Don't know and cannot recommend... but the post begs a question for me: does anybody know of a device with look/feel similar to the device cited that includes
- A screen that shows ForeRunner-301-type stuff like current speed, average speed
- Has an auto-pause option where the average speed computation is suspended below a preset speed
- A "location" screen that shows lat/lon in big type?
Basically, I'm looking for something that I can read the numbers on from, say 3 feet, without having to use reading glasses.
The map is a nice-to-have, but readability for the temporarily visually-impaired is the core function. -- PeteCresswell
buy cheap if the unit is mounted on the bar. look for a waterproof standard or buya bag.
before buying Garmin ( I maybe dated here) check the other brands for visual performance. If hilly terrain is your forte then software diffreneces may exist where one unit displays topo contours better than Garmin. I have a garmin 76. In muh van, the Garmin links into a Dell 17" laptop on the doghouse AND Streets and Trips. Notice that Streets reads out on guess what ? streets !!!!! whereas the Garmin software, the software used here on a 2007 unit, does not read out into streets unless laboriously programmed - at least that's my uneducated procedure - maybe Garmin's software does read/program ONTO streets ???
I'll buy another Garmin but if garmin had Microsoftware I'd buy one tomorrow.
I have a Garmin Forerunner 305 that I use for running and biking it is great and dead accurate. I bought it so I could use it for running but also the bike without putting a computer on the bike. Well I finally got a wireless computer ( see previous threads) did not realize how well they have come along.
I still put my 305 on when I ride because you get an actual map of where you have been. I know all the country roads in Cent Ill. but it is neat to get a visual of where you have been. I originally thought the Garmin would be more accurate that my Trek incite i8 but they are both dead accurate. I have road 50 miles ride and they show 50 and 50.02
The 305 has heart monitor but I don't use that too much and it is really only for fun. I don't train by heart rate and the monitor does not need be on for me to know when I am wiped out. I think you can get a Garmin for less the $200 on the net and I recommend it although it is not screen GPS.
-- Deacon Mark Cleary Epiphany Roman Catholic Church
Had the Garmin Mapsource/Streets running transferring into the 76 unit for a trip downtown in San Diego via bus: walking from bus to... is shorter.
So, having Streets and Mapsource running in the van - Streets may show you where to turn while Garmin's Nroute (the mobile Mapsource free with TopoUSA ?) tells you WHERE you are as the van gets run down Mystery Canyon No. 141.
Streets (2007) does make mistakes then sometimes blows the mind with truly scenic epic drives yawl never know on urown.
Garmin put me into Simmler last week outside Carrizon NM where the San Andreas begins running straight to Salton Sea. Simmler is Taft's oil/ Ag town. But there is no Simmler. Simmler exists only as a mapped town plan not as reality. Use Google Ert to check on where when where is remote.
The garmin 76 unit has a 'follow road' selection. The 76 used here doesn't follow anything. If someone has an answer for this please post or email.
Try J&R for prices before buying: reliable and usually down near the bottom in price.
> Had the Garmin Mapsource/Streets running transferring into the 76 unit > for a trip downtown in San Diego via bus: walking from bus to... is > shorter.
> So, having Streets and Mapsource running in the van - Streets may show > you where to turn while Garmin's Nroute (the mobile Mapsource free > with TopoUSA ?) tells you WHERE you are as the van gets run down > Mystery Canyon No. 141.
> Streets (2007) does make mistakes then sometimes blows the mind with > truly scenic epic drives yawl never know on urown.
> Garmin put me into Simmler last week outside Carrizon NM where the San > Andreas begins running straight to Salton Sea. Simmler is Taft's oil/ > Ag town. But there is no Simmler. Simmler exists only as a mapped town > plan not as reality. Use Google Ert to check on where when where is > remote.
> The garmin 76 unit has a 'follow road' selection. The 76 used here > doesn't follow anything. If someone has an answer for this please post > or email.
You need "routable maps" for that to work. Some maps are just pictures of roads, without knowing where they are one-way, or how fast you can probably go on them. Without this metadata the gadget cannot plan a route sensibly so refuses.
Try OSM (Wikipedia of maps). Routeable OSM maps are available for most places these days and you can put them on your Garmin. The quality of the mapping is correlated with how many geeks live around there, but is usually very impressive.
I don't have a stand-alone, I just use my phone w/internet + Google maps--and I have no convenient mount for the phone,,,, so I don't really use it while underway on the bicycle at all.
One thing I have noticed is that if it is a SUNNY day, I am in an area where there's no shade and I want to check anything on the phone,,,, it's damn near impossible to read the display in full sunlight at all. Even standing under a shady tree, the phone's display is difficult to see.
I don't have a dedicated one myself (or know anyone who does, and beings it cycling) so I don't know if they're any better in this regard--but if I was going on any long bicycle ride where I thought that reading the GPS might be critical, I would bring along a black cape to drape over my head to see it, like what the olde-tyme photographers used. And no, I'm not joking.
When I am in a car I can usually see it well enough. I haven't had it through a winter snow yet--so when there's snow around, it might still be too bright to see, even in a car...... ~
On Nov 4, 1:40 pm, DougC <dcim...@norcom2000.com> wrote:
> it's damn near impossible to read the display in full sunlight at all. > if > I was going on any long bicycle ride where I thought that reading the > GPS might be critical, I would bring along a black cape to drape over my > head to see it, like what the olde-tyme photographers used. And no, I'm > not joking.
Get a proper rain poncho of which one end is flung over the handlebars and, presumably, the GPS too, then you can just duck your head into the poncho like a tortoise, make a quick check on the GPS -- and wake up in hospital.
By the way, the cheap poncho pictured may in fact be a good one. It appears to be either a ripoff or an unbranded version of an Agu poncho for which I paid 40 Euro, complete with the same storage and waist bag, and if it is as well made as the Agu it is definitely a bargain.
On 2009-11-04, datakoll <datak...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Ace ! Verrrrry interesting but life is short....
> where in there, is a program translating Garmin's unroutable > mapsource into Farmin's routable Mapsoruce for GPS ?
Can't be done: Assuming unroutable mapsource is really unroutable, and not just pretending to be so out of malice or software bugs, going from unroutable to routable requires the addition of information.
take a look at the handle bar Garmin when at Wal - the colors are prop different. use your shirt. a tow truck driver I know has a cell readable in Florida sunlight but there's a large primo batt attached and does it read out at hi noon ?
On Nov 4, 2:40 pm, Ben C <spams...@spam.eggs> wrote:
> On 2009-11-04, datakoll <datak...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Ace ! Verrrrry interesting but life is short....
> > where in there, is a program translating Garmin's unroutable > > mapsource into Farmin's routable Mapsoruce for GPS ?
> Can't be done: Assuming unroutable mapsource is really unroutable, and > not just pretending to be so out of malice or software bugs, going from > unroutable to routable requires the addition of information.
YES YES YES !!! by all means let us add information but with what software ? and off course where does the 76csx's "follow road" enter ?
for example, the Canadian "HS student" asking for $$$ for routing appears on UTUBE running a track backtrack program for Garmin when off course Garmin has track backtrack. At that juncture, dualuse Streets and then Mapsource waypoints with 'go to' straight lines are ok.
The lack of trails routing was dissappointing having experienced several 5 way clearings.
So, which program adds routing to the unroutable Garmin ?
On Nov 4, 3:57 pm, datakoll <datak...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> take a look at the handle bar Garmin when at Wal - the colors are prop > different. use your shirt. a tow truck driver I know has a cell > readable in Florida sunlight but there's a large primo batt attached > and does it read out at hi noon ?
On 2009-11-05, datakoll <datak...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Hay Gene >> Which Garman is that? >> Thanks
> the cell phone ? unknown
> the garmin ? idunno. I assume Garmin worked out the bar sunlight > problem. The 76 I use works ok day/night
The "outdoor" Garmins are fine in daylight, the brighter the better. Set backlight to zero to prolong battery life-- the light makes no difference in daylight.
The ones you're expected to mainly use in the car are brighter, need the light all the time, and use more power, but you just plug them into the car so it doesn't matter.
I suspect there is a difference between "reflective" LCD displays and "transmitted light" ones. i.e. some need light pushed through the back of them to work.
> On Nov 4, 2:40 pm, Ben C <spams...@spam.eggs> wrote: >> On 2009-11-04, datakoll <datak...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > Ace ! Verrrrry interesting but life is short....
>> > where in there, is a program translating Garmin's unroutable >> > mapsource into Farmin's routable Mapsoruce for GPS ?
>> Can't be done: Assuming unroutable mapsource is really unroutable, and >> not just pretending to be so out of malice or software bugs, going from >> unroutable to routable requires the addition of information.
> YES YES YES !!! by all means let us add information but with what > software ? and off course where does the 76csx's "follow road" enter ?
> for example, the Canadian "HS student" asking for $$$ for routing > appears on UTUBE running a track backtrack program for Garmin when off > course Garmin has track backtrack. > At that juncture, dualuse Streets and then Mapsource waypoints with > 'go to' straight lines are ok.
> The lack of trails routing was dissappointing having experienced > several 5 way clearings.
> So, which program adds routing to the unroutable Garmin ?
I don't know of any, but it would be hard work to add routing information to everything, even with the software. Easier just to get your hands on the routable version. I'm sure there is a routable Mapsource.
"Follow road"-- what's that, it frobs the GPS position a bit to snap you onto the nearest road? It doesn't need to be routable for that, just to know where the roads are.
> On 2009-11-05, datakoll <datak...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> Hay Gene > >> Which Garman is that? > >> Thanks
> > the cell phone ? unknown
> > the garmin ? idunno. I assume Garmin worked out the bar sunlight > > problem. The 76 I use works ok day/night
> The "outdoor" Garmins are fine in daylight, the brighter the better. Set > backlight to zero to prolong battery life-- the light makes no > difference in daylight.
> The ones you're expected to mainly use in the car are brighter, need the > light all the time, and use more power, but you just plug them into the > car so it doesn't matter.
> I suspect there is a difference between "reflective" LCD displays and > "transmitted light" ones. i.e. some need light pushed through the back > of them to work.
i DUNAH SEE ANYONE RUSHING FORTH WITH THE ANSW SO WE'LL DRAG IT OVER TO THAT OTHER BUNCH OF NUTS IN GPS
I don't knpw about this, the metro maps may 'follow road' not the Topo.
from Jack E'
The use of the Follow Road and Off Road option controlled by another preference setting. I think the default setting is that it will use Follow Road and not ask you which you want to use. So if your go to Routing on the Setup page, you can change that setting. Press Menu, Menu, choose Setup, press Enter Highlight Routing, press enter, Choose Guidance Method, press Enter, Choose Prompted, press Enter, then press Quit to get back to navigation. The Follow Road method means it will default to following the road vectors on the base map (or supplemental mapping if turned on) instead of proceeding directly from one waypoint to another. I use the following settings on the Routing menu: Guidance Method - Prompted Follow Road Method - Faster Time Next Turn Pop-up - On Follow Road Options (high light and press Enter to see) Off Route Recalculation - Prompted Calculation Method - Best Route Calculate Routes For - Car/Motorcycle Avoid - Unpaved Roads When I use my 76Cx on the road, if I'm going to be doing it for some time, I'll change the Off Route Recalculation setting back from Prompted to Auto so I don't have to make the choices and press buttons while I am driving and get off route. But otherwise, it is best if you decide it on a case by case basis if you are using both Follow Road and Off Road routes. I posted a link to a text file with my default settings a while back and someone found it helpful for getting a better feeling for all the various preferences and options settings for these receivers:
I don't have time to pursue this game, what is Henderson doing ? Is the application taking altering the visual road as seen on the flatscreen into a continuous waypoint as in Streets and Trips or what ?
Does the final product function as enter map, enter continuous waypoint software, produce map functioning like Streets and trips ?
The recommended program from the recommended website collection of these programs appears to be a humorous but involved scam for $25 where the purveyor was handdrawing tracks (continuous waypoint) or using traveled gramin track to uh...get $25.
datakoll wrote: > I don't have time to pursue this game, what is Henderson doing ? Is > the application taking altering the visual road as seen on the > flatscreen into a continuous waypoint as in Streets and Trips or > what ?
> Does the final product function as enter map, enter continuous > waypoint software, produce map functioning like Streets and trips ?
Most people who use OSM maps (routable or not) on Garmin GPS units download them from a site offering a version which someone else is making routinely and periodically.
For Garmin GPS units which take a plug-in memory card (SD or microSD size), you just buy a blank card (2GB is a good size), create a folder "garmin" on the card and place the Garmin-format map image file into it. That file must be called "gmapsupp.img".
Look for routable maps if you want turn-by-turn instructions for getting from "A" to "B".
I've also seen reference to http://www.gpsfiledepot.com/ as a site offering USA-focused maps, but I don't know if any are OSM-based or routable.
> The recommended program from the recommended website collection of > these programs appears to be a humorous but involved scam for $25 > where the purveyor was handdrawing tracks (continuous waypoint) or > using traveled gramin track to uh...get $25.
Why not software that would change Garmin's, maps into Street and Trips 'continuous waypoint' maps. Not for say a complete small state area but only the days trip.
Or software taking what is available from Mapsource, tracing a route more or less onto the road to be traveled, with software correcting the inevitable slop, implanting the slop directly onto themapped road surface.
From my ignorance, I did read the Golden Braid, I wonder if commands are given to route the an entire routing mechanism is possible.
On 2009-11-11, datakoll <datak...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I don't have time to pursue this game, what is Henderson doing ? Is > the application taking altering the visual road as seen on the > flatscreen into a continuous waypoint as in Streets and Trips or > what ?
Dunno what your model does, but mine goes into a whole different mode of behaviour where it marks up a route on the map, draws big white arrows, and provides instructions like "SE on Wellington Street" and so on.
The route doesn't get saved anywhere as a "route".
I think you can also make a route manually with a few waypoints (not too many) and then tell it to "recalculate on road" and it does a route on roads that goes via all those waypoints. But I've never actually done that.
> Does the final product function as enter map, enter continuous > waypoint software, produce map functioning like Streets and trips ?
> The recommended program from the recommended website collection of > these programs appears to be a humorous but involved scam for $25 > where the purveyor was handdrawing tracks (continuous waypoint) or > using traveled gramin track to uh...get $25.
Very quick to try OSM. Just download a map of somewhere near where you are from one of those sites we mentioned, and then see what your device does with it.
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