One of my main hobbies is flying RC aircraft and I now and again get cut while using a sharp blade. Something I (and some friends) use to remedy the situation without a plaster is cyanoacrylate aka super glue, CA adhesive etc. I simply hold the cut closed and apply a *small* amout of cyanoacrylate.
It bonds skin instantly and causes no pain or sensation at all - it breaks down slowly and can be dissolved with acetone or nail polosh remover.
***Danger*** Do not apply it to wet skin as this will cause a very fast reaction which will result in a burn !!!
For me this is so much better than having a plaster on (when it is on a finger etc) - I resorted to it after cutting myself on a drilled aluminium edge this week end and I was so happy with result (again!!) that I thought I would mention it.
***Note*** I am not a doctor. The cyanoacrylate used at home is not exactly the same as medical cyanoacrylate (but rc guys get this on thier fingers so much that I dont see it as an added risk). There are probably very good reasons why you should not do this.
I've used this and some medical tape to fix injuties that would normally require stitches... Only on a finger or something far away from the face, eyes, etc. of course... But the scar was much less noticeable than anything I've ever had fixed with stitches... --
A few people react to regular superglues but for most of us they will work. If you're afraid use the Bandaid version. Karl
TMN wrote: > Hi
> One of my main hobbies is flying RC aircraft and I now and again get > cut while using a sharp blade. Something I (and some friends) use to > remedy the situation without a plaster is cyanoacrylate aka super glue, > CA adhesive etc. I simply hold the cut closed and apply a *small* > amout of cyanoacrylate.
> It bonds skin instantly and causes no pain or sensation at all - it > breaks down slowly and can be dissolved with acetone or nail polosh > remover.
> ***Danger*** Do not apply it to wet skin as this will cause a very fast > reaction which will result in a burn !!!
> For me this is so much better than having a plaster on (when it is on a > finger etc) - I resorted to it after cutting myself on a drilled > aluminium edge this week end and I was so happy with result (again!!) > that I thought I would mention it.
> ***Note*** > I am not a doctor. > The cyanoacrylate used at home is not exactly the same as medical > cyanoacrylate (but rc guys get this on thier fingers so much that I > dont see it as an added risk). > There are probably very good reasons why you should not do this.
A few people react to regular superglues but for most of us they will work. If you're afraid use the Bandaid version. Karl
TMN wrote: > Hi
> One of my main hobbies is flying RC aircraft and I now and again get > cut while using a sharp blade. Something I (and some friends) use to > remedy the situation without a plaster is cyanoacrylate aka super glue, > CA adhesive etc. I simply hold the cut closed and apply a *small* > amout of cyanoacrylate.
> It bonds skin instantly and causes no pain or sensation at all - it > breaks down slowly and can be dissolved with acetone or nail polosh > remover.
> ***Danger*** Do not apply it to wet skin as this will cause a very fast > reaction which will result in a burn !!!
> For me this is so much better than having a plaster on (when it is on a > finger etc) - I resorted to it after cutting myself on a drilled > aluminium edge this week end and I was so happy with result (again!!) > that I thought I would mention it.
> ***Note*** > I am not a doctor. > The cyanoacrylate used at home is not exactly the same as medical > cyanoacrylate (but rc guys get this on thier fingers so much that I > dont see it as an added risk). > There are probably very good reasons why you should not do this.
I too use "super glue" for wound sealing (small wounds) Now if I say lop my finger off on the table saw, I don't think it reasonable to glue 'er back on!
When out in the wilderness cyanoacrylate is the best first aid item you can carry short of a doctor. A form of it was used in Vietnam to stop bleeding and increase chances for survival.it was even used on severe chest wounds in the form of a spray. In short it saved many lives that would have been lost to "bleeding out".
We each carry a tube of it when out in the PNW and Northern Ca. I used to carry a stitch pack, but with that you needed to carry vials of anesthetic and syringes. A tube of glue is not that big! And it works quicker and painlessly, just don't use on wet skin as water is the curative and will cause skin burns due to the rapid curing.
On 26 Jun 2006 07:29:56 -0700, TMN <na...@vodacom.co.za> wrote:
> Hi
> One of my main hobbies is flying RC aircraft and I now and again get > cut while using a sharp blade. Something I (and some friends) use to > remedy the situation without a plaster is cyanoacrylate aka super glue, > CA adhesive etc. I simply hold the cut closed and apply a *small* > amout of cyanoacrylate.
Is that what they sell as Super glue?
> It bonds skin instantly and causes no pain or sensation at all - it > breaks down slowly and can be dissolved with acetone or nail polosh > remover.
> ***Danger*** Do not apply it to wet skin as this will cause a very fast > reaction which will result in a burn !!!
> For me this is so much better than having a plaster on (when it is on a > finger etc) - I resorted to it after cutting myself on a drilled > aluminium edge this week end and I was so happy with result (again!!) > that I thought I would mention it.
> ***Note*** > I am not a doctor. > The cyanoacrylate used at home is not exactly the same as medical > cyanoacrylate (but rc guys get this on thier fingers so much that I > dont see it as an added risk). > There are probably very good reasons why you should not do this.
> But for me its worth it !
It is basically the same thing as medical glue, I read about it in Wall Street Journal years ago. I would not be afraid to use it on minor cuts.
> One of my main hobbies is flying RC aircraft and I now and again get > cut while using a sharp blade. Something I (and some friends) use to > remedy the situation without a plaster is cyanoacrylate aka super glue, > CA adhesive etc. I simply hold the cut closed and apply a *small* > amout of cyanoacrylate.
> It bonds skin instantly and causes no pain or sensation at all - it > breaks down slowly and can be dissolved with acetone or nail polosh > remover.
> ***Danger*** Do not apply it to wet skin as this will cause a very fast > reaction which will result in a burn !!!
> For me this is so much better than having a plaster on (when it is on a > finger etc) - I resorted to it after cutting myself on a drilled > aluminium edge this week end and I was so happy with result (again!!) > that I thought I would mention it.
> ***Note*** > I am not a doctor. > The cyanoacrylate used at home is not exactly the same as medical > cyanoacrylate (but rc guys get this on thier fingers so much that I > dont see it as an added risk). > There are probably very good reasons why you should not do this.
> But for me its worth it !
Since the stuff was originally pushed for battlefield wound closure - and still gets used in the operating room today (granted, in a sterilized, "medical grade" format) in place of sutures, I can't see any particular reason not to, and have, in fact, used it myself exactly as you describe. I've got a hair-fine scar on the side of my left middle finger that was "repaired" that way - Tried to take a major, bone-deep hunk out of it with a kitchen knife, leaving a stomach-turningly huge flap of meat dangling. A drop of plain old superglue after cleaning it, plus a wrap of gauze, plus tincture of time, and a gash that could easily have cost me a big chunk off the end of the finger healed with a scar that can just barely be seen - if you know exactly where to look for it.
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TMN writes: > There are probably very good reasons why you should not do this.
Ordinary CA glue has a methyl portion that the medical type does not. So the common stuff while curing is more toxic to live tissue. In small dabs this doesn't seem to be a problem for most people.
It works to cover and soothe open cuts with new "skin", but as a mechanical closure it does not maintain a bond for long enough to replace suturing. It typically sheds in a day or so, and you need at least 3 or 4 days for wound closure.
The brand I use is Loctite, works great and has been used several times. Once for a plate glass cut and a couple of times for that nasty (I'll sharpen your kitchen knives) cut. If you have a clean straight cut then it works the best, jagged cuts are bit trickier though, In order not to have a large scar you must get the skin close together before closing with glue.
> It works to cover and soothe open cuts with new "skin", but as a mechanical > closure it does not maintain a bond for long enough to replace suturing. > It typically sheds in a day or so, and you need at least 3 or 4 days for > wound closure.
This is a good observation - I find that it adheres to skin but not actually to the flesh so it depends on the skin for the mechanical closing.
I have found that the cut heals from the deepest toward the top, so a fresh application of CA every day sees an smallish (~2mm deep) wound heal in 3 days or so. Hot water - like when showering also breaks the glue down.
I had a cut in the fold of a digit wich was V shaped and for 2 days when I worked in the garage I used it as a second skin.
In article <Xns97EE7A3CDA000someconund...@216.196.97.131>, Richard J Kinch <ki...@truetex.com> wrote:
> TMN writes:
> > There are probably very good reasons why you should not do this.
> Ordinary CA glue has a methyl portion that the medical type does not. So > the common stuff while curing is more toxic to live tissue. In small dabs > this doesn't seem to be a problem for most people.
For this particular "most people", that's definitely true. YMMV, I'm quite sure. I've never tried it for a wound that required more than a literal "single drop" application, so "high dose" issues have never come up for me.
> It works to cover and soothe open cuts with new "skin", but as a mechanical > closure it does not maintain a bond for long enough to replace suturing.
I'll dispute that based on empirical evidence, personally collected. See my other post in this thread. The gauze wrap I mentioned in it came off in the night, and was never replaced, since the oozing it was intended to absorb had ceased by the time I woke up the next morning.
> It typically sheds in a day or so, and you need at least 3 or 4 days for > wound closure.
I've had zero issues with wound re-opening.
Granted, this is only one case, however, I've used it several times for similar wounds, all with equal success, even over joints. (the hardest test of *ANY* wound-closure method, be it bandaging, suturing, or whatever else)
The key is a *CLEAN* (no jagged/torn edges) slice-type wound such as a sharp blade or broken plate glass would give you. Any sort of "rip" type wound, on the other hand, is a bad candidate for such treatment, and likely needs to see a doctor for at least suturing, if not debridement THEN suturing.
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> One of my main hobbies is flying RC aircraft and I now and again get > cut while using a sharp blade. Something I (and some friends) use to > remedy the situation without a plaster is cyanoacrylate aka super glue, > CA adhesive etc. I simply hold the cut closed and apply a *small* > amout of cyanoacrylate.
> It bonds skin instantly and causes no pain or sensation at all - it > breaks down slowly and can be dissolved with acetone or nail polosh > remover.
> ***Danger*** Do not apply it to wet skin as this will cause a very fast > reaction which will result in a burn !!!
> For me this is so much better than having a plaster on (when it is on a > finger etc) - I resorted to it after cutting myself on a drilled > aluminium edge this week end and I was so happy with result (again!!) > that I thought I would mention it.
> ***Note*** > I am not a doctor. > The cyanoacrylate used at home is not exactly the same as medical > cyanoacrylate (but rc guys get this on thier fingers so much that I > dont see it as an added risk). > There are probably very good reasons why you should not do this.
> One of my main hobbies is flying RC aircraft and I now and again get > cut while using a sharp blade. Something I (and some friends) use to > remedy the situation without a plaster is cyanoacrylate aka super glue, > CA adhesive etc. I simply hold the cut closed and apply a *small* > amout of cyanoacrylate.
> It bonds skin instantly and causes no pain or sensation at all - it > breaks down slowly and can be dissolved with acetone or nail polosh > remover.
My wife tripped and fell down the stairs a few years ago, cutting her forehead open on the corner of a cardboard box.
The doctor in the emergency room (who told me he was a retired machinist) used nothing but a special form of CA glue to re-seal her forehead, and today it shows only a slight dent -- no visible scar.
He said that it was a special form of CA glue, designed for the military, and at that time making its way into the operating rooms. It was different, in part, in that it did not bond quite as quickly, giving a bit more time to get things aesthetically aligned before it locks up.
He also said that getting the edges to align properly was the major trick to producing a scar-free result.
> ***Danger*** Do not apply it to wet skin as this will cause a very fast > reaction which will result in a burn !!!
Hmm ... blood is wet -- how do you deal with this?
> For me this is so much better than having a plaster on (when it is on a > finger etc) - I resorted to it after cutting myself on a drilled > aluminium edge this week end and I was so happy with result (again!!) > that I thought I would mention it.
Perhaps we should deal with the term "a plaster" here to minimize confusion. Here in the USA, "plaster" is usually a term for "plaster of Paris" or what used to be used for finishing walls before drywall came into common use.
I think that what you are calling "a plater", we would call "A BandAid" (brand name), or just "A bandage".
> ***Note*** > I am not a doctor. > The cyanoacrylate used at home is not exactly the same as medical > cyanoacrylate (but rc guys get this on thier fingers so much that I > dont see it as an added risk). > There are probably very good reasons why you should not do this.
> But for me its worth it !
I will have to remember this for next time -- and make sure to have CA glues handy for the purpose. Thanks for reminding me of it.
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Shopdog wrote: > I too use "super glue" for wound sealing (small wounds) Now if I say lop my > finger off on the table saw, I don't think it reasonable to glue 'er back > on!
> When out in the wilderness cyanoacrylate is the best first aid item you can > carry short of a doctor. A form of it was used in Vietnam to stop bleeding > and increase chances for survival.it was even used on severe chest wounds in > the form of a spray. In short it saved many lives that would have been lost > to "bleeding out".
> We each carry a tube of it when out in the PNW and Northern Ca. I used > to carry a stitch pack, but with that you needed to carry vials of > anesthetic and syringes. A tube of glue is not that big! And it works > quicker and painlessly, just don't use on wet skin as water is the curative > and will cause skin burns due to the rapid curing.
Shopdog wrote: > I too use "super glue" for wound sealing (small wounds) Now if I say lop my > finger off on the table saw, I don't think it reasonable to glue 'er back > on!
> When out in the wilderness cyanoacrylate is the best first aid item you can > carry short of a doctor. A form of it was used in Vietnam to stop bleeding > and increase chances for survival.it was even used on severe chest wounds in > the form of a spray. In short it saved many lives that would have been lost > to "bleeding out".
> We each carry a tube of it when out in the PNW and Northern Ca. I used > to carry a stitch pack, but with that you needed to carry vials of > anesthetic and syringes. A tube of glue is not that big! And it works > quicker and painlessly, just don't use on wet skin as water is the curative > and will cause skin burns due to the rapid curing.
On 26 Jun 2006 07:29:56 -0700, "TMN" <na...@vodacom.co.za> wrote:
>For me this is so much better than having a plaster on (when it is on a >finger etc) - I resorted to it after cutting myself on a drilled >aluminium edge this week end and I was so happy with result (again!!) >that I thought I would mention it.
Alpha Cyanoacrylate Glue, aka Superglue, works well to sort out cuts if you use it to augment the bodies natural healing process.
If you have anything dirty or mucky in the wound you should first flush out the muck using clean warm saline water. In experiments in Australia ordinary tap water has proven sterile enough to make usable emergency saline supplies for injecting so water from our tap supplies is clean enough for the flushing. your normal body fluids have a salinity of 0.9% so 9 grams of salt(about a level tea spoon) in a litre of water will make perfectly adequate saline solution. Saline does not cause the cells any fluid movement as you apply it so they stay healthy and ready to bond back together.
btw if you keep the wound area warm it will heal much much faster. allowing the wound to cool really impedes the healing.
of course if you dont have saline then ordinary clean water will suffice and if you dont have clean water then your own saliva licked over the surface is quite ok. Saliva contains an enzyme that aids healing btw. That instinctive lick of a wound is actually an evolutionary mechanism we have developed as humans. the ordinary water will cause some dehydration in the cells through osmosis but hell its an emergency :-)
Skin will commence the rejoining process within moments if you put the open surfaces back into position against each other and dont disturb them. the trouble is that the bond is quite weak. it takes something like a year for an open wound to regain 80% of its original tensile skin strength. applying the superglue to the surface of the closed wound will bond together the dead surface layer of keratin filled skin cells. these are continually shed from the surface of the skin and it is probably this normal sloughing off process that causes the superglue bond to appear to fail. The problem is that once the newly forming natural bond layer is broken the skin steps into another mode of healing where the cells regenerate from the base of the wound. avoid that and you'll heal much faster.
If I had a bad wound that I wanted to close myselfand I had nothing else available I would flush out the wound in warm saline then close it together and apply a drop of zap-a-gap to the outside surface. once I'd worked along the wound closing it I'd then cut a small piece of cloth to lay over the wound and zap that on to the surface. the idea being to get no superglue down in the wound and to use the glued on cloth to carry the tensile stresses across the wound so that it stayed closed.If you do it promptly and carefully you'll have done a job that the finest surgeon would envy. Dont think that you need betadine or anything like that. Those substances down in the wound area actually impede the healing process.
btw if you get a dirty wound that needs cleaning go and get a tetanus innoculation to prevent adverse consequences from the contaminants.
> > There are probably very good reasons why you should not do this.
> Ordinary CA glue has a methyl portion that the medical type does not. So > the common stuff while curing is more toxic to live tissue. In small dabs > this doesn't seem to be a problem for most people.
> It works to cover and soothe open cuts with new "skin", but as a mechanical > closure it does not maintain a bond for long enough to replace suturing. > It typically sheds in a day or so, and you need at least 3 or 4 days for > wound closure.
At the risk of being known as a 10 thumbed klutz I'll pass along my observations.
Trying to use super glue at first was frustrating. It was hard to apply, too fast to set, and didn't last long. The next time I was at the store I bought another product, tried it and was much more satisfied. The product I tried was Duro brand "Quick Gel" instant glue. There are many other "Gel" types available, I've just found, for me, this seems to be the best lasting.
This type of glue is easier to apply, won't run all over, and depending on how thick you apply it takes from 5-10 seconds to a full minute to set giving plenty of time to move things around. It seems, within reason, the thicker you apply to the outside of the cut the longer it resists water and abrasion.
I've also learned the hard way about drying your skin fully to avoid a fast reaction burn, no big deal. YMMV
> > For me this is so much better than having a plaster on
> Perhaps we should deal with the term "a plaster" here to > minimize confusion. Here in the USA, "plaster" is usually a term for > "plaster of Paris" or what used to be used for finishing walls before > drywall came into common use.
> I think that what you are calling "a plater", we would call "A > BandAid" (brand name), or just "A bandage".
the adhesive I have name is numbers but cant recall for sure it stays for what seems like ever if left in the freezer(0*F) it will set with simple green for who knows why and if you add baking soda the area can be built up, just fixed a fishing net, pole tip, and leather belt with it. Tried one time to fix a bad cut on my dog with it but would not sit still long enough to get it to set. Went to my animal back up Cut and Heal for horses fixed big gashes in my gut and dog and horse years ago and it heels great do not know how it is for people. Ed ke6bnl
> > > There are probably very good reasons why you should not do this.
> > Ordinary CA glue has a methyl portion that the medical type does not. So > > the common stuff while curing is more toxic to live tissue. In small dabs > > this doesn't seem to be a problem for most people.
> > It works to cover and soothe open cuts with new "skin", but as a mechanical > > closure it does not maintain a bond for long enough to replace suturing. > > It typically sheds in a day or so, and you need at least 3 or 4 days for > > wound closure.
> At the risk of being known as a 10 thumbed klutz I'll pass along my > observations.
> Trying to use super glue at first was frustrating. It was hard to > apply, too fast to set, and didn't last long. The next time I was at > the store I bought another product, tried it and was much more > satisfied. The product I tried was Duro brand "Quick Gel" instant > glue. There are many other "Gel" types available, I've just found, for > me, this seems to be the best lasting.
> This type of glue is easier to apply, won't run all over, and depending > on how thick you apply it takes from 5-10 seconds to a full minute to > set giving plenty of time to move things around. It seems, within > reason, the thicker you apply to the outside of the cut the longer it > resists water and abrasion.
> I've also learned the hard way about drying your skin fully to avoid a > fast reaction burn, no big deal. YMMV
> ***Note*** > I am not a doctor. > The cyanoacrylate used at home is not exactly the same as medical > cyanoacrylate (but rc guys get this on thier fingers so much that I > dont see it as an added risk). > There are probably very good reasons why you should not do this.
> But for me its worth it !
I am a doctor, it is exactly the same as the thick CA glues like Zap-a-gap from pacer. I believe dermabond is 9-octyl ca, same as zap a gap if memory serves. Only difference is the cost and the applicator.
Last weekend in between building reproduction Chipendale chair, a Elizabethan wardrobe and early American dining room set, I performed an emergency appendectomy on myself and used some left over Crazy Glue to close up. A couple hours later I helped Norm rewire his workshop.
On 26 Jun 2006 07:29:56 -0700, "TMN" <na...@vodacom.co.za> wrote:
>Hi
>One of my main hobbies is flying RC aircraft and I now and again get >cut while using a sharp blade. Something I (and some friends) use to >remedy the situation without a plaster is cyanoacrylate aka super glue, >CA adhesive etc. I simply hold the cut closed and apply a *small* >amout of cyanoacrylate.
>It bonds skin instantly and causes no pain or sensation at all - it >breaks down slowly and can be dissolved with acetone or nail polosh >remover.
>***Danger*** Do not apply it to wet skin as this will cause a very fast >reaction which will result in a burn !!!
>For me this is so much better than having a plaster on (when it is on a >finger etc) - I resorted to it after cutting myself on a drilled >aluminium edge this week end and I was so happy with result (again!!) >that I thought I would mention it.
>***Note*** >I am not a doctor. >The cyanoacrylate used at home is not exactly the same as medical >cyanoacrylate (but rc guys get this on thier fingers so much that I >dont see it as an added risk). >There are probably very good reasons why you should not do this.
In article <ofadnfvrf9edRjzZnZ2dnUVZ_tOdn...@comcast.com>, "Mr. Bla" <b...@bla.com> wrote:
> > ***Note*** > > I am not a doctor. > > The cyanoacrylate used at home is not exactly the same as medical > > cyanoacrylate (but rc guys get this on thier fingers so much that I > > dont see it as an added risk). > > There are probably very good reasons why you should not do this.
> > But for me its worth it !
> I am a doctor, it is exactly the same as the thick CA glues like Zap-a-gap > from pacer. I believe dermabond is 9-octyl ca, same as zap a gap if memory > serves. Only difference is the cost and the applicator.
> Bla
And probably the "guaranteed sterile unless opened or damaged" boilerplate on the label, I'd imagine :)
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>> ***Note*** >> I am not a doctor. >> The cyanoacrylate used at home is not exactly the same as medical >> cyanoacrylate (but rc guys get this on thier fingers so much that I >> dont see it as an added risk). >> There are probably very good reasons why you should not do this.
>> But for me its worth it !
> I am a doctor, it is exactly the same as the thick CA glues like Zap-a-gap > from pacer. I believe dermabond is 9-octyl ca, same as zap a gap if memory > serves. Only difference is the cost and the applicator.
Check the MSDS--Zap-a-gap is Ethyl-2 and polymethyl- cyanoacrylate.
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