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Cliff  
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From: Cliff <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om>
Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 04:43:51 -0500
Local: Mon, Nov 2 2009 8:43 pm
Subject: with a vengeance
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From: Tom P <werot...@freent.dd>
Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 12:44:55 +0100
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Subject: Re: with a vengeance
Peter Muehlbauer wrote:
> Cliff <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:

>> http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2009/oct/31/ben-bova-global-warming-li...
>>   " .... worse than ever ... "

> "There’s an old story about a man who fell off the roof of a New York City
> skyscraper."

> Must have been himself.

> AMEN!

  We're still waiting for those Excel charts, Herr windmill builder

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From: "James" <kingko...@iglou.com>
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 10:58:31 -0500
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Subject: Re: with a vengeance

Cliff wrote:
> http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2009/oct/31/ben-bova-global-warming-li...
>  " .... worse than ever ... "

2012 huh? So why the alarm. So far, so good.

We have two hoaxes with two predictions. I don't think the Mayans predicted the end of everything. The calendar just stopped there and todays alarmists adopted it as proof of doom. If the 2012 doesn't get us then AGW will. Aiiieeeeeeeeeee


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From: "Ouroboros Rex" <i...@casual.com>
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 10:04:19 -0600
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Subject: Re: with a vengeance

Peter Muehlbauer wrote:
> Cliff <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:

>> http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2009/oct/31/ben-bova-global-warming-li...
>>   " .... worse than ever ... "

> "There's an old story about a man who fell off the roof of a New York
> City skyscraper."

> Must have been himself.

> AMEN!

  Petey the Nazi advocates yet another killing.  lol

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From: tunderbar <tdcom...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 09:01:46 -0800 (PST)
Local: Tues, Nov 3 2009 4:01 am
Subject: Re: with a vengeance
On Nov 2, 3:43 am, Cliff <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om>
wrote:

Yep, in ten years the world will have gone to hell. Al Gore has been
saying that for 30 years now.

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From: Jessica Wabbit <ja...@rock.com>
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 10:43:11 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: with a vengeance
On Nov 2, 12:01 pm, tunderbar <tdcom...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Nov 2, 3:43 am, Cliff <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om>
> wrote:

> >http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2009/oct/31/ben-bova-global-warming-li...
> >   " .... worse than ever ... "

> Yep, in ten years the world will have gone to hell. Al Gore has been
> saying that for 30 years now.

Please, can I see a source for that?

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From: tunderbar <tdcom...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 11:11:51 -0800 (PST)
Local: Tues, Nov 3 2009 6:11 am
Subject: Re: with a vengeance
On Nov 2, 12:43 pm, Jessica Wabbit <ja...@rock.com> wrote:

> On Nov 2, 12:01 pm, tunderbar <tdcom...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > On Nov 2, 3:43 am, Cliff <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om>
> > wrote:

> > >http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2009/oct/31/ben-bova-global-warming-li...
> > >   " .... worse than ever ... "

> > Yep, in ten years the world will have gone to hell. Al Gore has been
> > saying that for 30 years now.

> Please, can I see a source for that?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2007/oct/12/climatechange1

1976

Gore quits law school in March 1976 to run for the House of
Representatives. He wins a Congress seat and is then re-elected three
times, in 1978, 1980, and 1982.

Gore holds first congressional hearings on the climate change, and co-
sponsors hearings on toxic waste and global warming.


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Rich Grise  
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From: Rich Grise <richgr...@example.net>
Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 11:31:58 -0800
Local: Tues, Nov 3 2009 6:31 am
Subject: Re: with a vengeance

On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 11:50:34 +0100, Peter Muehlbauer wrote:
> Cliff <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:

>> http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2009/oct/31/ben-bova-global-warming-li...
>>   " .... worse than ever ... "

> "There’s an old story about a man who fell off the roof of a New York
> City skyscraper."

> Must have been himself.

> AMEN!

Somewhat reminiscent of Paul Ehrlich's "Population Bomb".

http://www.storyarts.org/library/aesops/stories/boy.html

Cheers!
Rich


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From: Hawke <davesmith...@digitalpath.net>
Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 11:37:45 -0800
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Subject: Re: with a vengeance

Jessica Wabbit wrote:
> On Nov 2, 12:01 pm, tunderbar <tdcom...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Nov 2, 3:43 am, Cliff <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om>
>> wrote:

>>> http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2009/oct/31/ben-bova-global-warming-li...
>>>   " .... worse than ever ... "
>> Yep, in ten years the world will have gone to hell. Al Gore has been
>> saying that for 30 years now.

> Please, can I see a source for that?

This time it's taking you deniers even longer to accept reality than it
did when we told you that tobacco was addictive and caused cancer. I
wonder what it was that finally got you to change your position away
from what the tobacco company execs told you. Now it's the coal and oil
company execs you believe. Don't worry though, eventually the evidence
will be overwhelming just like it was with tobacco. Then you'll believe
it. Of course, with some of you you'll be dead before that happens.

Hawke


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From: Gunner Asch <gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net>
Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 11:44:31 -0800
Local: Tues, Nov 3 2009 6:44 am
Subject: Re: with a vengeance
On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 10:43:11 -0800 (PST), Jessica Wabbit <ja...@rock.com>
wrote:

>On Nov 2, 12:01 pm, tunderbar <tdcom...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Nov 2, 3:43 am, Cliff <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om>
>> wrote:

>> >http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2009/oct/31/ben-bova-global-warming-li...
>> >   " .... worse than ever ... "

>> Yep, in ten years the world will have gone to hell. Al Gore has been
>> saying that for 30 years now.

>Please, can I see a source for that?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_in_the_Balance

http://www.woopidoo.com/biography/al-gore/environmentalist.htm

Al Gore's  first environmental book, Earth in the Balance: Ecology and
the Human Spirit, was published in 1992, prior to his term as vice
president. Before his life as an author, however, Al Gore was known for
his support of hearings on toxic waste in the late 70s and ones on
global warming in the early 80s.

Looks pretty close to 30 yrs to me. In fact..maybe a little longer.

Gunner

"IMHO, some people here give Jeff far more attention than he deserves,
but obviously craves.  The most appropriate response, and perhaps the
cruelest, IMO, is to simply killfile and ignore him.  An alternative, if
you must, would be to post the same standard reply to his every post,
listing the manifold reasons why he ought to be ignored.  Just my $0.02
worth."


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Ouroboros Rex  
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From: "Ouroboros Rex" <i...@casual.com>
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 15:11:25 -0600
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Subject: Re: with a vengeance

  So, you have no source for what was actually claimed - thanks.

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From: richp <travelingman95...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 13:15:32 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: with a vengeance
On Nov 2, 4:34 am, Peter Muehlbauer <spamtrap...@AT.frankenexpress.de>
wrote:

Where is that report on me???

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pyotr filipivich  
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From: pyotr filipivich <ph...@mindspring.com>
Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 14:11:19 -0800
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Subject: Re: with a vengeance
Let the Record show that Gunner Asch <gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> on
or about Mon, 02 Nov 2009 11:44:31 -0800 did write/type or cause to
appear in rec.crafts.metalworking  the following:

        Dang, I recall being told Something Had To Be Done Immediately or
in twenty years it would be too late.  I think the first time I heard
that was in the seventies.  Definitely by 1980.  Which was 29 years
ago - so it is already too late.

tschus
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It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!


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From: jeff <jalowe44.inva...@hotmail.com.invalid>
Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 19:22:19 -0500
Local: Tues, Nov 3 2009 11:22 am
Subject: Re: with a vengeance

Cliff wrote:
> http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2009/oct/31/ben-bova-global-warming-li...
>   " .... worse than ever ... "

Well now, I am convinced. I mean, when a sci-fi writer endorses a
concept in a blog, it must be true.

Just a few niggling doubts:
"There have been plenty of instances over the past several hundred years
when global temperatures leveled out for 10 years or so. Then they began
to rise — or fall — again." Where did this prior warming come from?

"When the sun returns to normal" I thought we've been repeatedly told
that insolation was constant. Where does this return to normal come from?


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From: "I M @ good guy" <I...@good.guy>
Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 20:44:16 -0400
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Subject: Re: with a vengeance
On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 11:11:51 -0800 (PST), tunderbar <tdcom...@gmail.com>
wrote:

       I am disappointed to read that Sicko did better than
Gore's movie.

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From: "o nob" <l...@k.com>
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 12:03:53 +1100
Local: Tues, Nov 3 2009 12:03 pm
Subject: Re: (WT) ² Du Jour -- with a vengeance

Watch out for a plague of (WT) ² during the coming weeks as we approach a
new international convention on economic suicide.

It is shorthand for Worse Than Was Thought.

Suddenly, it is urgent. We have only ten years to save the shellfish.

Strange how such things always become urgent just before one of these
international jollies.

No doubt infidels will come up with various quibbles, such as the dreaded
gas being less soluble in the supposedly warming waters or the negligible
proportion of it that is being produced by humans or the relatively
smallness of the  change in the partial pressure of said terror gas.

More to come, no doubt!

Warmest Regards

Bon z0

"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps
US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists
worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct
from natural variation."

Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville

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Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 12:04:31 +1100
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Subject: Re: with a vengeance
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"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps
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worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct
from natural variation."
Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville

"Cliff" <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in message

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From: Gunner Asch <gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net>
Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 17:21:20 -0800
Local: Tues, Nov 3 2009 12:21 pm
Subject: Re: with a vengeance
On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 15:11:25 -0600, "Ouroboros Rex" <i...@casual.com>
wrote:

Humm?  It was sited quite clearly. You are not getting all the posts? Or
are you simply  in buffoonish denial?

Based on the average intelligence level of Leftards...Id say you were
unable to comprehend the cites.  Retardation does that to a person.
As does brain damage from over use of drugs and the long term effects of
HIV issues.

Pity

Gunner


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Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 21:16:03 -0600
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Subject: Re: with a vengeance
Gosh there has been a lot of Hurricanes this year! (as predicted)

The Gulf and East coast was to be washed off North America.

Sorry to the 'the sky is falling' group.

And as for 2012 - some credence not much.  There is a large and building
magnetic field in the southern Atlantic that might reverse poles.....  More
plausible.

Martin


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From: pyotr filipivich <ph...@mindspring.com>
Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 00:02:00 -0800
Subject: Dain Brammage from the Sixities was Re: with a vengeance
I  missed the Staff Meeting but the Minutes record that Gunner Asch
<gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net>  reported Elvis on Mon, 02 Nov 2009
17:21:20 -0800 in misc.survivalism:

        Hey, be nice.  He can't help that his parents were engaged in the
ad hoc investigations into the long term somatic effects of
psychotropic compounds.  They'd expected a certain amount of brain
damage, but the chromosomal damage was a unexpected 'bonus'.

pyotr
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pyotr filipivich.
Just about the time you finally see light at the end of the tunnel,
you find out it's a Government Project to build more tunnel.


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From: Cliff <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om>
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 05:39:39 -0500
Local: Wed, Nov 4 2009 9:39 pm
Subject: Re: with a vengeance
On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 11:44:31 -0800, Gunner Asch <gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net>
wrote:

  One day wingers will discover day & night too.
  Someday.
--
Cliff

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