I realize 800km isn't a huge mileage on you Rohloff-equipped bike but still...
Now that you have some experience of the Rohloff, would you, if the opportunity offered, swap your derailleur-equipped touring bike for a Rohloff? Let's say with the intention of undertaking another of those Alpine tours that you posted photos of a while ago.
Anyone else is of course welcome to chime in. If you already have a Rohloff, say what sort of a bike it is in so we can grasp where you're coming from.
*** My own Rohloff is in a 29-er utility/commuter/loaded touring type of bike, so I'm there already, except I don't tour, I speed down hills on the small roads in my backyard. http://www.audio-talk.co.uk/fiultra/Andre%20Jute's%20Utopia%20Kranich... If I did tour, I would choose a Rohloff or, on an undemanding short tour, even a Shimano Nexus 8 speed over derailleurs.
> I realize 800km isn't a huge mileage on you Rohloff-equipped bike but > still...
I agree that is not much, but I have so many bikes who need all attention ;-)
> Now that you have some experience of the Rohloff, would you, if the > opportunity offered, swap your derailleur-equipped touring bike for a > Rohloff? Let's say with the intention of undertaking another of those > Alpine tours that you posted photos of a while ago.
I would never swap a derailleur equipped bike for a Rohloff hub if the bike was only used on the road. The steps between the gears are to large for me and I don't mind the (little) maintenance of a derailleur system. But to be honest I don't do touring as in touring over a long distance with luggage and so in a far away country. I did buy that bike for one reason only and that is off road in very muddy conditions. Rohloff is unbeatable in those conditions. It just keep working and the steps between the gears is no problem off road. So far the weather is very good this autumn. See the picture a friend of mine took from todays ride in the South of The Netherlands (who says it is flat?)
In those conditions I prefer my full suspension ATB. Better for my old bones ;-)
> Anyone else is of course welcome to chime in. If you already have a > Rohloff, say what sort of a bike it is in so we can grasp where you're > coming from.
> *** > My own Rohloff is in a 29-er utility/commuter/loaded touring type of > bike, so I'm there already, except I don't tour, I speed down hills on > the small roads in my backyard. > http://www.audio-talk.co.uk/fiultra/Andre%20Jute's%20Utopia%20Kranich... > If I did tour, I would choose a Rohloff or, on an undemanding short > tour, even a Shimano Nexus 8 speed over derailleurs.
> > I realize 800km isn't a huge mileage on you Rohloff-equipped bike but > > still...
> I agree that is not much, but I have so many bikes who need all > attention ;-)
> > Now that you have some experience of the Rohloff, would you, if the > > opportunity offered, swap your derailleur-equipped touring bike for a > > Rohloff? Let's say with the intention of undertaking another of those > > Alpine tours that you posted photos of a while ago.
> I would never swap a derailleur equipped bike for a Rohloff hub if the > bike was only used on the road. The steps between the gears are to large > for me and I don't mind the (little) maintenance of a derailleur system. > But to be honest I don't do touring as in touring over a long distance > with luggage and so in a far away country. I did buy that bike for one > reason only and that is off road in very muddy conditions. Rohloff is > unbeatable in those conditions. It just keep working and the steps > between the gears is no problem off road. > So far the weather is very good this autumn. See the picture a friend of > mine took from todays ride in the South of The Netherlands (who says it > is flat?)
That would definitely qualify as flat here... When I wanted to test my speed on the flat to see if I could maintain 25mph for any distance, I deliberately had to go find a flat road because we don't normally ride on any. But here in West Cork, we don't even have a trail like that; if we had, the council would tarmac it and turn it into another lane.
Today the temperature was so high, I left the cords and brushed cotton shirt off in favour of khakis. Altogether amazing for late October.
> In those conditions I prefer my full suspension ATB. Better for my old > bones ;-)
> > Anyone else is of course welcome to chime in. If you already have a > > Rohloff, say what sort of a bike it is in so we can grasp where you're > > coming from.
> > *** > > My own Rohloff is in a 29-er utility/commuter/loaded touring type of > > bike, so I'm there already, except I don't tour, I speed down hills on > > the small roads in my backyard. > > http://www.audio-talk.co.uk/fiultra/Andre%20Jute's%20Utopia%20Kranich... > > If I did tour, I would choose a Rohloff or, on an undemanding short > > tour, even a Shimano Nexus 8 speed over derailleurs.
> I realize 800km isn't a huge mileage on you Rohloff-equipped bike but > still...
> Now that you have some experience of the Rohloff, would you, if the > opportunity offered, swap your derailleur-equipped touring bike for a > Rohloff? Let's say with the intention of undertaking another of those > Alpine tours that you posted photos of a while ago.
> Anyone else is of course welcome to chime in. If you already have a > Rohloff, say what sort of a bike it is in so we can grasp where you're > coming from.
> *** > My own Rohloff is in a 29-er utility/commuter/loaded touring type of > bike, so I'm there already, except I don't tour, I speed down hills on > the small roads in my backyard. > http://www.audio-talk.co.uk/fiultra/Andre%20Jute's%20Utopia%20Kranich... > If I did tour, I would choose a Rohloff or, on an undemanding short > tour, even a Shimano Nexus 8 speed over derailleurs.
I recently had a custom titanium road bike built, specifically with the sliding OEM dropouts for a Rohloff. (Mainly because I'm leery of the new 10 & 11 speed stuff.) I find the gearing differences to be just about right. Still like to know why I have to tighten up the chain tension 1 - 3 times/week. (I thought there was LESS maintenance with these things?) Only thing I think I would have done different is had a "normal" frame built for it. I know it wouldn't have looked as neat -- no messy toque arm or cables sticking straight up on mine! -- but would avoid the problem of having to angle my shoes out to avoid hitting the VERY wide chain stays.
>I recently had a custom titanium road bike built, specifically with >the sliding OEM dropouts for a Rohloff. (Mainly because I'm leery of >the new 10 & 11 speed stuff.) I find the gearing differences to be >just about right. Still like to know why I have to tighten up the >chain tension 1 - 3 times/week.
Two answers to that : either your dropouts are slipping, or you're running with too much tension. The latter will wear things out - how much tension do you have?
> On Oct 31, 5:48 pm, Andre Jute <fiult...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> Yo, Lou:
>> I realize 800km isn't a huge mileage on you Rohloff-equipped bike but >> still...
>> Now that you have some experience of the Rohloff, would you, if the >> opportunity offered, swap your derailleur-equipped touring bike for a >> Rohloff? Let's say with the intention of undertaking another of those >> Alpine tours that you posted photos of a while ago.
>> Anyone else is of course welcome to chime in. If you already have a >> Rohloff, say what sort of a bike it is in so we can grasp where you're >> coming from.
>> *** >> My own Rohloff is in a 29-er utility/commuter/loaded touring type of >> bike, so I'm there already, except I don't tour, I speed down hills on >> the small roads in my backyard. >> http://www.audio-talk.co.uk/fiultra/Andre%20Jute's%20Utopia%20Kranich... >> If I did tour, I would choose a Rohloff or, on an undemanding short >> tour, even a Shimano Nexus 8 speed over derailleurs.
> I recently had a custom titanium road bike built, specifically with > the sliding OEM dropouts for a Rohloff. (Mainly because I'm leery of > the new 10 & 11 speed stuff.) I find the gearing differences to be > just about right. Still like to know why I have to tighten up the > chain tension 1 - 3 times/week. (I thought there was LESS maintenance > with these things?) Only thing I think I would have done different is > had a "normal" frame built for it. I know it wouldn't have looked as > neat -- no messy toque arm or cables sticking straight up on mine! -- > but would avoid the problem of having to angle my shoes out to avoid > hitting the VERY wide chain stays.
If a custom frame built, why did you not choose for a eccentric BB; much neater, no slipping and easier wheel removal. Why did a Rohllof hub made your chainstays much wider?
>Now that you have some experience of the Rohloff, would you, if the >opportunity offered, swap your derailleur-equipped touring bike for a >Rohloff? Let's say with the intention of undertaking another of those >Alpine tours that you posted photos of a while ago.
>Anyone else is of course welcome to chime in. If you already have a >Rohloff, say what sort of a bike it is in so we can grasp where you're >coming from.
I've got two of the things: one on my FS MTB and the other on my quasi-road bike (a hardtail w/skinny tires).
Looking it from the other side, if it were just me, I wouldn't think of swapping out the Rohloff for a der.
OTOH, if I had to tour in company and keep up with other riders - and had at least some chance of doing so - I would have to consider switching to a der system.
Reason: although Rohloff's uniform 13.something percent between gears is fine for me riding alone, I would probably need a more variable-spaced range to keep up with others (closer spacing in the top). -- PeteCresswell
On Nov 1, 12:59 am, Andre Jute <fiult...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Oct 31, 10:19 pm, Lou Holtman <lhollaatditmaar...@planet.nl> wrote: > > So far the weather is very good this autumn.
> Today the temperature was so high, I left the cords and brushed cotton > shirt off in favour of khakis. Altogether amazing for late October.
Ha! That was yesterday. Today we were back in the heavy wear, me in cords and brushed cotton shirt, the padalspals in heavy sweaters. And rained on intermittently, jackets and sweaters on and off. Still, a worthwhile ride. In the north of Germany and in parts of Scandinavia they'd probably think 11 degrees Celsius a spring day!
> On Oct 31, 5:48 pm, Andre Jute <fiult...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Yo, Lou:
> > I realize 800km isn't a huge mileage on you Rohloff-equipped bike but > > still...
> > Now that you have some experience of the Rohloff, would you, if the > > opportunity offered, swap your derailleur-equipped touring bike for a > > Rohloff? Let's say with the intention of undertaking another of those > > Alpine tours that you posted photos of a while ago.
> > Anyone else is of course welcome to chime in. If you already have a > > Rohloff, say what sort of a bike it is in so we can grasp where you're > > coming from.
> > *** > > My own Rohloff is in a 29-er utility/commuter/loaded touring type of > > bike, so I'm there already, except I don't tour, I speed down hills on > > the small roads in my backyard. > > http://www.audio-talk.co.uk/fiultra/Andre%20Jute's%20Utopia%20Kranich... > > If I did tour, I would choose a Rohloff or, on an undemanding short > > tour, even a Shimano Nexus 8 speed over derailleurs.
> I recently had a custom titanium road bike built, specifically with > the sliding OEM dropouts for a Rohloff. (Mainly because I'm leery of > the new 10 & 11 speed stuff.) I find the gearing differences to be > just about right. Still like to know why I have to tighten up the > chain tension 1 - 3 times/week. (I thought there was LESS maintenance > with these things?) Only thing I think I would have done different is > had a "normal" frame built for it. I know it wouldn't have looked as > neat -- no messy toque arm or cables sticking straight up on mine! -- > but would avoid the problem of having to angle my shoes out to avoid > hitting the VERY wide chain stays.
I don't understand why a Rohloff hub should cause very wide chainstays; the chainline is only 52mm.
As for tensioning the chain repeatedly, are you aware that the chain on a Rohloff gearbox should be quite loose, about 10mm of vertical sag? Any tighter and you will see undue wear.
Furthermore, if you have standard Rohloff slide frame ends (two slots in which the bolts holding the actual axle hanger slides), those bolts holding the axle plate in the slots should be torqued up to 16Nm.
> >Now that you have some experience of the Rohloff, would you, if the > >opportunity offered, swap your derailleur-equipped touring bike for a > >Rohloff? Let's say with the intention of undertaking another of those > >Alpine tours that you posted photos of a while ago.
> >Anyone else is of course welcome to chime in. If you already have a > >Rohloff, say what sort of a bike it is in so we can grasp where you're > >coming from.
> I've got two of the things: one on my FS MTB and the other on my > quasi-road bike (a hardtail w/skinny tires).
> Looking it from the other side, if it were just me, I wouldn't > think of swapping out the Rohloff for a der.
> OTOH, if I had to tour in company and keep up with other riders - > and had at least some chance of doing so - I would have to > consider switching to a der system.
Yeah, that's where I start from too. To me a Rohloff is a go-anywhere and forget about it gearbox.
> Reason: although Rohloff's uniform 13.something percent between > gears is fine for me riding alone, I would probably need a more > variable-spaced range to keep up with others (closer spacing in > the top). > -- > PeteCresswell
Yeah, i hadn't considered nose-in-the-arse lines of roadies. But then I wasn't talking about them, or about the PBP, or audax riding, or any suchlike masochistic activities, but about sensible touring, anything from going to stay overnight with a nearby (30 or 40 miles) friend who doesn't care if your shirt niffs a bit to a self-supporting world tour. I'd give up that line-riding nonsense (if I indulged, which I don't) before I'd give up the Rohloff -- in fact, before I would give up hub gears (minimum useful config where I live is probably Shimano Nexus 7-speed, though I've only had the 8-speeds).
> >Now that you have some experience of the Rohloff, would you, if the > >opportunity offered, swap your derailleur-equipped touring bike for a > >Rohloff? Let's say with the intention of undertaking another of those > >Alpine tours that you posted photos of a while ago.
> >Anyone else is of course welcome to chime in. If you already have a > >Rohloff, say what sort of a bike it is in so we can grasp where you're > >coming from.
> I've got two of the things: one on my FS MTB and the other on my > quasi-road bike (a hardtail w/skinny tires).
> Looking it from the other side, if it were just me, I wouldn't > think of swapping out the Rohloff for a der.
> OTOH, if I had to tour in company and keep up with other riders - > and had at least some chance of doing so - I would have to > consider switching to a der system.
> Reason: although Rohloff's uniform 13.something percent between > gears is fine for me riding alone, I would probably need a more > variable-spaced range to keep up with others (closer spacing in > the top).
If you're maxxing out, they should slow down. Fit a bulb horn for when you're losing the wheel. Or you go to the front and set the pace early so as your companions know where you are at. I've used a bike with 14% gaps and it's just a matter of getting the others to modulate their speed a little to help. Ask to slow by 10 revs for five minutes if your topping out and can't manage the next gear.
My opinion? Nothing against Rohloff in particular, but the reason I am against it is the same as I am against any internally geared hub. Or Hyper-glitch, for that matter.
I like to be able to CHOOSE how my machine is geared. Range, shift pattern, and spacing of ratios.
enjoyed sparring with Sheldon on Rolloff. Being simple minded, 14 or 24 gears is enough challenge to meet effectively while enjoying the ride, dodging trucks, angry dogs bees, dog shit.... butbutbut serially folks, I have favorite gears for muh favorite type rides using AND WEARING those few gears. So what do yal rich folk do with a 1G gearbox wih 417 fresh gears and 3 worn out gears AND shafts ? INSANE !!! yet Rollo clams 125000 happy customers. DELIRIOUS !
On Nov 3, 6:59 am, datakoll <datak...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> enjoyed sparring with Sheldon on Rolloff. Being simple minded, 14 or > 24 gears is enough challenge to meet effectively while enjoying the > ride, dodging trucks, angry dogs bees, dog shit.... > butbutbut serially folks, I have favorite gears for muh favorite type > rides using AND WEARING those few gears. > So what do yal rich folk do with a 1G gearbox wih 417 fresh gears and > 3 worn out gears AND shafts ? > INSANE !!! yet Rollo clams 125000 happy customers. DELIRIOUS !
The rich folk I know buy the best and make it last a long time by looking after it well. A Rohloff IGH is known to last some unknown distance, but well over 100,000km; one manufacturer guarantees a Rohloff in his bikes will last 140,000km because that's what he has on his. As Chalo once said, a Rohloff is almost run in on the day you retire a Shimano Nexus and buy a new one.
Smart poor folk buy the best second hand, after some flash harry has absorbed the first big bite of depreciation; or they buy the best when it is replaced by a new model and drive a hard bargain because it is "obsolete; who do you think you'll sell it to if not me?"; that way they get the best at everyday prices. I never paid more than the price of a new Ford Granada for a near-new Bentley, and someone else had invested his time in shaking it down, taking it for the initial services and so on.
BTW, I use all the gears in my Rohloff box, which was not generally true of my Shimano manual boxes (by definition, I used all the gears in my Cyber Nexus full auto gruppo). Having shifted the gear range downwards by my choice of 38x16 gears to favour the hill in front of my house, I now wish for a bit more range to have another two or three gears on top for speeding down hills; the present 14th gear has turned out to be usable on the flat for short spurts, which is not what Herr Rohloff intends: he wants his owners to ride "normally" in 11th gear, the 1:1 ratio, and I'm more often in 12th or 13th.
On Nov 2, 4:14 am, dedendaddy4spamm...@webtv.net (It's Chris) wrote:
> My opinion? Nothing against Rohloff in particular, but the reason I am > against it is the same as I am against any internally geared hub. Or > Hyper-glitch, for that matter.
> I like to be able to CHOOSE how my machine is geared. Range, shift > pattern, and spacing of ratios.
That's exactly how I decided that the Shimano Nexus which I previously favoured wasn't good enough for the hill before my new house when I moved. Rohloff had the range, shift pattern and spacing of ratios that suited my changed circumstances.
Nothing to stop you shifting the Rohloff range up and down by your choice of chainwheel and sprocket, and you can do the same with any other hub gearbox. Nothing to stop you putting a double chainwheel up front and giving yourself 28 closely spaced ratios or extending the range by more simply fitting a two-speed Schlumpff bottom bracket with your Rohloff.
I dont get it, how are you supposed to hold the newspaper if you're constantly reselecting gears, in case you can go 0.1mph faster. Ah yes. digital speedo's. That's how we got from seven to "these go to eleven" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeOXsA8sp_E and more
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yeah i know - its obsessive and anal retentive. frankly, rollo owners are sick people.
maybe degenerative ? prob communicative. take a look around during your next tour. photo the rollo group, compare with other groups: ferrari, singer, frazer nash...large dog owners...
after assembling muh redone 10 speed (former 3 speed owner) I relished the power transfer. Using 7 and 8 speed clusters I found sweet spots into and downwind. great fun. sensual power transfer. there was a wind - we're onshore. lance imnot.
I guess that's where rollo illness begins just add money.
a plastic single speed ? sure, exactly one pole to the other. The lack of dissenters or critics for Rollo's potential mechanical failures is impressive. One cannot say the same for the Diablo. Rollo screws Nancy's mother right ? check out the student program in the gPS posting. BTW, I would never say that to Brown off course lest my garage catch fire.
> > On Oct 31, 5:48 pm, Andre Jute <fiult...@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> Yo, Lou:
> >> I realize 800km isn't a huge mileage on you Rohloff-equipped bike but > >> still...
> >> Now that you have some experience of the Rohloff, would you, if the > >> opportunity offered, swap your derailleur-equipped touring bike for a > >> Rohloff? Let's say with the intention of undertaking another of those > >> Alpine tours that you posted photos of a while ago.
> >> Anyone else is of course welcome to chime in. If you already have a > >> Rohloff, say what sort of a bike it is in so we can grasp where you're > >> coming from.
> >> *** > >> My own Rohloff is in a 29-er utility/commuter/loaded touring type of > >> bike, so I'm there already, except I don't tour, I speed down hills on > >> the small roads in my backyard. > >> http://www.audio-talk.co.uk/fiultra/Andre%20Jute's%20Utopia%20Kranich... > >> If I did tour, I would choose a Rohloff or, on an undemanding short > >> tour, even a Shimano Nexus 8 speed over derailleurs.
> > I recently had a custom titanium road bike built, specifically with > > the sliding OEM dropouts for a Rohloff. (Mainly because I'm leery of > > the new 10 & 11 speed stuff.) I find the gearing differences to be > > just about right. Still like to know why I have to tighten up the > > chain tension 1 - 3 times/week. (I thought there was LESS maintenance > > with these things?) Only thing I think I would have done different is > > had a "normal" frame built for it. I know it wouldn't have looked as > > neat -- no messy toque arm or cables sticking straight up on mine! -- > > but would avoid the problem of having to angle my shoes out to avoid > > hitting the VERY wide chain stays.
> If a custom frame built, why did you not choose for a eccentric BB; much > neater, no slipping and easier wheel removal. Why did a Rohllof hub made > your chainstays much wider?
> Lou
The builder said the eccentric BB would affect the fore/aft positioning, making it harder to get exact. The chainstays are wide because the the sliding dropout is inside them.
> > If a custom frame built, why did you not choose for a eccentric BB; much > > neater, no slipping and easier wheel removal. Why did a Rohllof hub made > > your chainstays much wider?
> The builder said the eccentric BB would affect the fore/aft > positioning, making it harder to get exact.
Inexact fore-aft BB positioning? Even under a stack of mattresses, that could really keep you up at night tossing and turning. If you're a _real_ princess, anyway.
Since I'm a commoner, I get by just fine with effective seat angles ranging from 60 to 73 degrees. I even get to have an eccentric adjusting BB on my Rohloff bike.
> On Nov 1, 2:16 am, Lou Holtman <lhollaatditmaar...@planet.nl> wrote:
> > anon a mouse schreef:
> > > On Oct 31, 5:48 pm, Andre Jute <fiult...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > >> Yo, Lou:
> > >> I realize 800km isn't a huge mileage on you Rohloff-equipped bike but > > >> still...
> > >> Now that you have some experience of the Rohloff, would you, if the > > >> opportunity offered, swap your derailleur-equipped touring bike for a > > >> Rohloff? Let's say with the intention of undertaking another of those > > >> Alpine tours that you posted photos of a while ago.
> > >> Anyone else is of course welcome to chime in. If you already have a > > >> Rohloff, say what sort of a bike it is in so we can grasp where you're > > >> coming from.
> > >> *** > > >> My own Rohloff is in a 29-er utility/commuter/loaded touring type of > > >> bike, so I'm there already, except I don't tour, I speed down hills on > > >> the small roads in my backyard. > > >> http://www.audio-talk.co.uk/fiultra/Andre%20Jute's%20Utopia%20Kranich... > > >> If I did tour, I would choose a Rohloff or, on an undemanding short > > >> tour, even a Shimano Nexus 8 speed over derailleurs.
> > > I recently had a custom titanium road bike built, specifically with > > > the sliding OEM dropouts for a Rohloff. (Mainly because I'm leery of > > > the new 10 & 11 speed stuff.) I find the gearing differences to be > > > just about right. Still like to know why I have to tighten up the > > > chain tension 1 - 3 times/week. (I thought there was LESS maintenance > > > with these things?) Only thing I think I would have done different is > > > had a "normal" frame built for it. I know it wouldn't have looked as > > > neat -- no messy toque arm or cables sticking straight up on mine! -- > > > but would avoid the problem of having to angle my shoes out to avoid > > > hitting the VERY wide chain stays.
> > If a custom frame built, why did you not choose for a eccentric BB; much > > neater, no slipping and easier wheel removal. Why did a Rohllof hub made > > your chainstays much wider?
> > Lou
> The builder said the eccentric BB would affect the fore/aft > positioning, making it harder to get exact. The chainstays are wide > because the the sliding dropout is inside them.- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven -
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I think you have been f*cked by your 'builder'. You spent good money for a custom build and you end up with something that doesn't work for you. ' Affect for/aft position' ? Yeah maybe in theory. In the real world I replace the chain after it has lengthened for about 4-6 mm. With a eccetric BB this means that your cranks move 2-3 mm. Nobody can notice that.
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