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carlfo...@comcast.net  
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From: carlfo...@comcast.net
Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 00:06:09 -0700
Local: Mon, Nov 2 2009 6:06 pm
Subject: Odd flat
A jolt and a sudden rear flat on a highway shoulder at about 20 mph:
 http://i33.tinypic.com/2d2ai6s.jpg

Quite a change from the usual goathead.

By coincidence, whatever gouged that round impression in the tire
struck between two of the ten patches.

The small loop of a paper-clip shows the angle of the rip through the
kevlar belt tire:
 http://i34.tinypic.com/2hq84k4.jpg

So far, my best guess is a short medium-caliber pistol cartridge case.

Measurement suggests something like a 7.65 mm or .32.

Cheers,

Carl Fogel


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Norman  
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From: Norman <invasivenor...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 13:54:07 -0800 (PST)
Local: Tues, Nov 3 2009 8:54 am
Subject: Re: Odd flat
On Nov 2, 2:06 am, carlfo...@comcast.net wrote:

I found an unfired 9mm luger shell in the road the other day,
but no empty casings or little baggies of confectioner's sugar.
Ah, but I would suggest that it could also be the closure but-
ton from a shoddily made pair of denim class indicators.

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Tim McNamara  
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From: Tim McNamara <tim...@bitstream.net>
Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 22:45:13 -0600
Local: Tues, Nov 3 2009 3:45 pm
Subject: Re: Odd flat
In article
<d3384f19-1fff-40f3-abcf-87615b276...@m13g2000vbf.googlegroups.com>,

Those look like well-applied patches.

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Chalo  
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 More options Nov 3, 9:04 pm
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From: Chalo <chalo.col...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 02:04:35 -0800 (PST)
Local: Tues, Nov 3 2009 9:04 pm
Subject: Re: Odd flat

Tim McNamara wrote:

> > Carl Fogel wrote:

> > > A jolt and a sudden rear flat on a highway shoulder at about 20
> > > mph:  http://i33.tinypic.com/2d2ai6s.jpg

> Those look like well-applied patches.

Carl has lots of practice.

Chalo


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Tim McNamara  
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 More options Nov 5, 1:52 am
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From: Tim McNamara <tim...@bitstream.net>
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 08:52:34 -0600
Local: Thurs, Nov 5 2009 1:52 am
Subject: Re: Odd flat
In article
<0d7f9a78-247a-44ac-9fb6-50f06a750...@l13g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,

 Chalo <chalo.col...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Tim McNamara wrote:

> > > Carl Fogel wrote:

> > > > A jolt and a sudden rear flat on a highway shoulder at about 20
> > > > mph:  http://i33.tinypic.com/2d2ai6s.jpg

> > Those look like well-applied patches.

> Carl has lots of practice.

One of the "benefits" of living in goathead country. We don't have those
here, although we do have a well distributed carpet of glass shards from
beer bottles flung out of car windows.

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Bernhard Agthe  
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 More options Nov 5, 2:58 am
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From: Bernhard Agthe <dark2s...@gmx.net>
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:58:32 +0100
Local: Thurs, Nov 5 2009 2:58 am
Subject: Re: Odd flat
Hi,

My condolences for the flat.

carlfo...@comcast.net wrote:
> The small loop of a paper-clip shows the angle of the rip through the
> kevlar belt tire:

Recently I had four flats in one month (normally one a year), despite my
Kevlar-reinforced tires. Upon closer inspection I found that the rear
tire was worn enough for the fabric to show in some places and the
rubber to lift off the fabric in others. Once the rubber is off the
cloth, the Kevlar reinforcement seems to be pretty useless... In my case
the tire had seen about 12,000 km (7,500 mi) of abuse and had been on as
the rear tire all the time, so I had no problem replacing it other than
my dealer not having the appropriate size stocked ;-) Took a few days to
order a new one, but now I'm happily back on the same brand and model.

As long as the tire is still mostly intact, the Kevlar seems to do a
very good job - my daily commute includes an area full of glass shards
from beer bottles (seems I'm not the only one) and one flat a year is
really acceptable.

In my home country there has recently been a government-induced "green"
shift to plastic bottles for soft drinks (no more cans...) - idiotically
enforcing higher deposits for one-way bottles than for multi-reuse
bottles. Still they did not manage to force the beer industry into
plastic bottles - which I resent most, as this would eliminate *many*
glass shards... Personally I don't care much for the beer, but Coca Cola
has a long-established system of reusable plastic bottles here, so it is
possible (even with highly corrosive drinks ;-)

Ciao...


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Norman  
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 More options Nov 5, 3:14 am
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From: Norman <invasivenor...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 08:14:25 -0800 (PST)
Local: Thurs, Nov 5 2009 3:14 am
Subject: Re: Odd flat
On Nov 4, 10:58 am, Bernhard Agthe <dark2s...@gmx.net> wrote:

I'm not much of one for meddlesome bureaucrats, and their
terrific habit of worming into every aspect of my life, but (&
anecdotally (this ain't science, Chuckles)) Michigan has a
$0.05 or $0.10 deposit on bottles & cans & I swear that it
reduces the glass on the roads by 90%.

If only there was some way to reduce similarly the amount
of car window & headlight glass.  I guess handing out free
Glasgow smiles to every driver might partially ameliorate the
problem.


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Bernhard Agthe  
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 More options Nov 5, 10:35 pm
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From: Bernhard Agthe <dark2s...@gmx.net>
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 12:35:50 +0100
Local: Thurs, Nov 5 2009 10:35 pm
Subject: Re: Odd flat
Hi,

Norman wrote:
> I'm not much of one for meddlesome bureaucrats, and their
> terrific habit of worming into every aspect of my life, but (&
> anecdotally (this ain't science, Chuckles)) Michigan has a
> $0.05 or $0.10 deposit on bottles & cans & I swear that it
> reduces the glass on the roads by 90%.

Actually, we have a 15ct. deposit on beer bottles, but (from personal
experience I feel obliged to say that) many adolescents are so drunk by
the time they've sniffed the beer twice that they start throwing
half-full(!) beer bottles. Sometimes even the boxes (and there's a more
substantial deposit on those). So I doubt anyone who says that just
increasing the deposit would help... The half-growns simply have too
much money. Sadly so.

> If only there was some way to reduce similarly the amount
> of car window & headlight glass.  I guess handing out free
> Glasgow smiles to every driver might partially ameliorate the
> problem.

It might help to change vehicle codes to disallow windows while
increasing the view from motor vehicles :-) That would certainly slow
car traffic for a while ;-)

Honestly, I think that the view from many (not all) motor vehicles is
much too restricted... Car drivers /feel/ *too* save... So, in my
opinion, just increasing the window sizes would probably reduce
accidents... Instead there are more and more vehicles that actually need
a video system to enable the driver to "see" behind the car :-(

Ciao...


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outlaw7x77  
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 More options Nov 6, 3:15 am
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From: outlaw7x77 <outlaw7...@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 08:15:31 -0800 (PST)
Local: Fri, Nov 6 2009 3:15 am
Subject: Re: Odd flat
On Nov 1, 11:06 pm, carlfo...@comcast.net wrote:

A newer tire might of withstood that impression...look at the bright
side, now you can buy a new tire and not feel like you didn't get your
moneys worth;)

Brian


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Norman  
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 More options Nov 6, 4:54 am
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From: Norman <invasivenor...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 09:54:47 -0800 (PST)
Local: Fri, Nov 6 2009 4:54 am
Subject: Re: Odd flat
On Nov 5, 12:26 pm, Phil W Lee <phil(at)lee-family(dot)me(dot)uk>
wrote:

I definitely still saw broken glass up there, don't
get me wrong, but the prevalence was reduced
astonishingly.

Speaking as someone who once drove heavy trucks
to pay for my lifestyle (beer, cigars, & fried earth-apple
sandwiches 8 times a day), an "A" pillar the size of a
goat isn't really an excuse.  If a body makes half an ef-
fort (I know, that's asking a bit much from the college
educated bloaters who roll from salad shop to burger
barn) they can see what's around them.  I never seemed
to have a problem spotting empty shell casings or 10cm
deck screws lying in the road from 2.5 meters above,
but I can't see what their damn excuse is.

One of the driving schools (I for get which one) would
glue a serving bowl to the hood of the automobile and
put a tennis ball in it.  If the ball rolled out, you were
doing it wrong.  Honestly, though, I'd suggest a small
loop of piano wire around the seat-back which then
goes around the driver's neck.  The feedback is a bit
more direct that way.


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AMuzi  
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 More options Nov 6, 6:39 am
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From: AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org>
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 13:39:11 -0600
Local: Fri, Nov 6 2009 6:39 am
Subject: Re: Odd flat

Lotus Super Seven solved that and many other problems.
Elegantly:
http://www.simplesevens.org/sellers.htm

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 More options Nov 6, 11:28 am
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From: Norman <invasivenor...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 16:28:11 -0800 (PST)
Local: Fri, Nov 6 2009 11:28 am
Subject: Re: Odd flat
On Nov 5, 2:39 pm, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

Caterham still makes it (I believe, or they did as of a couple
of years ago) as the "Super 7" with (again, old info) a Ford
Contour 4 cylinder (not legal in the People's Republic of
Western Nevada formerly known as California) of all things.

If I had to have a vehicle, and couldn't chuse a gl1000, that
would be it.  And a new mackintosh, obviously.


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Clive George  
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 More options Nov 6, 11:48 am
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From: "Clive George" <cl...@xxxx-x.fsnet.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 00:48:05 -0000
Local: Fri, Nov 6 2009 11:48 am
Subject: Re: Odd flat
"Norman" <invasivenor...@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:ea8b37d4-c65e-4948-b198-d74dbe7786eb@r24g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...

>> Lotus Super Seven solved that and many other problems.
>> Elegantly:http://www.simplesevens.org/sellers.htm

>Caterham still makes it (I believe, or they did as of a couple
>of years ago) as the "Super 7" with (again, old info) a Ford
>Contour 4 cylinder (not legal in the People's Republic of
>Western Nevada formerly known as California) of all things.

Caterham 7s are still going. Over here they used Rover K-Series engines for
quite a while, but are now on various Fords.

http://www.caterham.co.uk/assets/html/about/faq.html#faq1


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 More options Nov 6, 11:51 am
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From: AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org>
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 18:51:58 -0600
Local: Fri, Nov 6 2009 11:51 am
Subject: Re: Odd flat

Clive George wrote:
> "Norman" <invasivenor...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:ea8b37d4-c65e-4948-b198-d74dbe7786eb@r24g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
>>> Lotus Super Seven solved that and many other problems.
>>> Elegantly:http://www.simplesevens.org/sellers.htm

>> Caterham still makes it (I believe, or they did as of a couple
>> of years ago) as the "Super 7" with (again, old info) a Ford
>> Contour 4 cylinder (not legal in the People's Republic of
>> Western Nevada formerly known as California) of all things.

> Caterham 7s are still going. Over here they used Rover K-Series engines for
> quite a while, but are now on various Fords.

> http://www.caterham.co.uk/assets/html/about/faq.html#faq1

And still no wussy door pillars. Good design!

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 More options Nov 6, 5:34 pm
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From: RonSonic <ronso...@tampabay.rr.com>
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2009 01:34:05 -0500
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Subject: Re: Odd flat
On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 00:48:05 -0000, "Clive George" <cl...@xxxx-x.fsnet.co.uk>
wrote:

>"Norman" <invasivenor...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:ea8b37d4-c65e-4948-b198-d74dbe7786eb@r24g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
>>> Lotus Super Seven solved that and many other problems.
>>> Elegantly:http://www.simplesevens.org/sellers.htm

>>Caterham still makes it (I believe, or they did as of a couple
>>of years ago) as the "Super 7" with (again, old info) a Ford
>>Contour 4 cylinder (not legal in the People's Republic of
>>Western Nevada formerly known as California) of all things.

>Caterham 7s are still going. Over here they used Rover K-Series engines for
>quite a while, but are now on various Fords.

>http://www.caterham.co.uk/assets/html/about/faq.html#faq1

They offer financing?!?!!!!!!11

It is a beautiful world in which we live.

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Oh damn. There's that annoying blog. Again.  http://dumbbikeblog.blogspot.com


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 More options Nov 6, 10:38 pm
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From: thirty-six <thirty-...@live.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 03:38:29 -0800 (PST)
Local: Fri, Nov 6 2009 10:38 pm
Subject: Re: Odd flat
On 6 Nov, 00:51, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

> Clive George wrote:
> > Caterham 7s are still going. Over here they used Rover K-Series engines for
> > quite a while, but are now on various Fords.

Rover 16valve K series is a solid engine (given maintainence checks
and avoiding the monkey fitter) which can output 100bhp/litre in
normal aspiration (cored catalyst).  I think the Sevens were happy on
the 1.4litre.  I think the 1.6 with greater torque would likely need
longer legs to benefit such a lightweight vehicle.   The Rover engine
was so suitable because of its low mass.

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