> And nothing says "I drive what I drive 'cause I like it" quite like my > 1978 Chrysler Newport!
I had a '68 convertible with the 383 wedge engine, 4 bbl carb. 2.90 rear end gears, and the puppy would cruise at 75. Wish I had it today. Fast, stylish, powerful, and had good lines.
>On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 17:03:54 -0600, Ignoramus23290 ><ignoramus23...@NOSPAM.23290.invalid> wrote:
>>I have a friend from school days who joined Amway. He called me >>recently and told me some gibberish about how I can live a life full >>of expensive things without working if I join Amway.
>>This is not the first time I have heard about that company and I have >>always been of the opinion that either complete suckers, or complete >>scumbags, or often both, join Amway. I am obviously not considering >>joining that sort of an enterprise, but I wonder if anyone had friends >>or family get involved, and what happened.
>>i
> It's the sort of thing that really only works in the large cities. In >rural areas you just can't get enough of a "downpipe" to make it >worthwhile. > The big money is in having so many "below" you...
Indeed. My wife tried it about 15 yrs ago. Products were ok...some actually decent..but in a town of 15k..and 10 other dealers......she lost interest really fast.
One of the few things she tried that didnt cost me (much) money.
Gunner
"IMHO, some people here give Jeff far more attention than he deserves, but obviously craves. The most appropriate response, and perhaps the cruelest, IMO, is to simply killfile and ignore him. An alternative, if you must, would be to post the same standard reply to his every post, listing the manifold reasons why he ought to be ignored. Just my $0.02 worth."
>> Of course they were. I got to wonder, however, if a Mercedes 300 is >> really a big manifestation of success. That's a $30,000 dollar car? Or >> am I off with my pricing?
My 82 300TD Wagon is probably worth about $4K now, but being an ex-mercedes tech i got it with a few problems and fixed it for far less. Damned good car and rated to haul 1/2 ton with hydraulic suspension to keep it level. Most people can't drive an old one like that anymore as it "nickle and dimes" them with $50 and $100s as old parts fail. -- Stupendous Man, Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty
On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:14:02 -0500, clare wrote: > On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 15:45:51 -0600, Ignoramus11615 >>On 2009-11-05, SteveB <oldf...@depends.com> wrote: >>>> Amway especially, seems to be have an ingrained culture of flashing >>>> wealth (probably much of it not really owned, as you mention).
>>> I disdain and avoid any sales managers who have the "cheerleader" >>> attitude. It is contagious crowd hysteria, and some people are very >>> good at it. And then, they take this stolen money and send their kids >>> to dance school, and buy all sorts of flashy items, and keep up the >>> image. They are sad people living on fluff and waiting for their >>> balloon to burst. And they have no soul.
>>Yes, and also, I think that it illustrates a saying "you cannot cheat an >>honest man".
> It's HARD to cheat an honest man, but in today's world it is no longer > impossible.
These days, it's damn near impossible to _find_ an honest man.
>>> On 2009-11-06, Roger Shoaf <sh...@nospamsyix.com> wrote: >>>> "Ignoramus11615" <ignoramus11...@NOSPAM.11615.invalid> wrote in message >>>> news:sJadndrDxqhxYm_XnZ2dnUVZ_vmdnZ2d@giganews.com... >>>>> Of course they were. I got to wonder, however, if a Mercedes 300 is >>>>> really a big manifestation of success. That's a $30,000 dollar car? Or >>>>> am I off with my pricing? >>>> Well I just picked one up last week, cost was $1,364 plus tax and >>>> license.
>>> Now we will admire and worship you!!!
>>> i >>> just kidding >> Nothing says "hasbeen" or "wannabee" quite like a banged up or rusty >> MB, Lincoln, or Caddie!!!!!
> You forgot the worst, the Beemer. I parked cars in Vegas for years, and > Beemer owners were just wannabe Mercedes owners. And every one of them was > a lousy dollar tipper, and wanted their car first. Yeah, right, like that's > gonna happen. Took them forever to do the stylish entry into the car, close > the door lightly, lock the doors, put on the seat belt, adjust the mirror, > it goes on and on.
Hey, I resent that! And I've never been accused of stylish entry (6'4", over 50, Z3)
>> These days, it's damn near impossible to _find_ an honest man. > Mark Twain - Beware of a man who tells you he's honest. He'll probably lie > about other things, too. (paraphrased, of course)
I believe in this very deeply. Mark Twain was very right.
>On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:14:02 -0500, clare wrote: >> On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 15:45:51 -0600, Ignoramus11615 >>>On 2009-11-05, SteveB <oldf...@depends.com> wrote: >>>>> Amway especially, seems to be have an ingrained culture of flashing >>>>> wealth (probably much of it not really owned, as you mention).
>>>> I disdain and avoid any sales managers who have the "cheerleader" >>>> attitude. It is contagious crowd hysteria, and some people are very >>>> good at it. And then, they take this stolen money and send their kids >>>> to dance school, and buy all sorts of flashy items, and keep up the >>>> image. They are sad people living on fluff and waiting for their >>>> balloon to burst. And they have no soul.
>>>Yes, and also, I think that it illustrates a saying "you cannot cheat an >>>honest man".
>> It's HARD to cheat an honest man, but in today's world it is no longer >> impossible.
>These days, it's damn near impossible to _find_ an honest man.
>Thanks, >Rich
Actually..no its not. But they are not as common as they once were.
Gunner
"IMHO, some people here give Jeff far more attention than he deserves, but obviously craves. The most appropriate response, and perhaps the cruelest, IMO, is to simply killfile and ignore him. An alternative, if you must, would be to post the same standard reply to his every post, listing the manifold reasons why he ought to be ignored. Just my $0.02 worth."
> On Mon, 09 Nov 2009 14:06:28 -0800, Rich Grise <richgr...@example.net> > wrote:
> >On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:14:02 -0500, clare wrote: > >> On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 15:45:51 -0600, Ignoramus11615 > >>>On 2009-11-05, SteveB <oldf...@depends.com> wrote: > >>>>> Amway especially, seems to be have an ingrained culture of flashing > >>>>> wealth (probably much of it not really owned, as you mention).
> >>>> I disdain and avoid any sales managers who have the "cheerleader" > >>>> attitude. It is contagious crowd hysteria, and some people are very > >>>> good at it. And then, they take this stolen money and send their kids > >>>> to dance school, and buy all sorts of flashy items, and keep up the > >>>> image. They are sad people living on fluff and waiting for their > >>>> balloon to burst. And they have no soul.
> >>>Yes, and also, I think that it illustrates a saying "you cannot cheat an > >>>honest man".
> >> It's HARD to cheat an honest man, but in today's world it is no longer > >> impossible.
> >These days, it's damn near impossible to _find_ an honest man.
> >Thanks, > >Rich
> Actually..no its not. But they are not as common as they once were.
It says a lot about the kind of people Rich hangs out with.
>> On Mon, 09 Nov 2009 14:06:28 -0800, Rich Grise >> <richgr...@example.net> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:14:02 -0500, clare wrote: >>>> On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 15:45:51 -0600, Ignoramus11615 >>>>> On 2009-11-05, SteveB <oldf...@depends.com> wrote: >>>>>>> Amway especially, seems to be have an ingrained culture of >>>>>>> flashing wealth (probably much of it not really owned, as you >>>>>>> mention).
>>>>>> I disdain and avoid any sales managers who have the "cheerleader" >>>>>> attitude. It is contagious crowd hysteria, and some people are >>>>>> very good at it. And then, they take this stolen money and send >>>>>> their kids to dance school, and buy all sorts of flashy items, >>>>>> and keep up the image. They are sad people living on fluff and >>>>>> waiting for their balloon to burst. And they have no soul.
>>>>> Yes, and also, I think that it illustrates a saying "you cannot >>>>> cheat an honest man".
>>>> It's HARD to cheat an honest man, but in today's world it is no >>>> longer impossible.
>>> These days, it's damn near impossible to _find_ an honest man.
>>> Thanks, >>> Rich
>> Actually..no its not. But they are not as common as they once were.
> It says a lot about the kind of people Rich hangs out with.
Perhaps, but it could be that he considers hypocrites like Gunner to be dishonest. That would literally be true.
>>> These days, it's damn near impossible to _find_ an honest man.
>>> Thanks, >>> Rich
>>Mark Twain - Beware of a man who tells you he's honest. He'll probably lie >>about other things, too. (paraphrased, of course)
>I lie quite often, but I'm not gonna tell you who with :-)
>Mark Rand >RTFM
Well done! Very well done!
<G>
Gunner
"IMHO, some people here give Jeff far more attention than he deserves, but obviously craves. The most appropriate response, and perhaps the cruelest, IMO, is to simply killfile and ignore him. An alternative, if you must, would be to post the same standard reply to his every post, listing the manifold reasons why he ought to be ignored. Just my $0.02 worth."
>>> These days, it's damn near impossible to _find_ an honest man. >> Mark Twain - Beware of a man who tells you he's honest. He'll probably >> lie >> about other things, too. (paraphrased, of course)
> I believe in this very deeply. Mark Twain was very right.
> i
IIRC, I got into deep shit in the past for admitting things, and having people question my honesty. It was about retrieving forklifts from underwater, and making sure they were in gear so the drivers wouldn't lose their jobs. Got some pretty righteous answers from some perfect and righteous honest people. Glad I'm not that sick. I'm not perfect, just a little better than I was, and learning to ask forgiveness and not to judge others. IIRC, also, I don't recall ever claiming to be honest. Or perfect.
>>> On Mon, 09 Nov 2009 14:06:28 -0800, Rich Grise >>> <richgr...@example.net> wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:14:02 -0500, clare wrote: >>>>> On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 15:45:51 -0600, Ignoramus11615 >>>>>> On 2009-11-05, SteveB <oldf...@depends.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> Amway especially, seems to be have an ingrained culture of >>>>>>>> flashing wealth (probably much of it not really owned, as you >>>>>>>> mention).
>>>>>>> I disdain and avoid any sales managers who have the "cheerleader" >>>>>>> attitude. It is contagious crowd hysteria, and some people are >>>>>>> very good at it. And then, they take this stolen money and send >>>>>>> their kids to dance school, and buy all sorts of flashy items, >>>>>>> and keep up the image. They are sad people living on fluff and >>>>>>> waiting for their balloon to burst. And they have no soul.
>>>>>> Yes, and also, I think that it illustrates a saying "you cannot >>>>>> cheat an honest man".
>>>>> It's HARD to cheat an honest man, but in today's world it is no >>>>> longer impossible.
>>>> These days, it's damn near impossible to _find_ an honest man.
>>>> Thanks, >>>> Rich
>>> Actually..no its not. But they are not as common as they once were.
>> It says a lot about the kind of people Rich hangs out with.
> Perhaps, but it could be that he considers hypocrites like Gunner to be > dishonest. > That would literally be true.
> -- > John R. Carroll
Ah, John. If we were all just honest, and perfect, like you, what a wonderful world this would be.
> Perhaps, but it could be that he considers hypocrites like Gunner to be > dishonest. > That would literally be true.
I have no more reason to believe anything you say, than Gunner. Your constant rants are irritating, and hard to read with all the typos. You come across as a very bitter old man with dozens of chips on your shoulders.
On 2009-11-10, SteveB <oldf...@depends.com> wrote:
> "Ignoramus12778" <ignoramus12...@NOSPAM.12778.invalid> wrote in message >> On 2009-11-09, SteveB <oldf...@depends.com> wrote: >>> Mark Twain - Beware of a man who tells you he's honest. He'll probably >>> lie >>> about other things, too. (paraphrased, of course)
>> I believe in this very deeply. Mark Twain was very right.
> IIRC, I got into deep shit in the past for admitting things, and having > people question my honesty. It was about retrieving forklifts from > underwater, and making sure they were in gear so the drivers wouldn't lose > their jobs. Got some pretty righteous answers from some perfect and > righteous honest people. Glad I'm not that sick. I'm not perfect, just a > little better than I was, and learning to ask forgiveness and not to judge > others.
Being honest does not mean never lying. It means having values that prevent lying for ulterior purposes.
> IIRC, also, I don't recall ever claiming to be honest. Or perfect.
>>>> On Mon, 09 Nov 2009 14:06:28 -0800, Rich Grise >>>> <richgr...@example.net> wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:14:02 -0500, clare wrote: >>>>>> On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 15:45:51 -0600, Ignoramus11615 >>>>>>> On 2009-11-05, SteveB <oldf...@depends.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> Amway especially, seems to be have an ingrained culture of >>>>>>>>> flashing wealth (probably much of it not really owned, as you >>>>>>>>> mention).
>>>>>>>> I disdain and avoid any sales managers who have the "cheerleader" >>>>>>>> attitude. It is contagious crowd hysteria, and some people are >>>>>>>> very good at it. And then, they take this stolen money and send >>>>>>>> their kids to dance school, and buy all sorts of flashy items, >>>>>>>> and keep up the image. They are sad people living on fluff and >>>>>>>> waiting for their balloon to burst. And they have no soul.
>>>>>>> Yes, and also, I think that it illustrates a saying "you cannot >>>>>>> cheat an honest man".
>>>>>> It's HARD to cheat an honest man, but in today's world it is no >>>>>> longer impossible.
>>>>> These days, it's damn near impossible to _find_ an honest man.
>>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Rich
>>>> Actually..no its not. But they are not as common as they once were.
>>> It says a lot about the kind of people Rich hangs out with.
>> Perhaps, but it could be that he considers hypocrites like Gunner to be >> dishonest. >> That would literally be true.
>> -- >> John R. Carroll
>Ah, John. If we were all just honest, and perfect, like you, what a >wonderful world this would be.
>Steve
He still has my Milwaukee 9" grinder as well. So perhaps he isnt as honest and perfect as one would think...eh?
Gunner
"IMHO, some people here give Jeff far more attention than he deserves, but obviously craves. The most appropriate response, and perhaps the cruelest, IMO, is to simply killfile and ignore him. An alternative, if you must, would be to post the same standard reply to his every post, listing the manifold reasons why he ought to be ignored. Just my $0.02 worth."
> On 2009-11-10, SteveB <oldf...@depends.com> wrote: >> "Ignoramus12778" <ignoramus12...@NOSPAM.12778.invalid> wrote in message >>> On 2009-11-09, SteveB <oldf...@depends.com> wrote: >>>> Mark Twain - Beware of a man who tells you he's honest. He'll probably >>>> lie >>>> about other things, too. (paraphrased, of course)
>>> I believe in this very deeply. Mark Twain was very right.
>> IIRC, I got into deep shit in the past for admitting things, and having >> people question my honesty. It was about retrieving forklifts from >> underwater, and making sure they were in gear so the drivers wouldn't >> lose >> their jobs. Got some pretty righteous answers from some perfect and >> righteous honest people. Glad I'm not that sick. I'm not perfect, just >> a >> little better than I was, and learning to ask forgiveness and not to >> judge >> others.
> Being honest does not mean never lying. It means having values that > prevent lying for ulterior purposes.
>> IIRC, also, I don't recall ever claiming to be honest. Or perfect.
> And this is really the key.
> i
Thank God a few people got my point, and not just entertainment from a public flogging.
SteveB wrote: > "Gunner Asch" <gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote
>> He still has my Milwaukee 9" grinder as well. So perhaps he isnt as >> honest and perfect as one would think...eh?
>> Gunner
> What's yer problem. The man said he'd pay you. He just didn't say > when.
His grinder is right where he left it. He can pick it up at his leisure and the only reason it is here at all is that he left it so I could pay ONE OF MY GUYS to do a job I'd already more than paid him in full , in advance and on his word that he'd finish up, to do. He also said he'd pick it up on one of his many trips through the area.
You guys are right about one thing though. I'm not perfect unless taking gunner at his word makes me a perfect fool. Hey, wait... I guess you ARE right.
SteveB wrote: > "Gunner Asch" <gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote
>> He still has my Milwaukee 9" grinder as well. So perhaps he isnt as >> honest and perfect as one would think...eh?
>> Gunner
> What's yer problem. The man said he'd pay you. He just didn't say > when.
His grinder is right where he left it. He can pick it up at his leisure and the only reason it is here at all is that he left it so I could pay ONE OF MY GUYS to do a job I'd already more than paid him in full , in advance and on his word that he'd finish up, to do. He also said he'd pick it up on one of his many trips through the area.
You guys are right about one thing though. I'm not perfect unless taking gunner at his word makes me a perfect fool. Hey, wait... I guess you ARE right.
> SteveB wrote: >> "Gunner Asch" <gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote
>>> He still has my Milwaukee 9" grinder as well. So perhaps he isnt as >>> honest and perfect as one would think...eh?
>>> Gunner
>> What's yer problem. The man said he'd pay you. He just didn't say >> when.
> His grinder is right where he left it. > He can pick it up at his leisure and the only reason it is here at all is > that he left it so I could pay ONE OF MY GUYS to do a job I'd already more > than paid him in full , in advance and on his word that he'd finish up, to > do. > He also said he'd pick it up on one of his many trips through the area.
> You guys are right about one thing though. I'm not perfect unless taking > gunner at his word makes me a perfect fool. > Hey, wait... > I guess you ARE right.
> -- > John R. Carroll
Ya wannna post that again? I missed it the first time. And the second time.
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