the door of the fridge AT ALL (put tape across it ‹ you'd be amazed at how likely you'll be to open the fridge without even thinking about what you're doing), 4-6 hours, according to this: http://www.extension.umn.edu/extensionnews/2009/keep-food-safe.html
I think that's on the light side, myself. I wouldn't worry about it for 8-12 hours. DON'T OPEN THE REFRIGERATOR. AT ALL.
If the electrician can't do the job in 8 hours, you need a different electrician. "-) -- -Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ http://web.me.com/barbschaller - Who Said Chickens Have Fingers? 10-30-2009
In article <4af18a46$0$1615$9a6e1...@news.newshosting.com>, Dave Smith <adavid.sm...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> phaeton wrote: > > Let's say a maintenance guy is replacing the the light in the ceiling > > of your kitchen. He cuts power to the kitchen (including the > > refrigerator). About how much time will need to pass before you > > should consider tossing out the contents of the fridge?
> A lot longer than it takes to change a light fixture.
Good answer! -- -Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ http://web.me.com/barbschaller - Who Said Chickens Have Fingers? 10-30-2009
> In article > <362fba6b-1605-4fb6-b372-e264994a2...@a21g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>, > phaeton <blahbleh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Let's say a maintenance guy is replacing the the light in the ceiling >> of your kitchen. He cuts power to the kitchen (including the >> refrigerator). About how much time will need to pass before you >> should consider tossing out the contents of the fridge?
>> :-)
>> -J
> Assuming you're smart enough to not open the door of the fridge AT ALL > (put tape across it ‹ you'd be amazed at how likely you'll be to open > the fridge without even thinking about what you're doing), 4-6 hours, > according to this: > http://www.extension.umn.edu/extensionnews/2009/keep-food-safe.html
> I think that's on the light side, myself. I wouldn't worry about it for > 8-12 hours. DON'T OPEN THE REFRIGERATOR. AT ALL.
> If the electrician can't do the job in 8 hours, you need a different > electrician. "-)
Do you *really* have to answer every troll that comes up with some lame assed question???
Go pickle some gherkins or something.
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jmcquown wrote: >> It was the light in the ceiling that had to be replaced, or so the OP >> stated. The fridge really had nothing to do with the light fixture. >> That's the funny part <g>.
>> Sky
> I had the overhead light fixtures replaced in my kitchen a few weeks > ago. They were the old 1980's type fluorescent fixtures and the ballasts > had gone bad. (Sometimes the lights would come on, sometimes they > wouldn't; sometimes one side would come on, sometimes the other side. > Place your bets!) The electrician didn't have to cut off the > electricity to install the new fixtures.
Did you use a qualified electrician? In theory, it is possible to change a fixture without pulling the fuse or breaker on a circuit and just turning the light switch to "off", but you would have to assume that the wiring was done absolutely to code. There should be no live feed. However, sometimes installers cross wires and put the live feed on the terminal that should be the ground wire in which case grabbing old of a ground wire could lead to a nasty surprise. I don't think that I would want an electrician working in my house who did not shut off off the power to the circuit he was working on. Perhaps your kitchen had separate circuits for the light fixture and the fridge <?>.
On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 09:38:48 -0500, "jmcquown" <j_mcqu...@comcast.net> wrote:
>I had the overhead light fixtures replaced in my kitchen a few weeks ago. >They were the old 1980's type fluorescent fixtures and the ballasts had gone >bad.
If that was the first time it happened those things were rugged. Ballasts usually go in about 5 years.
>(Sometimes the lights would come on, sometimes they wouldn't; >sometimes one side would come on, sometimes the other side. Place your >bets!) The electrician didn't have to cut off the electricity to install >the new fixtures.
The ones that have given themselves a good shock or two tend to turn off all the electricity. They don't want to take any chances. They're either the people who haven't invested a few dollars into a small tool that will tell them if there's any juice there.... or someone has walked in and flipped the switch on while they're working with bare wires. You can't be too careful when there are other people around to mess things up.
-- I love cooking with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
>>> It was the light in the ceiling that had to be replaced, or so the OP >>> stated. The fridge really had nothing to do with the light fixture. >>> That's the funny part <g>.
>>> Sky
>> I had the overhead light fixtures replaced in my kitchen a few weeks >> ago. They were the old 1980's type fluorescent fixtures and the >> ballasts had gone bad. (Sometimes the lights would come on, sometimes >> they wouldn't; sometimes one side would come on, sometimes the other >> side. Place your bets!) The electrician didn't have to cut off the >> electricity to install the new fixtures.
> Did you use a qualified electrician? In theory, it is possible to change > a fixture without pulling the fuse or breaker on a circuit and just > turning the light switch to "off", but you would have to assume that the > wiring was done absolutely to code. There should be no live feed. > However, sometimes installers cross wires and put the live feed on the > terminal that should be the ground wire in which case grabbing old of a > ground wire could lead to a nasty surprise. I don't think that I would > want an electrician working in my house who did not shut off off the > power to the circuit he was working on. Perhaps your kitchen had > separate circuits for the light fixture and the fridge <?>.
Nor would I want an electrician working in my home who wouldn't use his ohm meter to check the circuit, even if he threw the breaker for that area. Most will just use the meter to ensure the circuit is dead when they turn it off at the wall switch, saves them time is the main reason.
Having been an electrician at one point in my checkered career I always put the meter to the wires, just in case some idiot didn't wire to the National Electric Code, NFPA 70.
>>> It was the light in the ceiling that had to be replaced, or so the OP >>> stated. The fridge really had nothing to do with the light fixture. >>> That's the funny part <g>.
>>> Sky
>> I had the overhead light fixtures replaced in my kitchen a few weeks ago. >> They were the old 1980's type fluorescent fixtures and the ballasts had >> gone bad. (Sometimes the lights would come on, sometimes they wouldn't; >> sometimes one side would come on, sometimes the other side. Place your >> bets!) The electrician didn't have to cut off the electricity to install >> the new fixtures.
> Did you use a qualified electrician? In theory, it is possible to change a > fixture without pulling the fuse or breaker on a circuit and just turning > the light switch to "off", but you would have to assume that the wiring > was done absolutely to code. There should be no live feed. However, > sometimes installers cross wires and put the live feed on the terminal > that should be the ground wire in which case grabbing old of a ground wire > could lead to a nasty surprise. I don't think that I would want an > electrician working in my house who did not shut off off the power to the > circuit he was working on. Perhaps your kitchen had separate circuits for > the light fixture and the fridge <?>.
Yes, he was a qualified (licensed) electrician. He said there was no need to cut the power to the entire kitchen to replace those fixtures. But as to the OP's original question, I doubt it took any time at all to replace the fixtures so why worry about the contents of the fridge?
phaeton <blahbleh...@hotmail.com> wrote: > Let's say a maintenance guy is replacing the the light in the ceiling > of your kitchen. He cuts power to the kitchen (including the > refrigerator). About how much time will need to pass before you > should consider tossing out the contents of the fridge?
Many hours for even a bad old refrigerator. Just for reference, the Health Department guidlines in my state say food can remain unrefrigerated and be "safe" for up to 4 hours. That means sitting out at room temp. Inside a refrigerator you'd probably not get into the "danger zone" temperatures (over 41 F) for a couple hours, at least, and then you'd have another 4 hours.
Health Dept. guidelines are pretty conservative and meant for commercial food service, so you have no worries.
> Let's say a maintenance guy is replacing the the light in the ceiling > of your kitchen. He cuts power to the kitchen (including the > refrigerator). About how much time will need to pass before you > should consider tossing out the contents of the fridge?
> :-)
> -J
OMG! This is an extremely dangerous situation!!! You should empty the refrigerator of all contents at least two days in advance!!! And you have to let it sit for at least a week after the power comes back on!!!
<gsh...@bellsouth.net> wrote: >Dave Smith wrote: >> Did you use a qualified electrician? In theory, it is possible to change >> a fixture without pulling the fuse or breaker on a circuit and just >> turning the light switch to "off", but you would have to assume that the >> wiring was done absolutely to code. There should be no live feed. >> However, sometimes installers cross wires and put the live feed on the >> terminal that should be the ground wire in which case grabbing old of a >> ground wire could lead to a nasty surprise. I don't think that I would >> want an electrician working in my house who did not shut off off the >> power to the circuit he was working on. Perhaps your kitchen had >> separate circuits for the light fixture and the fridge <?>.
>Nor would I want an electrician working in my home who wouldn't use his >ohm meter to check the circuit, even if he threw the breaker for that >area. Most will just use the meter to ensure the circuit is dead when >they turn it off at the wall switch, saves them time is the main reason.
>Having been an electrician at one point in my checkered career I always >put the meter to the wires, just in case some idiot didn't wire to the >National Electric Code, NFPA 70.
Things have changed a lot since then George. Non-contact testers are under 2 bucks and once you learn their quirks they are totally accurate. Amprobe makes a circuit tracer for under a hundred bucks that is more than adequate for residential use. I recently had to mark a panel in a 35 year old - 3800 sq.ft. home that had no panel schedule and had gone through several remodels. 25 years ago it would ave been a nightmare. With the tracer I did it in about an hour without going through the turning breakers on and off stuff.
That said there was no reason to turn the whole house off. And a refrigerator should never be on a lighting circuit. It's a very rare occasion that power needs to be turned off to replace a fixture.
<blahbleh...@hotmail.com> wrote: >Cool, thanks everyone. I was figuring i'd have at least 2-3 hours.
>It wasn't me replacing it- it was the apartment maintenance guy. I >wasn't home when he did it, so I don't know how long the power was >off. I was guessing it might have taken him an hour tops. Judging by >all the clocks I had to set, It appears that he killed power to the >whole apartment.
>Whoops.
>Having a light that will stay on longer than 2 minutes before the >ballast gives out is great, but this one is much smaller and not as >bright. Boo..
It's a good thing you're past it, but it sounds like the guy who did it was a bonehead.
>> That said there was no reason to turn the whole house off. And a > refrigerator should never be on a lighting circuit. It's a very rare > occasion that power needs to be turned off to replace a fixture.
> Lou
Well, maybe if your mom is standing over by the light switch making you nervous you might want to flip the breaker. <cackle>
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