Wally wrote: > The superglue and blood reacted to > make a strange plastic looking clump, but it seems to be working fine. > Now, if the finger doesn't fall off...
I have refined my technique - if I have a clump/hump and it is interefering with my work e.g. on the tip of a finger I grab a sanding block and sand it down.
Fortunately I have not had to use this trick in the past week !!!
>>About a half hour ago I caught my ring finger (no ring) on a piece of >>ground off wire and ripped that puppy open. I soaked a paper towel >>with blood while I hunted down one of the Dollar Store 5 for $1 tubes >>of superglue. Another paper towel and I dried off the blood as best I >>could and squirted on the superglue. In a few seconds it had quit >>bleeding. Its been about 20 minutes since I treated it and it doesn't >>hurt at all - I'm typing with it. The superglue and blood reacted to >>make a strange plastic looking clump, but it seems to be working fine. >>Now, if the finger doesn't fall off...
> It won't but the superglue you bought likely has methyl alcohol in it > that can cause necrosis. The medical grade stuff doesn't use methyl > but the price is a real nose bleed. ;)
What leads you to believe that it has methyl alcohol in it?
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I usualy hold a polyethelyne (zip lock bag) over it to set it up faster or if I can't let go I put it under running water. That will set it up instantly but leaves it looking white. Karl
Frank Warner wrote: > In article <h1Ung.26830$Xn.219@trnddc05>, Shopdog <look...@aol.net> > wrote:
> > Have you ever actually used CA in wound closure?
> > The brand I use is Loctite, works great and has been used several times. > > Once for a plate glass cut and a couple of times for that nasty (I'll > > sharpen your kitchen knives) cut. If you have a clean straight cut then it > > works the best, jagged cuts are bit trickier though, In order not to have a > > large scar you must get the skin close together before closing with glue.
> Curious how you would do that. In most instances (at least on my > scarred and gnarled hands) the wound bleeds profusely for a while, > until I'm able to rinse it in clean water and apply pressure to stop > the bleeding.
> At that point you have to locate and uncap a tiny bottle of CA, perhaps > puncturing the tip if it's never been opened, and apply the stuff to > the wound, without reopening the wound, and without getting it all over > your OTHER hand.
> Then what do you do? Blow on it? Spray it with Zip-Kicker? Dip it in > baking soda? CA dries fast, but it's NOT instantaneous. How do you keep > the wound closed long enough? How do you keep from gluing one hand to > the other? How does the presence of blood interfere with the adhesive > properties of CA?
> I'm all for trying this the next time I cut myself (sometime this week, > probably), but am curious about the actual procedure.
I usualy hold a polyethelyne (zip lock bag) over it to set it up faster or if I can't let go I put it under running water. That will set it up instantly but leaves it looking white. Karl
Frank Warner wrote: > In article <h1Ung.26830$Xn.219@trnddc05>, Shopdog <look...@aol.net> > wrote:
> > Have you ever actually used CA in wound closure?
> > The brand I use is Loctite, works great and has been used several times. > > Once for a plate glass cut and a couple of times for that nasty (I'll > > sharpen your kitchen knives) cut. If you have a clean straight cut then it > > works the best, jagged cuts are bit trickier though, In order not to have a > > large scar you must get the skin close together before closing with glue.
> Curious how you would do that. In most instances (at least on my > scarred and gnarled hands) the wound bleeds profusely for a while, > until I'm able to rinse it in clean water and apply pressure to stop > the bleeding.
> At that point you have to locate and uncap a tiny bottle of CA, perhaps > puncturing the tip if it's never been opened, and apply the stuff to > the wound, without reopening the wound, and without getting it all over > your OTHER hand.
> Then what do you do? Blow on it? Spray it with Zip-Kicker? Dip it in > baking soda? CA dries fast, but it's NOT instantaneous. How do you keep > the wound closed long enough? How do you keep from gluing one hand to > the other? How does the presence of blood interfere with the adhesive > properties of CA?
> I'm all for trying this the next time I cut myself (sometime this week, > probably), but am curious about the actual procedure.
I see. Someone flunked chemistry 101. The author of that article clearly does not understand that "methyl" and "methyl alcohol" are not the same. Methyl alcohol is a methyl group (CH3) tied to a hydroxyl group (OH) to make CH3OH. Methyl cyanoacrylate is a methyl group linked to a cyanoacrylate group, there is no "OH" in sight.
This is like asserting that table salt is a deadly poison because it contains a war gas.
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J. Clarke wrote: > ... The author of that article clearly > does not understand that "methyl" and "methyl alcohol" are not the same. > Methyl alcohol is a methyl group (CH3) tied to a hydroxyl group (OH) to > make CH3OH. Methyl cyanoacrylate is a methyl group linked t...
The author does refer to methyl cyanoacrylate, but that is not the basis for assuming methyl alcohol. That is later in the article: "(Quinn & Kissick, 1994) Current use: Although not labeled as such, over-the-counter Super Glue products contain methyl alcohol, because it is inexpensive to produce."
Bob Engelhardt wrote: > J. Clarke wrote: >> ... The author of that article clearly >> does not understand that "methyl" and "methyl alcohol" are not the same. >> Methyl alcohol is a methyl group (CH3) tied to a hydroxyl group (OH) to >> make CH3OH. Methyl cyanoacrylate is a methyl group linked t...
> The author does refer to methyl cyanoacrylate, but that is not the basis > for assuming methyl alcohol. That is later in the article: > "(Quinn & Kissick, 1994) Current use: Although not labeled as such, > over-the-counter Super Glue products contain methyl alcohol, because it > is inexpensive to produce."
Yes, it appears that Quinn & Kissick are the ones who flunked basic chemistry.
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My wife got home from work Saturday afternoon, she's a Urgent Care (Doc in the Box) RN. She looked at my owie and said I needed stiches. I pointed out that I didn't need stitches since it was glued together. Taking the higher ground, I pointed out that this is an self-sacrificing experiment in the name of medical science.
I kept a piece of duct tape wrapped around it all day yesterday while I finished taking out a couple trees and stumps. When it started dripping I'd reapply the glue and duct tape. I'm replacing the fence between us and the neighbors.
This morning there is no inflamation, the tear is closing on the ends and in the middle. The glue kept the dirt out and it looks quite clean in the cut. New application of super glue and duct tape and back at the fence. Also put a drop or two on some smaller scrapes to protect them.
Didn't spring a major leak last night, I kept a bandaid around it and all went well.
<smerril...@mchsiDOT.com> wrote: >Great ! But if that really is deep/long enough to require a couple of >stitches you really ought to have a doctor look at it. Hate for it to get >infected (think gangrene, amputation) or spring a leak in the night and >drain your life's blood into your mattress :-)
>David Merrill
>"Wally" <wa...@wallyworld.com> wrote in message >news:0d5ta2hums6erruu1bk2jv3jq9vm8gij6k@4ax.com... >> About a half hour ago I caught my ring finger (no ring) on a piece of >> ground off wire and ripped that puppy open. I soaked a paper towel >> with blood while I hunted down one of the Dollar Store 5 for $1 tubes >> of superglue. Another paper towel and I dried off the blood as best I >> could and squirted on the superglue. In a few seconds it had quit >> bleeding. Its been about 20 minutes since I treated it and it doesn't >> hurt at all - I'm typing with it. The superglue and blood reacted to >> make a strange plastic looking clump, but it seems to be working fine. >> Now, if the finger doesn't fall off...
On Sat, 08 Jul 2006 14:41:22 -0700, Wally <wa...@wallyworld.com> wrote: >For those of you who might be interested...
>My wife got home from work Saturday afternoon, she's a Urgent Care >(Doc in the Box) RN. She looked at my owie and said I needed stiches. >I pointed out that I didn't need stitches since it was glued together. >Taking the higher ground, I pointed out that this is an >self-sacrificing experiment in the name of medical science.
>I kept a piece of duct tape wrapped around it all day yesterday while >I finished taking out a couple trees and stumps. When it started >dripping I'd reapply the glue and duct tape. I'm replacing the fence >between us and the neighbors.
>This morning there is no inflamation, the tear is closing on the ends >and in the middle. The glue kept the dirt out and it looks quite >clean in the cut. New application of super glue and duct tape and >back at the fence. Also put a drop or two on some smaller scrapes to >protect them.
>Didn't spring a major leak last night, I kept a bandaid around it and >all went well.
Pretty much my experience over the years. You really should keep a stock of "butterfly" bandages on hand though. Steri-strips is another trade name for them. Works better than duct tape though not as stylish <G>
btw...honey..real, out of the hive honey..not the sugar water/filler imitation shit, is marvelous for wound and burn dressing, has very Strong antibacterial properties and helps promote healing and wound closure.
Tis been said that Austrailian and New Zealand honeys are the best but all will work well. Simply pour it into the wound, and cover with gauze. This works very well for a gouge where the skin has been actually gouged out. I did this not long ago when I stupidly stuck two finger tips hard into the moving belt of my 6x48 belt sander and instantly went right down to the bone. The scars are not even noticable..though the fingerprints have yet to return.
>>Great ! But if that really is deep/long enough to require a couple of >>stitches you really ought to have a doctor look at it. Hate for it to get >>infected (think gangrene, amputation) or spring a leak in the night and >>drain your life's blood into your mattress :-)
>>David Merrill
>>"Wally" <wa...@wallyworld.com> wrote in message >>news:0d5ta2hums6erruu1bk2jv3jq9vm8gij6k@4ax.com... >>> About a half hour ago I caught my ring finger (no ring) on a piece of >>> ground off wire and ripped that puppy open. I soaked a paper towel >>> with blood while I hunted down one of the Dollar Store 5 for $1 tubes >>> of superglue. Another paper towel and I dried off the blood as best I >>> could and squirted on the superglue. In a few seconds it had quit >>> bleeding. Its been about 20 minutes since I treated it and it doesn't >>> hurt at all - I'm typing with it. The superglue and blood reacted to >>> make a strange plastic looking clump, but it seems to be working fine. >>> Now, if the finger doesn't fall off...
"If thy pride is sorely vexed when others disparage your offering, be as lamb's wool is to cold rain and the Gore-tex of Odin's raiment is to gullshit in the gale, for thy angst shall vex them not at all. Yea, they shall scorn thee all the more. Rejoice in sharing what you have to share without expectation of adoration, knowing that sharing your treasure does not diminish your treasure but enriches it."
>Tis been said that Austrailian and New Zealand honeys are the best but >all will work well. Simply pour it into the wound, and cover with gauze. >This works very well for a gouge where the skin has been actually gouged >out. I did this not long ago when I stupidly stuck two finger tips hard >into the moving belt of my 6x48 belt sander and instantly went right >down to the bone. The scars are not even noticable..though the >fingerprints have yet to return.
I recall reading of the validation of a Southern folk remedy for bedsores, which was to pack them with white sugar. All I recall was the author was a visiting physician and had an elderly patient with bedsores, and the nurse/attendant said "Just pack 'em with sugar." Why not? Couldn't hurt. So he did, and the sores healed up, and he was flabbergasted. But now he has a Special Mix" of sugar with a little betadine (sp?) that he treats such problems with.
>Gunner,
-- pyotr filipivich We didn't have these sorts of problems when I was a boy, back when snakes wore shoes and dirt was $2 a pound, if you could find it. We had to make our own from rocks!
> My wife got home from work Saturday afternoon, she's a Urgent Care > (Doc in the Box) RN. She looked at my owie and said I needed stiches. > I pointed out that I didn't need stitches since it was glued together. > Taking the higher ground, I pointed out that this is an > self-sacrificing experiment in the name of medical science.
> I kept a piece of duct tape wrapped around it all day yesterday while > I finished taking out a couple trees and stumps. When it started > dripping I'd reapply the glue and duct tape. I'm replacing the fence > between us and the neighbors.
Of course, to be a scientific study we will need a similar wound treated with bailing wire (metal content) and bubble gum :-) as a control....
I am sold. This makes the second day with no superglue, no duct tape, nothing. The cut is all closed up and healing nicely. No necrosis, no chemical burns, no finger falling off. It is truly amazing the wealth of information that passes through this newsgroup. The first aid kit has been replaced. I'm almost looking forward to the next opportunity to try the stuff out. If I had only had some handy when I hit my arm with the brushcutter....
On 10 Jul 2006 13:28:18 -0700, "TMN" <na...@vodacom.co.za> wrote:
>> My wife got home from work Saturday afternoon, she's a Urgent Care >> (Doc in the Box) RN. She looked at my owie and said I needed stiches. >> I pointed out that I didn't need stitches since it was glued together. >> Taking the higher ground, I pointed out that this is an >> self-sacrificing experiment in the name of medical science.
>> I kept a piece of duct tape wrapped around it all day yesterday while >> I finished taking out a couple trees and stumps. When it started >> dripping I'd reapply the glue and duct tape. I'm replacing the fence >> between us and the neighbors.
>Of course, to be a scientific study we will need a similar wound treated >with bailing wire (metal content) and bubble gum :-) as a control....
> - Bob Headrick
If it's of any help, I felt under a power planer before the blades had stopped turning the weekend before last... Didn't have any superglue or plasters available, so used a clean piece of rag out of the rag box and a lot of duct tape. The blades hadn't been going _very_ fast when they hit the end of my index finger. It made quite a mess until I got the third layer of duct tape on it, but the finger is ok now, a divot about 3/16" long chewed out of the end that would have glued back nicely if I'd had some glue to hand, should be finally healed in another couple of weeks.
Must build the first aid box/superglue rack for the workshop.
>>> My wife got home from work Saturday afternoon, she's a Urgent Care >>> (Doc in the Box) RN. She looked at my owie and said I needed stiches. >>> I pointed out that I didn't need stitches since it was glued together. >>> Taking the higher ground, I pointed out that this is an >>> self-sacrificing experiment in the name of medical science.
I suffered a large "flap avulsion" of the end of my right index finger a couple of months back when my very expensive Colt lockback knife didn't. I hadn't the time to drive thirty minutes to medical help and wait four hours for treatment. I also had a "hot" project under way that required constant and immediate attention (finishing an already-poured slab).
So, I CA'd the flap, taking care _not_ to fill the area inside the flap, but just to secure it at skin level. I bound it well with proper bandages, and had to repeat the treatment a couple of times over the first three days.
By day one, it had revascularized, and leaked only a little. Re-application of the CA periodically kept the leakers down, and ten days later, it was healed. The only adverse after-effect is that I cleaved the nerves to that area, so a large portion of the tip of my finger has no sensation.
Oh... and it wouldn't work a capacitive touch-pad any more (?!?). Anybody got any clues on THAT one? The tip was vascular, warm as the surrounding tissue, as moist and pliable as its surrounds, and showed only a little line of a scar. But the damned thing would NOT move the cursor on my laptop. I had to re-train my middle finger for that duty.
As time progressed, it began to jerkily move the cursor, better and better with time. But why?
I'm an ex-analog and digital circuit designer. I cannot even come up with a theory that satisfies me.
On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 18:34:16 GMT, Lloyd E. Sponenburgh <lloy...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> Oh... and it wouldn't work a capacitive touch-pad any more (?!?). Anybody > got any clues on THAT one?
If you had a layer where the skin hadn't refused to the inner part of the finger (I don't know which layers you were dealing with), then you'd have _another_ capacitor there, right?
> As time progressed, it began to jerkily move the cursor, better and better > with time. But why?
The area healed, making it more of a conductor than a cap.
> I'm an ex-analog and digital circuit designer. I cannot even come up with a > theory that satisfies me.
2 caps in series? Only thing that makes sense, and it fits the geometry of the situation for an avulsion pretty well?
>>>> My wife got home from work Saturday afternoon, she's a Urgent Care >>>> (Doc in the Box) RN. She looked at my owie and said I needed stiches. >>>> I pointed out that I didn't need stitches since it was glued together. >>>> Taking the higher ground, I pointed out that this is an >>>> self-sacrificing experiment in the name of medical science.
> I suffered a large "flap avulsion" of the end of my right index finger a > couple of months back when my very expensive Colt lockback knife didn't. > I hadn't the time to drive thirty minutes to medical help and wait four > hours > for treatment. I also had a "hot" project under way that required > constant and immediate attention (finishing an already-poured slab).
> So, I CA'd the flap, taking care _not_ to fill the area inside the flap, > but > just to secure it at skin level. I bound it well with proper bandages, > and had to repeat the treatment a couple of times over the first three > days.
> By day one, it had revascularized, and leaked only a little. > Re-application of the CA periodically kept the leakers down, and ten days > later, it was > healed. The only adverse after-effect is that I cleaved the nerves to > that area, so a large portion of the tip of my finger has no sensation.
> Oh... and it wouldn't work a capacitive touch-pad any more (?!?). Anybody > got any clues on THAT one? The tip was vascular, warm as the surrounding > tissue, as moist and pliable as its surrounds, and showed only a little > line > of a scar. But the damned thing would NOT move the cursor on my laptop. > I had to re-train my middle finger for that duty.
> As time progressed, it began to jerkily move the cursor, better and better > with time. But why?
> I'm an ex-analog and digital circuit designer. I cannot even come up with > a theory that satisfies me.
That's one that you might want to write up and submit to an appropriate journal--even if one doesn't know the why of it it's useful information to put in the general store.
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> On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 18:34:16 GMT, Lloyd E. Sponenburgh > <lloy...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>> Oh... and it wouldn't work a capacitive touch-pad any more (?!?). >> Anybody >> got any clues on THAT one?
> If you had a layer where the skin hadn't refused to the inner part of > the finger (I don't know which layers you were dealing with), then you'd > have _another_ capacitor there, right?
That would have been so, but it wasn't a skin or near-skin wound. It was darned near to the bone, and the skin never sloughed.
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