> thirty-six wrote:
> > On 7 Nov, 12:38, Marc <initial.surn...@btintenret.com> wrote:
> >> thirty-six wrote:
> >>> On 7 Nov, 07:31, James <james.an...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> On Nov 7, 10:40 am, James <james.an...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> On Nov 7, 8:25 am, real-not-anti-spam-addr...@apple-juice.co.uk (D.M.
> >>>>> Procida) wrote:
> >>>>>> Just zis Guy, you know? <guy.chap...@spamcop.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> The proof of the pudding is in the eating.  My wheels work better than
> >>>>>>>> normal construction.  I explain to the best of my abilities why.  I do
> >>>>>>>> not need to prove my explanation.  I, unlike you, spent much time
> >>>>>>>> questioning mechanics and researching historical documents to give
> >>>>>>>> clues as to why there are different experiences for apparently similar
> >>>>>>>> wheels.
> >>>>>>> Who says your wheels work better? You? Are you the most impartial
> >>>>>>> judge? To the extent that it exempts you from having to prove your
> >>>>>>> case other than by assertion?
> >>>>>> You seem to think that he owes you a proof.
> >>>>>> If I said I'd discovered some way of tying my shoelaces that was
> >>>>>> counter-intuitive, ran contrary to the accepted wisdom of
> >>>>>> shoelace-tying, and produced better results traditional methods, then
> >>>>>> I'd expect anyone else who's interested in shoelace tying to be curious
> >>>>>> and skeptical.
> >>>>> I am curious and sceptical, but also have a decent bullshit detector.
> >>>>> When people attempt to overturn established wisdom, they had better
> >>>>> have a decent story. Thirty-six doesn't (or to be pedantic, if he
> >>>>> does, he hasn't written it here).
> >>>> And I should have added that the topic of bicycle wheel-building has
> >>>> long been a flypaper for cranks with "theories".
> >>>> James
> >>> Upon some further searching, it appears that Rudge-Whitworth of
> >>> Coventry appears to have investigated the best ways to construct wire
> >>> wheels for bicycles, motor-cycles and horse carriages and motor -cars
> >>> including racing cars.
> >>>  According to Rudge's advert taken in the Times newspaper on Friday
> >>> November 8,1912 page 14 column A  the  Daimler Company reported a
> >>> mileage of 172,731 for 50 tyres on Rudge's wire wheels and 102,524
> >>> miles on wood wheels. It refers to 'Autocar' and letters from the
> >>> Daimler Company of July 8  and December 2 1911
> >> Yes, yes, and coal was tuppence a ton in 1870. Now that we have finished
> >> with the wavy sepia toned nostalgia bit can we get back to the point (
> >> of this part of the drifted thread) ?  Why are your wheels "better" and
> >> how can you show that they are?

> > Read this:

> > Society Of Arts.; Wheels And Their Manufacture.
> >   (News)
> >   The Times Apr 19, 1911; pg. 23; Issue 39563; Start column: E 1586
> > words.
> >   Elec. Coll.: CS387120275.

> > It explains that the efficient Rudge tension wheels, by far the
> > largest manufacturer, and record holders, are constructed for ease of
> > running etc. as I have described in my own wheels.   Rudge linearage
> > is from Covenrtry machinist company with the Starley Aeriel wheel to
> > Raleigh bicycles (originally with dunlop then weinmann and their own
> > (sun)rims) and now Sun (ringko?) rims in USA.  Rudge probably made the
> > greatest investigation into the use of pnuematic tyres running on wire
> > spoked metal rims.  It is likely a little research into Coventry
> > archives on the Rudge-Whitworth research laboratories will provide
> > extensive documentation upon the testing of the wheels they built for
> > bicycle and motor vehicle for efficiency of draw, shock absorption and
> > tire life.  It as likely, probably wont satisfy your demands.  I'm
> > afraid I cant hold the spoon for you.

> I read the article, a newspaper report of paper presented by Mr Henry L
> Heathcote. It was intersting in mentioning hubs of different sizes
> internally and externally , different Nos of spokes inside and outside
> and moving the holes in the rim to the edge rather than to the middle.I
> also found intersting the idea of drilling the holes in the hub at an
> angle to reduce the stress on the spoke , rather than bending it through
>   90 degrees. Nowhere in the article does it mention you or how
> wonderful your wheels are going to be. If you thought that you could try
> and pretend that you had some sort of authority by posting a reference
> to a  98 yr old newspaper article (which just happened to share a page
> with an advert that promoted Rudge-Whitworth wheels)  that  that you
> hoped no-one would have access to, it might be a good idea if you
> reconsidered your tactics, don't try to kid a kidder!