> >>> On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 06:11:34 -0800 (PST), ComandanteBanana > >>> <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>> >"They are often being vandalized in a socially divided Paris by > >>> >resentful, angry or anarchic youth, the police and sociologists > >>> >say."
> >>> >Yes, those little terrorists must be dealt with just like with > >>> >the big ones.
> >>> >One thing to note, though, is that for all the waste fighting > >>> >those little terrorists it's still a bargain compared to > >>> >fighting the big terrorists in Iraq and Afghanistan.
> >>> Utopian socialists devise expensive new civic plan.
> >>> Hoodlums destroy public property foiling new civic plan.
> >>> Sociologists make up verbose explanations for behavior of > >>> hoodlums.
> >>> Which one of those do you suppose is news. They border on > >>> tautology.
> >>Except: (1) there's no utopian socialism at work here, this is > >>capitalism and the pursuit of profit through providing a service; > >>(2) the plan has not been foiled and is still highly profitable; > >>and (3) sociologists are verbose on just about everything. So the > >>first two are inaccurate and the third is business as usual.
> >1. The mayor of Paris is in fact a Socialist. Big S. Presumably > >small s too. 2. Not according to the company running it. They might > >be lying. 3. Yeah.
> >You seem to be blaming me for the inaccuracy of the NY Times.
Only your interpretation of the NYT.
> From what I've read, the company running it seem to be claiming that > as they got their sums wrong at the start, they should get a raise. > That they are trying to blame it on maintenance costs is rather > "interesting" as it was known from the start that there would be a > sizeable element of maintenance arising from vandalism. The only > thing that has changed is the reduction in advertising revenue owing > to the recession.
> It seems to boil down to "our profits are lower than anticipated, > please give money".
Sounds like Wall Street and the boardrooms of Detroit. Plus ca change...
In article <opmve5t0fepjr47lj42chmkvh4j9em8...@4ax.com>,
RonSonic <ronso...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote: > This is America! Buy your own fucking bike.
Good grief, yes. Cooperation and sharing of resources should be verboten here. It's every man for himself and his family. The "common welfare" is a socialist notion and should be ignored.
Whoever wrote this was clearly anti-American: "We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."
> On Nov 3, 8:18 pm, "andresm...@aol.com" <andresm...@aol.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 3, 12:59 pm, ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> > > wrote: > > > On Nov 3, 1:27 pm, Andre Jute <fiult...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > This is wealth distribution by pulling the poor into the mainstream, > > > > not the socialist ideal of pulling everyone down to the same level of > > > > misery.
> > > > Andre Jute > > > > Oldfashioned liberal > > > That's why I prefer to listen to Bob Marley. Yeah man!
> > Doubt that he'll be able to appreciate Bob Marley.
> Andres Muro is another tenth-rater who thinks the revolution consists > of smoking dope and listerning to Bob Marley.
> It is embarrassing to know such people, even virtually on the net.
> Andre Jute > Listening to Bach's Cantata 199 "Mein Herze Schwimmt im Blut"
> On Nov 4, 2:33 am, Andre Jute <fiult...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 3, 8:18 pm, "andresm...@aol.com" <andresm...@aol.com> wrote:
> > > On Nov 3, 12:59 pm, ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> > > > wrote: > > > > On Nov 3, 1:27 pm, Andre Jute <fiult...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > This is wealth distribution by pulling the poor into the mainstream, > > > > > not the socialist ideal of pulling everyone down to the same level of > > > > > misery.
> > > > > Andre Jute > > > > > Oldfashioned liberal > > > > That's why I prefer to listen to Bob Marley. Yeah man!
> > > Doubt that he'll be able to appreciate Bob Marley.
> > Andres Muro is another tenth-rater who thinks the revolution consists > > of smoking dope and listerning to Bob Marley.
> > It is embarrassing to know such people, even virtually on the net.
> > Andre Jute > > Listening to Bach's Cantata 199 "Mein Herze Schwimmt im Blut"
> Andre Jute is a very insecure Afrikaaner who love to insult anyone who > does not see the world through his glasses and who obviously does not > like Marley. He seems to believe that anyone who like Marley is a pot > smoking revolutionary wannabe.
> Andre Jute would benefit from taking a Chill Pill. Even better, he may > benefit from smoking some pot and listening to Marley. That way he may > become less of a bitter ol',man. , Although, due to his very > conventional, while farily broad and encyclopedic thinking, he will > never be a revolutionary.- Hide quoted text -
> On Nov 4, 2:09 am, Andre Jute <fiult...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 3, 7:59 pm, ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > On Nov 3, 1:27 pm, Andre Jute <fiult...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > This is wealth distribution by pulling the poor into the mainstream, > > > > not the socialist ideal of pulling everyone down to the same level of > > > > misery.
> > > > Andre Jute > > > > Oldfashioned liberal
> > > You sound so STATUS QUO, almost depressed... like the people who > > > wrote...
> > > You know, high like in smoking weed or low like in clinical > > > depression?
> > > I think the latter prevails, though.
> > Are you surprised that I comtemptuously treat you as a tenth rate > > fool, Banana? I talk of raising the poor to the middle classes and you > > find it boring.
> > > That's why I prefer to listen to Bob Marley. Yeah man!
> > And then you tell me your idea of political action is listening to Bob > > Marley.
> > I don't need to say any more. I just won't waste any more time reading > > your posts.
> > Andre Jute > > The real thing
> Man oh man! you do have difficulty reading metaphorically and > interpreting. For having read so much I am surprised that you have so > much difficulty with language. That suggests very limited exposure and > the fact that even though you travelled so much you always kept your > mind shut. The criticism about your ideology was not an economic one > but a cultural one. The suggestion about listening to Marley was not > about taking any political action but about chilling out which > obviously you are incapable of.
> You'd likely argue that you relax to the sound of Bach and a glass of > Carbernet. Problem is that while you may be able to relax a bit, you > are not able to chill out. Hence, you continue to be a bitter ol'man. > You ought to try alternating Cabernet and Bach w/ Beer and Marley, > Beethoven and Champagne, Manu Chau and Tequila and Tchaikovsky and > Chardonnay. This won't make you a revolutionary. It may open your mind > just a little.- Hide quoted text -
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Right on, it's INSECURITY that often keeps them from enjoying the best things in life.
The sheep are very steady in their behavior, or so they claim to be.
KingOfTheApes wrote: > On Nov 4, 8:57 am, "andresm...@aol.com" <andresm...@aol.com> wrote: >> On Nov 4, 2:09 am, Andre Jute <fiult...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> On Nov 3, 7:59 pm, ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>> On Nov 3, 1:27 pm, Andre Jute <fiult...@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>> This is wealth distribution by pulling the poor into the mainstream, >>>>> not the socialist ideal of pulling everyone down to the same level of >>>>> misery. >>>>> Andre Jute >>>>> Oldfashioned liberal >>>> You sound so STATUS QUO, almost depressed... like the people who >>>> wrote... >>>> You know, high like in smoking weed or low like in clinical >>>> depression? >>>> I think the latter prevails, though. >>> Are you surprised that I comtemptuously treat you as a tenth rate >>> fool, Banana? I talk of raising the poor to the middle classes and you >>> find it boring. >>>> That's why I prefer to listen to Bob Marley. Yeah man! >>> And then you tell me your idea of political action is listening to Bob >>> Marley. >>> I don't need to say any more. I just won't waste any more time reading >>> your posts. >>> Andre Jute >>> The real thing >> Man oh man! you do have difficulty reading metaphorically and >> interpreting. For having read so much I am surprised that you have so >> much difficulty with language. That suggests very limited exposure and >> the fact that even though you travelled so much you always kept your >> mind shut. The criticism about your ideology was not an economic one >> but a cultural one. The suggestion about listening to Marley was not >> about taking any political action but about chilling out which >> obviously you are incapable of.
>> You'd likely argue that you relax to the sound of Bach and a glass of >> Carbernet. Problem is that while you may be able to relax a bit, you >> are not able to chill out. Hence, you continue to be a bitter ol'man. >> You ought to try alternating Cabernet and Bach w/ Beer and Marley, >> Beethoven and Champagne, Manu Chau and Tequila and Tchaikovsky and >> Chardonnay. This won't make you a revolutionary. It may open your mind >> just a little.- Hide quoted text -
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> Right on, it's INSECURITY that often keeps them from enjoying the best > things in life.
> The sheep are very steady in their behavior, or so they claim to be.
> KingOfTheApes wrote: > > On Nov 4, 8:57 am, "andresm...@aol.com" <andresm...@aol.com> wrote: > >> On Nov 4, 2:09 am, Andre Jute <fiult...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>> On Nov 3, 7:59 pm, ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote: > >>>> On Nov 3, 1:27 pm, Andre Jute <fiult...@yahoo.com> wrote: > >>>>> This is wealth distribution by pulling the poor into the mainstream, > >>>>> not the socialist ideal of pulling everyone down to the same level of > >>>>> misery. > >>>>> Andre Jute > >>>>> Oldfashioned liberal > >>>> You sound so STATUS QUO, almost depressed... like the people who > >>>> wrote... > >>>> You know, high like in smoking weed or low like in clinical > >>>> depression? > >>>> I think the latter prevails, though. > >>> Are you surprised that I comtemptuously treat you as a tenth rate > >>> fool, Banana? I talk of raising the poor to the middle classes and you > >>> find it boring. > >>>> That's why I prefer to listen to Bob Marley. Yeah man! > >>> And then you tell me your idea of political action is listening to Bob > >>> Marley. > >>> I don't need to say any more. I just won't waste any more time reading > >>> your posts. > >>> Andre Jute > >>> The real thing > >> Man oh man! you do have difficulty reading metaphorically and > >> interpreting. For having read so much I am surprised that you have so > >> much difficulty with language. That suggests very limited exposure and > >> the fact that even though you travelled so much you always kept your > >> mind shut. The criticism about your ideology was not an economic one > >> but a cultural one. The suggestion about listening to Marley was not > >> about taking any political action but about chilling out which > >> obviously you are incapable of.
> >> You'd likely argue that you relax to the sound of Bach and a glass of > >> Carbernet. Problem is that while you may be able to relax a bit, you > >> are not able to chill out. Hence, you continue to be a bitter ol'man. > >> You ought to try alternating Cabernet and Bach w/ Beer and Marley, > >> Beethoven and Champagne, Manu Chau and Tequila and Tchaikovsky and > >> Chardonnay. This won't make you a revolutionary. It may open your mind > >> just a little.- Hide quoted text -
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> > Right on, it's INSECURITY that often keeps them from enjoying the best > > things in life.
> > The sheep are very steady in their behavior, or so they claim to be.
> Relax/puff/chill/enjoy.
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Exactly, you guys may enjoy this viewpoint. Be ready to feel LOW, HIGH or simply GOOD... ;)
Many people are afraid of reggae not only for their POLITICAL MESSAGE, but because REGGAE IS HOT, and they may lose control over the MONKEY WITHIN... ;)
"Hey, don't you feel some times like hearing the Call of the Wild?"
(Hey, don't forget to see the back. It's all about LIBERATION, you know)
Tim McNamara wrote: > In article <opmve5t0fepjr47lj42chmkvh4j9em8...@4ax.com>, > RonSonic <ronso...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>> This is America! Buy your own fucking bike.
> Good grief, yes. Cooperation and sharing of resources should be > verboten here. It's every man for himself and his family. The "common > welfare" is a socialist notion and should be ignored.
> Whoever wrote this was clearly anti-American: "We the people of the > United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, > insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the > general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and > our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United > States of America."
Then some unreconstructed right wing wingnut wrote this:
"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."
On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 09:01:15 -0600, Tim McNamara <tim...@bitstream.net> wrote: >In article <opmve5t0fepjr47lj42chmkvh4j9em8...@4ax.com>, > RonSonic <ronso...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>> This is America! Buy your own fucking bike.
>Good grief, yes. Cooperation and sharing of resources should be >verboten here. It's every man for himself and his family. The "common >welfare" is a socialist notion and should be ignored.
>Whoever wrote this was clearly anti-American: "We the people of the >United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, >insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the >general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and >our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United >States of America."
What could be more just than you buying the bike you want and me buying the bike I want? What better way to insure tranquility or at least a lack of debate over what is the better bike than for each to choose and pay for his own? If the government buys our bikes then we need to argue over how expensive they should be and what design and features they should have.
<fiult...@yahoo.com> wrote: >On Nov 3, 4:27 am, ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> On Nov 2, 9:21 pm, Andre Jute <fiult...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > On Nov 3, 2:07 am, "(PeteCresswell)" <x...@y.Invalid> wrote:
>> > > Per ComandanteBanana:
>> > > >"They are often being vandalized in a socially divided Paris by >> > > >resentful, angry or anarchic youth, the police and sociologists say."
>> > > I'm not the least bit religious, but I've got say that the sages >> > > had a pretty good working hypothesis with Original Sin. >> > > -- >> > > PeteCresswell
>> > I wondered how a bunch of pimply teenage vandals were suddenly >> > elevated to the doubtful dignity of "terrorists" even in Banana's >> > distorted worldview.
>> I classify rebels in two classes: WITHOUT A CAUSE (as glorified by >> Hollywood) and WITH A CAUSE.
>I'm not a fan of either. I'm a reformer.
>> But I don't like neither one when they seem to hate society and >> destroy things.
>We're still in agreement. I've never met a revo who knew what he would >put in place of whatever he was hot to destroy that week.
>> I'm sure you are a fan of James Dean,
>He was a fine actor, but unlike idiots like you, I don't confuse the >man with the actor's roles.
>> but I like peace and safety in >> the jungle.
>I'm a counter-revolutionary in that I think the entire point of >government is to extend, cultivate and protect the middle classes. >This is wealth distribution by pulling the poor into the mainstream, >not the socialist ideal of pulling everyone down to the same level of >misery.
>Andre Jute >Oldfashioned liberal
I believe the socialist ideal was to make sure that the fruits of labor were divided equitably, not that everyone should be miserable. It may have worked that way in practice, but that was not the intent.
Here, in the USA, the shining example of capitalism, we have a society where we cannot afford to have healthcare for all. Nor can we keep our parks nice, or our cities clean, or our people educated. We can, however, spend huge amounts of money for two unnecessary wars. There's a great thought isn't it, unnecessary war.
Of course, the excesses of the wealthy, led by Greenspan and Rubin, have pretty much pushed our financial system to the limit, which will drain more wealth from the middle class to prop it back up. I don't think Obama will succeed in trying to undue the disaster of the Clinton/Bush years because he's just a centerist democrat. But I sure hope he does, because otherwise we're going to see facism here.
> On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:27:24 -0800 (PST), Andre Jute
> <fiult...@yahoo.com> wrote: > >On Nov 3, 4:27 am, ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> On Nov 2, 9:21 pm, Andre Jute <fiult...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> > On Nov 3, 2:07 am, "(PeteCresswell)" <x...@y.Invalid> wrote:
> >> > > Per ComandanteBanana:
> >> > > >"They are often being vandalized in a socially divided Paris by > >> > > >resentful, angry or anarchic youth, the police and sociologists say."
> >> > > I'm not the least bit religious, but I've got say that the sages > >> > > had a pretty good working hypothesis with Original Sin. > >> > > -- > >> > > PeteCresswell
> >> > I wondered how a bunch of pimply teenage vandals were suddenly > >> > elevated to the doubtful dignity of "terrorists" even in Banana's > >> > distorted worldview.
> >> I classify rebels in two classes: WITHOUT A CAUSE (as glorified by > >> Hollywood) and WITH A CAUSE.
> >I'm not a fan of either. I'm a reformer.
> >> But I don't like neither one when they seem to hate society and > >> destroy things.
> >We're still in agreement. I've never met a revo who knew what he would > >put in place of whatever he was hot to destroy that week.
> >> I'm sure you are a fan of James Dean,
> >He was a fine actor, but unlike idiots like you, I don't confuse the > >man with the actor's roles.
> >> but I like peace and safety in > >> the jungle.
> >I'm a counter-revolutionary in that I think the entire point of > >government is to extend, cultivate and protect the middle classes. > >This is wealth distribution by pulling the poor into the mainstream, > >not the socialist ideal of pulling everyone down to the same level of > >misery.
> >Andre Jute > >Oldfashioned liberal
> I believe the socialist ideal was to make sure that the fruits of > labor were divided equitably, not that everyone should be miserable. > It may have worked that way in practice, but that was not the intent.
> Here, in the USA, the shining example of capitalism, we have a society > where we cannot afford to have healthcare for all. Nor can we keep our > parks nice, or our cities clean, or our people educated. We can, > however, spend huge amounts of money for two unnecessary wars. There's > a great thought isn't it, unnecessary war.
> Of course, the excesses of the wealthy, led by Greenspan and Rubin, > have pretty much pushed our financial system to the limit, which will > drain more wealth from the middle class to prop it back up. I don't > think Obama will succeed in trying to undue the disaster of the > Clinton/Bush years because he's just a centerist democrat. But I sure > hope he does, because otherwise we're going to see facism here.- Hide quoted text -
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What can say, brother, that was a TRIP. The way things will recorded in history if we ever have to write it.
> >Good grief, yes. Cooperation and sharing of resources should be > >verboten here. It's every man for himself and his family. The > >"common welfare" is a socialist notion and should be ignored.
> >Whoever wrote this was clearly anti-American: "We the people of the > >United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish > >justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common > >defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of > >liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this > >Constitution for the United States of America."
> What could be more just than you buying the bike you want and me > buying the bike I want? What better way to insure tranquility or at > least a lack of debate over what is the better bike than for each to > choose and pay for his own?
Well, we continue to have *that* discussion regardless of the ownership question (as do Chevy driver and Ford drivers, Honda riders and Harley riders, SkiDoo owners and Polaris owners and maybe Glock owners and Baretta owners). That's just part of human nature
> If the government buys our bikes then we need to argue over how > expensive they should be and what design and features they should > have.
Velibs are not owned by the Parisian government, at least from what I've been able to tell from the articles.
AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote: > Tim McNamara wrote: > > In article <opmve5t0fepjr47lj42chmkvh4j9em8...@4ax.com>, > > RonSonic <ronso...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
> >> This is America! Buy your own fucking bike.
> > Good grief, yes. Cooperation and sharing of resources should be > > verboten here. It's every man for himself and his family. The > > "common welfare" is a socialist notion and should be ignored.
> > Whoever wrote this was clearly anti-American: "We the people of > > the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish > > justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common > > defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of > > liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish > > this Constitution for the United States of America."
> Then some unreconstructed right wing wingnut wrote this:
> "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, > nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States > respectively, or to the people."
In the lurching history of American political development, an entertaining stroll through history if ever there was one, at one time it was the Democrats and not the Republicans who supported states' rights. In recent times, it is the right wing that has opposed individual freedoms (in the name of "security" or "morality," etc.) and the left that has rolled over and played dead.
In article <prp3f59sudcbi72ujohkpsc35c8bkkh...@4ax.com>,
dgk <d...@somewhere.com> wrote: > I believe the socialist ideal was to make sure that the fruits of > labor were divided equitably, not that everyone should be miserable. > It may have worked that way in practice, but that was not the intent.
Most revolutions end up being tools whereby the strong oppress the weak, usually after getting the weak to do the heavy lifting of revolt. Not infrequently the weak are no better off than they were before.
> Here, in the USA, the shining example of capitalism, we have a society > where we cannot afford to have healthcare for all.
Nor, ironically enough, can we afford to not have health care financing for all (health care finance being the hurdle here).
> Nor can we keep our parks nice, or our cities clean, or our people > educated. We can, however, spend huge amounts of money for two > unnecessary wars. There's a great thought isn't it, unnecessary war.
Oh, our city maintenance and civic quality of life went in the dumper long before the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, at least here in St. Paul. It happened during Norm Coleman's stint as mayor. Our taxes went up, city services went down and corporate welfare boomed. The public welfare, not so much. And education has suffered in America for many years, since we put the whacky and the delusional in charge of our schools on a regular basis. We have become a nation in which stupidity is held up as a virtue and enforced ignorance is seen as good policy.
> Of course, the excesses of the wealthy, led by Greenspan and Rubin, > have pretty much pushed our financial system to the limit, which will > drain more wealth from the middle class to prop it back up. I don't > think Obama will succeed in trying to undue the disaster of the > Clinton/Bush years because he's just a centerist democrat. But I sure > hope he does, because otherwise we're going to see facism here.
Ummm. "Going to?" Maybe you were living somewhere else 2001-2009.
> In article <prp3f59sudcbi72ujohkpsc35c8bkkh...@4ax.com>, > dgk <d...@somewhere.com> wrote: [...] >> Nor can we keep our parks nice, or our cities clean, or our people >> educated. We can, however, spend huge amounts of money for two >> unnecessary wars. There's a great thought isn't it, unnecessary war.
Buchanan seems to think WWII was an unnecessary war, that Britain (Churchill) should have let Hitler and Stalin have their way with Poland. He might be right. After all, what business was it of Britain.
> Oh, our city maintenance and civic quality of life went in the dumper > long before the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, at least here in St. Paul. > It happened during Norm Coleman's stint as mayor. Our taxes went up, > city services went down and corporate welfare boomed. The public > welfare, not so much. And education has suffered in America for many > years, since we put the whacky and the delusional in charge of our > schools on a regular basis. We have become a nation in which stupidity > is held up as a virtue and enforced ignorance is seen as good policy.
All large cities in the US are in the care of Democrats (liberals). No wonder they are so fucked up! And all schooling is in the hands of liberals too. No wonder that is equally fucked up!
>> Of course, the excesses of the wealthy, led by Greenspan and Rubin, >> have pretty much pushed our financial system to the limit, which will >> drain more wealth from the middle class to prop it back up. I don't >> think Obama will succeed in trying to undue the disaster of the >> Clinton/Bush years because he's just a centerist democrat. But I sure >> hope he does, because otherwise we're going to see facism here.
Obama is a far-left-whacko-screwball (all one word) . Tune in to the Glenn Beck show on Fox News to get the facts.
> Ummm. "Going to?" Maybe you were living somewhere else 2001-2009.
Tim McNamara is a Minnesota Liberal, one of the dumbest species ever to inhabit the planet. Types like him gave us Humphrey, E. McCarthy, Mondale and many other assholes to numerous to mention. Now we are stuck with Obama because of ilk like him. What is needed of course is another Reagan!
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
> We have become a nation in which stupidity >is held up as a virtue and enforced ignorance is seen as good policy.
I wouldn't sign on to language that extreme, but I think you have hit on a major reason why the USA is on the long downslide: an even-more-than-usually ignorant and non-critical electorate.
It's easy to blame politicians, but they're just doing what politicians do: try to get elected and re-elected. It's the electorate's sanctioning of the politicians - of whichever party - that is the root cause. -- PeteCresswell
Edward Dolan wrote: > "Tim McNamara" <tim...@bitstream.net> wrote in message > news:timmcn-CFFDA2.17395604112009@news.iphouse.com... >> In article <prp3f59sudcbi72ujohkpsc35c8bkkh...@4ax.com>, >> dgk <d...@somewhere.com> wrote: > [...] >>> Nor can we keep our parks nice, or our cities clean, or our people >>> educated. We can, however, spend huge amounts of money for two >>> unnecessary wars. There's a great thought isn't it, unnecessary war.
> Buchanan seems to think WWII was an unnecessary war, that Britain > (Churchill) should have let Hitler and Stalin have their way with Poland. He > might be right. After all, what business was it of Britain.
One hell of a lot. If Hitler had his way with Poland he would not have stopped anyway. And no, Mr. Ed, he may *NOT* have been right. Get your facts together or go away.
>> Oh, our city maintenance and civic quality of life went in the dumper >> long before the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, at least here in St. Paul. >> It happened during Norm Coleman's stint as mayor. Our taxes went up, >> city services went down and corporate welfare boomed. The public >> welfare, not so much. And education has suffered in America for many >> years, since we put the whacky and the delusional in charge of our >> schools on a regular basis.
Reality check. In 1963 I went to an excellent high school in Arlington Heights, Illinois. I loved it because they had advanced and remedial classes. The jocks went to remedial, most went to regular, and I went to all the advanced classes. The motivation was that all the smart girls were in the advanced classes and I did not have to tolerate the really stupid kids who dragged the whole class down. My parents moved to California in 1963 and it was culture shock. They taught in slow motion and about 2 years behind Illinois schools, and only cared about head count and graduating *everyone* out the door. College was the same. That wasn't anything to do with politics directly, just an already overloaded school system (in 1963).
We have become a nation in which stupidity
>> is held up as a virtue and enforced ignorance is seen as good policy.
GWB was a prime example of that.
> All large cities in the US are in the care of Democrats (liberals). No > wonder they are so fucked up! And all schooling is in the hands of liberals > too. No wonder that is equally fucked up!
Sorry Mr. Ed, the Republicans are worse. Did Bush (either of them) do anything for the schools? Not more than lip service. No child left behind just means that we will dumb down the courses so that Forrest Gump can be an A student. That just ruins it for the smart kids. You are 110% wrong here, Ed.
>>> Of course, the excesses of the wealthy, led by Greenspan and Rubin, >>> have pretty much pushed our financial system to the limit, which will >>> drain more wealth from the middle class to prop it back up. I don't >>> think Obama will succeed in trying to undue the disaster of the >>> Clinton/Bush years because he's just a centerist democrat. But I sure >>> hope he does, because otherwise we're going to see facism here.
Possibly a bit of anarchy thrown in too. Wasn't the American revolution supposed to be about having a free country? I would rather see someone farther left than Obama or at least someone with a clue.
> Obama is a far-left-whacko-screwball (all one word) . Tune in to the Glenn > Beck show on Fox News to get the facts.
WTF do you think *you* are going to accomplish? Glenn Beck? Is he the new Rush Limburger? Another total lying sack of shit we don't need. It does appear that we need a new party free of the good old boys corruption in both parties we have now. Mandatory retirement at 70 should be the rule, not so much because of diminishing ability but to be young enough to keep up with the changes that happen every generation, gradual changes, but they do happen. A law passed by an old man for his generation might not apply to the up and coming generation.
>> Ummm. "Going to?" Maybe you were living somewhere else 2001-2009.
The fascism is already here. I got stopped by two goons on a road on my bicycle because somebody had used their cell phone to say there was a guy on a bicycle with a camera and binoculars. They were DHS and CIA and called a county sheriff to take me and my bike home and out of their turf. Again, I was on a public road with cars zipping by and these clowns told me it was an 'orange' security day. Damn Bush was paranoid about everything.
> Tim McNamara is a Minnesota Liberal, one of the dumbest species ever to > inhabit the planet. Types like him gave us Humphrey, E. McCarthy, Mondale > and many other assholes to numerous to mention. Now we are stuck with Obama > because of ilk like him. What is needed of course is another Reagan!
Ed, Your ignorance is showing. Nixon was one of your kind. President Nancy was a weird 8 years. Bush #1 was bad news and baby weed was really bad if he could single handedly bring down the world economy. What don't you understand?
> Regards,
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > aka > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
My magnificent brain is tired of your not so magnificent drivel. *PLONK* Bill Baka
> Edward Dolan wrote: >> "Tim McNamara" <tim...@bitstream.net> wrote in message >> news:timmcn-CFFDA2.17395604112009@news.iphouse.com... >>> In article <prp3f59sudcbi72ujohkpsc35c8bkkh...@4ax.com>, >>> dgk <d...@somewhere.com> wrote: >> [...] >>>> Nor can we keep our parks nice, or our cities clean, or our people >>>> educated. We can, however, spend huge amounts of money for two >>>> unnecessary wars. There's a great thought isn't it, unnecessary war.
>> Buchanan seems to think WWII was an unnecessary war, that Britain >> (Churchill) should have let Hitler and Stalin have their way with Poland. >> He might be right. After all, what business was it of Britain.
> One hell of a lot. If Hitler had his way with Poland he would not have > stopped anyway. And no, Mr. Ed, he may *NOT* have been right. Get your > facts together or go away.
We can never know if Hitler would have stopped or not. His main interest was in eastern Europe, not western Europe. We do know that he never wanted to attack England. In any event, Churchill is vastly overrated as a leader and most especially as a world strategist. The English were quite right to get rid of him once the war was won.
>>> Oh, our city maintenance and civic quality of life went in the dumper >>> long before the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, at least here in St. Paul. >>> It happened during Norm Coleman's stint as mayor. Our taxes went up, >>> city services went down and corporate welfare boomed. The public >>> welfare, not so much. And education has suffered in America for many >>> years, since we put the whacky and the delusional in charge of our >>> schools on a regular basis.
> Reality check. In 1963 I went to an excellent high school in Arlington > Heights, Illinois. I loved it because they had advanced and remedial > classes. The jocks went to remedial, most went to regular, and I went to > all the advanced classes. The motivation was that all the smart girls were > in the advanced classes and I did not have to tolerate the really stupid > kids who dragged the whole class down. My parents moved to California in > 1963 and it was culture shock. They taught in slow motion and about 2 > years behind Illinois schools, and only cared about head count and > graduating *everyone* out the door. College was the same. That wasn't > anything to do with politics directly, just an already overloaded school > system (in 1963).
It has to do with the liberal belief that everyone should be equal, not just in opportunities, but in outcomes.
> We have become a nation in which stupidity >>> is held up as a virtue and enforced ignorance is seen as good policy.
> GWB was a prime example of that.
Bush will go down in history as a heroic president who began the war on Islamic extremism. We shall soon see what kind of mess Obama is going to make of Afghanistan and Pakistan. He is going to bungle Iran too. It is what happens when you elect a man-child to the presidency.
>> All large cities in the US are in the care of Democrats (liberals). No >> wonder they are so fucked up! And all schooling is in the hands of >> liberals too. No wonder that is equally fucked up!
> Sorry Mr. Ed, the Republicans are worse. Did Bush (either of them) do > anything for the schools? Not more than lip service. No child left behind > just means that we will dumb down the courses so that Forrest Gump can be > an A student. That just ruins it for the smart kids. > You are 110% wrong here, Ed.
Education is almost 100% the responsibility of local government (school boards) and of the states. The federal government has almost nothing do with education. But teachers are 100% liberal democrats. They are the ones who determine what the quality of education is going to be.
>>>> Of course, the excesses of the wealthy, led by Greenspan and Rubin, >>>> have pretty much pushed our financial system to the limit, which will >>>> drain more wealth from the middle class to prop it back up. I don't >>>> think Obama will succeed in trying to undue the disaster of the >>>> Clinton/Bush years because he's just a centerist democrat. But I sure >>>> hope he does, because otherwise we're going to see facism here.
> Possibly a bit of anarchy thrown in too. Wasn't the American revolution > supposed to be about having a free country? I would rather see someone > farther left than Obama or at least someone with a clue.
>> Obama is a far-left-whacko-screwball (all one word) . Tune in to the >> Glenn Beck show on Fox News to get the facts.
> WTF do you think *you* are going to accomplish? Glenn Beck? Is he the new > Rush Limburger? Another total lying sack of shit we don't need. > It does appear that we need a new party free of the good old boys > corruption in both parties we have now. Mandatory retirement at 70 should > be the rule, not so much because of diminishing ability but to be young > enough to keep up with the changes that happen every generation, gradual > changes, but they do happen. A law passed by an old man for his generation > might not apply to the up and coming generation.
Glenn Beck is way over the head of those who do not take politics seriously. He is better than most college professors of political science that I have ever had an acquaintance with. Limbaugh is also educational, but he laces his commentary with entertainment.
>>> Ummm. "Going to?" Maybe you were living somewhere else 2001-2009.
> The fascism is already here. I got stopped by two goons on a road on my > bicycle because somebody had used their cell phone to say there was a guy > on a bicycle with a camera and binoculars. They were DHS and CIA and > called a county sheriff to take me and my bike home and out of their turf. > Again, I was on a public road with cars zipping by and these clowns told > me it was an 'orange' security day. Damn Bush was paranoid about > everything.
It is Obama and liberal Dems who are the control freaks. You have got everything backwards.
>> Tim McNamara is a Minnesota Liberal, one of the dumbest species ever to >> inhabit the planet. Types like him gave us Humphrey, E. McCarthy, Mondale >> and many other assholes to numerous to mention. Now we are stuck with >> Obama because of ilk like him. What is needed of course is another >> Reagan!
> Ed, > Your ignorance is showing. Nixon was one of your kind. President Nancy was > a weird 8 years. Bush #1 was bad news and baby weed was really bad if he > could single handedly bring down the world economy. > What don't you understand?
Nixon was one of my favorite presidents. Reagan and Bush were fine too, most especially when compared to Dems like Carter, Clinton and now Obama. Cheney was the greatest vice president this nation has ever had. He should have a monument erected to celebrate his greatness right next to the Washington Monument. At the least, his likeness should be carved into Mount Rushmore so he can be properly worshipped by the multitudes.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
Edward Dolan wrote: > "Bill Baka" <bb...@comcast.net> wrote in message > news:hctbqh$g3p$1@news.eternal-september.org... >> Edward Dolan wrote: >>> "Tim McNamara" <tim...@bitstream.net> wrote in message >>> news:timmcn-CFFDA2.17395604112009@news.iphouse.com... >>>> In article <prp3f59sudcbi72ujohkpsc35c8bkkh...@4ax.com>, >>>> dgk <d...@somewhere.com> wrote: >>> [...] >>>>> Nor can we keep our parks nice, or our cities clean, or our people >>>>> educated. We can, however, spend huge amounts of money for two >>>>> unnecessary wars. There's a great thought isn't it, unnecessary war. >>> Buchanan seems to think WWII was an unnecessary war, that Britain >>> (Churchill) should have let Hitler and Stalin have their way with Poland. >>> He might be right. After all, what business was it of Britain. >> One hell of a lot. If Hitler had his way with Poland he would not have >> stopped anyway. And no, Mr. Ed, he may *NOT* have been right. Get your >> facts together or go away.
> We can never know if Hitler would have stopped or not. His main interest was > in eastern Europe, not western Europe. We do know that he never wanted to > attack England. In any event, Churchill is vastly overrated as a leader and > most especially as a world strategist. The English were quite right to get > rid of him once the war was won.
>>>> Oh, our city maintenance and civic quality of life went in the dumper >>>> long before the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, at least here in St. Paul. >>>> It happened during Norm Coleman's stint as mayor. Our taxes went up, >>>> city services went down and corporate welfare boomed. The public >>>> welfare, not so much. And education has suffered in America for many >>>> years, since we put the whacky and the delusional in charge of our >>>> schools on a regular basis. >> Reality check. In 1963 I went to an excellent high school in Arlington >> Heights, Illinois. I loved it because they had advanced and remedial >> classes. The jocks went to remedial, most went to regular, and I went to >> all the advanced classes. The motivation was that all the smart girls were >> in the advanced classes and I did not have to tolerate the really stupid >> kids who dragged the whole class down. My parents moved to California in >> 1963 and it was culture shock. They taught in slow motion and about 2 >> years behind Illinois schools, and only cared about head count and >> graduating *everyone* out the door. College was the same. That wasn't >> anything to do with politics directly, just an already overloaded school >> system (in 1963).
> It has to do with the liberal belief that everyone should be equal, not just > in opportunities, but in outcomes.
I'm not just equal. My IQ is well over 140 and I was bored to death in school. College too. I once got into it with my electronics instructor for teaching way too slow.
>> We have become a nation in which stupidity >>>> is held up as a virtue and enforced ignorance is seen as good policy. >> GWB was a prime example of that.
> Bush will go down in history as a heroic president who began the war on > Islamic extremism.
You are a flipping fruitcake if you buy into that. I'm losing any respect for you on this Republican rant.
We shall soon see what kind of mess Obama is going to
> make of Afghanistan and Pakistan. He is going to bungle Iran too. It is what > happens when you elect a man-child to the presidency.
Enough bullshit, Ed. Kennedy was only 43 when he got elected and he did OK until Dallas. It was either a CIA motivated solution to him and Marilyn Monroe or a well oiled job set up by LBJ, the one president I really hated, party not withstanding.
>>> All large cities in the US are in the care of Democrats (liberals). No >>> wonder they are so fucked up! And all schooling is in the hands of >>> liberals too. No wonder that is equally fucked up! >> Sorry Mr. Ed, the Republicans are worse. Did Bush (either of them) do >> anything for the schools? Not more than lip service. No child left behind >> just means that we will dumb down the courses so that Forrest Gump can be >> an A student. That just ruins it for the smart kids. >> You are 110% wrong here, Ed.
> Education is almost 100% the responsibility of local government (school > boards) and of the states.
No shit. Illinois had excellent schools in 1962-3 and California had crappy schools. Two states, one good schools, one horrific schools.
The federal government has almost nothing do with
> education. But teachers are 100% liberal democrats.
Knock off the obvious bullshit, Ed.
They are the ones who
> determine what the quality of education is going to be.
Sure they are. I learned more French in one year in Illinois than I forgot during 2 years in California. In Illinois we had a text, grammar, and spelling book so we could see how it was spelled. In California we had audio/visual teaching which was a complete joke.
>>>>> Of course, the excesses of the wealthy, led by Greenspan and Rubin, >>>>> have pretty much pushed our financial system to the limit, which will >>>>> drain more wealth from the middle class to prop it back up. I don't >>>>> think Obama will succeed in trying to undue the disaster of the >>>>> Clinton/Bush years because he's just a centerist democrat. But I sure >>>>> hope he does, because otherwise we're going to see facism here. >> Possibly a bit of anarchy thrown in too. Wasn't the American revolution >> supposed to be about having a free country? I would rather see someone >> farther left than Obama or at least someone with a clue. >>> Obama is a far-left-whacko-screwball (all one word) . Tune in to the >>> Glenn Beck show on Fox News to get the facts. >> WTF do you think *you* are going to accomplish? Glenn Beck? Is he the new >> Rush Limburger? Another total lying sack of shit we don't need. >> It does appear that we need a new party free of the good old boys >> corruption in both parties we have now. Mandatory retirement at 70 should >> be the rule, not so much because of diminishing ability but to be young >> enough to keep up with the changes that happen every generation, gradual >> changes, but they do happen. A law passed by an old man for his generation >> might not apply to the up and coming generation.
> Glenn Beck is way over the head of those who do not take politics seriously. > He is better than most college professors of political science that I have > On Nov 3, 7:46 pm, Bill Baka <bb...@comcast.net> wrote: >> Engineer wrote: >>> <snip> >>> Thanks for all replies. Yes, it's paper! The dielectric is super >>> thin, brown, translucent (likely impregnated), skin-like paper with >>> very low tensile strength - I did not test for burst and tear but will >>> certainly be low! >>> I plan to replace all of these that are under any B+ stress before >>> further restoration. I'll be using modern 0.12 uF, 630 volt, black >>> plastic, rectangular caps (Korean made.) >> Everything I buy from Korea is checked very carefully. >> If I were you I would replace all those tubular paper capacitors with >> the wax on them. I found some that the leads had come loose and you >> could twirl the capacitor while the leads were still soldered into the >> radio.
>>> Rare original IF's saved, Scott... and lessons learned! >>> Cheers, >>> Roger >> Best of luck. >> Bill Baka > ever had an acquaintance with. Limbaugh is also educational, but he laces > his commentary with entertainment.
>>>> Ummm. "Going to?" Maybe you were living somewhere else 2001-2009. >> The fascism is already here. I got stopped by two goons on a road on my >> bicycle because somebody had used their cell phone to say there was a guy >> on a bicycle with a camera and binoculars. They were DHS and CIA and >> called a county sheriff to take me and my bike home and out of their turf. >> Again, I was on a public road with cars zipping by and these clowns told >> me it was an 'orange' security day. Damn Bush was paranoid about >> everything.
> It is Obama and liberal Dems who are the control freaks. You have got > everything backwards.
>>> Tim McNamara is a Minnesota Liberal, one of the dumbest species ever to >>> inhabit the planet. Types like him gave us Humphrey, E. McCarthy, Mondale >>> and many other assholes to numerous to mention. Now we are stuck with >>> Obama because of ilk like him. What is needed of course is another >>> Reagan! >> Ed, >> Your ignorance is showing. Nixon was one of your kind. President Nancy was >> a weird 8 years. Bush #1 was bad news and baby weed was really bad if he >> could single handedly bring down the world economy. >> What don't you understand?
> Nixon was one of my favorite presidents. Reagan and Bush were fine too, most > especially when compared to Dems like Carter, Clinton and now Obama. Cheney > was the greatest vice president this nation has ever had.
*Now go take your medication because Cheney would cause WWIII. He is a pompous idiot. Read his history.
He should have a
> monument erected to celebrate his greatness right next to the Washington > Monument. At the least, his likeness should be carved into Mount Rushmore so > he can be properly worshipped by the multitudes.
> Edward Dolan wrote: [...] >> Bush will go down in history as a heroic president who began the war on >> Islamic extremism.
> You are a flipping fruitcake if you buy into that. I'm losing any respect > for you on this Republican rant.
> We shall soon see what kind of mess Obama is going to >> make of Afghanistan and Pakistan. He is going to bungle Iran too. It is >> what happens when you elect a man-child to the presidency.
> Enough bullshit, Ed. Kennedy was only 43 when he got elected and he did OK > until Dallas. It was either a CIA motivated solution to him and Marilyn > Monroe or a well oiled job set up by LBJ, the one president I really > hated, party not withstanding.
JFK, just like Obama, was too young and inexperienced to be president. He essentially bungled our relations with the Soviet Union and handled the Cuban invasion like an idiot. He should have supported the exiles with air power which would have made all the difference. He also got us into Vietnam with no idea of how to win the war. People in their 40s, at least in this country, are still babies. You have to be at least in your 50s in order to have any sense. In fact, I like our presidents to be in their 60s.
>>>> All large cities in the US are in the care of Democrats (liberals). No >>>> wonder they are so fucked up! And all schooling is in the hands of >>>> liberals too. No wonder that is equally fucked up! >>> Sorry Mr. Ed, the Republicans are worse. Did Bush (either of them) do >>> anything for the schools? Not more than lip service. No child left >>> behind just means that we will dumb down the courses so that Forrest >>> Gump can be an A student. That just ruins it for the smart kids. >>> You are 110% wrong here, Ed.
>> Education is almost 100% the responsibility of local government (school >> boards) and of the states.
> No shit. Illinois had excellent schools in 1962-3 and California had > crappy schools. Two states, one good schools, one horrific schools.
The Midwestern schools were never any good either. The only good schools were the private schools. All public schools are an abomination, thanks to brainwashed liberal teachers.
> The federal government has almost nothing do with >> education. But teachers are 100% liberal democrats.
> Knock off the obvious bullshit, Ed.
College professors are also 100% liberals. It is a disease that all academics inherit by virtue of their profession. [...]
>> Nixon was one of my favorite presidents. Reagan and Bush were fine too, >> most especially when compared to Dems like Carter, Clinton and now Obama. >> Cheney was the greatest vice president this nation has ever had.
> *Now go take your medication because Cheney would cause WWIII. He is a > pompous idiot. Read his history.
Cheney was a conservative politician from Wyoming and proved to be the bulwark of the Bush administration Thanks to him, we had Islamic extremists on the run. Too bad he could never be elected president because of liberal types like you.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
On Nov 4, 6:39 pm, Tim McNamara <tim...@bitstream.net> wrote:
> In article <prp3f59sudcbi72ujohkpsc35c8bkkh...@4ax.com>,
> dgk <d...@somewhere.com> wrote: > > I believe the socialist ideal was to make sure that the fruits of > > labor were divided equitably, not that everyone should be miserable. > > It may have worked that way in practice, but that was not the intent.
> Most revolutions end up being tools whereby the strong oppress the weak, > usually after getting the weak to do the heavy lifting of revolt. Not > infrequently the weak are no better off than they were before.
Like the "American Revolution"? How about the Eastern Europe ones. They worked... to a degree. Not the real thing, of course.
One thing I'd like to witness though is the oppresion of the drivers by the cyclists!
> > Here, in the USA, the shining example of capitalism, we have a society > > where we cannot afford to have healthcare for all.
> Nor, ironically enough, can we afford to not have health care financing > for all (health care finance being the hurdle here).
The problem is SOMEONE (ie. the Medical Industry) won't give up their lion's share. What can we about it, put him on a diet? ;)
> > Nor can we keep our parks nice, or our cities clean, or our people > > educated. We can, however, spend huge amounts of money for two > > unnecessary wars. There's a great thought isn't it, unnecessary war.
> Oh, our city maintenance and civic quality of life went in the dumper > long before the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, at least here in St. Paul. > It happened during Norm Coleman's stint as mayor. Our taxes went up, > city services went down and corporate welfare boomed. The public > welfare, not so much. And education has suffered in America for many > years, since we put the whacky and the delusional in charge of our > schools on a regular basis. We have become a nation in which stupidity > is held up as a virtue and enforced ignorance is seen as good policy.
I think the whole thing started with Globalization, ie. if you got money who cares anymore about quality of life! Just move to a Gated Community.
> > Of course, the excesses of the wealthy, led by Greenspan and Rubin, > > have pretty much pushed our financial system to the limit, which will > > drain more wealth from the middle class to prop it back up. I don't > > think Obama will succeed in trying to undue the disaster of the > > Clinton/Bush years because he's just a centerist democrat. But I sure > > hope he does, because otherwise we're going to see facism here.
> Ummm. "Going to?" Maybe you were living somewhere else 2001-2009.
Well, this is supposed to be our great last hope. After this... WHAT!!!????
On Nov 4, 8:14 pm, "(PeteCresswell)" <x...@y.Invalid> wrote:
> Per Tim McNamara:
> > We have become a nation in which stupidity > >is held up as a virtue and enforced ignorance is seen as good policy.
> I wouldn't sign on to language that extreme, but I think you have > hit on a major reason why the USA is on the long downslide: an > even-more-than-usually ignorant and non-critical electorate.
> It's easy to blame politicians, but they're just doing what > politicians do: try to get elected and re-elected. It's the > electorate's sanctioning of the politicians - of whichever party > - that is the root cause. > -- > PeteCresswell
Right, the "sheep" must be blamed. That's why I'm calling on them... to rise up! ;)
" I am encouraging the sheep to become black sheep"
On Nov 5, 3:26 am, philosophy <smwil...@tpg.com.au> wrote:
> On Nov 5, 7:41 am, ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Thea is NOT the wolf, just a sheep.
> > Would she JOIN the Black Sheep!?
> Thea is a sweet lady who firmly believes in the Bible and its' > literal interpretation according to Thea. I am not asking her to > "join" anything. I am not here to prosthelize. I am here to > educate, and all I am doing is giving her some options. Funnily > enough, it does not have to impact on "belief" per se. What it > does do is give her some options she may not have previously > had. Another way to put it is the story of the lost sheep. I do > not remember any Black Sheep in the Bible.
See, I am encouraging the sheep to become black sheep.
Black sheep is NOT necessarily an Atheist, but also Agnostic, lover of LOVE, believer in Merlin or other magicians, the Full Moon, the Sun, the Stars, the Beach, the Rastas (they still believe loosely in Jah, but are free to smoke weed and "see" god) and any other magic and belief --Tantra for example-- that does NOT follow a dying man. Martyrdom is dangerous and depressing.
So perhaps one day you'll become a Black Sheep, and be proud of it like me. It's fun doing what you want, even if you sometimes pretend to go with the flow.
Bill Baka <bb...@comcast.net> writes: > Edward Dolan wrote: >> "Bill Baka" <bb...@comcast.net> wrote in message >> news:hctbqh$g3p$1@news.eternal-september.org... >>> Edward Dolan wrote: >>>> "Tim McNamara" <tim...@bitstream.net> wrote in message >>>> news:timmcn-CFFDA2.17395604112009@news.iphouse.com... >>>>> In article <prp3f59sudcbi72ujohkpsc35c8bkkh...@4ax.com>, >>>>> dgk <d...@somewhere.com> wrote: >>>> [...] >>>>>> Nor can we keep our parks nice, or our cities clean, or our people >>>>>> educated. We can, however, spend huge amounts of money for two >>>>>> unnecessary wars. There's a great thought isn't it, unnecessary war. >>>> Buchanan seems to think WWII was an unnecessary war, that Britain >>>> (Churchill) should have let Hitler and Stalin have their way with Poland. >>>> He might be right. After all, what business was it of Britain. >>> One hell of a lot. If Hitler had his way with Poland he would not have >>> stopped anyway. And no, Mr. Ed, he may *NOT* have been right. Get your >>> facts together or go away.
>> We can never know if Hitler would have stopped or not. His main interest was >> in eastern Europe, not western Europe. We do know that he never wanted to >> attack England. In any event, Churchill is vastly overrated as a leader and >> most especially as a world strategist. The English were quite right to get >> rid of him once the war was won.
>>>>> Oh, our city maintenance and civic quality of life went in the dumper >>>>> long before the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, at least here in St. Paul. >>>>> It happened during Norm Coleman's stint as mayor. Our taxes went up, >>>>> city services went down and corporate welfare boomed. The public >>>>> welfare, not so much. And education has suffered in America for many >>>>> years, since we put the whacky and the delusional in charge of our >>>>> schools on a regular basis. >>> Reality check. In 1963 I went to an excellent high school in Arlington >>> Heights, Illinois. I loved it because they had advanced and remedial >>> classes. The jocks went to remedial, most went to regular, and I went to >>> all the advanced classes. The motivation was that all the smart girls were >>> in the advanced classes and I did not have to tolerate the really stupid >>> kids who dragged the whole class down. My parents moved to California in >>> 1963 and it was culture shock. They taught in slow motion and about 2 >>> years behind Illinois schools, and only cared about head count and >>> graduating *everyone* out the door. College was the same. That wasn't >>> anything to do with politics directly, just an already overloaded school >>> system (in 1963).
>> It has to do with the liberal belief that everyone should be equal, not just >> in opportunities, but in outcomes.
> I'm not just equal. My IQ is well over 140 and I was bored to death in > school. College too. I once got into it with my electronics instructor > for teaching way too slow.
"HIS MAJESTY COMANDANTE BANANA KING OF THE APES I," says:
(Hey, even Big Ed is small compared to that, huh?)
"Are you Atheist or anti-Atheist?"
Well, the term "religious" doesn't honor the MATERIALISM and LACK OF SPIRITUALITY of many Christians who are often SHEEP or PREDATOR. Then you must start looking for new names that describe them better without lying.
Yes, we know you Christians are also ANTI bikes, nature, alcohol, drugs, Marley, Beethoven, vegetarians, peace and love.
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